We Discover Lost Caverns of Ixalan | MTGGoldfish Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- The crew breaks down a ton of new Lost Caverns of Ixalan spoilers!
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Mark Rosewater might make the world, but Papa Hasbro holds the cards.
Regarding the Rosewater comments, nothing a company spokesperson says should ever be taken as a commitment to anything.
And what is MaRo but a WOTC/Hasbro company sock puppet?
True, if it was a commitment, they would have never produced MHx sets because Maro said it would be permanently transformative of the Modern format to print sets directly for Modern and that they were against it. But after constantly nagging and complaining about it from the players they relented and gave us what we demanded.
Quintorius fits in the pia nalaar deck and can hit as high as showdown of the scalds. Triggers it's own ability and the other exile matters cards. It's a bit expensive as a top end in that deck but I at least see a couple being tested and having potential.
Doesn't the Gods flipping just mean you can play more of them in your deck without worrying about legend ruling them?
Quintorius looks great as long as it can be played in a deck with a lot of solid permanents. It seems strong in Pia, Planeswalkers, Midrange, and go big burn.
It can make rwx control good. Discover can be played with counter spells bc it can draw them 28:25
contrary to everyone else, i do think that Discover is actually "fixed" cascade, yes the effect itself is actually better, but in place of that, its no longer a cast trigger, it can be countered etc
Can confirm, tokens are NOT cards in the rules of magic. Definitely learned that the hard way when i built a sefris (the esper venture commander) with a bunch of tokens.
At this point, even if I am not the biggest fan of masters sets. I hope for a universes within masters or so, that brings a bunch of universes within version's of stuff like the one ring, out of the tombs, everybody lives, legolas quick reflexes etc... I think that would be like at least 4 years from now, but would sell pretty well, since they push the powerlevel so hard on universes beyond and a masters set will be needed for reprints. Yeah my hope to get in magic version's of that stuff 😅
I can't believe how right Seth always is. Also the blue god is a quatl, so technically not a snake, but more like a rainbow serpent dragon thing. But also Seth is super right and Quintorius is awesome.
...coatl literally means serpent in nahuatl
Aclazotz is also the only god that doesn't have Ojer as part of its name. I think Aclazotz is an interloper of some sort. Which is why he also has a second creature type and isn't purely just a god. That's my assumption/theory
Aclazotz attempted and is now attempting again to snuff out the inner sun of Ixalan, Chimil. He created the vampires on Ixalan, and now that he's freed he's giving them demonic powers. Note how there are a few vampire demons in the set, and the vampire precon commander explicitly turns vampires into demons. And to be clear he's not the only god with a second creature type. The Ancient One previewed yesterday is a Spirit God. The Ojer are the gods of the Oltec, Aclozotz is the god of Dusk Legion, and The Ancient One isn't mentioned in the story so who fuckin' knows
I think you're right. It seems like the lore is set up to imply that the Bat God betrayed the Oltec who live in the hollow earth city and enslaves their spirits after death.
Furthermore, there's Vito, Fanatic of Aclaztoz who is part of the invading vampires of the Dusk Rose. Possibly, Aclaztoz compelled the vampires to come or otherwise is associated with them. Cosmologically, the invading vampires fits with the interloper bat god in the pantheon
I’m with Seth, I think quintorius will be great! I think you can twist the pia deck into a more midrange shell and it’ll do work
Love the new animations and camera set up 🙌🏻
I think its important to remember that Brass' Tunnel-Grinder is an artifact, which is important for Bargain. The fact that it's card filtering AND fuel for Beseech the Mirror the next turn makes it better than it appears on its face. It also perfectly enables the 5 mana mass reanimate spell from WOE which is also pretty interesting.
Beseech sucks though it's literally card disadvantage
Don't forget that Brass' Tunnel Grinder is a permanent as well. A wheel on a permanent is good, especially one that can be Sun Titan'd or Cosmic Rebirthed or whatever format you're playing. I can see this card being very good in historic personally.
Also, descended also says "permanent from ANYWHERE" So if you discard a permanent to its ability, it triggers that first turn you have it in play. So it flips probably on turn 5 or 6. Which is probably good enough.
I think Dowsing Device is a sleeper! Even more so with all of the incidental artifact creation in Standard!
Other strong cards from 3nnistraad were Brutal Cathar, Thalia, Hopeful-Training-Guy, Jadar, Champion of the Perished, Lier, Hullbreak...pretty strong pair of sets.
I love seeing Crim's cute as heck puppy in the background.
This entire podcast seems to be Seth asking "Is this broken? I think it's broken!" And everyone else is just like. "Nah, it's fine."
I'm really glad to hear people aren't going insane about these cards. Not to say they aren't powerful or fun, I'm just really tired of seeing hype on every card that gets spoiled.
Cant the same sort of logic used for his changing minds on Universes beyond also be used to dismantle the reserved list??? That was way earlier than 2011 too.
Something important to remember is this is Hasbro, creators of Monopoly. They have a very long history of borrowing other IPs to sell their products
Monopoly was created by Lizzie Magie in the early 1900s to demonstrate the inherent unfairness and toxicity of monopolies specifically how rents enrich property owners and impoverish tenants. It was picked up by Parker Brothers at the time, who was later bought out by General Mills and then Hasbro. But you are right. Hasbro buy up successful companies and then strip them of all value until the brand is dead and move on to the next one.
They can't actually keep going with random IPs forever unless they own them. If the temporary licensing makes them a ton of money the companies who see that will probably also charge more next time IF there's a next time... do we really think they're gonna top marvel easily? I could see harry potter or something which comes with controversy attached but there's not much that even gets close to marvel and this is NOT a marvel game.
I think WotC would be absolute fools to not continue to maintain the in-world stuff that makes magic magic. If they're not gonna do that then Hasbro needs to find a way to get long term contracts with these other IPs or they'll absolutely run out of content and burn the candle way too fast ending up with short term money and long term damage only.
Haven’t felt this happy about how a set was turning out since Neon Kamigawa.
Now I’m just worried that the sins of sets that are living far longer than they should are gonna overshadow it instead of doing the hope for thing of providing support. This whole new world of standard is gonna be quite the headache to see fully play out.
They probably didnt want to offend people by calling it a snake. Because its not in Mayan mythology
it literally is. It's Kukulkan, the feathered SERPENT@@zurran00
I could see the Bedrock Tortoise being very strong in Historic when you make it the ringbearer.
Tokens are not cards, they are only represented on "cards" for ease of use. Think of them like counters in a way, they effect cards but are not cards themselves.
The Mycotyrant is going to work well with the Golgari Midrange deck. You are milling with Blossoming Tortoise, Teachings of the Kirin and Old Rustein.
The bat god isn't an Ojer. The Ojer are Gods without types
For the Butts deck, can't forget about the trick from SNC, Refuse to Yield. Gives a creature +2/+7 at instant speed.
quintorius might find a home in the standard alara cascade lists you can cascade 4 into the 7mana adventure that mills 7 and then reanimates a creature
No you can't because Quintorious is discover 4 and the card you mentioned is 7 mana.
@@rossbalchyes you can because it's an adventure so it's only two mana and when you cast it you can choose to cast the adventure instead
@@benjaminwalker9369 incorrect. That's not how either Cascade and now Discover works.
Also the blue god reminds me of god ethernal kefnet which was slightly played in standard if i remember correctly
The 4 mana 6/6 is definitely not great, but with loamspeaker a 1/3 and the phyrexian card a 0/3 and with things like royal treatment, safekeeping and audacity I wonder if there's a mono green beatdown or something. Probably not, you're probably better just ramping into titan or something
No matter how big Universes Beyond gets, they will always make their own sets.
Discover as a mechanic really soils my love for this set. I'm so sick of cascade and polymorph effects. Can we just pay mana for our cards Wizards? These used to be cute and unique effects, but at this point it's just gotten obnoxious.
I have no idea if Quintorius will be good in competitive formats, but any card that might make Bell Borca suck slightly less in Commander is okay by me.
Seth made a good point with the gods. Why is the black one a “bat” god and the others are just generic. I was thinking the same thing. But that happened in war of the spark too, ilharg was a “boar” god and the others were just generic
The point isn’t to “gotcha” MaRo, it’s to highlight that our concerns that have been dismissed out of hand by WotC *and MaRo* were shared by MaRo just a few years ago.
I hate UB with a burning passion, but MARO isn't responsible for the choices made at the tip top.
My brain words
Tokens don't help Decend. Leslie of the Void cares about cards trying to go to the graveyard. In the ruling, it says nontokens won't die, but tokens do.
This is because tokens aren't cards.
21:40 I love that it's damage and not loses 4 life. OBOSH SYNERGY
Richard accidentally makes the best argument for getting rid of the RL.
They didn't put anything in paper and just made a statement.. do what's the difference with this
Hear me out, with glimpse the core being a thing. How about the next time we get a commander master draft kind of set we give each color a 2 mana spell that gives them a basic of their type? Maybe even a 3 mana variant that gives access to shard or wedge colors? As an example, i dont think 2+blue search for a basic plains/island/swamp to put into play tapped is too much, especially considering most people are "too good" to play 3 mana rocks nowdays.
Just to be clear, do NOT do this in a standard playable set.
I can't tell how big of a difference this is, but the main thing between Cascade and discover is that Cascade is on cast whereas discover needs the spell or ability to resolve in order to get the trigger.
Why is souls toughness *+1 but lhurgoyf is 1+*?
That’s how they make business decisions, the higher ups all play commander and the winner’s decision gets implemented
Oh man I can't wait to put the bat god in my Tiny bones deck!
Wow, they finally power crept Ichneumon Druid into a playable control hate card with Scytheclaw Raptor.
maybe run a bit of blitz with all these descended decks in commander
Isn't Ixalan supposed to be a Typal plane? There really isn't any typal support.
you mean tribal
This set is not tribe focused, for that they made the precons
The first Ixalan set was tribal focused. But that doesn't mean every set on the plane has to be that way.
@@helloyou5549No I don't. Maybe if you got out of your basement and touched grass you would know. Be sure to let mom know you're going outside though.
@@rossbalchRight, because every Ravnica set isn't guild focused, and every Zendikar has landfall and every innistrad has to have vampire and werewolf support and... oh wait, planes do actually tend to be held to certain mechanics/standards... weird.
So the boros planeswalker is bad but the gods are good and you have to work to make it work???? I dont get it😅
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I'm gonna cram Quintorius into Nahiri
Quintorius Discover 4 might be too good at the current sets available in Arena.😅 a deck dedicated to library manipulation might be able to set it up so they can cast anything between Beseech the Mirror, Sheoldred, The One Ring, and all the 4cmc sweepers and Planeswalkers 😂😂
Would it make sense to use that plainswalker to discover into beseech the miror, or is that not even good?
Probably too slow for any format that could run that combo. That one extra mana makes a world of difference in older formats and pioneer doesn't have the ramp
Title says 557. might want to fix that
Question for the community. We all know that Lord of the Tings was the biggest selling set in history. Would it have sold as well without the 1 of 1 serialized One Ring and the serialized Sol Rings?
So WOTC has to do that for every set to get it to sell or they are market flops. Serialized cards will become what full art cards have become, worthless.
Yes the comments were 10+ years ago, yes companies and opinions change, but these types of comments contribute to consumer confidence and players opinion of the brand at large.
UB waters down MTG IP for the sake of making a profit, and people who want MTG IP to succeed on its own merits are at odds with WOTC/Hasbro’s need to maximize profit. Hasbro has changed MTG from Magic to Monopoly, they shelled out for the game system with the sole intent to use it as a substrate to paste other IP onto. Monopoly is one of the most ubiquitous, well known, and highest played board games in the entire world… but nobody gives a shit about the lore of Racecar/Top Hat or the backlash of changing Boardwalk into some other title. Magic had 25+ years of people investing in and caring about MTG itself, not only the game system but all the pieces and backstory associated to them.
Hey, what kind of headphones are you rocking, Crim? You like 'em? Comfy? Sound good? They look sweet!!
50:34 is it weird? Or is it just game design? Lol
Would you rather have all these graveyard synergy cards in a meta with very little graveyard hate? Its not weird lol its called balance.
a huge part of the gy hate was supposed to rotate. Gy traspasser and lantern being the biggest examples
Imo there is no way wotc will leave in world totally. In world has long term sustainability. What happens when you use all the other existing ips? No more to use that are popular enough. So no way they leave In universe totally
When they run out of popular IP's then they can make cards with images of the content creators of MtG. Ooh ooh after that they can sell card feature spots to the players who play the game. Who wouldn't buy a booster box chasing a mythic rare of themselves? Man I can't wait to pull and play a Seth card or pull a Raul Suarez from Midland, TX 🙄
30:55 “where the build around”
-also players when a card has downsides/doesn’t have 5 modal options.
“Why would I play this card and not the better option available? Stupid wotc making bad cards on purpose, I don’t wanna play weak cards! Shit set.”
I’m not saying it’s the players fault. Im just saying everyone wants their cake and not get diabetes.
Bedrock Tortoise doesn't work with fight spells.
Discover is worse than cascade for one big reason: cascade is a trigger on cast, not an effect on resolution. This means you can counter or interact with discover when you simply cannot with cascade
I think the gods can be secret ramp
Overall I really like universes beyond it gives the awesomeness and uniqueness to other worlds to be put into a card game and having a chance of being enjoyed by fans and even people that know nothing about it. I think my main problem is it gets weird when you start seeing outside of commander. Maybe a new format for paper with UB in mind could help this and not putting it in modern. Overall I think it's generally a good thing as long as it's not overdone.
"Culture Clash" or something like it as a separate UB game that uses MTG rules would be a lot better I think yeah. There, unsummoning Luke Skywalker with Doctor Strange's etb trigger would be the intended experience, and not feel as alien as Boromir countering your evoked Solitude which is very jaring in MtG.
I agree that we shouldn't give Mark too much flak but at the same time you're not giving him enough. It wasn't that long ago let's be real so his word/opinion has been weakened by that turn of event. I don't think his opinion truly holds weight anymore, it's clear corporate is behind him and validating what he says. Imo you're being naive if you think he "doesn't have to do it, he's doing it out of the kindness of his heart". It might have been true in the past, but it is a marketing / public relation tool among others now.
Also WotC (not him personnally) definitely sold out their integrity for money. They didn't change their opinion on other people's IP because of "unspecified new information", unless by that you mean money. That information was money.
I'm convinced that quintoris is busted.
Where is tomer? Isn’t he still part of the crew or no?
Holding the marvel thing against Mark rosewater seems fair to me. People should 100% change based on new information and ideas. My issue is that the "new information" is a brief case full of money.
i literally use Don cards from OP as proxies for my pricey lands in my magic decks
I dont think it's fair to use it as a Gotcha against Mark, but I do definitely think it's fair to use it an illustration of why many enfranchised players are becoming disillusioned with MTG as a whole. I've been playing for a long time, and I'm done because I don't like the direction Magic is going.
The bottom line is the bottom line and universes beyond sells.. look how well dr who sold
Molten Collapse second ability is trash. I have never been scared of a one mana card. I can’t remember the last time a one mana card has won me the game or killed me.
Hey Richard. I don’t really agree that Universe Beyond is “ez money on the side”. I can only assume big $ & promises to “rent” the IPs & obviously, from the amount of juice & flavor put into those sets, the designers been bustin their a##e# off. All these while power level, balance & general sweetness of many other sets of WotC’s own IPs, were sacrificed on their own altar. Just look at how weak & disappointing the D&D sets have turned out. Have a grok at the card for Tarrasque (& many others) to get an idea.
I’m much a flavor & theme guy. Mostly Universe Beyond is jus out-of-whack with the in-Universe feel & jus doesn’t work for me
8:26 so by this logic we should do away with the reserve list right ? who cares if they promised not to opinions and times change.
It's called the bat god and is a bat god because of prior lore and hype tbh. no other real reason
I know nothing about the set, but did they really keyword a permanent going to the graveyard? That seems like a real stretch
Ooo new visuals
Twitter didn't exist when I was in middle school....
Kinda bothered I'm not seeing ads before a lot of your videos.
Am I missing something? or wasn't MTG30 a 'gotcha' in regards to Mark R.
I personly haven't trusted him since then? - but am I simply ill informed?
I still haven't seen anyone get into magic from the Universe Beyond products.
Well now you have I’m that guy
Crim is high or something? Dude looks weird
Fishmail is a scam. They have done like 5 in the past year.
Ip’s being up for grab isn’t new information cmon now Richard. It’s an absolute fair gotcha which he deserves flack for.
Huh?
Save MTG, don't buy Universes Beyond.
Descend sucks because graveyard hate is just added on extra to a ton of meta cards.
Mark sold magic a long time ago, his words cannot be taken at face value.
not an anime set. I sleep.
I used to follow all the spoilers, but the complexity of mechanics has just turned me off of new sets.
10:02 this same criteria was leveled against Noah Bradley, and he lost his job over something he said/ did a decade prior. Why does Mark get a pass?
This is far from the biggest problem with Mark saying stuff on Blogs. Lying about the reserved list has done tons of harm to the game and community.
I think his blog is just another way for them to manipulate the customers. If you think WotC doesn't read his posts and control his language, I have a bridge to sell you.
Oh look, MTG ambassadors doing PR for WotC. Cringe!
Bro in his 30s with blue hair and a lip ring.. ain’t no way he got a wife and kids lol a family requires a man
6:35 i would hate to be the guy who think he “gottem” with 5-12 years old posts….
Excactly. We're the fools for thinking anything a major corporation that has clearly given less than a damn about the state of play would care about anything less than selling packs under its current ownership.
The way Mark is representing WOTC, then his words for the company shouldn't change. It's flat out lying!
With the Mycotyrant as it's written as fungi, it wouldn't trigger off itself as its a key word fungus. If the other fungus creatures also say fungus rather than fungi then this card only works off saplings
That's... that's not how any of this works. It's the same as writing Elves and not Elf creatures for Abomination of Llanowar. Magic rules understand the concept of plurals.
Sha-gee-kee
As a newer player without the nostalgic rose-colored glasses on, Rosewater has a good reputation with players that doesn't fit his history of action. People like to claim Hasbro runs the show, and they do, but that doesn't mean Rosewater isn't a bootlicker. He is a coward who somehow can't manage to ever actually stick up for what is best for the game in the midst of ever increasing mindless corporate profiteering. Just endless excuses about "market forces" and damage control for shitty decisions Wizards makes in favor of maximum revenue at the expense of the player experience.
I’m with Seth, I think quintorius will be great! I think you can twist the pia deck into a more midrange shell and it’ll do work
I’m with Seth, I think quintorius will be great! I think you can twist the pia deck into a more midrange shell and it’ll do work
I'm not sold, but i think the red 'exile two cards you may play them next turn' cards could create a mass of damage out of no where with quintorius on the field.
I agree. You play a Naya deck with questing druid and go midrange. I think the card is just busted personally.
In current meta? Pia decks are fun for sure, but they are not really competitive and I can not see Quint to change it tbh
@@Botanick13 your totally right. The pia deck is not tier one but i think with the new pieces introduced in caverns, not just quint, that the deck can be turned into a grindier more valuey deck that can overpower other midrange decks
@@Sup4ast4r I agree! Super excited for it