A six year old prodigy would embarrass an adult who never played. But i get the point he was making just saying as someone who played all his child hood. Of course of Morj decides to two foot tackle the kid things would be different.
@@AbuOmar Lol, no a six year old prodigy would not. No matter what, that six year old will not be fast enough enough to outrun a grown man while attempting to get close enough to shoot into a soccer net. 🤣🤣🤣
its clear that oda made the title of "strongest swordsman" to be a unique feat of strength that is separate from being "king of the pirates." its a way to give the spot light to zoro without taking anything away from luffy
It would've been cool to get some history lesson or lore on the title: Who was the first one, who was the previous wilder, for how long has it been a thing and so on. And more people trying to take Mihawk down other than Zoro.
The whole thing is obviously meant as a gag, we already confirmed that Mihawk refuse to fight the disabled when he refused to fight shanks and so now that Zoro is missing an eye Mihawk wont fight him.
To be fair, I never read that haki isn't part of swordsmanship, it was always about Conqueror Haki and how advanced Conqueror Haki may manipulate weather or be used as a fighting style itself towards the end. That they just turn haki off altogether would make no sense and I haven't seen anyone argue it. Whenever I see those Haki discussions it usually is only about advanced CoC and how it may be opening entirely different fighting styles by itself (which then comes in folks like Roger, Rayleigh and Shanks as presumed Conqueror Haki specialists).
@@randomguy4989 Even that argument though i have no idea where it started. When was it stated that Shanks is a haki specialist? Or is it just headcannon born of a hive mind?
Well I tried to reply with links but it seems my messages got hidden away again (maybe due to the links). Possibly there will be the same reply appearing multiple times now lol. I picked the example of WB saying Shanks was a man with haki at its full force and SBS 65 with Oda picking Rayleigh and Shanks as examples of people who would have been able to knock out all the fishmen on FI compared to Luffy.
I think a huge flaw of the arguments against Mihawk is the fact that people ignore that there is probably NOT an official "strongest swordsman commitee" in the world that gives out the title. It is simply something earned via recognition or maybe even sensational media like Luffys emperor title. Basically, if people accept you as the title holder, you are the title holder. And everyone, without any outliers, just accepts Mihawk as the one. What is my point? My point is that there is no such thing as techniques that would not be appropriate in a swordsfight. If Big Mom beat up Mihawk and she mostly used her devil fruit but she also used her sword, the world would see it as "The strongest swordsman was beaten!" and that's it. Simple as that. There is also no sort of haki technique that could ever exist that has no place in a swordsfight because the large majority of the world won't care and Mihawk would definitely not be a sore loser and start acting up like "Hey that's unfair! No haki spirit bombs allowed in a swordsfight! :( " If Mihawk lost to Shanks with Shanks using some super haki that has nothing to do with swordfighting, Shanks gets the title because he still beat Mihawk in a fight while using a sword. The population won't care about the technicalities. That is very important. The people of the One Piece world won't go into the technicalities and semantics. They will simply take it as "Mihawk was beaten in a swordsfight." and thats it! So my point is, I also dislike the simplistic argument of "Mihawk must beat anyone that is holding a sword." just because that is too simple to explain the issue. The real argument here is that Mihawk should be able to beat people that use swords in conjunction with other OP abilities simply because the people of the world would not accept his title anymore if he was beaten, no matter if Big Mom used Zeus. She still beat him. So yeah, Mihawk needs to be capable to beat those kinds of people for his title to actually be serious business. Or else Mihawk just has the title because he was lucky enough to never fight Big Mom. I hope you understand my point here cause I am using the exact same logic you used. If Big Mom beat Mihawk in a fight using her sword, the world won't care about the details and Big Mom now has the title. There is noone to enforce the "rules of a swordsfight" in One Piece so there are no rules beyond using a sword in a fight. So yeah, i actually believe Mihawk has to be stronger than any given person using swordsmanship in conjunction with other op stuff or else his title would only be his because he was lucky enough to never face Big Mom and he would really be a fraud. But since he is Zoros dream, there is no way he is a fraud. So his title must be 100% foolproof legit, meaning there is no eventuality under which someone could snag his title. Meaning Big Mom could not just kill him and then claim the title, telling the world she used her sword and the world has no way to disprove her since her sword is a prominent part of her fighting anyways. I think I made my point very clear, but feel free to argue even though I think there is nothnig to argue here unless you believe Mihawk to be a fraud.
@@darshananand4480 i just joking about how people keep pestering others about "Yonko Commander Level" or "Vice Admiral Level" not meaning anything because the characters with these titles vary in strength, i ran with your joke
Asking AND answering the real questions here. This is why I am subscribed. I too was wondering if I am better than a 6 year old, but unfortunately I am not allowed around schools anymore...
I’m just sitting over here wondering how Riku Dold and Nefertari Cobra thought it would be a good idea to make an enemy out of a Yonko-level swordsman instead of provisionally letting him keep Warlord status.
It’s morels imo the dangers of entities allying themselves with as unruly a group as pirates, especially considering the ramifications left by a Crocodile and a Doffy. Not sure why that needed explaining, Mihawk is a legend and chaotic neutral kind of character it’s not as if they specifically thought “ no more Mihawk”.
@@acetofresh1 If WG was smart...they would have treated / prosecuted each and every warlord differently. Putting all the warlords under the same umbrella is a breach of human rights. That's why we have due process in our real world.....even if 4/7 warlords were curropt...it still makes no sense to try and anger the other 3/7. What's even more fucked up...is there is not a sinlge advantage of putting mihawk in crosshairs. 1. Shows nothing to the general public....he's seen as a reserved legend who never bullied any kingdom. capturing him does not boost any morale nor does it give any assurance. When you capture mihawk...u only get mihawk...the crime neither goes up nor down in the world. 2. You will waste resources trying to capture him..resources of the highest order....feel free to risk losing an admiral. Or guarantee losing anyone weaker than an admiral u send after him. 3. He's best buddies with an emperor...conflict of interest right there . From a readers POV (as readers we are aware of every tether of plot armor each character has).....the marines just royally fucked themselves.. Even if u send all 2 admirals after him...we know for a fact that he will escape with little problems cuz mihawk has plot armor. If you send 1 admiral you are risking the admiral's life ( fortunately the admirals themselves seem sorta important to the story so they have plot armor too...but it ain't as strong as mihawk's plot armor.
Think about it. Mihawk is prideful enough to lose I terest in challenging Shanks since he lost his arm, as winning would mean nothing. Would a character that has shown prideful tendencies and understands a swordsman's pride, really be parading the title of world's greatest swordsman if it was an empty title? Mihawk was self aware enough to boast that he'd stay at the top of the world until Zoro rose to his level. He is proud in his strength. Proud enough to think Whitebeard is a good measure for him.
@@nonyabusiness366 I get what you're trying to say but the two aren't really comparable as Kidd is talking about something no one has ever done, while Mihawk is speaking on something that he currently is. He simply acknowledges that he is the strongest and gave his word to remain the strongest until Zoro can challenge him.
He didnt view himself as better than WB in order for it to be a "good measure", the way Oda portrays it is that mihawk believes himself to be weaker than WB so he wants to gauge how large the gap truly is because this may be his only chance.
@@trappyboi8678, Mihawk only heard about Whitebeard, so had no idea about the strength of the man who can destroy the world with his ability. Until the war, nobody even knew Whitebeard was massively nerfed.
@@trappyboi8678 He wanted to measure distance between them but i don't think he thinks he is weaker, and what he found out what seperates him from Whitebeard is the CREW
I feel like the Shanks Mihawk debate isn’t even about them. To me it seems like it’s about Zoro because if Mihawk is stronger or as strong as Shanks then Zoro has to reach that level too which some people don’t want. I don’t know maybe this doesn’t make sense but that’s my opinion on the whole thing.
I just assume shanks wouldnt cheat and use other than adement mostly haki against mihawk and not use his emporers haki. Observation, does count too as swordfights i guess. But he wouldnt unfairly overpoer him with haki.
honestly idk why people even argue this like mihawk is stronger but it would be a super high diff fight and shanks is close to as strong as mihawk but at the end of the day mihawk wins
@@uncomfortabletruths7990 so if Luffy picks up a sword and uses his other techniques against the strongest swordsman Zoro and wins does that make Luffy WSS?
@@StripedJacket This is such a retarded comment.Using a sword=/=Being a swordsman.A swordsman is a warrior,who specializes in the art of the sword.Shanks already stated that he is a swordsman in his dialogue with Whitebeard.
@@StripedJacket I dont understand your comment do you think Shanks will use martial arts like kicks or shoots haki beams? If Luffy uses a sword primarily with his haki and wins against Mihawk yes he is WSS if he just holds a sword and does say red hawks or goes gear 4 that isnt swordsmanship. The whole haki argument is stupid until we see if Shanks can use conquerors haki as a fighting style. Haki is the foundation of top tier swordsmanship will Zoro having conquerors exclude him from the category
I wonder if Shanks losing his arm, was the way ODA decided to remove him from the Greatest Swordsman debate, but maintain how strong Mihawk is, while not being in the story most of the time.
@@nonyabusiness366 Oda chopped off his arm in the first chapter, didn't he? I doubt the publishers (it would be more accurate to say editors) really had any say in what is effectively a minor plot point that still hasn't had a proper payoff yet
@@nonyabusiness366 although plothole would be a wrong term for it, but still shanks was strong back then, not as much as he is now but still, losing his hand to a seaking which was easily handled by luffy in one punch didnt made any sense
Lol any top tier fighting MIhawk right now isn’t turning off any of their powers to beat him. They are using whatever is in their Arsenal to obtain victory. I think Shanks and MIhawk somewhere around the same level. I don’t think either one is some leagues above the other. MIhawk is too dangerous for anyone to hold back their true power against him. I truly hate when y’all say they won’t use Haki or Devil fruit because he a swordsman. This One Piece and from what we have seen is swordsman are some of the most dangerous people in the verse. You either go all out or die.
Yeah Shanks and Mihawk are probably roughly equally strong, at least close enough that non-all out fights won't give a decisive outcome, and since Mihawk is all about swords he's been labeled as the strongest swordsman in the world, while Shanks, who probably mixes swordfighting with other stuff, is just known to be extremely strong, just not as a pure swordsman.
@@comradecatbug5289 Yeah I also think Shanks is a top class swordsman as well or else MIhawk would never be interested in fighting him. They just close enough in power to me that any fight between them will be close
Bro. Thank you for voicing in a video what I have been trying to explain to other ppl. I don't see how anyone could argue against all the logic and perfect examples you used. This was so well thought out. Even gives hope to the Shanks lovers out there. Well done sir 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
People forget: When Mihawk trained Zoro, the main focus of the training was development of Zoro's Haki ("No alcohol until you've Mastered Haki.") Haki is a part of Swordsmanship in One Piece.
@@unknownvariable9239 In a way, Zoro defeating Mihawk is the ultimate flex.....from Mihawk. "Everyone is so utterly trash compared to me, I had to actually train someone on how to be better than me."- Godhawk.
@@koldraiynedownskayle5744 It's kind of weird that Mihawk trained Zoro. Imo it kinda of takes away the feat of Zoro defeating him eventually. Therefore, I will create a rediculous theory that Kuina will come back to life and defeat Mihawk and the final duel will be Zoro vs Kuina as it should be lol XD. And as we know in One Piece, no one actually dies unless we see it happen!
I feel like Zoro will ask to fight shanks to gain a sort of measurement of where he stands against Mihawk, not even to win or lose. Just to see whats really good as far as growth.
@Pythonn no, devil fruit doesnt matter, its not that technical, kaku called himself a swordsman, and oda clearly doesnt care because he called fujitora, a guy who can bring down meteors, a swordsman
@@goldeneaglereborn LOL, no. You're going too far off an example into a whole alternate/parallel universe. If LeBron can swim better than Phelps, then Phelps can sing better than MJ. And MJ kill more people than Attila, Genghis Khan and Hitler combined. And so on, and so on.
@@tresnonugroho6397 are you okay in the head? This is not avenger's endgame. Please rewatch the video. We can also stick to the Mr. Morj vs 6 year old example if that is easier
If Mihawk actually happens to be weaker than Shanks then all of Zoro's story is absolutely useless and both ZORO and Mihawk would be a waste of ink and writing for the last 20 years. Why even give Zoro this dream??? Why even write or create the character in the 1st place??? I'd prefer for Zoro to be killed by Kaido if Mihawk has been weaker than Shanks all along.
The sheer fact he lost his arm means Shanks is no longer the rival Mihawk so sought for the thrall of battle with imo , I think that’s the whole impetus for the story, knowing Oda. A crippled Shanks means arguably he’s destined for a successor sooner that it should be , and Mihawk for a rival. Also idk why haki isn’t swordsmanship even exists , Oden’s character and the Black Blade concepts wouldn’t make any sense if it wasn’t. Remember Law is also a swordsman as well, and it’s how he transmits his Haki.
He probably pumped so much armament into the blade it became permanent. It’s a feat literally any swordsman can do. Mihawk told zoro in his training “you can make any sword a black blade.” Meaning black just like his.
@@natedogmarik2554 its a feat literally any swordsman can do to the point that NONE ELSE HAS A PERMA BLACK BLADE except ryuma.... and guess what.... ryuma has a great grade blade which is embarrasing if u compare it not just to he only known supreme BLACK blade BUT THE STRONGEST BLADE IN THE WORLD (baratie arc) i guess you didnt watch east blue saga
I love how he intuitively knows at which point in the video Shank's fans would be seething .... :D self-aware video making at its best! ( And an adept knowledge of the fan base !) Great analysis! The sword fighting in One Piece despite given so much attention does tend to come across not that well described so super glad to see this!
I never thought that Shanks was untouchable because of his fighting power. I always thought he held overwhelming political power through his connections due to having the world's highest level of practically applied charisma, with a really deep reach into the world's powers itself. Somewhat similar to Whitebeard, but more universal and with less direct enemies. To me it felt like that to other characters, that something crazy like 50%+ of the world politically is his ally and can agree with his stance(s), so you can't make him your enemy, especially if it would make you seem like "the bad guy" politically or narratively. He can stop Marineford, because anyone who says no is risking a lot of backlash and loss. Not to mention him and his crew are still quite strong to be there in person.
I think ppl overestimate shanks' power as an individual and underestimate the power of his crew. shanks could (and probably would) lose a 1v1 against kaido or mihawk, but the redhair pirates are the strongest out of all the yonko-crews, since ben beckman, yassop, lucky roo are much stronger than the sweet generals or the calamities. This is hinted at in ch. 957. So imo the redhair pirates are overall the strongest crew rn, which makes shanks as their captain the strongest yonko, but shanks is neither the strongest individual nor the strongest swordsman. P.S. really enjoying the content. keep it up morj
I don't see there being a problem with Mihawk being stronger than Shanks and one of the strongest in the verse. He doesn't have a crew and doesn't really act like other pirates. Mihawk likely has a code which forced him into fights with the marines and others but he generally seems like he just goes about his business sailing and challenging other swordsmen or accepting challenges but being as strong as he is most people just try to avoid him, much like you would a natural disaster. If Mihawk were to go against the marines or a Yonko crew he'd lose but 1v1 against a Yonko or Admiral he may well come out on top, and since he doesn't go around causing trouble he wouldn't have a Yonko level bounty but the name recognition is there.
At the start of the war, Mihawk wondered what was the distance between somebody like him and Whitebeard. People shit on him because Jozu came to block his attack, but that was the philosophical answer. Mihawk can't reach Whitebeard because he has countless loyal crew member ready to fight for him and get in the way. Later in the war, Mihawk see a similar ability in Luffy and call it the most terrifying power. Oda made a pretty good job at putting a spotlight on Mihawk's weakness and explaining why he's ultimately "weaker" than the Yonko. Then every power scaler on earth missed the point and started downplaying his individual strength...
@@Ryzen776 yeah Oda said there is no perfect character and mihawk weakness is he's a solo character, but in 1v1 situation he's one of the best if not the best.
I place Mihawk as the WSS alongside Roger and Ryuma. If Shanks is as strong or stronger than Mihawk after losing is dominant arm, that would greatly diminish the narrative weight of his sacrifice for Luffy. That wouldn't even be a sacrifice, but an equivalent exchange for greater power. for him to have lost out on potential strength makes much more sense logically and narratively.
Morj, what do you think about the possibility of advanced conquerer’s being some form of weather manipulation? I think Roger’s battle vs Shiki is a strong hint towards this. Some other hints toward this could be how when Yonkos clash the skies split and it could also be Dragon’s true powers. Also back in East Blue, Mihawk visited Shanks on a random island to tell him about Luffy’s first bounty. At first, the skies were cloudy and dark and Shanks was in a bad mood. When he found out about Luffy’s bounty, he got happy and the sun came out. In general, controlling the weather really goes along with the idea of being a king or a conquerer. I’ve had this theory for awhile and haven’t seen many people talk about this. Lmk what y’all think and thumbs it up so Morj can see pls :)
This was really a fun video to watch. Ur sarcasm is rooftop level.Morj had perfect arguments for both sides while debunking the trash arguments. I thought shanks was stronger at first but saying shanks> mihawk involves usage of crazy headcannon. Mihawk being stronger is the obvious conclusion from cannon material. If we see kameheha and other ridiculous things then it's a different discussion. Till then....
I'mma just say,Mihawk doesn't have a crew...to me that means a lot. That means in any scenario it's Mihawk vs whoever. So to me I think it's talking about in a 1v1 battle.
I know this is over a year old, but I also find it interesting that the vivre card says Mihawk is waiting for someone stronger than Shanks, implying only someone stronger than Shanks can beat him.
I feel like is not the same thing using a sword to be a swordsman. If you ask shanks what are you he is saying a pirate, if you do the same question to mihawk he is saying a swordsman (most likely and depending on the context) pd. f*ck just saw the video and morj already convienced me my statement above is not actually true.
I mean it technically is it's just not that relevant when it comes to the discussion regarding The Strongest Swordsman If you ask them what they are they're probably going to answer that with a laugh
I think it's pretty simple : - Mihawk wins in a pure Yoru vs Gryphon fight - Shanks wins if punches, kicks, pistols, throwing rocks, etc... are also allowed
I think where people get hung up is that there is very little, to nothing in terms of visual evidence that has shown Mihawk to not only be stronger than the Yonkou in terms of swordplay, but also the Marines, other than his title. Even something as little as clashing with Whitebeard or an Admiral or even a flashback with some of his feats (since Oda's clearly waiting to show him fighting Shanks) would have gone a long way I think
Great analysis as always! On the topic of advanced haki techniques that have no place in a swordfight, it does seem rather interesting that Rayleigh and Shanks, both living swordsmen that are generally considered to be stronger than Mihawk, are confirmed to have conqueror's haki.
@@kwtbeats calling someone a hack / fraud is not "hating" or "Jealousy". Unless ofcourse the commenter knows KOL in person and is still calling him that...we don't know each other personally apart from the things what we chose to put out on RUclips.
MIhawk should be stronger than Shanks based on what we know of the story. Shank's hype has a lot to do with portrayal and personal biased. if Shanks turns out to be stronger it is what it is, but for now I have Mihawk. Good ass vid
I think when people have the Mihawk vs Shanks discussion/debate they get carried away by powerscaling, headcannon and their personal desires/agendas so they forget the essence of how One Piece as a story has been fleshed out by Oda. At the end of the day what is most important is Zoro achieving his dream, how he goes about doing that is what the focus should be on.
World's greatest swordsman means exactly what it says. I can't wait to see everyone's faces when they reveal how strong Mihawk actually is. During his time, Whitebeard was the world's strongest man, just as Mihawk is currently the strongest of all swordspersons in One Piece during his time and yeah, that includes Shanks.
@@cooljo5881 he is not yonko level. He is admiral level. If he was yonko level he should have showed something like what whitebeard has shown in marine ford war. But instead mihawk got stopped by every possible commsnfer with ease dead in his tracks. So no. Not a yonko. But he must be admiral level
there are only two flaws with what you said morj, that in zoro's journey to become the world's strongest swordsman has fought characters who are devil fruit users and swordsmen, and also the advanced techniques of haki do apply to swordsmanship, we literally saw the force field haki in the clash between roger and whitebeard
This is the dumbest comment I've seen today. The title is literally strongest/mightiest swordsman in the world not skillest. wtf?? are you even paying attention? That's like saying whitebeard is the most skilled man in the world. 🤣🤣🤣
It doesn't matter what abilities someone has outside of swordsmanship. Oda showed in ch 16 that no abilities a swordsman possesses can exclude them from being a swordsman. Whether it's haki or a devil fruit. Projectiles or elemental breath attacks. They're still swordsman. The only exception are those who cannot distinguish between what they want to cut, and what they do not want to cut, characters such as Big Mom. Because, as Mihawk says, without subtlety a sword is but an iron bar.
I can generally accept all of Morj’s arguments, however I will say as a separate issue that shanks haki is probably better than Mihawks, and Mihawks swordsmanship is probably better than shanks even before losing an arm. That said, I do wonder if oda himself even understands this own power scaling in this regard. What does it really mean to be a swordsman in one piece? And how does being the strongest at swordsmanship specifically play out when there’s other forms of combat that are utilized in this verse? And how does this play out in a situation where you also have a character like shanks, whom is only ever portrayed to engage in combat with a sword but is also supposed to be stronger than Mihawk because of the narrative. Oda could’ve literally avoided this confusion by making shanks fight the same way Garp does. Then there’s no question that mihawk is a better swordsman because shanks wouldn’t even use a sword. We literally could have a situation where shanks haki is so fucking powerful, he essentially grows an arm of haki and uses it to fight. I doubt anyone would question he has the best haki then.
Agree that oda literally doesn’t care about the confusion he created with shanks and mihawk and probably doesn’t have a good answer for it I’m sure if someone asked oda about Mihawk vs shanks and oda had to answer seriously that he would be confused because literally no answer makes sense them being equal doesn’t make sense Minawk losing doesn’t make sense for his title shanks losing doesn’t makes sense for his portrayal that is greater than Mihawk oda just created this plot hole that could be avoided by giving shanks a devil fruit or a different weapon then a sword or like morj suggested giving shanks haki powers that are beyond swordsmanship But I disagree about growing an arm with haki that’s ridiculous because replacing a limb is only possible with either a mech limb or a devil fruit
Imagine shanks vs mihawk as lebron vs steph curry, mihawk is the best swordsman and steph is the best three point shooter, just because lebron would win in a one v one basketball doesn’t mean he becomes the best three point shooter, such as shanks would beat mihawk in a 1v1 does not mean shanks is the best swordsman. Steph=mihawk , lebron=shanks
How is this a debate? Mihawk literally has the title as the strongest 🤔🤨 he's also the only swordsman alive who owns a black blade that is entirely his own.
People forget that a part of shank's portrayal and what distinguishes him from mihawk is a high level crew and territories and allies, u think if shanks came alone in the war he'll be able to stop it? It was stated he had the most balanced crew. I think mihawk and shanks are like kuzan and akainu merely equal but at the end mihawk wins
I've always read into the "Shanks is a haki master" argument as being more that Shanks could lose his sword and still attempt to fight Mihawk with Haki and physical strength alone where for Mihawk losing his sword would mean he's completely fucked. One of the first things we learned about characters who specialize in swordplay is that they're significantly weaker without their swords (it was a central plot point of Zoro's introduction arc.)
He would definitely be weakened (and might even lose) but he wouldn't be COMPLETED fucked. He's still adept at haki in his own right plus No-Sword Style is a thing.
How was it a central point when Zoro was tied up the entire time and got his sword as soon as he was released. Swordsmen are still physically powerful experienced fighters in addition to whatever Haki they learned. Losing their sword doesn't make them weak in the slightest.
@@Shark-hn4mv I think you’re going to far. I agree that any powerful Haki user can still fight without their swords. They will still be able to punch and kick etc. However, saying that they won’t get weaker in the slightest is just delusional. Swordsman train and hone their skills especially with a sword, all of their most powerful attacks require a sword to use. Not having swords means they can no longer use their strongest attacks. Zoro is stronger than Sanji. If they fought and Zoro doesn’t have his swords do you think Zoro will still beat Sanji?
@@empiricalpurity i know this is 8 month old but He said it won't make them weak as in they won't just instantly become weak not that they wouldn't become weaker
Definitely understand the concept better now, it's like saying Mihawk is most likely stronger up close with sword range but Shanks is so well rounded both close and long ranged that he is overall a stronger pirate. it's all about versatility in battle
Except that doesn't work. Shanks uses a sword, Oda calls him a swordsman, and in film red the only thing he fights with is a sword. This doesn't even take into consideration how Mihawk can send large slashes for miles without using any named attacks. Y'all got to stop the mental gymnastics. Shanks is below Mihawk. Stop searching for loopholes that don't exist.
@@Shark-hn4mv it's really to early to say he only uses a sword in combat when you're using a non canon movie to base how Shanks fights and using non named moves to show he has range just means he can use range but it isn't exactly his strongest distance, the same way Star Platinum can get very far but is strongest at close range The theory still holds true but honestly not bothered if it gets proven wrong or anything since we haven't seen them both fight properly
This is actially pretty simple, shanks is probably like rayleigh in fighting style, rayleigh kicked kizaru before using his sword against him, mihawk would never use a kick he'd only use his sword but i can imagine shanks using kicks and other strikes, like mcgregor.
This is a Shounen. It's simple. Whoever has named attacks with a sword is a swordsman. Whoever uses it as a primary weapon is a swordsman. Kaku used kicks yet he called himself a swordsman but Big Mom uses a sword an punches yet does not call herself one so we automatically disqualify her as being such? It seems like a stupid argument to have. Roger, Shanks, Mihawk, Oden, Scabbards, Rayleigh, Big Mom, Law, Hawkins even Whitebeard is a swordsman because his blade is a Supreme Grade one. There's no debate to be had here.
So far, I’ve only seen two people that train their Haki with PVE methods: Green Horn and Shanks. Green Horn likes to fast which puts a huge burden on your body and mental state. Shanks likes to camp in harsh climates like a snowy mountain, dry and hot climate (where mihawk told shanks about meeting Luffy).
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*Morj gets picked over 6 year old.*
"I believe the soccer tournament will end in failure"
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This comment is goated lmaooooooo
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@@adarshsridhar6051 Eh, Soccer is a UK term so its valid
I have the feeling that Morj once lost a soccer game against a 6 year old.
no. Morj was the 6 year old who lost a soccer game against an adult.
@@Tommy0140 either way someone lost pretty hard
@@Tommy0140 Morj's tragic backstory
It was a 7yo. So now he’s like “well I can still beat a 6yo!”
“i’m just gonna win, i’m an adult.” - Morj 2021
Lol that don't apply to kids who play chess, i lost countless times to a 9years old kid
@@MarceloB maybe you just trash (just kidding, I seen it myself plenty of times)
@@MarceloB Well yea, abstract problem solving doesn't particularly get better or worse with age.
@@MarceloB It's literally about soccer here bro
why did i read that in a crying zoro voice lol
Who wants to arrange the Morj vs six year old soccer prodigy 1v1?
A six year old prodigy would embarrass an adult who never played. But i get the point he was making just saying as someone who played all his child hood. Of course of Morj decides to two foot tackle the kid things would be different.
I guess morj needs to emphasize what he meant by "Intuitively"
@@AbuOmar Lol, no a six year old prodigy would not. No matter what, that six year old will not be fast enough enough to outrun a grown man while attempting to get close enough to shoot into a soccer net. 🤣🤣🤣
@KO TV Yes, I've played soccer before.
@Stunify Except syrup village arc. 🐐 arc
its clear that oda made the title of "strongest swordsman" to be a unique feat of strength that is separate from being "king of the pirates." its a way to give the spot light to zoro without taking anything away from luffy
I would be kinda poetic if Roger was both PK and WSS. It would take both Luffy and Zoro to surplant him.
It would've been cool to get some history lesson or lore on the title: Who was the first one, who was the previous wilder, for how long has it been a thing and so on. And more people trying to take Mihawk down other than Zoro.
@@patrikrathousky5791 I have a feeling that Roger or Rayleigh were the strongest swordsmen before Mihawk
You're wrong and here's why
@@patrikrathousky5791 Aye I fuck with that idea
Why it feels like morj was talking a six year old he knows, and just was picking on him
Plot twist: the six-year-old was himself when he was six. Easily explains how he'd be so certain he could best the kid in a soccer match.
“I’m just gonna win. I’m an adult.” - Morj
This is the kind of content I subscribe to
11:28
me:"thats the most reasonable headcannon i can see"
morj:" this is probably the worst headcannon"
me:"Yeah! stupid isn't it?"
Hahahaha I felt so betrayed 😂 didnt know he was gonna shit on it so hard!
To be honest, I thought the worst headcannon was that Shanks surpassed Mihawk after losing his arm, yet Mihawk didn't get any stronger.
But that headcannon is really worst and unreasonable 🤣
The worst headcannon is that Chopper's next transformation will be to turn into a literal Chopper, a Heli-Chopper, or also called as rudolph mode.
@@henrypeters5291 It's not actually that bad knowing what advanced conquerers haki can do in combination with advanced armament haki.
Morj seeing a random 6 years old playing soccer be like:
"Hey, I'm a better soccer player than you"
I actually pictured that in my head... 🤣🤣🤣
Mihawk Stans: Mihawk is stronger.
Shanks Stans: Shanks is stronger.
Mr. Morj: *I have come to end this war*
A Shanks line, therefore Shanks wins.
Morj: Who cares! I'm better soccer player than 6 year old
This debate is getting serious. the characters better live up to all of this hype, it better be epic as usual.
The very very strongest plays
@@Tethloach1 pretty sure Shanks is fucking him up in an actual fight
Imagine if Mihawk replaced his banal sword with Funkfreed, his power would become pachydermic
Ah, yes, the secret Ultra Supreme Grade Sword - Funkfreed
There aren’t enough likes on this comment.
Funkfreed's Conquerors Haki could be a bit too much for Mihawk though
But *can* he coat an elephant in haki? Probably, though that's a level of intimacy that's on a whole nother level.
It's obviously Yozaku. His only weakness is scurvy
yup he wins,,,,,,,,,,by a hair
Stop trolling jesus christ,Yosaku lost to Cannon D. Ball, son of God Usopp way way back in Baratie
@@choppergamer trolling this is head canon fun lol
@@pomaimoikeha829 no,this is completely serious powerscaling
@@choppergamer Cannon doesn't use sword it doesn't count
The whole thing is obviously meant as a gag, we already confirmed that Mihawk refuse to fight the disabled when he refused to fight shanks and so now that Zoro is missing an eye Mihawk wont fight him.
Then that means the zoro eye theory must be correct
@@PP-kx9ec whats that theory
@@Mr_Slayer-mt5rj the theory is that Zoro's left eye with the scar is basically a sharingan when he opens it
Zoro sharingan theory is a meme
@@PP-kx9ec obviously it’s a meme . Zoro won’t have sharingan he’s gonna have the rinne-sharingan. It’s quite obvious idk how people don’t get that.
The "haki isn't part of swordsmanship" argument was one of the dumbest thing i read on reddit
To be fair, I never read that haki isn't part of swordsmanship, it was always about Conqueror Haki and how advanced Conqueror Haki may manipulate weather or be used as a fighting style itself towards the end. That they just turn haki off altogether would make no sense and I haven't seen anyone argue it. Whenever I see those Haki discussions it usually is only about advanced CoC and how it may be opening entirely different fighting styles by itself (which then comes in folks like Roger, Rayleigh and Shanks as presumed Conqueror Haki specialists).
@@randomguy4989 Even that argument though i have no idea where it started. When was it stated that Shanks is a haki specialist?
Or is it just headcannon born of a hive mind?
hAkImAn
Say them buggy is strongest sword men if Haki is not part of it
Well I tried to reply with links but it seems my messages got hidden away again (maybe due to the links). Possibly there will be the same reply appearing multiple times now lol. I picked the example of WB saying Shanks was a man with haki at its full force and SBS 65 with Oda picking Rayleigh and Shanks as examples of people who would have been able to knock out all the fishmen on FI compared to Luffy.
I think a huge flaw of the arguments against Mihawk is the fact that people ignore that there is probably NOT an official "strongest swordsman commitee" in the world that gives out the title. It is simply something earned via recognition or maybe even sensational media like Luffys emperor title. Basically, if people accept you as the title holder, you are the title holder. And everyone, without any outliers, just accepts Mihawk as the one.
What is my point? My point is that there is no such thing as techniques that would not be appropriate in a swordsfight. If Big Mom beat up Mihawk and she mostly used her devil fruit but she also used her sword, the world would see it as "The strongest swordsman was beaten!" and that's it. Simple as that.
There is also no sort of haki technique that could ever exist that has no place in a swordsfight because the large majority of the world won't care and Mihawk would definitely not be a sore loser and start acting up like "Hey that's unfair! No haki spirit bombs allowed in a swordsfight! :( "
If Mihawk lost to Shanks with Shanks using some super haki that has nothing to do with swordfighting, Shanks gets the title because he still beat Mihawk in a fight while using a sword.
The population won't care about the technicalities. That is very important. The people of the One Piece world won't go into the technicalities and semantics. They will simply take it as "Mihawk was beaten in a swordsfight." and thats it!
So my point is, I also dislike the simplistic argument of "Mihawk must beat anyone that is holding a sword." just because that is too simple to explain the issue.
The real argument here is that Mihawk should be able to beat people that use swords in conjunction with other OP abilities simply because the people of the world would not accept his title anymore if he was beaten, no matter if Big Mom used Zeus. She still beat him.
So yeah, Mihawk needs to be capable to beat those kinds of people for his title to actually be serious business. Or else Mihawk just has the title because he was lucky enough to never fight Big Mom.
I hope you understand my point here cause I am using the exact same logic you used. If Big Mom beat Mihawk in a fight using her sword, the world won't care about the details and Big Mom now has the title. There is noone to enforce the "rules of a swordsfight" in One Piece so there are no rules beyond using a sword in a fight.
So yeah, i actually believe Mihawk has to be stronger than any given person using swordsmanship in conjunction with other op stuff or else his title would only be his because he was lucky enough to never face Big Mom and he would really be a fraud. But since he is Zoros dream, there is no way he is a fraud. So his title must be 100% foolproof legit, meaning there is no eventuality under which someone could snag his title. Meaning Big Mom could not just kill him and then claim the title, telling the world she used her sword and the world has no way to disprove her since her sword is a prominent part of her fighting anyways.
I think I made my point very clear, but feel free to argue even though I think there is nothnig to argue here unless you believe Mihawk to be a fraud.
well said. this should definitely have more likes
@@timmythh thanks :D
The best comment ever
I'm sorry , where are the likes for this comment .
@@Damian_Howl
Always funny to get a nice reply on a super old comment and wondering what I even said, thanks mate :D
You know the meme with the 90 anime doctor saying "I'm a healer but" then pulling a gun
That's how mihawk vs shanks goes
fuck sake 😂😂😂😂
Morj with the low diff against the six-year old kid
adult player level
@@darshananand4480 soccer player level clearly doesn't mean anything since it can go from 6 year old Kid to Adult Neymar
@@justbny9278 nah i made a joke about the " first commander level" powerscaling in one piece fandom
@@darshananand4480 i just joking about how people keep pestering others about "Yonko Commander Level" or "Vice Admiral Level" not meaning anything because the characters with these titles vary in strength, i ran with your joke
@@justbny9278 okayy i get it
Obviously the strongest swordsman in One Piece is Hatchan. After all he's the only person to master 6 sword style.
Zoro's nine sword style in enies lobbie.. anyway we all know that if Gaimon could get out of his chest he'd be the strongest swordman
@@samch.8351 Oh heck, we forgot about Bepo. He'd be the strongest swordsman if he got his paws on a sword.
What about that octopus dude on Fishman Island?
@@lordsword4121 that's hatchan
@@dguytheguy4653 No that's not
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Asking AND answering the real questions here. This is why I am subscribed.
I too was wondering if I am better than a 6 year old, but unfortunately I am not allowed around schools anymore...
I’m just sitting over here wondering how Riku Dold and Nefertari Cobra thought it would be a good idea to make an enemy out of a Yonko-level swordsman instead of provisionally letting him keep Warlord status.
Emotions against reason lol "warlord tried to seize my country so warlord bad" it's not his problem how the WG deals with the warlords
It’s morels imo the dangers of entities allying themselves with as unruly a group as pirates, especially considering the ramifications left by a Crocodile and a Doffy. Not sure why that needed explaining, Mihawk is a legend and chaotic neutral kind of character it’s not as if they specifically thought “ no more Mihawk”.
@@acetofresh1 the warlord system was not a secret
i think the point was that the warlords are enemies anyways and just hiding behind their title
@@acetofresh1 If WG was smart...they would have treated / prosecuted each and every warlord differently. Putting all the warlords under the same umbrella is a breach of human rights.
That's why we have due process in our real world.....even if 4/7 warlords were curropt...it still makes no sense to try and anger the other 3/7. What's even more fucked up...is there is not a sinlge advantage of putting mihawk in crosshairs.
1. Shows nothing to the general public....he's seen as a reserved legend who never bullied any kingdom. capturing him does not boost any morale nor does it give any assurance. When you capture mihawk...u only get mihawk...the crime neither goes up nor down in the world.
2. You will waste resources trying to capture him..resources of the highest order....feel free to risk losing an admiral. Or guarantee losing anyone weaker than an admiral u send after him.
3. He's best buddies with an emperor...conflict of interest right there .
From a readers POV (as readers we are aware of every tether of plot armor each character has).....the marines just royally fucked themselves..
Even if u send all 2 admirals after him...we know for a fact that he will escape with little problems cuz mihawk has plot armor. If you send 1 admiral you are risking the admiral's life ( fortunately the admirals themselves seem sorta important to the story so they have plot armor too...but it ain't as strong as mihawk's plot armor.
How can Mihawk accept that title when he's never crossed blades with Luffy
@Isaiah Mack No, no. He's got a point.
@Isaiah Mack Have you seen Luffy with a sword? The way he punches people with the sword is so elegant.
Poor @Isaiah Mack ..smh
@Isaiah Mack Are u in wano?
@Isaiah Mack So you saw luffy using a sword right
Iam calling it, Shanks can secretly do a Haki version of rasengan
if haki is willpower why i think shanks could be basically a green lantern
Every conquerers haki user is green Lantern worthy
Bout to say that but haki clone jutsu was his old fighting style
Ryuma turning his blade into black blade is an example of how much swordsmanship & haki are tied with each other.
Think about it. Mihawk is prideful enough to lose I terest in challenging Shanks since he lost his arm, as winning would mean nothing.
Would a character that has shown prideful tendencies and understands a swordsman's pride, really be parading the title of world's greatest swordsman if it was an empty title?
Mihawk was self aware enough to boast that he'd stay at the top of the world until Zoro rose to his level. He is proud in his strength. Proud enough to think Whitebeard is a good measure for him.
Lol I have made this argument for years and Zoro is also another individual who would never chase a lie.
@@nonyabusiness366 I get what you're trying to say but the two aren't really comparable as Kidd is talking about something no one has ever done, while Mihawk is speaking on something that he currently is. He simply acknowledges that he is the strongest and gave his word to remain the strongest until Zoro can challenge him.
He didnt view himself as better than WB in order for it to be a "good measure", the way Oda portrays it is that mihawk believes himself to be weaker than WB so he wants to gauge how large the gap truly is because this may be his only chance.
@@trappyboi8678, Mihawk only heard about Whitebeard, so had no idea about the strength of the man who can destroy the world with his ability. Until the war, nobody even knew Whitebeard was massively nerfed.
@@trappyboi8678 He wanted to measure distance between them but i don't think he thinks he is weaker, and what he found out what seperates him from Whitebeard is the CREW
I feel like the Shanks Mihawk debate isn’t even about them. To me it seems like it’s about Zoro because if Mihawk is stronger or as strong as Shanks then Zoro has to reach that level too which some people don’t want.
I don’t know maybe this doesn’t make sense but that’s my opinion on the whole thing.
Same, mate!
If you think about it, EOS Zoro is gonna be comparable to Prime Rayleigh, so he's gonna reach that level regardless if it wasn't made obvious enough.
It is about zoro and luffy if you think about it
Some people...More like KOL dont want that to happen lol
I just assume shanks wouldnt cheat and use other than adement mostly haki against mihawk and not use his emporers haki. Observation, does count too as swordfights i guess. But he wouldnt unfairly overpoer him with haki.
Probably the guy known as the "Worlds Strongest Swordsman"
honestly idk why people even argue this like mihawk is stronger but it would be a super high diff fight and shanks is close to as strong as mihawk but at the end of the day mihawk wins
@@uncomfortabletruths7990 so if Luffy picks up a sword and uses his other techniques against the strongest swordsman Zoro and wins does that make Luffy WSS?
@@StripedJacket This is such a retarded comment.Using a sword=/=Being a swordsman.A swordsman is a warrior,who specializes in the art of the sword.Shanks already stated that he is a swordsman in his dialogue with Whitebeard.
@@StripedJacket I dont understand your comment do you think Shanks will use martial arts like kicks or shoots haki beams? If Luffy uses a sword primarily with his haki and wins against Mihawk yes he is WSS if he just holds a sword and does say red hawks or goes gear 4 that isnt swordsmanship. The whole haki argument is stupid until we see if Shanks can use conquerors haki as a fighting style. Haki is the foundation of top tier swordsmanship will Zoro having conquerors exclude him from the category
@@imagineumnomefoda500 that’s literally what my comment highlights via sarcasm… That if Using sword =/= being a swordsman.
I wonder if Shanks losing his arm, was the way ODA decided to remove him from the Greatest Swordsman debate, but maintain how strong Mihawk is, while not being in the story most of the time.
@@nonyabusiness366 Oda chopped off his arm in the first chapter, didn't he? I doubt the publishers (it would be more accurate to say editors) really had any say in what is effectively a minor plot point that still hasn't had a proper payoff yet
@@mattwayne9128 It was actually not Oda's idea, he was pressured to do so.
@@mattwayne9128 his editors said shanks was boring so he took his arm. Its confirmed
@@nonyabusiness366 ahh damn, one of the major plotholes, but i am glad its not oda's fault
@@nonyabusiness366 although plothole would be a wrong term for it, but still shanks was strong back then, not as much as he is now but still, losing his hand to a seaking which was easily handled by luffy in one punch didnt made any sense
Lol any top tier fighting MIhawk right now isn’t turning off any of their powers to beat him. They are using whatever is in their Arsenal to obtain victory. I think Shanks and MIhawk somewhere around the same level. I don’t think either one is some leagues above the other. MIhawk is too dangerous for anyone to hold back their true power against him. I truly hate when y’all say they won’t use Haki or Devil fruit because he a swordsman. This One Piece and from what we have seen is swordsman are some of the most dangerous people in the verse. You either go all out or die.
Yeah Shanks and Mihawk are probably roughly equally strong, at least close enough that non-all out fights won't give a decisive outcome, and since Mihawk is all about swords he's been labeled as the strongest swordsman in the world, while Shanks, who probably mixes swordfighting with other stuff, is just known to be extremely strong, just not as a pure swordsman.
@@comradecatbug5289 Yeah I also think Shanks is a top class swordsman as well or else MIhawk would never be interested in fighting him. They just close enough in power to me that any fight between them will be close
Bro. Thank you for voicing in a video what I have been trying to explain to other ppl. I don't see how anyone could argue against all the logic and perfect examples you used. This was so well thought out. Even gives hope to the Shanks lovers out there. Well done sir 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Haki isn't a fighting style. Haki is used in conjunction with your preexisting abilities.
Exactly so if Roger and Shanks fighting style revolves around punching kicking creating halo force fields and such then they aren’t pure swordsmen
@@ayubsharif7419 but they don't do any of that
Preach👋
People forget: When Mihawk trained Zoro, the main focus of the training was development of Zoro's Haki ("No alcohol until you've Mastered Haki.")
Haki is a part of Swordsmanship in One Piece.
Mihawk swordsmanship will end in failure.
Zoro will end his career
@@unknownvariable9239 In a way, Zoro defeating Mihawk is the ultimate flex.....from Mihawk.
"Everyone is so utterly trash compared to me, I had to actually train someone on how to be better than me."- Godhawk.
@@koldraiynedownskayle5744 that’s facts fitting end for Godhawk
@@koldraiynedownskayle5744 It's kind of weird that Mihawk trained Zoro. Imo it kinda of takes away the feat of Zoro defeating him eventually. Therefore, I will create a rediculous theory that Kuina will come back to life and defeat Mihawk and the final duel will be Zoro vs Kuina as it should be lol XD. And as we know in One Piece, no one actually dies unless we see it happen!
@@megamaster0 Naw. Down D. Stairs already clapped Kuina. He coming for Mihawk next, then Zoro gone fight him.
I feel like Zoro will ask to fight shanks to gain a sort of measurement of where he stands against Mihawk, not even to win or lose. Just to see whats really good as far as growth.
I can like that...
Could be a single slash too like when Mihawk wanted to measure the distance between him and white beard in Marineford
latest data book said mihawk is waiting for a swordsman that is going to surpass shanks
This debate is irrelevant because we all know Zoro is going to top Shanks and Mihawk in the near future.
Sheeee 😈😈
😂😂😂😂. Near future 😂😂😂😂
Will surpassed both
@@xaviercopeland2789 Oda is rushing one piece he wants to finish it quick. A lot of stuff gonna happen after wano
@@Propain4eva im kinda scared for one piece's ending
Last time I was this early the video was called Morj Momo Tama
Everytime Morj drops a new video, the day just gets better
"Haki blasts from hand" - Shanks is a super saiyan confirmed
Well, Yamcha could do that too. Can Shanks beat Yamcha?
People really think the World's Strongest Swordsman is weaker than a swordsman
@Pythonn That makes no sense. Fujitora and Kaku both have Devil fruits, both are considered “swordsmen” by Oda.
@Pythonn yes but that is headcanon if shanks has abilities we dont know about. And oda called fujitora a swordsman and he has a devil fruit
@Pythonn Mihawk>>>>
@Pythonn no, devil fruit doesnt matter, its not that technical, kaku called himself a swordsman, and oda clearly doesnt care because he called fujitora, a guy who can bring down meteors, a swordsman
to be fair he is, because roger is an official swordsman
Sumo moves definitely include blowing air into your bones
Exactly. Terrible example.
@@calendarlampbat4401 not really terrible, but also not the best. Did it for story purpose. Just stick with the LeBron beats Phelps example
@@goldeneaglereborn LOL, no. You're going too far off an example into a whole alternate/parallel universe.
If LeBron can swim better than Phelps, then Phelps can sing better than MJ. And MJ kill more people than Attila, Genghis Khan and Hitler combined. And so on, and so on.
@@tresnonugroho6397 are you okay in the head? This is not avenger's endgame. Please rewatch the video. We can also stick to the Mr. Morj vs 6 year old example if that is easier
If Mihawk actually happens to be weaker than Shanks then all of Zoro's story is absolutely useless and both ZORO and Mihawk would be a waste of ink and writing for the last 20 years. Why even give Zoro this dream??? Why even write or create the character in the 1st place???
I'd prefer for Zoro to be killed by Kaido if Mihawk has been weaker than Shanks all along.
ZORO IS DEAD NOW MAN
Bruh did you watch the video?
@@justno984 yes he did and all morj did was say words
The sheer fact he lost his arm means Shanks is no longer the rival Mihawk so sought for the thrall of battle with imo , I think that’s the whole impetus for the story, knowing Oda. A crippled Shanks means arguably he’s destined for a successor sooner that it should be , and Mihawk for a rival. Also idk why haki isn’t swordsmanship even exists , Oden’s character and the Black Blade concepts wouldn’t make any sense if it wasn’t. Remember Law is also a swordsman as well, and it’s how he transmits his Haki.
Mihawk turned his blade into unbreakable black blade. How can people say that Mihawk's haki is weaker.
He probably pumped so much armament into the blade it became permanent. It’s a feat literally any swordsman can do. Mihawk told zoro in his training “you can make any sword a black blade.” Meaning black just like his.
@@natedogmarik2554 yeah, and we still haven't seen anyone to perform this feat besides ryuma and Mihawk...
That’s false as even the data book’s say you need more than haki to make a black blade, otherwise roger would have one
@@natedogmarik2554 its a feat literally any swordsman can do to the point that NONE ELSE HAS A PERMA BLACK BLADE except ryuma.... and guess what.... ryuma has a great grade blade which is embarrasing if u compare it not just to he only known supreme BLACK blade BUT THE STRONGEST BLADE IN THE WORLD (baratie arc)
i guess you didnt watch east blue saga
I love how he intuitively knows at which point in the video Shank's fans would be seething .... :D self-aware video making at its best! ( And an adept knowledge of the fan base !)
Great analysis! The sword fighting in One Piece despite given so much attention does tend to come across not that well described so super glad to see this!
I never thought that Shanks was untouchable because of his fighting power. I always thought he held overwhelming political power through his connections due to having the world's highest level of practically applied charisma, with a really deep reach into the world's powers itself. Somewhat similar to Whitebeard, but more universal and with less direct enemies. To me it felt like that to other characters, that something crazy like 50%+ of the world politically is his ally and can agree with his stance(s), so you can't make him your enemy, especially if it would make you seem like "the bad guy" politically or narratively. He can stop Marineford, because anyone who says no is risking a lot of backlash and loss. Not to mention him and his crew are still quite strong to be there in person.
I think ppl overestimate shanks' power as an individual and underestimate the power of his crew. shanks could (and probably would) lose a 1v1 against kaido or mihawk, but the redhair pirates are the strongest out of all the yonko-crews, since ben beckman, yassop, lucky roo are much stronger than the sweet generals or the calamities. This is hinted at in ch. 957. So imo the redhair pirates are overall the strongest crew rn, which makes shanks as their captain the strongest yonko, but shanks is neither the strongest individual nor the strongest swordsman. P.S. really enjoying the content. keep it up morj
lol whos overrrated now
Times change. :D
Morj! You convinced me! I believe the raid will end in failure, If the ship sinks I'll sink with you!
Wrong video. But congrats for the ❤️ .
I don't see there being a problem with Mihawk being stronger than Shanks and one of the strongest in the verse. He doesn't have a crew and doesn't really act like other pirates. Mihawk likely has a code which forced him into fights with the marines and others but he generally seems like he just goes about his business sailing and challenging other swordsmen or accepting challenges but being as strong as he is most people just try to avoid him, much like you would a natural disaster. If Mihawk were to go against the marines or a Yonko crew he'd lose but 1v1 against a Yonko or Admiral he may well come out on top, and since he doesn't go around causing trouble he wouldn't have a Yonko level bounty but the name recognition is there.
At the start of the war, Mihawk wondered what was the distance between somebody like him and Whitebeard. People shit on him because Jozu came to block his attack, but that was the philosophical answer. Mihawk can't reach Whitebeard because he has countless loyal crew member ready to fight for him and get in the way. Later in the war, Mihawk see a similar ability in Luffy and call it the most terrifying power.
Oda made a pretty good job at putting a spotlight on Mihawk's weakness and explaining why he's ultimately "weaker" than the Yonko. Then every power scaler on earth missed the point and started downplaying his individual strength...
@@Ryzen776 I liked the way you interpreted the ‘philosophical answer’.
@@Ryzen776 That's a good interpretation
@@Ryzen776 yeah Oda said there is no perfect character and mihawk weakness is he's a solo character, but in 1v1 situation he's one of the best if not the best.
@@Ryzen776 There are many things about that one scene alone breath of all things Jozus durability etc
I can tell Morj little braged about beating a 6 years old :))
I place Mihawk as the WSS alongside Roger and Ryuma.
If Shanks is as strong or stronger than Mihawk after losing is dominant arm, that would greatly diminish the narrative weight of his sacrifice for Luffy. That wouldn't even be a sacrifice, but an equivalent exchange for greater power. for him to have lost out on potential strength makes much more sense logically and narratively.
Facts brother.
Preach.
Mihawk>Shanks
Morj, what do you think about the possibility of advanced conquerer’s being some form of weather manipulation? I think Roger’s battle vs Shiki is a strong hint towards this. Some other hints toward this could be how when Yonkos clash the skies split and it could also be Dragon’s true powers. Also back in East Blue, Mihawk visited Shanks on a random island to tell him about Luffy’s first bounty. At first, the skies were cloudy and dark and Shanks was in a bad mood. When he found out about Luffy’s bounty, he got happy and the sun came out. In general, controlling the weather really goes along with the idea of being a king or a conquerer.
I’ve had this theory for awhile and haven’t seen many people talk about this. Lmk what y’all think and thumbs it up so Morj can see pls :)
that could also explain why mihawk can travel in that tiny boat, he can use haki to dispel rain,calm the tides etc. just a lil thought though
I always thought mihawk was op but didn't realize that he could be this strong.
This was really a fun video to watch. Ur sarcasm is rooftop level.Morj had perfect arguments for both sides while debunking the trash arguments.
I thought shanks was stronger at first but saying shanks> mihawk involves usage of crazy headcannon. Mihawk being stronger is the obvious conclusion from cannon material. If we see kameheha and other ridiculous things then it's a different discussion. Till then....
@Monkey D. Kong yes. It's actually ridiculous. Imagine shanks throwing away his sword to use Kamehameha😂😂😂
I'mma just say,Mihawk doesn't have a crew...to me that means a lot. That means in any scenario it's Mihawk vs whoever. So to me I think it's talking about in a 1v1 battle.
Literally epitome of the lone Wolf Character and they are almost always insanely powerful.
I know this is over a year old, but I also find it interesting that the vivre card says Mihawk is waiting for someone stronger than Shanks, implying only someone stronger than Shanks can beat him.
I feel like is not the same thing using a sword to be a swordsman. If you ask shanks what are you he is saying a pirate, if you do the same question to mihawk he is saying a swordsman (most likely and depending on the context)
pd. f*ck just saw the video and morj already convienced me my statement above is not actually true.
I mean it technically is it's just not that relevant when it comes to the discussion regarding The Strongest Swordsman
If you ask them what they are they're probably going to answer that with a laugh
@@justbny9278 Yeah, now I get it, I feel kinda stupid.
Morj: I would be picked before a six year old kid. My six year old football player brother: And I took that personally.
Morj is the best person to watch for OP break downs his logic and reasoning are on point
Hey, just wanted to say I love your videos! The way you explain things is so clear and concise and you’re my favorite op RUclipsr
I think it's pretty simple :
- Mihawk wins in a pure Yoru vs Gryphon fight
- Shanks wins if punches, kicks, pistols, throwing rocks, etc... are also allowed
bro are u serious?
so throwing a rock and using a gun will be effective against the guy who can slice bullets mid air?
@@Greg12839 bet Shanks can throw a mean ass boulder
I think where people get hung up is that there is very little, to nothing in terms of visual evidence that has shown Mihawk to not only be stronger than the Yonkou in terms of swordplay, but also the Marines, other than his title. Even something as little as clashing with Whitebeard or an Admiral or even a flashback with some of his feats (since Oda's clearly waiting to show him fighting Shanks) would have gone a long way I think
Great analysis as always! On the topic of advanced haki techniques that have no place in a swordfight, it does seem rather interesting that Rayleigh and Shanks, both living swordsmen that are generally considered to be stronger than Mihawk, are confirmed to have conqueror's haki.
Here before I watch the video
Shanks is a "HaKiMaN"
His final form is hakumen
hAkI gOd*
@@narukami597
ZEYAH!
Garp is a hakiman
You are not ending it. You are just adding fire to it.
Morj has been proven right again after chapter 1058! This guy is truly goated.
how tf is this a debate??? mihawk is known as the worlds stongest swordsman by the whole world. plain and simple
Mr Morj could get peace in the Middle East. Imagine Morj being a diplomat.
It appears that way-but it would end in failure.
Don't let Kol watch this video, i don't want him to feel pain
KOL is a hack
His recent Garp slander is sus
@@rensten4893 where is that garp slander?
@@kwtbeats lmao why are you taking a youtube comment so seriously
@@kwtbeats calling someone a hack / fraud is not "hating" or "Jealousy". Unless ofcourse the commenter knows KOL in person and is still calling him that...we don't know each other personally apart from the things what we chose to put out on RUclips.
My six year old: “Hold my juice”
Morj "its entirely possible" Rogan
There’s even more to it
In an sbs, Oda hinted at the fact that Shanks might be more than a swordman
CRY IN YOUR CORNER NOBODY CARES
In Vivre card it is stated that he Is a swordsman and mihawk is waiting for someone stronger than him
STAY MAD KID
Where?
MIhawk should be stronger than Shanks based on what we know of the story. Shank's hype has a lot to do with portrayal and personal biased. if Shanks turns out to be stronger it is what it is, but for now I have Mihawk. Good ass vid
I think when people have the Mihawk vs Shanks discussion/debate they get carried away by powerscaling, headcannon and their personal desires/agendas so they forget the essence of how One Piece as a story has been fleshed out by Oda. At the end of the day what is most important is Zoro achieving his dream, how he goes about doing that is what the focus should be on.
Morj's new hairstyle is not gonna end in failure......looking good dude
Morj: I would be picked over a six year old in a soccer match.
*Lionel Messi, Dieogo Maradonna and Pele have entered the chat*
Cristiano too
Lmao a 6 years old Messi is better than an average adult
Thank you for putting into words what I’ve been trying to explain to my friends.
Hey morj when you said that the key to beating kaido is conquerers haki, what if zoro needs to unlock his conquerers in order to master enma.
World's greatest swordsman means exactly what it says. I can't wait to see everyone's faces when they reveal how strong Mihawk actually is. During his time, Whitebeard was the world's strongest man, just as Mihawk is currently the strongest of all swordspersons in One Piece during his time and yeah, that includes Shanks.
ur gonna be very disappointed
He was right mihawk is stronger than shanks
@@ZZ-ex8py lol it was confirmed in the latest chapter he’s above shanks
@@divine2368 Possessing more skill in swordsmanship is not equivalent to being stronger by any metric
We won.
Mihawk stans unite.
Noooo 😭
@@A-Ylover0FtheLordJesus what's ur problem? Mihawk being stronger than shanks doesn't mean much to luffy. Luffy's goal is roger
Mihawk is Yonkou level!
@@cooljo5881 no💀
@@cooljo5881 he is not yonko level. He is admiral level. If he was yonko level he should have showed something like what whitebeard has shown in marine ford war. But instead mihawk got stopped by every possible commsnfer with ease dead in his tracks. So no. Not a yonko. But he must be admiral level
there are only two flaws with what you said morj, that in zoro's journey to become the world's strongest swordsman has fought characters who are devil fruit users and swordsmen, and also the advanced techniques of haki do apply to swordsmanship, we literally saw the force field haki in the clash between roger and whitebeard
Well now i want to see Shanks shooting haki beams
I feel like world strongest swordsmen means most skilled with the sword but not necessarily strongest in terms of overall.
Exactly
This is the dumbest comment I've seen today. The title is literally strongest/mightiest swordsman in the world not skillest. wtf?? are you even paying attention?
That's like saying whitebeard is the most skilled man in the world. 🤣🤣🤣
The Floyd vs. Connor was actually a very good analogy.
It doesn't matter what abilities someone has outside of swordsmanship. Oda showed in ch 16 that no abilities a swordsman possesses can exclude them from being a swordsman. Whether it's haki or a devil fruit. Projectiles or elemental breath attacks. They're still swordsman.
The only exception are those who cannot distinguish between what they want to cut, and what they do not want to cut, characters such as Big Mom. Because, as Mihawk says, without subtlety a sword is but an iron bar.
I can generally accept all of Morj’s arguments, however I will say as a separate issue that shanks haki is probably better than Mihawks, and Mihawks swordsmanship is probably better than shanks even before losing an arm.
That said, I do wonder if oda himself even understands this own power scaling in this regard. What does it really mean to be a swordsman in one piece? And how does being the strongest at swordsmanship specifically play out when there’s other forms of combat that are utilized in this verse?
And how does this play out in a situation where you also have a character like shanks, whom is only ever portrayed to engage in combat with a sword but is also supposed to be stronger than Mihawk because of the narrative. Oda could’ve literally avoided this confusion by making shanks fight the same way Garp does. Then there’s no question that mihawk is a better swordsman because shanks wouldn’t even use a sword.
We literally could have a situation where shanks haki is so fucking powerful, he essentially grows an arm of haki and uses it to fight. I doubt anyone would question he has the best haki then.
Agree that oda literally doesn’t care about the confusion he created with shanks and mihawk and probably doesn’t have a good answer for it I’m sure if someone asked oda about Mihawk vs shanks and oda had to answer seriously that he would be confused because literally no answer makes sense them being equal doesn’t make sense Minawk losing doesn’t make sense for his title shanks losing doesn’t makes sense for his portrayal that is greater than Mihawk oda just created this plot hole that could be avoided by giving shanks a devil fruit or a different weapon then a sword or like morj suggested giving shanks haki powers that are beyond swordsmanship
But I disagree about growing an arm with haki that’s ridiculous because replacing a limb is only possible with either a mech limb or a devil fruit
Imagine shanks vs mihawk as lebron vs steph curry, mihawk is the best swordsman and steph is the best three point shooter, just because lebron would win in a one v one basketball doesn’t mean he becomes the best three point shooter, such as shanks would beat mihawk in a 1v1 does not mean shanks is the best swordsman. Steph=mihawk , lebron=shanks
Shanks fans need to just stop
seriously
Read the comments before the video. Should I expect a 6 year old soccer master to destroy morj?
Mihawk clearly just won the annual swordsman contest held in Wano that year 😌
facts😂
Awesome video yohohoho, truly appreciable!
How is this a debate? Mihawk literally has the title as the strongest 🤔🤨 he's also the only swordsman alive who owns a black blade that is entirely his own.
well one of the elders might have a black blade
@@kingo_clubs9097 we have seen the sword out of the sheath when he was cleaning it before. It's not a black blade
@@kingo_clubs9097 no that's not a black blade to make a black blade you need very strong Haki or will
"If you are a Shanks fan who is seething right now" lmao
People forget that a part of shank's portrayal and what distinguishes him from mihawk is a high level crew and territories and allies, u think if shanks came alone in the war he'll be able to stop it? It was stated he had the most balanced crew. I think mihawk and shanks are like kuzan and akainu merely equal but at the end mihawk wins
Wow watching this now you hit the nail on the head talking about the potential of haki!
Now that we know that shanks is known as "the killer of observation haki" this video hits different
Nothing change
I've always read into the "Shanks is a haki master" argument as being more that Shanks could lose his sword and still attempt to fight Mihawk with Haki and physical strength alone where for Mihawk losing his sword would mean he's completely fucked. One of the first things we learned about characters who specialize in swordplay is that they're significantly weaker without their swords (it was a central plot point of Zoro's introduction arc.)
He would definitely be weakened (and might even lose) but he wouldn't be COMPLETED fucked. He's still adept at haki in his own right plus No-Sword Style is a thing.
How was it a central point when Zoro was tied up the entire time and got his sword as soon as he was released. Swordsmen are still physically powerful experienced fighters in addition to whatever Haki they learned. Losing their sword doesn't make them weak in the slightest.
@@Shark-hn4mv I think you’re going to far. I agree that any powerful Haki user can still fight without their swords. They will still be able to punch and kick etc. However, saying that they won’t get weaker in the slightest is just delusional. Swordsman train and hone their skills especially with a sword, all of their most powerful attacks require a sword to use. Not having swords means they can no longer use their strongest attacks.
Zoro is stronger than Sanji. If they fought and Zoro doesn’t have his swords do you think Zoro will still beat Sanji?
Shanks would also be pretty fucked without his sword, he is a swordsman.
@@empiricalpurity i know this is 8 month old but
He said it won't make them weak as in they won't just instantly become weak not that they wouldn't become weaker
Definitely understand the concept better now, it's like saying Mihawk is most likely stronger up close with sword range but Shanks is so well rounded both close and long ranged that he is overall a stronger pirate. it's all about versatility in battle
Except that doesn't work. Shanks uses a sword, Oda calls him a swordsman, and in film red the only thing he fights with is a sword. This doesn't even take into consideration how Mihawk can send large slashes for miles without using any named attacks. Y'all got to stop the mental gymnastics. Shanks is below Mihawk. Stop searching for loopholes that don't exist.
@@Shark-hn4mv it's really to early to say he only uses a sword in combat when you're using a non canon movie to base how Shanks fights and using non named moves to show he has range just means he can use range but it isn't exactly his strongest distance, the same way Star Platinum can get very far but is strongest at close range
The theory still holds true but honestly not bothered if it gets proven wrong or anything since we haven't seen them both fight properly
This is actially pretty simple, shanks is probably like rayleigh in fighting style, rayleigh kicked kizaru before using his sword against him, mihawk would never use a kick he'd only use his sword but i can imagine shanks using kicks and other strikes, like mcgregor.
Shanks can probz use shit like Rogers divine departure as well for all we know
@@harleykennedy7922 which means he's a swordsman
This is a Shounen. It's simple. Whoever has named attacks with a sword is a swordsman. Whoever uses it as a primary weapon is a swordsman.
Kaku used kicks yet he called himself a swordsman but Big Mom uses a sword an punches yet does not call herself one so we automatically disqualify her as being such? It seems like a stupid argument to have.
Roger, Shanks, Mihawk, Oden, Scabbards, Rayleigh, Big Mom, Law, Hawkins even Whitebeard is a swordsman because his blade is a Supreme Grade one. There's no debate to be had here.
So far, I’ve only seen two people that train their Haki with PVE methods: Green Horn and Shanks. Green Horn likes to fast which puts a huge burden on your body and mental state. Shanks likes to camp in harsh climates like a snowy mountain, dry and hot climate (where mihawk told shanks about meeting Luffy).