Universes Beyond Tier List | MTGGoldfish Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2023
- With the crew waiting for Lost Caverns of Ixalan to release they tier list all of the Universes Beyond sets released so far!
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Richard making the "What Could Have Been" reference with Arcane and having it fly by everyone else was hilarious to me
The Walking Dead was like the oldest sibling getting told off for being a rebellious teenager, and then all the younger ones getting away with it when they do the exact same thing a couple years later 😂
That's not true though, since they corrected a huge complaint by making in universe versions available outside of a limited print run secret lair. There's been a meaningful change.
@@liamfoote7164yeah walking dead was much more egregious being a 1 time print run with no possibility of reprints the ip chosen was very poor match in tone very dark and takes place in modern day with a fantasy element yes but nothing fantastical also it had been losing viewers for awhile so brought very few people into the game and alienated existing players into leaving the game its biggest audience were people who were buying them to resell
My biggest issue is art style at this point. Street Fighter, Transformers, Walking Dead, Jurassic Park, all of those fit terribly aesthetically. 40k and LotR cards had art that fit and didn't feel like weird promo art the way the others tend to.
@@Jhit123 Depends on the art style. Honestly it's mostly the "hyper realistic" stuff that falls into an uncanny valley for me that I don't like. Most invitational cards have a bit of that vibe too, but these universes beyond cards have often been much worse
Seems to me like much of the art from Universes Beyond has a weird sheen over it which contrasts bad with the art direction of other Magic products which are more vibrant and stylized.
I totally agree, if they make this, i wish art would be MTG look a like, and ofcourse the story how they fit in.. For example - Star Wars would be insanely good fit as LOTR, but DC comic characters aint gonna do it for me.
Definitely looking forward to the new Laura Craft Tome Reader game
The reason godzilla was just reskins was because it was actually the first universe beyond, as it came out with ikoria where as walking dead came out with zendikar rising, 6 months later. They weren't called universes beyond and don't have the triangular holo stamps
Preach✨
Ikorea is still doin great too.
This is what bothered me the most. Not only was Godzilla first, it’s that Walking Dead came after it and WENT BACKWARDS with how bad it was. I 100% think Richard was wrong putting Walking Dead at B, it should be lower and Godzilla should be higher.
@@connormohs6046Godzilla was honestly Goated. The reskins were great and the giant monsters didn’t look out of place. S tier for me
Godzilla and Dracula are not universes beyond even though Dracula went out way after UB began
@@CreateWorldsAgreed
Seth calling the Indoraptor 'Incorporator' is really funny. Also, I really love the Dracula cards.
I just got to that part and let out a loud "what?" Driving to work lol
Seeing her strapped with the dual .45s on the waists is nice. Wotc usually bans guns from their artwork
Cant wait for next week's pod when we get 10 more crossovers to rank lol
Ikoria did it best and I will die on this hill. Regular magic set (ignoring other drama) with alternate arts that happen to all be godzilla themed. Beautifully done and all the others in a similar vein get an A+ from me
The Godzilla IP is what brought me back to magic after an 8 year layoff. I bought way more sealed, chasing a Ghidorah, than I've ever bought before or since. I hosted many drafts and limited chasing these cards. Yall are highly underrating that cross over
They underrate all the ones they dislike. I was also brought back by a collab(can probably tell which)
Dr. Who and DnD stuff was tight, Seth you be tripping
you have the energy of a guy who wears a cookie monster flatbill
I LOVED the Street Fighter Secret Lair...the Lightning Bolt Hadouken was perfection.
The fact that Lara Croft doesn't have Explore is the biggest miss for me. She needs (specific) cards in the GY to get any benefit from her attack trigger,, and having a way to put those legendary cards in your GY (or in your hand to then put in the GY for the case of those Kamigawa Channel Lands), would have made her a big win design-wise (let alone flavor-wise), As she was printed, it really doesn't feel like you're building to make her strong you're building to make her function, which makes her feel super clunky.
Couldn’t agree more. I think wizards doesn’t want to make characters from other IP too pushed so that they don’t have the problem where the price skyrockets and they can’t reprint it. just a guess tho, but your right I wish they powered her up more
Ok ok but hear me out for a second, she says a graveyard right? And they gave us shadow spear so what they’re telling me is use shadow spear to make my opponents one ring lose indestructible then blow it up, attack with her and cast their one ring!
She doesn't explore though? Like she solves puzzles and traps in mostly human built structures. She isn't finding new places, just looting ones people have forgotten.
It makes no sense for a tomb raider to put the treasure in the tomb before taking it back out.
Not every commander needs their entire sequence on their card.
The biggest miss is that she is not Human Thief
33:11 Fortnite has The Biggest Miss in all secret lairs by not making Supply Llama be Burnished Hart
My favorite way that Wizards have done UB is like the Street Fighter and Transformers sets: flavorful cards that are powerful in their own right. Although the Commander deck method and the whole set method are cool, we end up with staple level cards that make the flavor weird. I.e., u guess I'm ok with someone bringing a Chun-li deck or a Optimus Prime deck, but i'm not ok with everyone bringing an Orcish Bowmaster deck.
Lara's theme of legendary artifacts and places (lands) makes sense, however it tells only half of the character as those are directly tied to her being fit, combat elite soldier (or rather mercenary) which allows her to explore these legends. There needed to either be a 2nd Lara focusing on that or dual faced card or having merged the 2 concepts into one.
To be fair Dr. Who also has a multiverse so it works better than you think. I actually started watching Dr.Who because of magic and it's moved up to my top 5 favorite shows.
It also has eras with a more storybook feel to them than hard sci-fi
42:20 The other big fumble for Transformers is that its 100% Hasbro IP so it could have been very nonholds barred (except the movies i guess)
I think Lara Croft is pretty good flavour wise - she is raiding a tomb on attack by going into a graveyard and looting it. She takes a legendary artifact and keeps it, and also takes some treasure as well. Then later on you can use those artifacts that you stole. I guess with the lands she is finding undiscovered areas.
Believe the URL for the sponser of the video is wrong, should not have an S at the end.
Now that we've laid the standard evaluations, I wonder how we're gonna be judging the (known) future Universes Beyond.
Cuz if it's just flavor > high fantasy from the IP, Fallout and AssCreed are kinda sitting on the C "Squint to make it fit in with the multiverse", tho if AssCreed leans more into Paliano/Italian-Assassin aesthetic maybe we're already half-way to B there. Tho it'll be VERY intimidating that AssCreed and FF are designated Modern-Legal sets so it'll probably be as big as LotR was.
Final Fantasy being named but in development till 2025 is the one we're all holding our breathe on, and with just how varied the entire settings have been High-Fantasy to Urban Fantasy to Practically Cyberpunk with Magitek and maybe everything in-between, ironically mirrors Magic already in how fast and loose it's "high fantasy setting" turned out. Wonder if we'll have just as much shenanigans with Garland knocking everyone down as with people being able to Suplex Trains and just punching Chaos to death.
I really don't understand the confusion for transformers in brothers war, there were giant robots in the actual magic set, and also a civil war over a plane or planet, it fits pretty well imo
I'd like to see an "Un" tier list, like they did for the holiday promos. What cards would you want to run from Unglued, unhinged, etc.
They did a podcast on the commander channel last year
@@rodrigpimenta i mean, kind of? It was mostly just talking about the new acorn symbol, and legality and the rule 0 issue... Seth doesn't seem into Un- cards, but I want to hear Crim rank all the ones he would play if he could.
@@iangoldstein4556 ruclips.net/video/ckm0LuzLq4c/видео.htmlsi=SRVr0SRFgMJiZy0T
But they do tierlist the holiday cards
I want more Storm Crows
Love the warhammer decks, I got back into magic due to those decks. Love that you guys liked them too. Necron deck, I still use, and in warhammer I field the necron army too.
Thing that I didnt like with the Jurassic Park secret layer is that its so rare in packs that its almost as exclusive as a secret layer, maybe more so. My area does not have collectors to-date, but the set boosters have a JP card 1 every 12 packs, which is more rare than a mythic, and that 1 in 12 could be a basic land. So seems like the Jurassic Park cards are limited to the "Whales" who are opening multiple boxes.
Yeah and Hunting Velociraptor is currently at this moment $60 - $80 every other card is within $5 - $8 which is good and the lands have gone down to $2 and less. Me personally I wished we got just all the cards at once like dr.who but instead of 4 packs it's just one. Everything is affordable and it looks like this set for Ixalan is gonna be one of their more profitable sets. The thing I hate is the emblem cards. Because they are gonna be rarer than serialized cards. Don't quote me but I think there's one emblem card in one pack out of 100.I would love to collect all the 20 emblem cards but not if it's gonna cost the same as a brand new car.
@@blkvnm6003thats not true, multiple cards are 10+ dollars
@@blkvnm6003 I hope the singles stay cheap, it just doesnt bring people into the game or help move product of Ixalan if they are rarer than mythics or someone that opens a (set) box only gets two basics. It does not seem to be achieving the goals Universes Beyond is suppose to have. I am very skeptical that Ixalan well be a great selling set, even being the newest set before the holiday season. Its another very forgettable standard set imo.
@@mattjones2811 dino DNA is currently $7.98 life finds a way $6.99 Don't move $6.95 Swooping Pterodon $5.49 Spitting Dilophosaurus $5.97 Henry Wu $4.97 Compy Swarm $6.96 Cresting Mosasaurus is $3.97 (Personally I think people are overlooking this card and what it can do in the Owen and Blue as a commander) Ellie and Allen $5.99 Gigantasaurus $7.94 Now that's half not including lands Now that's all of prices exactly now on Nov 14. Now the cards that you can look at TCG Ian Malcolm, Welcome to..., Blue Loyal Raptor, and Owen Raptor Trainer were all under $8 on Nov 8-11. So besides 6 cards are at an affordable price. Now let's be honest 3 cards Savage Order, Ravenous Tyrannosaurus and Hunting Velociraptor are going to be Dino staples especially in Commander because those have the ability to make a dino commander deck like Gishath pop off we can all agree. The other two, Indoraptor and Indominus Rex are unique commanders so it's to be expected to be pricey. And finally Permission Denial is literally a blue players wet dreams basically a really good counter spell. But for the most part all cards are affordable except 3 which are gonna be the Dino staples. The other two commanders and counter spell will go down in price.
@@nathand6467 I can't judge other local LGS but mine almost had 70 people sign up. (Most we had was 5) And as for cards I say at least in my preference really solid cards overall although I'm still trying to see benefits of crafting.
Did you fine fellows forget about the My Little Pony cards? What’s their tier ranking?
Themberchaud from the DnD set is a really cool take on mono red devotion in commander
I'm glad Seth came around on Street Fighter. Every card felt flavorful, a few of the cards are really powerful (Blanka was mentioned; Dhalsim is a CEDH viable commander), and even the less powerful ones are still really interesting.
I would've had Tomb Raider higher too; sure it's a bunch of reskins, but it feels well thought out, like every card is meant to be in a Lara Croft commander deck. She's a 3/4 first strike & reach that can recur legendary lands and artifacts, and the rest of the set is legendary lands and artifacts! And none of them overlap her keywords, so if you get Shadowspear and Bow of Nylea she'll have first strike, reach, deathtouch, lifelink, and trample! And Lara being a 3/4 and not getting killed by the Storms of Yamatai (Anger of the Gods reskin) is such a flavor win.
Plus the Shadowspear and Academy Ruins reprints are welcome. As far as reskin Secret Lairs are concerned, Tomb Raider is excellent.
Lara could be interesting as a Temur steal theme, whereby you mill (or just naturally allow) your opponents to fill their yards and then yoink something out. However, why is there reach on a card with effectively two attack triggers?
I kind of love the idea of making janky basic lands from around summoners rift. Just a screenshot of the river for Island. Plains is the lane. Swamp is the frog. Forest is a bush. Mountain is a zoomed in view of the mountain in the background of the top of the map.
Gotta agree that the Warhammer 40k universe beyonds was amazingly done. The decks were great. The cards were flavorful and fit into magic perfectly. It
"Name me one good non land card from AFR"
Old Gnawbone is a joke to Seth?
"Why are there civilians in the midst of our fantasy war?"..Richard
New Capenna creatures who were literally citizens...
That Magic at Sea link is incorrect. There should be no "s" at the end.
The thing about TWD was the way they sold it, so yeah, Richard is right that today it'd be very well received. But if it wasn't for the backlash Secret Lairs could have kept being sold in those ridiculous 1-day windows with no later in-universe reprints.
Dull is the perfect word. Clearly making a treasure is a fine trigger and I believe I will jam it in the 99 of my Rashmi and Ragavan deck. I could call it a good synergy card but 'ha', every card has synergy with treasures. I view it as a in the 99 enchantment-esk creature.
Warhammer is absolutely S tier. One of the guys in my playgroup is a massive WH fan and has tens of thousands of dollars into it and he rated the decks as highly as possible.
They're everything you want. They look and play like magic, they're super flavorful, the decks were good and felt good to play, all new art, and were accessible without completely pricing anyone out. That's a huge win to me. I was really hoping the Doctor Who decks would've been similar and to me they were a massive let down
I came across several Transformer cards when building different decks. I think the cards themselves are really fun, unique and overall medium-power level, and I even put medium power cards in decks purposely sometimes if they're dirt cheap. But I can't get over the art, just like the LOTR animation movie secret lair, it looks like something I would do on Mtg design
How has wotc not learned their lesson yet from printing mechanically unique cards in secret lairs…..smh; it took them over 2 years to reskin the walking dead cards and in that time we had ppl mad over almost no access to the cards, rising prices on the 2ndary market, and no in universe version for ppl who want mtg and not outside IP. Yet again this will blow up in their face; either it flops like most secret lair bs these days or they keep printing new cards to sell direct…either way we lose as the customer
I'm glad most of the crew agreed about the Doctor Who commander decks. When I initially heard about the warhammer crossover I spent my money so fast getting all 4 decks. Flavor was on point with the 40k deck as well with the appropriate feelings of the art direction. I'm not a doctor who fan and this product wasn't for me so I skipped out on it with no fomo whatsoever. For me Doctor Who commander deck was just regular ppl in action poses lol
Meanwhile I'm the opposite. Passed on Warhammer, save a few cards i liked mechanically, but went hard into Doctor Who. And thats Fine.
Its exhausting enough to play mtg without having to be invested in every single product that comes out.
Did Seth just gloss over Dungeons and how they warped Legacy?
Initiative/the undercity. Every other dungeon is complete ass unless you're doing the Acererak infinite, which is not consistently done in eternal formats
Dungeons (the first ones) were fine, initiative (from Commander Legends: Baldur's Gate) were a problem for sure.
I'm buying the foil and nondoil bundle 😊
Y’all nuts about the power level dungeons and dragons. It’s got great competitive cards and two of the strongest dragons in old gnawbone and ancient copper dragon. And the BG3 cards are great. Gale is a cedh deck, Lae’zel is a hardened scales, shadowheart a repeatable disciple of bolas, karlach gives extra combats. Like not all of them are bangers but not every uncommon in a standard set are bangers.
I really think Doctor Who fits way better with Magic than a lot of these other IP like TWD, where the "weirdest" thing is just zombies. Doctor Who is basically a fantasy show but with technobabble instead of magic spells and I think overall the flavor and execution was on point. I don't think it's the strongest set by any means but I don't really feel like I need uber-strong cards in UB anyway.
Doctor Who is probably my favorite Universes Beyond set they've done. I think the crew was a bit unfair to the decks because they had some really interesting themes for precons and they've given us a lot of really cool Commanders to brew around.
I'm personally a big fan of Ten // Rose and War // Ryan.
Game pieces should be available to the players… top notch episode mates!
Love the podcast ! One point to improve i would say , show the cards when you are talking about them :) i dont know all the universe beyond cards
You guys are wild on some of these. But we can agree to disagree. Fortnite at B (should be D) bad cards very few flavor makes no sense nothing new bad art. For me Doctor Who is much higher but it could be that I've been having a blast with them. I do get allot of your reasons though.
Hyped for ff ub I want to build a squall deck
Saying "not counting the Lands" for D&D AFR is crazy to me, in any other Magic set having massively impactful Standard defining Man Land cycles would certainly elevate a sets power status. It's like saying when discussing Khans block that we have to ignore the fetch lands because they are just lands....you know those things thwt comprise anywhere between 1/3rd and up to just under 50% of everyones decks on aveverage.
The problem with the walking dead was the fact that WOTC didn't plan to reprint them at the time. It was only with fan backlash that they backpedaled and came up with a reprint policy for them. Even then most of the cards in the lair are bad. Two of them are playable?
If you want to get REALLY technical the Godzilla skins were the first look into universes beyond and those were well received because of the fact they were skins of magic cards. If you didn't want them the magic versions were right there.
The “list” is basically non existent for rares and mythics come play boosters next year……the odds are worse than set boosters; it’s like 3% the time out of every 4 packs you’ll pull a rare or mythic out the list, hence it will probably be a jank common and not the lara croft reprint.
Old Gnawbone is from AFR
Jeff Goldblum is best known for being The Fly, not Jurassic Park. Maybe not now that they brought him back for the 6th movie, but he was really only a supporting character in the first one. Sam Neil and Laura Dern are probably better recognized for JP than Goldblum is. Although, he might be better known as The Grandmaster from Thor now. It’s funny that you mentioned Sam Jackson for JP. I forgot he was even in that movie! Probably because he wasn’t going,” F these MFing dinosaurs on this MFing island!”
Props to Crim for his arguments pushing Sreet Fighter to S. I had never bought a Secret Lair and wasn't intending to until SF came out. I grew up in arcades playing SF and the nostalgia effect was just too much for me to pass by. Plus, I absolutely love my Chun-Li deck and people at my LGS both love and fear it equally also!
Edit: Ratchet is the other good Transformer, it makes for a very nasty mono-white artifact/lifegain combo deck.
The street fighter SL was a great one for me. The Blanka commander deck is so easy to build so cheaply. Most of the deck is draft chaff lol.
Im not gonna lie, as a big Street Fighter fan, I can't imagine giving that drop higher than a C. The characters picked were definitely for nostalgia, and didn't even include a villain like Akuma or M. Bison, which is wild. The art was a letdown, with so many talented artists at Capcom it felt like such a miss not to have someone do some guest pieces. Ryu's design drops it a full letter grade on it's own, he definitely should be green and not red, and the fact that his design encourages you to kill is so comically out of character that it's almost funny. The rest of the characters had good and fun designs, but it's painfully clear that whoever designed it only played Street Fighter 2.
Blanka would not be able to throw hands with Urza, he would get stomped. You'd need secret lair: Dragonball or something to give Urza a fair fight. Maybe secret lair kirby but that would be a stomp in the other direction
everytime ive faced a DrWho deck that player durdles for like 5minutes a turn and never does anything really impactful
I'm just sad we will probably never get a cosmere or stormlight archive set because it probably doesn't have enough of a fan base for magic to consider, even if I bet Brandon Sanderson would do it in a heart beat because he loves playing magic.
Wasn't there some controversy or falling out wth him and WotC after he wrote that short story for them? I think they monetized it or did it in a way he didn't approve of after he approached them with the offer of writing for them
I wish him being a devout Mormon didn't completely ruin any chance of reading Stormlight Archive
Fortnite has Kelsier from Mistborn, I don't think it's a question of popularity.
@@Tristyn_Waterman lol why does the religion he follow effect what you do with your life? And if it's because your beliefs, that's more of a your decision against a his decision ruining your chances of reading what I would consider the best fantasy series to date.
@@jeffe2267 yeah but there's a big difference between a signal skin that is distributed digitally, and devoting a team to designing and play testing a set, hiring artists for the cards or purchasing the rights to pieces, printing, quality control, distribution. I think popularity will factor in a little bit more for that. And I would hope for more than just a secret Lair reskin.
I think stranger things introducing a new partner mechanic should at least bump it up 1 tier
LotR is not a Universes Beyond MtG set. MtG is Universes Beyond for LotR.
The Dr. Who set NAILED the flavor, but the decks were clunky and didn't play well.
yall should leave a link to your tiermaker list so the community can make and post there own easily.
Calling Doctor Who niche is kind of a stretch - the first seasons of New Who were super popular. There's a reason Superwholock was a thing in the early 2010s
I think they were referring to fans of both DW and MTG as niche. Which is more understandable, the two properties seem very different on the surface
Honestly, I think the Godzilla cards from Ikoria is an A+. It's my favorite way they did UB. Optional skins. The best of both worlds.
This episode felt like "We gotta do a content" so they just hit record without looking into the subject before the show. Sure, everyone had prior experience with it, but a lot of what was said was factually incorrect. Reasons why things were put into tier lists were contradicting with each other, with the Walking Dead just slapped into B "because it had zombies in it".
The idea or reasons why a UB Tier list should even exist are questionable, but I feel it could have been executed better. Rating this episode with an F.
15:15 exactly right!
Hey doctor who was amazing, the sagas were awesome
Ash not being a legendary creature is a travesty, and I couldn't imagine putting reskin packs up against full decks like doctor who with almost every card having an episode call back in the art.
57:36 If you take only this sentiment and look at the tier list as-is.. That's pretty spot on, no? The further the release is from feeling like either Magic itself (LOTR, D&D) or its culture surrounding the game (WH40k), the lower the ranking becomes. Only DZIL stands out as being lower on the scale than expected there: pretty boomer but extremely on-point flavourwise with Ikoria. Just a curious observation :)
36:45 "we need zoomers to teach them lessons about blood moons" 😂
Mandela effect for Richard, Jeff Gold was never on the toilet it was the lawyer!
It's a shame that all the Games Workshop properties were lumped together and given a single rating. I would have liked to hear what they thought of the Blood Bowl secret lair. Personally I was disappointed that none of the game's characters got cards, but I wondered what non-players made of it.
Godzilla was the most disappointing they had a weird mechanic that doesn’t fit with Godzilla or much outside the set the power level of Godzilla Ghidora and Kong were underwhelming I wish they did something like walking dead where they were mechanically unique
28:02 Fat L on the JJ shoutout
Nvm claiming fighting games are at all similar to magic is peak absurdity lmao
37:44 Crim, after going out of his way to hate on middle schoolers dancing Lmao
I can buy the Walking Dead gets hit hard by being the first one, but it really did start a lot of the trends you object to in other IPs, including ones you rate lower. The "just people standing around" thing, for example; that's very much a problem with the Walking Dead.
“Ads on MTG cards tier list!”
Easy: all f
The flavor of the Tomb Raider reskins are perfect. I'm remembering all of the flavor texts from within the game. On that note, these cards are all from the video games. None are from the movies.
Although the flavor texts aren't necessarily from a scene the card is from. I also hope for a round 2. So I guess... an A
I really wish secret lairs made it to MTGO
Me too
Don't know why y'all forgot so many banger DnD cards. Either way, fun podcast.
i was really surprised the Ixalan pirates got no raid support and specifically no raid treasure thing, guess we now know why. Fuck mechanically unique sl cards
Fully agree with Richard. Final Fantasy universes beyond could be done so badly, and it would hurt so much if they did. On the other hand, if they get it right, it can be SSS tier.
Doctor Who is on the same level as Warhammer for me.
That’s either good news for DW or bad news for WH
Warhammer was a set where I go: but no tent pole v marvel "that really doesn't fit with the world..." and warhammer could plop in there without much notice... wish there was a full set, cause I don't wanna break apart my pretty WH40K foils..
Street fighter even has pretty flavorful magic ports, big S.
I find it awkward that DnD doesn’t have the universes beyond triangle except for the movie secret lair
Didn't civilians start in the New Capenna set?
Crim: warhammer fits
Me: but 40k spacemarines do not
I've only ever bought one Universes Beyond Secret Lair, but I agree that most of these are shameless cash-grabs that break my immersion
I've never had an issue with crossovers, just how they're executed. put them in normally priced products that are easily accessible at like an LGS or a Target or something like that. I don't like that I have to look for them, just wanna walk into a store and see them without even trying to find them
Old gnawbone is nuts
Arcane bummed me out because I had hope for more of the Runeterra world than like 5 reprints of cards, and I just kinda want Darius as a magic card.
My Ratings:
Tomb Raider - C (meh all around)
Walking Dead - D (trash show, trash implementation for unqiue cards)
Stranger Things - D (trash fucking show and writing, trash fucking cards)
Arcane - D (amazing show, trash cards)
Godzilla - C (godzilla huge monster dino fight fantasy theme fail)
Street Fighter - A (flavor win and interesting cards even if they're largely not so good)
Fortnite - D (cards suck and weren't even right for the theme - correct art and demographic doesn't save this)
Warhammer - S (theme, power level, playability, art, etc basically all nailed - also maybe the best or close to the best commander decks of all time?)
Transformers - C (cool theme but... it isn't good enough to be a B since almost all the cards are straight up bad)
Lord of the Rings - S (hit hard basically across the board and fits into MTG thematically. nailed basically everything across the board - helps that it was a full big set to explore the theme)
Dungeons and Dragons - A (good theme, decent selection of cards, fits in-world. into the dungeon and overall card power hold this back) also to seth - old gnawbone, tiamat, tele circle, circle of dreams druid, lolth... there's actually good cards in AFR
Dr Who - B (despite theme being way wrong for MTG it's got a ton of interesting and pretty good cards. card design massively saves this because the theme is way way off)
Jurassic Park - B (theme is almost amazing... almost. cards are hit and miss)
Evil Dead - C (MEH. Ash isn't even legendary dude)
Dracula - D (ugh... more terrible garbage that failed theme here)
Creepshow- D (this is fine value and stuff but I hate cards that are hard to read...)
Princess Bride - A (mostly pretty good or at least playable cards, great theme, amazing art)
Average score is a C+ which is... about what I expected from universes beyond for me. It's not the worst but it's not good either. It's just... okay and I'm bound to like a couple things making it a C+ rather than a C. Meh lol
Evil Dead got hosed
Deadly dispute ❤
Crazy. I see the walking dead secret lair IP as being the gold standard (aside from the mechianical unquie debacle). S-teir! Then followed up with Godzilla and Jurrasic Park. Main reason I cannot stand D&D and lord of the rings is because it was a secret lair or a few cards sprinkled in a standard set...it because they were entire sets.
Very surprised about Dr who. I have not played the decks but it seemed like the set was very correct. I think the issue was it was limited to just commander decks.
The biggest issue is that the decks are focused more on flavor than function. The 10th Doctor and Villains decks suffered from a lack of focus on a specific mechanic or set of mechanics. They threw in a bunch of different ones that didn’t always work together well. The best of the bunch was the Classic Doctors one, and even that didn’t always have the greatest synergy