If only there were windows in the control tower. In 25 years I have never cleared an aircraft for TO during VFR conditions with watching the aircraft roll down the runway.
@@JonathanRockway I know it is a joke but we have 2 vintage C172s with a classical gyro and an Orange knob. Great if u Set it correctly and align the compass. We have another one with a garmin g5. The knob is much more difficult to see. I really prefer the old fashioned Instrument. And if you Set the knob right you really can fly the pattern with it.
The FAA's rules for flight instructors contribute to incidents like this. The majority of civilian flight instructors are kids in their late teens to early 20's who are just trying to log hours so that they can go work for a passenger airline. For most of them, their investment in becoming a top-notch flight instructor is non-existent. The FAA knows this, yet still allows this.
Yes and contributing to that is the flight school problem of low time instructors teaching new instructors. It’s like making a copy of a copy of a copy. None of them have any experience doing anything but following the syllabus at airports that are almost always VFR.
Part of my take-off checklist is to make sure the heading indicator aligns with the runway I am about to depart from., especially when making an intersection departure like this.
He departed the wrong direction. Okay. Then the controller continues to berate him. Take corrective action, but then stop. This is painful over-reaction by the controller. Once everyone was safe and separated, move on.
There's probably a greater chance of accidentes with instructors in the cockpit due to 1) a trainee at the controls, 2) an instructor who has to divide his focus between being the PIC/flying the plane and training, and 3) added pressure from having a trainer watching over your back. I know that as we develop as pilots, we eventually come to understand that trainers are there for our own benefit and that this stress from training is unecessary and unhelpful, but I think a lot of people experience that, at least initially.
I honestly wouldn’t classify this as a mistake. It was a complete lack of orientation and/or situational awareness. I do agree that he could have been talking too much to his student and not checking big picture things.
@@adrianhenle I guess a complete lack of situational awareness could also creep into the mistake category pretty easily. Thanks for splitting that hair for me.
During my PPL training I took off rw 06 when a plane announced base for 06. Unfortunately he was base for 24. We were 100metres apart. Quite scary. These things should not but do happen.
@@NjorunsZeal Sometimes pattern entry really is that simple, think it through. North of the field, landing runway 8, left pattern ... you don't need to do that complicated crossing midfield, it's a simple right 45 entry!
@@NjorunsZeal dont worrry too much though. The airspace is big. Even in such a case, the risk is still relatively low. Having several planes in the pattern in the same direction is scary as it is.
I watched a C172 do an intersection departure on Rwy 09 while there was an ultralight on base for Rwy 27, about to turn final. I advised the instructor on board that 27 was currently in use with traffic in the circuit. He came back with "Yeah, we don't want to deal with the tailwind...". Wind was out of the east at 1 measly knot. The sock was barely even moving. 🤯
As the plane of interest is taking off there's also N623FT backtaxiing in the wrong direction as well. Graphics error or something in the water in Melborne?!
Isn't there supposed to be a cross check of the runway heading with the heading indicator, before takeoff? It's super easy to do, and could have prevented this deviation. I remember a crash that could have been avoided if this had been done, so I think it's a recent procedure.
WOW! Shocked ATC didn’t scold him harder. This was my home base when I owned a Mooney. This ATC guy is well known for scolding and sarcasm; he must’ve been very busy this day.
@@bosshog8844 Given the comment is saying that the ATC guy is well known for scolding, I'm pretty sure love2fly isn't saying that he *should* have scolded more, just that it's unusual that he didn't get more mad about it.
@@Jimmietwotimes Yea the takeoff part is confusing. I believe what happened Is runway 27L only runs to the west, left on screen. Runway 9R runs only to the east, right on screen If he turned left he would be on 27L Turning right put him on 9R. Looking at the diagram @ 0:50 makes it look like 27L is the right half of the runway and 9R is the left half of the runway.
Any runway has two numerical designations. These designations are based on the compass heading if you were to take off/land from the directions of the runway. They are always 18 apart as that indicates 180 degrees. In this case the runway is 9R (90 degrees) and 27L (270 degrees). Taking off from this video's left to right, you are using runway 9R. Taking off right to left, you are using runway 27L (The R and L indicate right and left when there are parallel runways). This pilot was cleared for 27L meaning he needed to be going right to left. He instead took off left to right which puts him leaving on runway 9R. This is the pilot deviation the controller was referring to. This is highly important because aircraft take off and land going the same direction. This pilot took off into oncoming landing aircraft. Very very dangerous.
It's not that it was the wrong runway, it's that it was the wrong direction. From the video point of view he should have took off left so that the other plane could land right after the took off. Instead he had to direct the other aircraft to make a turn to avoid a potential head on.
Wow!!! That WAS the instructor, and he deviated twice from tower instructions. He should have his license to teach revoked, and perhaps his pilot license as well, and be forced back into training by someone who actually knows what they're doing.
Even if it is, how is this tower’s fault? His attention is divided between 2 aircraft on the ground that are on opposite sides of the tower for him and at least 2 more in the air. He should expect at the very least pilots to know the difference between East and west.
@@Darthvader-oc5tp I retired from controlling after 4 years military, 5 years private and 20 years federal service . I worked in small, medium and large facilities. This was not a difficult situation. Yes a more complicated situation but not that difficult to over come. Private facilities tend to understaff and these facilities tend to be low in operations. When the picture starts to overcome you, you stablize it. If it may require you to stop a bird, 360 it, speed control, whatever you stay in control. Towers are 360 degree glass. We have necks to rotate our heads, feet to move freely in the tower to get the best look. My experience with private facilities was poor management and training. It was sad to see the Federal government make so many go private to save money because with that went quality. The Federal system is now 3,000 understafed. With the 80% washout rate that means they have to train 15,000 new people to get those 3,000. That will take years. The job is highly technical, requires a good memory, mental strategy skills like chess and bridge. Iin general I found HS grads better trainees than college grads because they were less structured in their thinking, more flexable and creative. Having military traing a definite plus and if possible some pilot training. It is called Air Traffic Control with emphasis on CONTROL
I thought Bucky# was the 115th’s callsigns. I guess KMLB is far enough from Wisconsin that it doesn’t matter. The CFI hours grind exists as a way to prove that you can fly with student pilots for over 1000 hours and keep your life & certificates in tact. It is a sign that you have the focus to do this. This fella set himself back a thousand hours with this blunder, which is a very serious mistake unlike some of the way overhyped “close calls” lately (the Portland “closed runway” encounter comes to mind).
@@prussiaaero1802 It's actually not crazy that the instructor thought he should achieve 1500' before crossing over the runway, if he was paying attention then he knew LFA529 was doing a low approach, so he wanted to maintain that separation.
So buckley xall sign had right of way as they were on final approach the instructor was cery cocky full of himself i dont think hes good example to dtudents its not driving on roads if youve planned to take iff on 27L or whatever do that until told otherwise
@@pesto12601 You should. The FAA has zero tolerance for many things. Ever diagnosed with depression? Ever have any mental condition diagnosed ever, no matter how minute or ubiquitous it is? Kiss your pilots license goodbye. They should be consistent. Only the most perfect people who have never slipped up should be allowed a pilots license. Anything short of perfection should be kicked, at least according to how the FAA handles those instances.
@@Enoughdata Sorry... tons of folks have issues and if the FAA didn't tolerate some things, there were be a TRUE pilot shortage... you think flights are expensive now?? Wait until there are even fewer pilots and you might as well forget travel! Reality of the world.. can be applied to lots of fields. Glad I don't work for you!! 🙂
@@pesto12601 I'm speaking as someone who wanted to become a pilot dude. Got rejected because of an ADHD diagnosis when I was 6, even though I hadn't taken any meds nor had any treatment for ADHD since I was 11. They rejected me for not having a perfect medical record, so I think it's only fair they do the same for people who actually pose a danger in aviation.
@@pesto12601 I'm speaking as someone who was rejected for being diagnosed with ADHD when I was 6 even though I stopped taking the meds when I was 11. Doesn't sound right to reject people who had no issues in school or other areas, yet keep giving chances to people who actually messed up and created a dangerous situation.
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"I am the instructor." Lmao, what a disaster.
Should have said “yes instructor on board”
Well, there are always careers available at Home Depot....
🤣
@@Flies2FLLthats the power of home depot
"I am the Danger!" - Heisenberg
If only there were two instruments in the cockpit that showed the number of the runway you're lined up for.
There are
@@kenclark9888 I think he was sarcastic.
@@kenclark9888 ... dude ...
If only there were windows in the control tower. In 25 years I have never cleared an aircraft for TO during VFR conditions with watching the aircraft roll down the runway.
@@JonathanRockway I know it is a joke but we have 2 vintage C172s with a classical gyro and an Orange knob. Great if u Set it correctly and align the compass. We have another one with a garmin g5. The knob is much more difficult to see. I really prefer the old fashioned Instrument. And if you Set the knob right you really can fly the pattern with it.
I will give 51G credit for not arguing. And you can hear the “oh shit I dun fucked up” in his voice.
I don't know that he did realise all the things he F'd up. "You done messed up A-A-Ron" (know where that's from?)
The FAA's rules for flight instructors contribute to incidents like this. The majority of civilian flight instructors are kids in their late teens to early 20's who are just trying to log hours so that they can go work for a passenger airline. For most of them, their investment in becoming a top-notch flight instructor is non-existent. The FAA knows this, yet still allows this.
Yes and contributing to that is the flight school problem of low time instructors teaching new instructors. It’s like making a copy of a copy of a copy. None of them have any experience doing anything but following the syllabus at airports that are almost always VFR.
“Yes I am the instructor!”😂😂
😂
🤦♀️🤣
Runway identified? No, let’s go anyway.
😂
"I am the instructor".
Part of my take-off checklist is to make sure the heading indicator aligns with the runway I am about to depart from., especially when making an intersection departure like this.
That is part of primary training, has been for decades.
„Heading compared with runway XY“ always the first thing I say when I‘m lined up. Don‘t care if it‘s busy.
He departed the wrong direction. Okay.
Then the controller continues to berate him. Take corrective action, but then stop. This is painful over-reaction by the controller. Once everyone was safe and separated, move on.
When the instructor needs an instructor.
😂
Its the equivalent of an adult screaming "I need an adult." but for planes. xD
You ever turned the wrong way at an intersection? I bet you have.
Building hours while clueless.
Instructor or not, mistakes everybody makes them. Looking at some of the big aviation disasters, some happened with instructors in the cockpit
There's probably a greater chance of accidentes with instructors in the cockpit due to 1) a trainee at the controls, 2) an instructor who has to divide his focus between being the PIC/flying the plane and training, and 3) added pressure from having a trainer watching over your back. I know that as we develop as pilots, we eventually come to understand that trainers are there for our own benefit and that this stress from training is unecessary and unhelpful, but I think a lot of people experience that, at least initially.
I honestly wouldn’t classify this as a mistake. It was a complete lack of orientation and/or situational awareness. I do agree that he could have been talking too much to his student and not checking big picture things.
@@flyfishizationjones4940 ...how is it not a "mistake" to fail at identifying the correct runway?
@@adrianhenle I guess a complete lack of situational awareness could also creep into the mistake category pretty easily. Thanks for splitting that hair for me.
He said oh yeah give me a call 😂😂
During my PPL training I took off rw 06 when a plane announced base for 06. Unfortunately he was base for 24. We were 100metres apart. Quite scary.
These things should not but do happen.
Plz I have a lesson in traffic patterns soon and this is literally my worst nightmare 😭
@@NjorunsZeal Sometimes pattern entry really is that simple, think it through. North of the field, landing runway 8, left pattern ... you don't need to do that complicated crossing midfield, it's a simple right 45 entry!
@@NjorunsZeal dont worrry too much though. The airspace is big. Even in such a case, the risk is still relatively low. Having several planes in the pattern in the same direction is scary as it is.
I watched a C172 do an intersection departure on Rwy 09 while there was an ultralight on base for Rwy 27, about to turn final. I advised the instructor on board that 27 was currently in use with traffic in the circuit. He came back with "Yeah, we don't want to deal with the tailwind...". Wind was out of the east at 1 measly knot. The sock was barely even moving. 🤯
I am the instructor!!!!🤡🤡🤡 Monthy Python’ Flying Circuss School 😂😂😂
"I am the Danger!" - Heisenberg
I half expected him to ask the tower for the number preemptively.
Freaking great....im HOOKED ON LISTENING TO THESE..
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The tone shift when he realized he was talking to the instructor xD
I feel bad for that instructor. Hopefully he learns from this event.
Back taxi full then clear for takeoff. What part of that is hard to understand? Also are mid-field down wind takeoffs normal?
At first I was convinced it was a solo student, but then fell off my chair when I heard otherwise😮😂!!
I'm surprised he didn't come back with, "I took off on RWY 9. I flew right over the number!! Duh."
As the plane of interest is taking off there's also N623FT backtaxiing in the wrong direction as well. Graphics error or something in the water in Melborne?!
N623FT has landed on runway 23 and is instructed to turn in the opposite direction and took off again from runway 23.
Isn't there supposed to be a cross check of the runway heading with the heading indicator, before takeoff?
It's super easy to do, and could have prevented this deviation.
I remember a crash that could have been avoided if this had been done, so I think it's a recent procedure.
WOW! Shocked ATC didn’t scold him harder. This was my home base when I owned a Mooney. This ATC guy is well known for scolding and sarcasm; he must’ve been very busy this day.
Does that behavior help or hurt flying safely? There's a time and place for everything. On the radio during flight is not it.
@@bosshog8844 Given the comment is saying that the ATC guy is well known for scolding, I'm pretty sure love2fly isn't saying that he *should* have scolded more, just that it's unusual that he didn't get more mad about it.
@@AbstractJJJ fair enough
CFI..."you're fired!!" 😁
i am glad i dont need him as my instructor.. i sure hope they suspend his CFI certificate.
This is every day at KVCB
How is it the tower did not see him take off the wrong way, and try stop it?
Split attention most likely.
Talking to, and looking at, the aircraft departing runway 23?
I don't understand, I see a 27L right there at 0:51, it looks like he took off 27L as instructed? I know nothing about airports though so
I saw the same thing. It appeared to me that the tower was in the wrong. I likewise no nothing about airports.
@@Jimmietwotimes Yea the takeoff part is confusing. I believe what happened Is runway 27L only runs to the west, left on screen. Runway 9R runs only to the east, right on screen If he turned left he would be on 27L Turning right put him on 9R.
Looking at the diagram @ 0:50 makes it look like 27L is the right half of the runway and 9R is the left half of the runway.
Any runway has two numerical designations. These designations are based on the compass heading if you were to take off/land from the directions of the runway. They are always 18 apart as that indicates 180 degrees. In this case the runway is 9R (90 degrees) and 27L (270 degrees). Taking off from this video's left to right, you are using runway 9R. Taking off right to left, you are using runway 27L (The R and L indicate right and left when there are parallel runways). This pilot was cleared for 27L meaning he needed to be going right to left. He instead took off left to right which puts him leaving on runway 9R. This is the pilot deviation the controller was referring to. This is highly important because aircraft take off and land going the same direction. This pilot took off into oncoming landing aircraft. Very very dangerous.
@@sweetfancymoses2942 Isn't that what I said? Just in fewer words?
@@FindtheShrooms Yes, but his explanation was easier for me to grasp.
The student took off and the instructor wasn’t checking right? That’s two different voices on comms from 51G
Lmaooo way to instruct buddy lol
I'm not a pilot and don't know shit. But at 0:45 they tell him to take off from 27L, and the video shows it labeled as 27L.
It's not that it was the wrong runway, it's that it was the wrong direction. From the video point of view he should have took off left so that the other plane could land right after the took off. Instead he had to direct the other aircraft to make a turn to avoid a potential head on.
Oh boy. Someone needs a few days off.
and a lot of retraining
Intersection takeoffs can cause this.
Irresponsibly overconfident
That's ok, United will hire them.
He didn't sound like a minority or a woman, though.
That wrong way Corragon sounds like the Comcast Xfinity person I tried to see why they took 2 channels from me, with no explanation.
Wow!!! That WAS the instructor, and he deviated twice from tower instructions. He should have his license to teach revoked, and perhaps his pilot license as well, and be forced back into training by someone who actually knows what they're doing.
What was the controller doing during the TO roll. Look out the window, that is your job!
Concentrating on vectoring the Piper 28 to the right place.
I'm not going to bother saying anything, because Y'all have pretty much covered what I would. Killjoys.
Another contract tower.
Even if it is, how is this tower’s fault? His attention is divided between 2 aircraft on the ground that are on opposite sides of the tower for him and at least 2 more in the air. He should expect at the very least pilots to know the difference between East and west.
@@Darthvader-oc5tp I retired from controlling after 4 years military, 5 years private and 20 years federal service . I worked in small, medium and large facilities. This was not a difficult situation. Yes a more complicated situation but not that difficult to over come. Private facilities tend to understaff and these facilities tend to be low in operations. When the picture starts to overcome you, you stablize it. If it may require you to stop a bird, 360 it, speed control, whatever you stay in control. Towers are 360 degree glass. We have necks to rotate our heads, feet to move freely in the tower to get the best look. My experience with private facilities was poor management and training. It was sad to see the Federal government make so many go private to save money because with that went quality. The Federal system is now 3,000 understafed. With the 80% washout rate that means they have to train 15,000 new people to get those 3,000. That will take years. The job is highly technical, requires a good memory, mental strategy skills like chess and bridge. Iin general I found HS grads better trainees than college grads because they were less structured in their thinking, more flexable and creative. Having military traing a definite plus and if possible some pilot training. It is called Air Traffic Control with emphasis on CONTROL
I thought Bucky# was the 115th’s callsigns. I guess KMLB is far enough from Wisconsin that it doesn’t matter.
The CFI hours grind exists as a way to prove that you can fly with student pilots for over 1000 hours and keep your life & certificates in tact. It is a sign that you have the focus to do this. This fella set himself back a thousand hours with this blunder, which is a very serious mistake unlike some of the way overhyped “close calls” lately (the Portland “closed runway” encounter comes to mind).
How can this possible?)
51G, knows it.
Shit happens!
That’s how controllers have to say it.
@2:04 continue left turn to the south. Never accomplished. Then again later! Three times telling him go south WTF???
@@prussiaaero1802 It's actually not crazy that the instructor thought he should achieve 1500' before crossing over the runway, if he was paying attention then he knew LFA529 was doing a low approach, so he wanted to maintain that separation.
So buckley xall sign had right of way as they were on final approach the instructor was cery cocky full of himself i dont think hes good example to dtudents its not driving on roads if youve planned to take iff on 27L or whatever do that until told otherwise
I think you’ve got it all wrong. I think the instructor made a terrible mistake and then owned it.
I bet he lost his instructor job over this one...
You'd lose that bet... if we fired everyone over simple mistakes... geesh!
@@pesto12601 You should. The FAA has zero tolerance for many things. Ever diagnosed with depression? Ever have any mental condition diagnosed ever, no matter how minute or ubiquitous it is? Kiss your pilots license goodbye. They should be consistent. Only the most perfect people who have never slipped up should be allowed a pilots license. Anything short of perfection should be kicked, at least according to how the FAA handles those instances.
@@Enoughdata Sorry... tons of folks have issues and if the FAA didn't tolerate some things, there were be a TRUE pilot shortage... you think flights are expensive now?? Wait until there are even fewer pilots and you might as well forget travel! Reality of the world.. can be applied to lots of fields. Glad I don't work for you!! 🙂
@@pesto12601 I'm speaking as someone who wanted to become a pilot dude. Got rejected because of an ADHD diagnosis when I was 6, even though I hadn't taken any meds nor had any treatment for ADHD since I was 11. They rejected me for not having a perfect medical record, so I think it's only fair they do the same for people who actually pose a danger in aviation.
@@pesto12601 I'm speaking as someone who was rejected for being diagnosed with ADHD when I was 6 even though I stopped taking the meds when I was 11. Doesn't sound right to reject people who had no issues in school or other areas, yet keep giving chances to people who actually messed up and created a dangerous situation.
Notice a trend, here? Most of these incidents involve either female and / or minority pilots. This is getting absolutely out of control.
The one who screwed this up is neither a female nor a minority. You're just a racist and a misogynist
You got better eyes than me if you can hear skin color. Bless your heart!
Yeah, uhhhh what? I don't hear any identifible accent except maybe some kinda American accent. Like??