Do You Know Magic Slang? | MTGGoldfish Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- The crew discusses Maro's Outlaws of Thunder Junction teaser, some organized play news and Seth quizzes Richard and Crim on Magic slang terms!
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0:00 intro
2:21 MARO OTJ Teaser
25:30 Bloomburrow token spoiler
32:02 Fallout survey was sus
32:54 organized play update
40:57 Magic slang quiz
55:51 fishmail
1:01:37 outro 
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trigun? cowboy bebop? ghost in the shell?
i'm pretty sure crim has seen more westerns than he's aware of, just in the guise of anime.
i would say those all fall under the space western feel. Cowboy Bebop especially. Trigun is closer to the western feel except your main hero is a human/plant hybrid with a mechanical arm with a gun in it and the ability to transform his arm into a wave motion gun. Ghost in the shell feels more like a future crime drama with them trying to find out who is murdering cyborgs or figuring out who the Laughing man is
Space western is a subtype of western.
@@evaman0182 Ghost in the Shell is absolutely a Western in how it plays out, if not the setting. Western is a genre, it doesn't have to take place in a desert.
@@hammernnaila7031 A number of Akira Kurosawa's films are Westerns. There are no deserts in Japan.
As a general rule, the plains features the cattle wrangling/ranching and the romantic subplot of a western, while the deserts contain the bulk of the action.
Wait till Richard finds out that Antarctica is a desert
Ironically party wasn’t even in the DND set it was Zendikar Rising
There was a whole party precon from baldurs gate?
@@T_Peazy i'm sure you don't care and it doesn't really matter but i actually like the party mechanic so:
1. party first appeared in zendikar rising chronologically.
2. baldur's gate is a commander format set, we're talking about standard premier sets.
3. party isn't even a mechanic in the baldur's gate main set.
4. there are only 4 new party cards in the precon you're talking about, every other party card there is a reprint from zendikar rising.
Hey there @parasocialanxiety4994, Genuine human talking. I don't care about the party mechanic like you do. But I do care that you like it. I'm glad you do because i think people should get to like whatthey like. However:
1. Yes it first appeared in zendikar rising not AFR.
2. Baldurs gate was still a set that got released. YOU are the only one that specified you were ONLY talking about "standard legal premiere sets". Nobody else was.
3. So what?
4. Since when do reprints not count as part of a thing?
@@parasocialanxiety4994 stop trying to gatekeep party.
@@T_Peazy if you watched the video, they keep saying party was in “the DND set” by which they mean AFR. If you want to argue party was in AFR please show me a card that has it, otherwise I am correct.
I feel like Warren Warleader is just a creature spell with the text “when this enters, create a token that’s a copy of it except it doesn’t have this ability”
That or a form of the eternalize mechanic, but yeah, I think it is just a copy token type of thing
The 'walk five paces, turn and shoot' style duel is an earlier (flintlock era) practice. The classic western shootout starts with both facing each other, then both draw and try to shoot.
Interestingly, the flintlock style duel didn't necessarily come down to who shot first, because the guns weren't all that accurate, so rushing your shot might lead to missing. Then you would be expected to stand there while the other person took their time to aim...
The secret to this kind of dueling is to just have more guns in your trenchcoat; "Neo Strats"
Now picturing Crim sending a full, unsolicited, essay to the Prof on John Wick as a Western.
2 hour talk between _teachers_ where Seth shares a drink with the prof and they bring up stories "He said ZOMBIES for green..". "He doesn't know any cards before 2010!!!" stories.
Deserts are so underappreciated. Easily one of the coolest biomes that exist. Despite harsh conditions life will find a way. So cool
I've always read wastes more like what intelligent life is capable of if allowed to take too much power
As a Mojave resident I must agree
Especially since deserts can exist in multiple places. An arctic desert is a Tundra, and the Midwest is more of a Stony desert. Science!
Great place to farm sand for your Minecraft house's glass too
@@michaelcollins4534patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Richard lives in California but apparently has never been to Death Valley or Joshua Tree lol
or palm desert lol
Coming in from Wyoming/Utah. The American West is considered desert, specifically it’s called high desert.
I think you guys are overthinking Warleader. This is a specialty product to capitalize on Bloomburrow's look, so they're doing something they avoid: printing token copies. Wizard explicitly avoids putting tokens with mana costs in boosters to avoid this exact confusion, so instead they just print "copy" tokens, even if only one card in a set makes a copy and just of itself. In a token box set tho, it's clear none of the cards go in your deck, so they can print them just fine.
Exactly this
Pretty sure it's the offspring mechanic teased on the precons and will be Offspring's Revenge from Ikoria but as a keyword.
@@scaredycat3146 If a keyword makes a token copy, Wizards has it remove the mana cost, like with embalm.
@@MakeVarahHappen that's not true for spell copies though. We'll see.
Warren warleader will be a card that makes copies of itself like Scute Swarm or Pack Rat. It has a casting cost because its a copy a card with a casting cost. People are overthinking it.
Westerns take place in a variety of terrains... The American West is everything west of the Mississippi river. Plains, mountains, deserts, canyons, forests, prairies, etc. The Chihuahuan Desert is in The US and Mexico. The Mojave desert is Nevada and California. There are numerous other further north, but those are not the sandy ones you're imagining. I will be a HUGE fan of the series if they do a series of western desert artworks. Would LOVE that so much I can't even say. Just take my money :)
For the rabbit token, one card that comes to mind is pack rat. It matters in black devotuon but the token packrats have mana costs and count for devotion
I was literally yelling at the screen it’s like Pack rat, why would it be some special new mechanic it’s probably just a token copy of the card.
Crim should ask his old Professor for some help with that John Wick paper
I think Warren Warleader is part of a spin on Embalm/Eternalize where the card makes a token copy of itself with the mana value
Or squad maybe
Seth pretending like he didnt read the leaks 😂
I honestly don't think he did because usually they mention they're not gonna talk about leaks when they know about them.
For those who missed the leaks :::::(Spoilers follow):::: the creature type batch mechanic is "outlaws," which are Assassins, Mercenaries, Rogues, Warlocks and Pirates. Deserts are confirmed. The "mechanic players have been asking for" is mounts, which is a creature type. Mounts have "Saddle X" (Tap any number of other creatures you control with power X or more. This Mount becomes saddled until end of turn. Saddle only as a sorcery) and Saddled creatures get benefits like additional triggers when they attack. There's also 1/1 red Mercenary tokens with T: Target creature you control gets +1/+0 until end of turn, activate only as a sorcery. The modal ability might be "Plot" -- You may pay %PlotCost% and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.
@@jackl8025Idk why you felt the need to post this. Anyone who wanted to could look it up or ask.
This was probably recorded before maybe
@jackl8025 the modal ability is "Spree". You can pay one or more additional costs to gain additional effects.
I’ve been watching mtg content for like 2 years and played through the 90s and I still can’t remember the names of the color combos
The color combos? I'm assuming that you mean the guild names. They weren't around in the 90s. That was a mid 2000s thing so it makes sense that you wouldn't know them lol. 😂
@@Xoulrath_ and then the 3 color combos didn't show up until even later with Alara and then Tarkir
@@evaman0182 Yeah but you’d think after watching mtg goldfish and nizzahon every week for like 2 years something would’ve stuck in my old head by now. But the only ones I can remember are Dimir and Grixis and I don’t even know which one Grixis is 🤦♂️
@@muddlewait8844 🤣
OK well watching recent Magic content would expose you to them, but not playing them and using them yourself is different than just hearing them in my opinion.
The 2 color guilds are a little more egregious given that we are currently on the Return to the Return to the Return to the Return of Ravnica, but the 3 color groups are more reasonable to forget. I always get ally/enemy pairs wrong myself unless I'm looking at the back of a card.
Could you imagine the gun issue was solved by just depicting all the characters doing finger guns??
And the big bad guy just has really big fingers!
Don't have to imagine, I played the first 'Tales from the Borderlands.'
That trivia was super fun!! Please do more (:
Congrats on your win on TCC Crim! Loved seeing you there!
Buy Phil a cowboy hat! Also the best Western was No Country for Old Men.
Seth acting like we haven’t seen the new party mechanic leak
It's not as we haven't, but as he didn't. They explicitly said they don't look over leaks
@@FilippoCampanathey talked about Holy Cow in a previous podcast.
Hype for Bloomburrow! We're getting new squirrels!
Token simply becoming another supertype for a permanent makes perfect sense, and actually brings pre-existing mechanics more into parity with each other without creating rulings issues.
I spent my childhood at redwall abbey so I am crazy pumped for bloomburrow.
I'm also not a fan of the looneytunes direction in general. It's not just Thunder Junction, seems like they decided to make everything family friendly with too many jokes and puns. Some people say magic always had silly comic relief cards but they were also far and few between.
The biggest difference between old magic and new magic is that they used to take the MTG world, planes, story and characters more seriously. And that wasn't a bad thing. In fact that's what made magic cool for most of us growing up. It was dark, violent, mature and badass. If I was 12-14 today, I'm not sure I would feel the same attraction for MTG that I felt in the 90s.
A couple of things that came to mind while listening...
1. Wizards literally put guns in the fallout set so there should be no issue with them here
2. The wanted poster designs for the cards is so vastly superior to the dossier look from MKM. In fact, this design is closer to what I was hoping the case file cards would look like than they ended up looking. The dossier cards looked like the test cards from mystery boosters.
3. I get that the "Western has big hats" is pretty gimmicky but I have to imagine thats close to what other countries think of when they imagine Wild West America
8:08 maybe mounting, you get horses that can't attack unless it's mounted by another humanoid creature and can only be blocked by other mounted horses, flyers, and walls maybe?
Richard is back. Thumbs up
49:52 was there when Crim said this! I thought he was just hard trolling! His team got 0 pts in the entire game but was the most fun
Party isn't a good example of batching - think more along the lines of "Historic" which grouped sagas, artifacts and legends and let cards refer to all of those elegantly. So an Outlaw batch would be something like - "Target creature gains indestructible until end of turn. If it's an Outlaw it also gets +2/+0 until end of turn."
The reason the western set doesn't hit right is exactly what Richard said. It's a western with all of the Villains of MTG. It should be dark, brutal, and lawless, but it's treated like some silly place where wacky shenanigans are going down. Thunder Junction should be a really messed up place. Wotc told us we're getting a sea food buffet and then showed up with pile of filet'o fish. Bloomburrow seems cool because the design team has seemingly bought into the core of the world and it feels like they are treating the premise with respect.
29:27 Couldn't it be a creature that has "When Warren Warleader ETBs, if it's not a token, create a token that's a copy of it. (The copy includes mana cost.)" Then it could also have the other text
the guys were saying some CRAZY shit about this token copy, we have literally already had this with the squad ability on 40k and fallout commander cards
@@Dom9606 Yeah, way more likely to have Squad 2 or something!
Don't forget Aave.
1:00:00 whos gonna tell Richard modern action movies directly evolved from westerns and that spaghetti westerns are named that because they were made by Italian immigrants and what they imagined the wild west to be
I'm really lookin' forward to those cowboy hats on Commander Clash, pardners. 🤠
I seriously don’t understand the lack of hype, this is my anticipated set of the year because it’s the only new genre explored. We already had Ravnica, horror, and fairy tale sets before, Thunder Junction is new
Card like Tie Down (rope tying), has to be blue and reads tap creature, this creature doesn’t entrap on their next endstep, just a thought for a card
I thought that Wizards defined two iconic creature types per colour, a big and a small. W: human, U: merfolk, B: zombie, R: goblin, G: elf.
YES thank you. This was driving me nuts. There's an iconic big creature type, used for the quiz, and then an iconic small creature type that goes in typal decks. Elf Lords are green, Merfolk Lords are blue, etc.
whats the big creature types?
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305W: angels, U: sphynges, B: demons, R: dragons, G: hydras
So hyped for OTJ! Can't wait to play the new Fblthp!
Maybe an effect where you win the game at a specific time or turn? The bank closes at 12 p.m. sharp. The train to Yuma leaves at 3:10 p.m.
As no one seems to have stated this yet, there actually is a card that makes a 1/1 token with banding.
27:40 I think this will be the reproduce mechanic, where you can spend mana to put a token into play because the animals made some sweet lovin
In regards to the rabbit token, could it be something like squad from the Warhammer decks? That makes token copies of the squad card, seems somewhat flavorful as well
42:28 Bad Moon 🎉 ALPHA. first anthem ❤❤
Batching is also "Historic", which was just "these three things trigger the effect".
As we figured out on jake and joel.... And easy way to remember outlaws by the acronym WARM P
pretty sure the OG Blue archetype creature was Serpent And green was Wyrm for some reason over the years this has been changed, while the other 3 colors remain the same.
"Old Henry" is a movie I can recommend if someone's looking for "John Wick + Western" style movie. came out in 2021 and is an indie production, but really well made. simple premise/story, but believable and the action is good.
The fun thing about Drain Life is that X spells *did* exist. Fireball was in the same set.
Desert basically just means that the amount of precipitation is below a certain threshold. Lots of places in the western and south western US fits the definition. Technically speaking most of Antarctica is a desert.
Watching,bhow Seth totally wrecks Crim with the questions and giving Richard the easy ones very reminds me of the SNL Skit with zhe Game of Thrones Quit Show
You should totally give it a try 😊
The ProTour expanding is healthy for the game. Make it unlimited. First come/serve= to event space and bump late qualifiers to the next available event. More players want to be champs/pros is the mindset you should want.
first come first.serve seems like a bad idea
@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Equal to event space. So we're not turning away people when there's play space available.
Dear Diary, SEMPAI NOTICED ME! (Thanks for answering the question! Y'all are the best!)
The Iconic types are a wotc intern term for "the big fancy timmy creature emblematic of a color, usually at rare/mythic". Yes, exactly the Intro Pack face card kind of thing. This has historically been causing confusion with the Iconic Masters set, being designed around those and less around what the community expected in terms of "iconic cards". What Crim was thinking of is the small, common counterpart, the "characteristic creature type". Both of those are a bit muddy, seeing how most colors have more than one characteristic type, e.g. Black's zombies and vampires, White's Humans and soldiers... The Iconics are more clear, although Sphinxes are a lot newer to the game in this role than Angels and Dragons, they replaced the Leviathan Sea Monster chaos. Demons were there since Alpha but had in between been faded out for Horrors in the 90s for a bit, and Green's Iconic Type NOW is mostly Hydras, but definitely was Wurms 15 years ago when they invented this.
John Wick, I think, counts as a "modern western".
I'm kinda torn, John Wick himself is definitely a western hero, highly skilled, stoic, strong moral code but operates outside the law but all the mafia, secret society stuff kinda keeps me from fully calling it a western
Crim's leap to a "token zone" is a little weird to me, neat, but weird - - I agree with his second thought: Couldn't this just be a token that gets generated by another card? Clone/copy tokens exist. We already have examples of semi-clone/copy tokens in things like Embalm or cards that make copies of themselves when they enter/attack/whatever. So . . . Couldn't this just be that? It seems like it's pretty purposeful that they made ONLY this card's token, making me believe it's a specific card that creates just this token.
The rabbit token could be something made by a creature with 'squad' or a similar ability :)
Mox monkey still 7s decent in powdered cubes, and a staple sideboard card in pauper. Maybe even okay in grindy vintage sideboards, idk.
Captain tickles is Doom whisperer!
I totally think the bloomburrow token thing is something like embalm or eternalize. Maybe a mechanic that turn normal creature into animals
Damn, Richard doesn't know what a desert is?? wow.
I think the offspring mechanic will be something like “if you control two creatures with the same name, tap them and make a copy of one of them. The token is a 1/1”
I agree with the Cowboy hat thing, not because I think it is a fun theme but as someone who started wearing a (not cowboy, but wide brimed) hat last year, I think people should bring proper actual hats (not just crappy Fedoras and baseball hats) back.
A return of Liars would be cool and i would prefer that to deserts. Imagine lairs as the outlaws hideouts would be epic.
My dumbass thought Spheres and Locus at first. Lol
@casteanpreswyn7528 Yeah, well, lairs are worse tri lands that enter untapped but bounce another land or sac themselves, so really, they are completely unplayable to the point most people don't know they exist.
On the 'is John Wick a western' discussion; modern settings can definitely be considered a western, but I'm not sure i would consider John Wick a western. Something like No Country For Old Men comes to mind.
How with Crim feel when Duskmourn is actually Bloomburrow after being corrupted by some force?
Richard...
Westerns take place in the Sonoran Desert, accross Arizona, New Mexico, Mexico and Texas. Not LA and grasslands (though they do have enough water to grow a little grass)
Talk about common magic slang that people outside of the niche don't immediately get: I had someone ask me "What are you licking the fucking cards?!" When they overheard me talking about the flavor of a deck recently.
I just want it stated for the record that Crim knew the party creature types :D
Crusade was the first Anthem and Bad Moon
I'm guessing the Warren Warleader is a copy of a guard that says the copy doesn't have the copy ability. Although, if this is true, it's bad flavor, because everyone being a leader doesn't really work.
John Wick being western is wicked:p
Richard “who’s gonna play planeswalker, artifact, enchantment?” Seth *smirks* “this week on against the odds…”
I mean, narratively speaking, John wick is kind of a western, right?
It's more of a Greek tragedy with Western influences. Everybody is awful, nobody is happy, and everyonenis fighting against each other. Lol
John Wick fitting the stereotypical romantic hero stuck to his ideals fighting for what he believes in, protecting his family, showdowns and fights and themes of justice and redemption. Its a Western if it were set in the modern day. I think it qualifies lmao
Funny enough a lot of spaghetti westerns were shot in Italy, so I guess they really aren't shot in a "desert" 😂
@8:00 I could see clash being a thing, like duel. @15:06 it didn't say keyword, so its just an ability that hasn't been on tokens could be so much stuff.
I really like seeing brand new planes but I feel like riffing media references too much makes them feel a bit shallow and more like a 'skin' then a setting.
This is why I love original ravnica, kaladesh, ixalan and mirrodin for example, I think they are actually quite evocative and realised.
To the token thing: look at "goldmeadow lookout" from future sight and "goldmeadow harrier"
I think the warleader tokens could be similar to Lessons. What made companions broken is that you could conjure them at any time. But for lessons you need to draw and cast a card with learn, then you can grab a lesson from sideboard.
So I could see a 2 mana bear that conjures a "token" to your hand on etb. But then they'd be cards and not actual tokens... 😅
Maybe we need a skeleton Planeswalker to make an emblem that does that.
I feel like with bloom burrow they are going to make tokens matter a lot more, since tokens are usually small creatures it makes sense. Maybe this creature is a sort of leader of the tokens, so therefore he has a mana value, probably gets created from a sorcery. I imagine we will also have legendary token creatures to lead our token commander decks
There are a few ways to make "token creature commanders", awaken the blood avatar, minsc and boo, the azorious guy with enbalm,...
I pulled a Crim! 😂
This just in, gangs coming to MTG.
Also, really hoping for a Rango crossover of some kind with this set.
Ayeb It's a gang Instead of a party 😂. Also Seth could be right about the quickdraw,, mabe if you play it as your first spell each turn
How about Cowboy Bebop, Crim?!
if there was an anime version of these cowboy cards Crim would like Westerns 100x more
A place to stay for the night when travelling?
Seth: @9:53
The token has a MV because the warleader card, has the ability to make a copy of itself, so it copies with the MV of the card. And probably the copy doesnt have the ability to copy itself ("the copy doesnt have this ability")
I agree with Richard that spoiling Bloomburrow pretty much neutered any interest in MtG Cowboys. As an aside, Errand of Duty is an instant from Alliances that creates a 1/1 Knight token with Banding.
See, it had the opposite effect on me. Bloomburrow is a less interesting version of Eldraine to me, so the idea of a western set seems way cooler in comparison.
If I wanted Disney characters in Magic, I'd just play Lorcana.
Token added to your hand. They do it in Hearthstone so I can see it happening here
The token looks like it could be conjure, but in paper
trivia is cool
What if the new mechanic is token to hand. Etb make a warleaders token in your hand that can be cast then for its cost.
Am I a huge neckbeard for having 100% on your trivia quiz
About the token - guys COPY tokens have mana cost and a lot of text sometimes.
The mechanic they’re finally making is probably clash.
Mounting. Like banding, but different. Like, you "mount" one creature on another
Close. Mounts get bonuses when mounted.
I think the warleader token is going to be made by something like Squad