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Duskmourn’s style is awesome. I’m excited for it

I'd look forward to a conversation from you guys about doomwakes modern or horizonless modern. Mtg is a board game and we can choose how to use these cards, so why not play traditional modern without horizons

Unfortunately, the analysis of the modern "investment problem" is spot on. I bought a bunch of stuff for paper 2 years ago to get back into the tournament scene. Now I don't dare to calculate the current value of my collection due to the huge inflation caused by powercreep and MH-X sets. Probably will focus more an Arena and Timless for the upcoming months as I get to play the new cards but a fraction of the cost.

Unban fury

I haven't played modern since Tarmogoyf got printed down below $20. The death of eternal formats was obvious as soon as they started printing more non-standard sets. Money, money, money. Hasbro will milk their cash cow until they kill it, and the hedge fund bros won't give a shit while it dies.

33:00 wait, how did he get the cards for Nadu in yesterday's video?

Only way to actually get reliable for fun paper modern is proxy, unless you wanna go full sweat and win a pro tour who wants to drop 1k for a rotating deck

I dislike how modern is non-rotating by its literal definition, but rotating with how it's supported and competitively played. In retrospect I think they should have changed the definition of Modern to all cards that came through Standard are always Modern legal, and the latest Horizons set is legal until the next one. That way there's only 1 powerful set pushing out old cards rather than an ever increasing number. Unless your deck is a Horizons based combo, it wouldn't functionally rotate. Sometimes you'd get extra toys for a couple years, and sometimes you wouldn't. It would mitigate the need to power creep. We wouldn't have needed Bowmaster for Ragavan, and then make no 1 toughness creatures because of Bowmasters, if Ragavan were just going to rotate after 2 years. If a card is really positive for the format, put it through standard or reprint it in the next Horizons. Plus we wouldn't have some Universes Beyond that are Modern legal and some aren't. A little more stability like old Modern would be nice.

Regarding Modern, I haven't played it in paper since 2017. The reasoning being mostly because of the issues Richard described; many staples were no longer seeing play, and I bought into Legacy instead. I saw the writing on the wall in the first Modern Horizons set, that the format would simply be too volatile to have any deck remain relevant for a long period of time. Legacy actually has a better shot; the "staples" last longer, and certainly ebb and flow, because the answers are better. Decks are rarely invalidated forever, and receive tools that allow them to update and compete. Your skill matters far more in Legacy, because mistakes generally lose the entire game, so the pace of the game is slower, and the answers are so good it generally devolves quite quickly into "limited style gameplay" as Richard describes. There are exceptions to this, such as cards that are borderline unanswerable in certain shells even with almost all the cards in Magic's history, notably the sequencing of Grief+Reanimate in Daze shells (wait for a ban on this one before investigating). Exceptions aside, there is generally good enough interaction in Legacy to make just about whatever you want playable, even through high power level fluctuations and new inclusions, because of the skill ceiling being astronomically high. It's almost more economically efficient to buy a Reserved List mana base (or proxy it, the community is incredibly proxy friendly) and a few staples and to cycle through a couple Legacy decks with the mana base you have than it is to spend money on a rotating modern format. That's what I did in 2017, and I never, ever looked back. Just don't pick a Lands/Mox Diamond shell unless you are very, very stable financially.

Honestly, people will complain about anything. Duskmourn is hands down one of the most interesting and original themed Magic planes that we have had in a while.

my theory re: how nadu happened is that it only triggered on spells until the last minute, when someone realised it needed to also trigger on fury and solitude.

I don’t think they realized that equipment target

Make The One Ring limited to ONE per deck.

I think yawgmoth is staged for a comeback, seen some birthing ritual lists, that seem insane

I play paper modern, and I still have a great time with it. I played golgari rock and did well with it, and for mh3 I built Boros Boom (thanks spike) and had an amazing time with it. In terms of price, my golgari was way more expensive than my Boros deck, the only real expensive card being phlage. I want to say I saw a lot of people complaining about facing Yawg, titan, tron and the like before MH3 because those were the best decks and in our 20+ people FnM modern tournaments you would always see them, but now there are a bunch of new decks to face and it’s refreshing. I don’t think all the old decks are dead, there is still time for decks to change and adapt to at least be able to compete. To say the entirety of modern is the top 5 decks is not right, random rouge decks can still smash them as their sideboards are not prepared as I did with $100 12 shadow against all the MH2 meta decks, and same goes for the older decks pre MH3.

54:30 Impending triggers on end step, not upkeep. This knocks a turn off the clock, but it also means that your opponent gets a turn of it being a creature to answer it before it can attack.

Richard really know magic, makes excellent points

surprised you guys didnt quickly talk about kai budde, really sad news but nice from wizards to honour him this way, hope he can beat cancer still

I don't play mtg, though I do know the rules, and even I could have told you that Nadu was too strong for the cost. That is the kind of creature that you need to make a 1/1 or 1/2.

Say what you want about Universes Beyond, it really wasn’t affecting any format in a major way until LoTR released as a set planned for Modern play. Now you have to watch Constructed format play with the reminder that Lord of The Rings is a major part of the format. I know I am missing the one card from WH40k that was also played in Legacy, but that one isn’t at all as prevalent as Orchish Bowmasters or The One Ring. The One Ring engenders a horrible play pattern where the player that just played a repeatble card draw engine can’t really be punished for tapping out and setting up instead of being more proactive. Between playing Time Lord Doctor Tribal in one out of your seven casual FMN commander games and seeing The One Ring at your Modern tournament, I know which one makes me cringe more.

I felt the same with pauper when it comes to Modern "rotating"

49:10 at the very least, Duskmourne has a lot of supernatural elements. No shortage of magic

Why can't Simic ever get some nice toys without everybody screaming BAN BAN!? #playFreebird #ElkEmAll #UroURokay

Maybe Wotc thinks there are more new players than older players. So having new expensive cards cater to those new players more than old. But also, I’m not confident they are doing great things with the player equity they keep taking. Is the amount of new players generated from each IP worth the player equity that devalues everyone’s collection? Is this all about pushing digital because there is new design space and less overhead? WOTC needs to break off of Hasbro. It’s a shame WOTC and its games are held hostile by the other failing Hasbro brands.

I learned how to play Magic via Modern about 10 years ago. It’s hard to find shops that promote 60 card formats in general. I will always love the format but it is not meant for the average player. I am heavily invested in it and can speak from experience trying to teach it to new players.

Id like to call a point of order to everyones attention. You know you can just stop playing modern. In fact, if you take it a step further, you can actually JUST play modern again. Try starting your own format, possibly just modern legal cards, that only has cards that went through standard. If enough of yall mad modern players ACTUALLY stopped being the banana man in this act that WOTC is perpetrating, modern will straight up die, and you can replace it with something made by players, regulated by players, and cut wizards out of trying to manage a format that is obviously looked at as a money farm by the company supposed to be managing said format.

56:50 Richard not knowing about infinitokens is the wildest of the wild even for him

What if they unbanned Fury?

Does Richard script his opinions for new cards to be constantly negative? Do you all have a "good cop/bad cop" philosophy when you all discuss what cards get mentioned on the podcast and what opinions you all will take on said cards? I swear almost every spoiler season he is poo-pooing on pretty much everything, and most of the time he is somewhat wrong to completely wrong about the cards that end up seeing play. Like I understand that not everyone on the cast has to have a positive opinion on new cards, and there are cards that end up being niche or bad, but FFS Richard is more often than not a downer, whether because he hates the cards for being "bad" or "poorly designed"/"too broken" etc, and again he is mostly wrong from what I have seen over the last several years. Where Richard does shine well is when interpreting results and issues with particular aspects of Magic after the fact. In other words: he's good at "hindsight is 20/20" more than the rest of the cast typically (Seth is good here as well but he tends to have a more positive spin while Richard has the more middle of the road take which comes off more honest and real overall).

Overlord seems insane in a blink deck. Play it for three, flickerwisp it, get another land and a 6/5. Or flash in Phelia on t2, play overlord on three, Phelia blinks it, get more ramp and a 6/5.

Every game has this but it seems like Nowhere to Run is another "solution to a problem" WOTC created in the first place by pushing Ward so much

Richard, thank you for describing so well the problem with Modern. I have been trying to tell people that since MH1 and I feel like I just get blank stares. Your discussion and stance on it is exactly correct.

The foundations idea comes from RND not wanting to have to redesign the same set every year when the core sets were basically reprint farms. This solves 2 problems

Is there any argument to maybe making a modern format that excludes horizons sets?

I've played magic for 20 years. I didn't sleeve my cards until 2020. Anyone want some properly played white border 9th edition lands let me know, they're great for getting my opponents salty

If they ban after one event is lame we need a little time to figure out the new meta give us poor people time to even build a deck because a modern deck take a few weeks if not months to build because of price I love trying to play pro players deck list to see if I can play as good as them but bans are inevitable

58:50 impending L. It’s gonna be good

Keep the ring, modern has never been a cheap format. I'd argue that the RW energy, and Storm decks, which are ~$600-$700 are the CHEAPEST viable modern decks thay have ever existed. I think there's never been a better time to play modern PERIOD.

I don’t play modern anymore, it’s a total racket. Last I was involved was before modern horizons. Soon as that hit, I quit. I refuse to be a wotc puppet to that extent.

IMO why don’t we take the commander route and just have private modern tourneys with no straight to modern cards allowed?

Shuko ban actually won't matter. It's hard to believe WotC could be dumb enough to make the same mistake as with Hogaak+Bridge, but people are already testing Shuko-less lists just in case WotC disappoints everyone (again). And the deck is (unsurprisingly) still incredibly oppressive and powerful.

Is there an unofficial format that is Like "old modern" (ie. Modern, but only with cards that were standard legal at some point)? (No modern Horizons or lord of the rings)

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why would they not ban nadu to sell more packs... that makes no sense since you can buy a nadu for $6 or less and a pack costs $10. Nobody is going to buy packs to pull nadu.

My favorite way to fix The One Ring in Modern is by making it restricted. Only one copy. Flavor win, but also drops its ubiquity down enormously. I know it's not the best solution (banning it), but it's a fun idea.

How do I interact with Modern? I don’t. Pioneer is so much better. Have 7 decks that are competitive and in no danger of being obsolete any time soon.

moderm = shit. just play vintage and legacy at this point

Im someone wo listens to this everyweek and i was wondering which helps you guys more if i listen on goldfish article or youtube?

How does Richard continue to get more handsome

frankly the one ring should've been banned a while ago it's a boring and homogenizing card, but i also think nadu is an issue.