2024 Honda Passport TrailSport Review and Off-Road Test
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2024
- With a number of small upgrades and General Grabber All-Terrain Tires is this refreshed Honda Passport Trailsport the real deal?
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Honda would have hit the ball outta the park with a 1 inch lift, another skid plate and a tow hook. Please Honda consider this 🙏
Toyota has no hook on the Tundra....insanity
While I don't disagree with you on this the lift and the skid plate can always be added (granted for a bit more $$$).
@@travisp11 oh for sure, I’ve seen plenty of people do that aftermarket. With Honda naming it the Trailsport though, would like to see more trail related things added from the factory to differentiate this particular trim.
@@mikefoehr235 wow, I didn’t realize that, will have to look into that. Such a miss if that’s the case.
Honda said no.
I'd like a do-over, please. You already showed the Passport to be quite capable in previous videos. As you pointed out in this one, the front end was bottomed out and stuck. Not knowing that, you floored it. If one butted up to a brick wall and floored it, I think any transmission would protest. Any number of factors could have caused the PP to bottom out compared to others: lower approach angle, different wheel base possibly causing a steeper angle when hitting the rut, deeper rut from prior runs... Anyway, my '20 PP that I picked up used has been great and I'm confident it's plenty capable for snow on roads and able to take established dirt roads to camps and hiking trails. The combination of the good AWD system and the on-road manners are the right balance for me.
I really like your videos and enjoy your style of reviewing, including your giddy laughs when the good stuff happens.
I 100% agree, we observed during the extreme Snow challenge, that when Toyota RAV4 Transmisson protested over-heating. You pulled back, reset and then proceeded again. It's good to know you had challenges and expected more from a Trail Sport Trim package. So my question why the bailout on the test? Was it the level of protest by the Honda sensors alone or concern the system was going to get damaged and this was a loner Honda?
Also, it probably didn’t overheat. When certain wheels spin much faster than others, cars often freak out and give you a Christmas tree of alerts. I think it has to do with the wheel speed sensors
I definitely agree. Who doesn't give it another try when it obviously could been just the drivers fault, NOT the car.
@@isaidit4720its drivers fault. Hes not the greatest. He tries driving into a pile of dirt, then calls it a fail.
Next vehicle, he digs as that earth away. Hes not bright.
I wanted to change my Subaru for a 2025 passport; but thanks to your test I will finally abandon the Honda unfortunately. thank you for these tests.
Someone mentioned this video to me and as someone that owns a 2019 Honda Passport with 139K on the odometer, and has driven with many other ZF9 equipped Passport/Pilot/Ridgeline drivers, it appears you have a defective Honda. We’ve never seen this issue on the trail, and prior to this review, you haven’t seen it either.
Remember your first review, you took the Passport on the crosscut hill and you pushed the passport hard to get up it. Prior to, no other AWD was able to get up that obstacle, and in your G-wagon review it had to be triple locked to crawl up (although I’m sure if you used more momentum, it would have made it in standard 4WD with traction control).
So, I do have a friend that had his Passport give a “transmission problem” warning while he was driving cross country. He took it into a Honda dealership and he was told that his ZF9 transmission was “OVERFILLED”. There’s a bleed valve on the ZF9, and after removing the excess fluid, the vehicle was operational again. From all the testing you’ve done on this platform, you know it was capable of getting through this. It appears that you didn’t get the “AWD system HOT” warning, which is just a rotational sensor and not an actual heat sensor. That points to a defective transmission. Really unfortunate Honda would provide you with a vehicle in that condition.
I KNEW you'd show up. Should have thrown it into the video. "And... here's... JonDZ..." lol. I was wondering if Honda has made their sensor threshold lower on this newer model. Activating protections well before it's needed. I say that since TFL had the same exact issue with their press sample (different cars, same equipment). Also, like you say, I've pushed them harder in the past and never had this issue. (But without being side-to-side it's hard to know for certain just how "hard" the internals are getting pushed in any scenario.) In the end its just disappointing that Honda hasn't yet given the Passport the same amount of re-engineering they gave Pilot. Not to mention the lack of tranny cooler and hitch that are both standard on TrailSport Pilot.
@@drivingsports A passport with a “transmission problem” warning ⚠️ needs to be taken to the dealership ASAP. This isn’t a warning that’s going to pop up because because the vehicle ran into adversity. This isn’t the same as an “AWD system Hot” warning. This doesn’t have anything to do with threshold adjustments. Again, this is a completely different warning, and it points to a manufacturer defective transmission, or maybe an overfilled transmission. If it’s the later, there needs to be better quality control.
The 2024 Passport Trailsport is mechanical identical or at the very least similar. Even before installing the OEM transcooler on my Passport, I never had a transmission overheated warning. Honestly, I don’t think it does much on the trails, and is more suited for highway towing where air is constantly getting rammed into the cooler.
Unfortunately, the 2023 Pilot Trailsport doesn’t have a transmission cooler either, and driving up trails in Colorado, a much lighter pilot with much less overland gear was showing higher transmission temperatures than my ZF9 equipped Honda. We observed that the fans don’t turn on until temps get into the 200F+ range.
Actually, I did an April fools joke 2 years back where I faked a transmission problem by pulling the shifter harness. So, maybe there’s an issue with the harness wiring.
Jon still remember me? Why being a motormouth? I bet Honda didn't give you a fan cap.
@@youngk.1838 sorry, I can’t make sense of your comment, and with that said if you left similar quality comments I wouldn’t remember. If you can redo your comment, I will answer your question.
Awesome review as usual and I was pretty pumped to see this video as I just took delivery of a 2024 Passport Trailsport 2 weeks ago! A few things to add is that that front skid plate only covers the oil pan and is an extra accessory (some dealerships add that on) and the tow hitch and wiring ran me $900 installed at the dealership. What I was not told is that the extra transmission cooler which runs an additional $1000 installed was also necessary to ensure I can safely tow 5K pounds. I’m gonna get that installed at some point but what I can say is that my Passport is easily handling our latest Nebraska Blizzard and snow mode works well! Thanks again Ryan for making this video!
🤔. So what you're saying is this thing isn't even close to being ready to go, out the door. Bad approach departure angles, not enough ground and an overheating drive system means it's never ready to me . And on top of that, not good gas. All of that is a bad combination for me
@@RRr-yl8zrGo buy yourself a 4Runner if you go offroading everyday.
@@RRr-yl8zrit depends on the terrain you plan to take it on. On gravel, snow, ice, wet prairie on the way to where I go hunt it is perfect. Just have to know your ground clearance limitations . Yeah, Honda should have added more off road goodies to my Passport but I can always add whatever I need to make it perform better. Let’s not forget that these vehicles perform well on the pavement where they may spend a good chunk of their life.
@@RRr-yl8zr all off road vehicles are bad on gas tf you talking about. 8 inches is the industry standard, 4runners have 8 inch ground clearance stock.
I like the awd , v6 and space in the passport
Passport owner here. It really doesn't bother me how this video ended. I have the Elite (Touring in Can) with just regular road tires. It's just a great, roomy vehicle that does very well in snow (which is good because Im in Canada). With snow tires it's an absolute beast in the snow. If I wanted offroad capabilities I would have got a 4Runner.
I bought a 2024 PP Trailsport about two weeks ago and yeah, I did test drive a 4Runner but I liked the ride and performance on road of the Passport. Mine will see some very light off road use so I wasn't too worried about heavy trail capability.
@@travisp11 to bad that was NOT a "heavy trail" :-)) I think that was the lightest off-road test route that he has😮 and it failed. Even that ridiculous replacement that they're trying to acuvision actually really just a Toyota made it through where the "TRAILsport" couldn't.
What the hell has RUclips's voice to text done to that post / this. And I fixed it once and then it changed it. I'm not messing with it again this voice to text is ridiculous!
@@RRr-yl8zrGo watch JonDZ take his Passport off-road. He’s got no issues at all.
@@ryanb8736well this thing definitely didn't get far. What does this mean there's some new kind of a design flaw or quality control problem on the production line? Or does the guy your mentioning not really even have a Honda trail sport. If you go in spending thousands of dollars redoing the suspension jacking it up maybe putting a locking differential on, oil coolers all this other crap that you should not have to do when buying a brand new car especially one labeled a trail sport is ridiculous. Those cars have actually been redesigned modified and really aren't even the original car anymore and can't be compared, I could take one of those ridiculous little Fiat 500s , then jacking it up, suspension new chassis put all-wheel drive on it put bigger wheels on it spend thousands and thousands of dollars and I could not say oh you should see how decently my Fiat 500 does on a a nasty dirt road. You'd have to say, the entry-level Jeep does all right on a nasty dirt😅. But the Fiat 500 Does Not.
My god, the voice to text/autocorrect ? on here is so bad! It is inexcusable!
Amen. People act like the gonna be climbing mountains with this thing. No one is ever in a situation like that lol
There's a forest road off of Mountain Loop Highway that has a big huge hole just like the one in the Fun Forest. It's a perfect analog. Your tests have helped reinforce my decision on a new vehicle. It's really fun to watch and see which cars can get through what I need them to do.
Keep up the great work! Really glad I found your channel.
These videos are so insightful, specially if you’re considering purchasing one of these vehicles. Thank you for continuing to put out these quality videos!
This channel actually decided what my last purchase was going to be. No bs just straight reviews. It's the best
I was out working in the yard this morning when I heard a wierd laughing /chuckling sound from inside of my garage. I went in to investigate and much to my surprise, heard laughing from my CrossTrek's infotainment system. Curious, I climbed in and your review of this passport immediately started to play. Mystery solved, thanks for making both of us laugh on a cold winter day. 😂
WOW that was disappointing?? Did the AWD system self correct and reset when you freed the vehicle? Love your reviews Ryan, looking forward to the next one, thanks
And to think it's called TrailSport. Marketing geniuses.
I genuinely appreciate your calm, easy-going, and measured approach in each of your videos. Your delivery is perfect. Unlike many other reviewers who tend to inflect loudly with a voice that feels unnatural, I find your style more credible. Additionally, I value your willingness to point out deficiencies, such as the older V6 engine and 9-speed transmission, as well as the lack of tow hooks and skid plates. However, I appreciate that you also acknowledge that these aspects may not be deal-breakers for those interested in the vehicle. It's refreshing to see that not everything is seen through a negative lens, and you consistently highlight the positives within your reviews. Please keep them coming.
I honestly think if Honda offered some of the features from 4 runner, they will get more mkt share. I am glad that Honda is sticking with a V6. Not sure why mfg cheapen out by not putting camera where needed. This thing is not cheap. Let us see what 2025 brings.
I think they are holding out on all of the upgrades for the 2025 model year. I've been seeing some concept photos online for it.
@@travisp11 - Thanks. Let us hope that the 2025 model has skid plates, tow hooks, front camera and a better 4wd drive system.
@@bobby350zit's in massive native some more ground clearance. The skid plates and maybe at least just to figure out how to keep the drive system from overheating
The SH-AWD system is amazing for snow and interesting on-road for some drivers as long as you have the skills to be able to use the on-throttle required to enjoy it. The Trailsport is just a marketing exercise and will be suitable for the folks buying vehicles for the perceived image without ever using it for what you are made believed it can do. Totally agree the Pilot is the better choice even if you don't need the 3rd row. Good call!
Mine is gonna see the occasional gravel road and some prairie romps to the deer stand but not much more so for my needs it should work just fine. I'm gonna be installing a No Lo Designs front skid plate in March of this year.
3r row is for larger family and useless to me. Passport fits all my requirements for snow.
Pretty brave SUV. Now we know what this Honda is capable of. Great off road review, thanks Ryan. Greetings
24:27 TFL had a similar issue with the dodge hornet. It caught the eye of some engineers at stellantis I believe and they found out exactly what caused this. the video about it is on their TFLcar channel titled "The TRUTH About Why The Dodge Hornet Failed On The TFL Slip Test". I could be dead wrong, but maybe it is the same issue.
I actually prefer this Passport's dash than that of the new Pilot, where the multimedia screen appears to be an afterthought.
Hello Subaru? Are you there? You’ve fallen asleep while designing the Ascent Wilderness. And while you’re at it, make the Wilderness a trim-level add-on package. I want an Ascent Touring Wilderness.
What does your whining have anything to do with this video? You think Subaru is watching this 😂
@@KenCheng you sound like the type of gentleman that lowers his pants to the floor while standing at the public urinals.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770LMAO. Spot on, my friend.
Subaru would be great if not for their cvt.
This is about Honda Passport dudes! For sure when the times come there will be a video about Subaru. For now this Honda needs to be revise. I thought it was going to eat the trail!
24:24 is so disappointing, especially since Honda marketed this vehicle to be an offroader. The fact that even the Hyundai Palisade could power through and that is a more family oriented vehicle is just sad.
It seems that Trailsport is just an appearance package.
Probably one of the most responsible and reputable channels on RUclips. Another outstanding and honest review sir! Honda, please lift the Ridgeline and Passport and put better tires and suspension on them. Turbo Charge the magical VTECH and you will have a homerun, even in Uni-Body Construction. *But we know you won't. Love my gentleman's truck Honda Ridgeline though.
Thank Ryan. I want one now
I'm wondering if what's happening is a side effect of taking an AWD system designed for performance (SH-AWD) and not tweaking it for the endurance needed for sustained trail demands. I still love my '22 Passport Trailsport though as it's very fun to drive on the road and dirt roads, and an absolute beast in winter conditions around here on winter tires. I enjoy how i-vtm4 has no hesitation or delay so on even icy roads it's very confident feel. And quite some nice storage underneath the floor in back is great for winter/emergency supplies.
My only complaints are that the vehicle is wide and/or there isn't a smaller version with i-vtm4, and that the transmission shifting decisions are a bit inconsistent. Oh and the driver assistance tech is pretty awful. I turned off automatic cruise control because it would constantly be adjusting rather than maintaining a steady speed. The only issue I had was the dreaded infotainment sound static-y thing due to some connectors but I think they finally got that sorted out so hopefully 2024 models don't run into that.
You just need to know what it can and cannot do.
You're "only complaints" sounds like some major issues 😅
Love your videos It didn't seem like much to get the Passport stuck especially on an "easy" trail. Glad I got my 5th Gen 4Runner. Ryan, did you get rid of your 4Runner for the Ranger?
4Runner to Maverick to Ranger Tremor to Ranger Raptor or 2024 Land Cruiser, whichever arrives first. 😂
@@drivingsports Thanks I didn’t know you kept switching, I thought you were just a baller accumulating cars.
Someone needs out call out these OEM's with their fake "trail ready" badges that are nothing but marketing. They didn't actually do anything mechanically different from their standard models. It's just a sticker.
Well it does have much better tires than the typical street tires that they like to put on their Suv's😅
It’s made for small trails. Not climbing big rock mounds.
@@ryanb8736 That is a small trail and on a 1-10 scale of off road it’s a 1.
Also need to ditch 60/40 once and for all and allow the middle seat to fold down independently.
Super handy when transporting a bundle of 2×4s, or loading longer skis down the center, without losing the two full-sized seats on either side.
My old CRV can do this, so there is always full-sized room for two adults in the rear.
My mother has a ‘20 Passport and it’s been great so far. No issues and great to drive on road. It’s nice to see some proper all terrain tires on this 2024 model. I think the real benefit of the Passport is that it can handle light off roading while not feeling ancient on road like a 4Runner. From what I’ve seen, the Passport will get all the updates of the Pilot for the 2025 model year, which I can’t wait to see.
I was interested in the 4Runner but went with a Passport because it had a more comfortable ride and I have always wanted to experience a Honda V6.
Unfortunately it looks like even the "heavy duty off-road trail version" couldn't even get down the most basic test road 🙄 without ending up being a major pain in the...
@@RRr-yl8zr yes and no was getting pressed into the dirt and not over. Hard to get past the physics of the earth pushing back at you.
@@travisp11not enough ground clearance. And its hole drive system shut down
@@RRr-yl8zr The awd drive system didn’t completely shut down. It overheated because the car was literally stuck. Also, the Trailsport is not supposed to be a heavy duty off roader and the next one will have more upgrades to make it comparable to the new Pilot Trailsport.
I prefer the individual front armrests. More comfortable and easier to transfer from front to rear if needed
By the way. I really enjoy your channel. Excellent reviews.
I thought I was going to like them, but they were waaaay too narrow. My arm naturally fell far wide of where the armrest was. I'm maybe taller than average but not crazy, just over 6'.
Since others have mentioned the other channel also having the transmission issue, I'm going to let this one go.
I will say that watching the other clips, im not sure if you took a different line. Or has the trail already gotten more difficult because of those previous vehicles?
I just cant fathom that the air dam of the PP is less than the crown or Palisade which is why my comment above.
I understand that you did three launches which could have strained the tranny and you didnt seem to be moving alot for air flow, but i think the overheat issue is just silly. Could the system, perhaps, know that you were not moving forward because the airdam was scraping so it threw in the codes to let you know to stop and get out of the car so you can evaluate the situation?
My PP Elite has the 5k lb tow package which adds the tranny cooler. I bought TS takeoffs and added WildPeaks. Ive been in Big Bend and had a blast with those trails. I go to fluffy sandy besches driving around for a while with no issues. Ive even been at an offroad park and again no issues.
Im going to say that im disappointed at the results here.
Thx the sleep test is important to me
@24:54 I think this is why Honda ditched the ZF9 to Honda 10spd in the new Pilot. Glitched like this and transmission overheating is killing the fun. On Hondas defense , true that having all those clutches is no joke. Its not made for rough use like a 4WD system you had on your 4Runner. On the other hand this is pretty capable for 99% of the owners need imo. Excellent video as always..!! .
Thank you for your reasoned comment. I have a '23 Passport and my buddies have said "Well, it's not a REAL 4 wheeler." Right. It's not meant to be. It's meant to be what it is... an AWD SUV that can handle some logging roads and camp trails, and most folks will find that more than acceptable. You want a 4 wheeler, buy a jeep with a lift and a locker.
Wow, great video. I’d like to see the Mazda CX 50 on this trail
I think you got the error messages because the RPMs were too low. So traction control "thought" that there was an issue even though the AWD was still working fine. Otherwise...it would've been an overheat message. But it's a shame that a "trailsport" is so low in the front.
I may be removing those lower bumper moldings if it wont affect any of the other components on my 2024.
I wonder if they're for aerodynamics and gas mileage or if they're for just lame fashion accessories or if they're meant to scrape first and make noise to warn you that if you keep going you're going to trash something serious 😮😅
Passport has sport mode for on road. It’s not in the menu you highlighted, it has its own button (which I wish was on the steering wheel). I have a 22 Passport. Really like it. Use sport mode in many traffic situations. Don’t like push button trans though.
Great review Ryan! Personally changed its misnomer designation from TrailSport to FailSport. Thinking "Reject, reject, reject Will Robinson".
Verh helpful video. Aslde from lack of ground clearance, might it have weak transmission/diff cooling?
Yes, needs a tranny cooler.
The 5k lb tow package adds a tranny cooler. Maybe that's the reason why I havent seen these messages in my off-road use.
Honda and Acura have extremely over sensitive yaw rate sensors for early warnings. Especially when on an angle. They need to fix it in software.
@@SlowRollaAE82it looks like they need to strengthen the transmission and put a cooler on it even just for driving around, forget about towing🙄
Great review like always. I even watch reviews of vehicles I'm not interested in. Question for you, if you had to drive through 12" of snow to deliver medicine to a family in the mountains and had access to any truck or suv under $65K what would it be?
That’s a very specific scenario, but I’d go with a 4Runner TRD Off-Road with proper tires or chains.
@@drivingsports That is what I thought you would say, I am deciding between a Wrangler and 4Runner and I wanted to get your input. If I just asked which was best in snow I thought you answer could pretty involved as you tried to cover the variables. Thanks! Love your channel!
Jeep, expensive. Poor gas mileage, high maintenance slash unreliable, expensive maintenance. Like my mechanic said Jeeps Grand Cherokees wranglers etc work for off-roading... When they Are Working 😅
What did the owners manual say/recommend regarding the caution lights that you received?? Did a simple power down of the vehicle and start back up clear them?? Obviously going forward wasn’t an option digging dirt with the nose. Nice job getting out. I’d say the lesson here is if you’re gonna be hanging wheels in the air get a 4Runner. Looks like a sweet machine for mud and snow
It was hanging Wheels because it's chassy suspension was not capable of placing the wheels where they need to be to be. But that's not unexpected on a all-wheel drive. It getting stuck on the simplest most basic easiest off-road trailer was pretty dang sad lame and inexcusable. And the trailsport model needs at least 9 in of ground clearance and better approach and departure angles. And those things overheating in the cold and in the snow with snow and ice being picked up on the transmission is pretty damn sad and frightening
Interior needs an update. Great movie 👍
can you review the bmw x5 m60i 2024 and take it offroad, i heard its really good and i want to see you test it, thank you
Ryan, have you asked Honda about the overheating issues with the AWD system that you experienced starting at 24:25 seconds into this video; will they be adjusted for the 2025 model? Because trail edition means good hardened capabilities for off-road. THANKS.
They’re aware of the video. My guess is it won’t be updated until the next model change.
I owned one of these and loved it, but got rid of it because I wanted something with a bit more leg room in the front. I'm hoping, however, the redesign will be more attractive for the money you pay for these vehicles.
Reminds me of the same way the awd gave out on the Dodge Hornet when TFL was testing it. It's just a software defect in these systems I think.
Booo. Failure notification on the dash. . . So much for upgrading the tires. . . Good for you for making these cars actually work on your new course.
I had a 23 pilot sport I went back to old school for the 24 passport black edition missed that VTEC with the passing power although I think the new motor gave you a little more punch under 3500 RPM, but true passing power the J 35 single overhead camnot quite as refined, but is faster and also has a 300 RPM higher redline
Dang, maybe drop the trailsport branding on this one!
When will you test the Cybertruck?
Great review. Deciding between this and an Outback Wilderness. Which is the better choice?
Outback Wilderness.
This is literally the comparison I was making early last year and went with the Outback Wilderness after driving both. Happy to answer any questions you have.
@@drivingsportsthanks!!
@@uncalmthanks. How has your experience been with the Outback Wilderness. I have owned a few Subarus so I know they are like tanks in snow! I was led to believe that the Passport as well as the Pilot were more reliable than Turbo Subarus with CVTs due to the naturally aspirated V6 and regular transmission.
I would say the outback wilderness. BUT I HATE TURBOS AND THEIR ISSUES. Which makes me think I'd have to avoid the outback wilderness 🙁
Tbh it needs a redemption video. I have a 2 in lift on my 2021 Honda Ridgeline, along with the Falken Wildpeak AT3 with a 265 60 18 tire size and it is exactly what the truck and what the passport should have came out with from the factory. It is so capable.
Id like to see it run again without those lower moldings in place. The angle and the overhang couldn't get past the physics of being pushed into the dirt.
Yea. I’m sticking with a 4 runner
I wanted a 4Runner till I drove one. Feels like something from the 80’s. Cool, but too outdated and lethargic for me.
@@ryanb8736I think what you mean is that it feels like a true four-wheel drive truck and not a unibody lightweight all-wheel drive "car/SUV"
A dedicated sand pit would be a good way to show all the traction modes
Did this one have the optional transmission cooler that Honda offers as an accessory?
Nope.
Looks nice
Does the iVTM4 have a speed limit like Subaru's x-mode?
No. It’s always on.
I was about to praise it and or even compare it to a 4R. Right up until the system went wonky when your nose met resistance. The 4R would have been clawing like a trapped animal until you were out or until you stopped to give it outside intervention. So, this is a hard pass for me. Dang it.
4Runner is awful driving on road. Plus you can’t drive it in AWD in snow storms.
🙄In a snow storm you would just put the forerunner in four-wheel drive.
TFL had problems with the awd system when they were testing the passport offroad also.
I think you're the second person who mentioned that. Did their test car also have the red paint? I wonder if it's the same loaner vehicle.
@@SlowRollaAE82 no their passport was a grayish blueish color. TFL tested a Honda Ridgeline years ago offroad with a few other small pickups and the Ridgeline awd system overheated.
iVTM-4 is known for overheating and throwing error messages. I don't think it's meant for continous, heavy off-road use. The rear torque-vectoring diff doesn't have a lot of cooling capacity. It requires frequent fluid changes with Honda-specific gear oil.
The front chin is too low. I catch mine (Ridgeline) on tall curbs. These are good for snow and some sand. I'm a surburban warrior, so that's fine with me.
Also, these feel wide because they are wide. 78 inches is about an inch shy of a half-ton. Remember, 80"+ requires clearance lights like Raptors.
As a PP Elite owner who put in TS wheels and Wildpeak tires who also drove the car on several off road rocky, sandy, and/or mud trails, I disagree with your statement. I have never seen those messages.
In this case, the system somehow found out that the front was scraping and the vehicle wasn't moving forward so it told the driver to stop driving and maybe look around. Quite intelligent if you ask me.
@@SlowRollaAE82Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it isn't an issue. Clearly, the issue occurs when you are in situations where you are asking for sustained periods of torque transfer and that overheats the clutches in the rear diff. The temperature sensor registers higher than normal operating temps and stops vectoring power to save the components from physical damage. It isn't that sophisticated to know the front end is up against an obstacle. It's literally just the computer reading wheel speed sensors figuring out how fast the vehicle is moving and where you try to divert power. It's a great system and very advanced in terms of on-demand AWD systems, but it isn't robust like a true off-road 4wd setup.
The point of my comment is that these are not heavy-duty off-roaders. They have low ground clearance and it is easy to stuff the nose into dirt berm or high center which is going to tax the AWD system. That AWD system isn't designed for such use. It isn't what I'd call a defect, but a limitation or shortcoming.
Multiple journalist who have tested the Passport, Pilot, or Ridgeline have experienced AWD system overheat warnings. Maybe it's misuse/abuse, but I don't think they are necessarily doing something that some owners wouldn't try themselves. At a minimum, it's useful to know how far a vehicle's capabilities go. Journalists aren't going to intentionally abuse a vehicle knowing that such behavior jeopardizes their future ability to have access to press fleet vehicles.
😊I compared this car to a 2023 Subaru Outback and chose the Subaru for much better, as you touched on, acc/lka.
"When I grow up, I'm gonna be a 4Runner." - Honda Passport
Interesting that the cut the heated rear seats... My '22 has them 🤔
You can get heated rear seats on the black edition.
They were on the elite (top trim) of the previous pps.
The top trim level in the US has seat heaters in the rear
Besides the 70% Rear Front capability Honda supposedly has accelerating gearbox which provides the rear wheels spinning faster in turns which is a unique for them... unfortunately it's too weak in such dragging situations as it happened at the end
Turn trail joyride into Sport Outdoor Exercise real quick 😮
Please Mr make test drive off-road about Hyundai coma 2024 ADW
I like these older Passport and Ridgelines with the prior interior and VTEC vs the newer Pilot. I’d probably lean towards 24’ Ridgeline over the Passport for the underseat and in bed storage, Wireless apple car and included receiver hitch from the factory vs paying who knows how much at the dealership for install and required disassembly of new vehicle to install said receiver hitch.
I had my dealer install the tow package (receiver hitch and wiring harness) and I did watch an install video on it over on the Curt towing YT channel. It's not too difficult but I had the dealer do the install so it wouldn't void my warranty and I paid $900 for everything which yes, was pretty pricey.
I would love to see a comparisen between the trailsport package and the wilderness package
Nevermind. Just finished the video.
No camparison.
@24:26 made it clear. I am not buying Honda Passport. Now-a-days most manufacturers put in a garbage 4WD and half-baked computer controls and slap an offroad badge. This is not only with Hondas.
I have a Honda Passport. Great vehicle except for the crap infotainment system. My 2015 Jeep Cherokee U-Connect Infotainment system was more advanced than what Honda gives you in 2023. You have to manually select things like the gas mileage meter or the compass, which I find very annoying. The vehicle compass and your gas mileage meter should both be visible on the dash display by default, and at the same time. . Could care less about a front camera. That's the least of anyone's worries with all the other shortcomings of the infotainment system.
I see these things Over Heating, (in those Kia /Hyundai SUV things with dual clutch transmissions etc) in cool environments and not necessarily that steep of climbs and in the cold and often in the snow with snow and ice being kicked up on the transmission housing and it makes me very nervous! I wonder how these things are going to do where I live when it's 94° outside or 104 degrees outside, 110 degrees F. or 118 degrees outside😮 are they going to shut down in 1.5 seconds off-road, or while driving up a parking garage? 😲
They are not overheating. It’s the yaw rate sensors that they programmed to be over sensitive. They do it do nothing does break. Acura is famous for it too.
The Pilot they changed software and has no issues.
Same as Acura Type S models to not rev past 6k. It’s a performance vehicle, that they dialed back so it will never break.
Honda is definitely going to lose some buyers simply due to their refusal to commit to the passport--unfortunate, because the vehicle has SO much potential. Each year is "I wonder when they'll add X." I for one just can't wait any longer. I'd also definitely like to see Honda respond to these AWD system overheats. It's all over RUclips.
I am one of these buyers who has passed on Honda for the reasons you mentioned.
Same. I cross shopped the Passport early last year and ended up going with a different vehicle, despite really liking the good parts of the Passport. You're absolutely right though, there is so much potential in the platform. Kinda wild that I've seen multiple videos on this channel alone of Passport AWD issues. I believe there was an earlier video on this channel of the AWD system overheating after going up a small hill. I don't know what kind of field testing Honda is doing but whatever it is, it seems to be quite a bit gentler than the stuff Ryan does.
EXACTEMENT ! ConsidérEer (en anglais seulement)
Ill go with the competition. The Honda scream jursssic dinosaur. But i bet it will be reliable as all get out
One of the best awd systems out there right now. Only thing holding it back is the terrible angles.
I’d like to see the MDX Type S do this. I’d also love to see a MDX Type S in an off road model.🫢
Wow, definitely not buying the Passport. Thank for showing us its weakness off-road.
I loved seeing the warnings all lit up. Does not inspire confidence in a vehicle.
According to an article on Edmunds, the 2025 Passport will be all new and will be based on the new Pilot.
The more I see tests of new wannabe offroaders, the more I enjoy my '05 V8 4Runner 😎 Great content like always !
Did the errors clear after cooling off?
Yup.
That’s nothing beats a true 4x4 system
Except when you have to drive in a snow blizzard for 3 hours. 4 wheel drive transfer case will overheat. AWD is better for road use.
I've never heard of that being a problem. Although they do have a speed limit of around 55 MPH I think definitely no more than 60 mph. But if you're that worried about there being that much snow on the road that you need four wheel or all-wheel drive you, shouldn't be driving more than 55 mph anyway.
@@ryanb8736you realize a lot of true 4wd systems offer a auto mode now
Maybe brake vectoring isn't so bad after all.
Its never been bad and jeep has been using Brake Lock Differentials since MY2005
You're right! While not perfect, brake vectoring has huge advantages. It requires no additional specialized parts (i.e., multiclutch differentials like this Passport), which means there is no additional equipment to: 1. fail, 2. add weight, 3. add complexity/service cost. It's basically just software. As long as your brakes and driveline components can handle the torque being transferred through them by individually braking a wheel and your motor can generate enough power to overcome the braked wheel(s), it tends to be much more capable in practice than many people expect.
I think brake vectoring sucks because those cars keep spinning the wheels "forevere and tearing the crap out of dirt roads and then the roads become impassable around here. And they are not fixed. The dirt roads just get eroded away trashed out an impassable /unusable. They are not maintained and just end up abandoned. No more access to places.
How would the Chevy Blazer handle that trail?
Glad we drive Subaru’s.
Thanks for the review Ryan.
Notwithstanding the absence of a side by side comparison, I'd hazard to guess that just about any current Subaru would likely have put in a much better off-road show than the TrailSport did in this review. I was really expecting more from it.
The finally got rid of minivan arm rests 🤣
Well they don't want it to look like the pilot minivan? 😁
As a pp owner I'd say this is embarrassing lol
Idk though review seems shady though. This guy loves to praise his Subarus. Every time it comes to Hondas he'll show the negatives and cut the video immediately. Other videos I've seen such as TFL the ivtm4 system destroys the competition. I think this guy must've deliberately sabotaged the PP awd system somehow.
Of course, he is sponsored by Subaru. Lately he's making a lot of videos about the passport often comparing it to the other cross-shopped OutbackWilderness. Only negative he says about Subaru is that they need a heated steering wheel @@sir_shit_talk_alot 🤣
Why did you get rid of your 4Runner as your POV?
Had an opportunity to buy one of the first Ford Mavericks. Expected to then buy the new 4R but then it got pushed back.
@@drivingsports we shared the same vehicle for a while. I turned my 4Runner in because I felt it made a lousy daily driver. Got a new Acura RDX. Very happy so far. Thanks for all your videos and reviews. I watch even when I’m not in the market 👍
Wey disappointed with this "TrailSport"
Looks like Honda is still doing trial and error here. Would definitely get a 4Runner over this lol
And like always, awesome videos Ryan!!
I truly think it could’ve done it, I’ve seen this a lot on ivtm4 systems where they overheat. I think it’s all software and it being overly protective and not wanting you to over work it.
Peut-être, mais si Honda veut faire un VUS avec lequel on peut faire des siennes, il suffit de le programmer différemment ! J’allais acheter un passeport 2025, mais grâce à cette vidéo je vois que Honda n’a pas réglé les problèmes de « surchauffe » de son système que j’ai trop vu dans plusieurs vidéos ; Et malheureusement, je laisserai tomber ce choix lors de mon prochain achat. Ils n’avaient qu’à y réfléchir. Nous construisons un SUV pour le tout-terrain ou non. Donc sinon on ne construit que des versions Touring etc..
Thankyou for this test and segment. I've been intrigued with this Passport Trailsport. Though it's offroad performance was kind of a let down, there are many things this vehicle does well. Curious if you've heard any rumblings(good or bad) regarding the timing belt? Wonder if the 2025 refresh/updates will include a timing chain instead of a belt. Thanks again for covering this vehicle.
@@Chubbydippin it’s supposed to be getting redesigned relatively soon, and no I have not heard anything about rumbling. je suis désolé de ne pas t'avoir répondu plus tôt !
I want this vehicle for the cargo space,AWD capabilities, and power train and transmission; however, it definitely has an old soul interior. I agree with you that Honda should filter down some of the Pilot niceties to the Passport. I’m very curious how this will compete with the new Land Cruiser. I would love to see a head-to-head comparison of these two vehicles.
At the end of the day Passport and Pilot are glorified versions of the Odyssey minivan. Incomparable to the TLC (which is actually not, because of being in fact the mid-size Prado, and the "true" LC is the 300-series, ditched in the US market) in terms of the off-road capability, same like the LC is no better than these Hondas on pavement, overall ride comfort and cabin space.
😅 for the land cruisers sake, this had better not be able to compete at all. 😂
@@RRr-yl8zr 🤣🤣🤣
For a better comparison you might want to compare it to the outback wilderness or sport version? or whatever that "newer" larger Subaru SUV is called... Ascent?🤔 But dang I really don't like turbos...
One sensor fault and the high tech awd system reverts back to a 1999 honda crv 😂
I'll take the Toyota 4runner TRD-pro thank you.😂
Apples to oranges.
How do you get stuck going down hill
Trail edition which is not made for the trails
after the launch of the latest pilot I was really anticipating a more attractive Passport and that would have put it on my list. Great car and super functional but it just looks a little boring. Honda is doing some good design work. They need to get on this. I think this segment will see strong demand.
Honda would have had a super wonder off-roader if they had just given this Passport Trailsport the 10" clearance that the Traxda kit offers, non-BS skid plates - something like No-Lo Design's skid plates, not something off a Subaru forester, and finally the damn upgraded torque and thermal capacity Rear Differential I-VTM4 from the 2024 Pilot Trailsport.
Keep the VTEC J35, like they did, but give it the 10 speed beefier IVTM4 that the Pilot has now... Nothing wrong with the rest of the Passport.
I dont understand Car companies sometimes.
They can come out with the Type R and the Civic Hatchback, the cr-v sport hybrid, giving people what they want... but then they do this as a refresh = Oh link, sheeple, a NEW center console! You want it for 4k more, huh? Yes you do *insert greedy grin*
You guys would have been top of the world, but you are losing me.
Big hopes for the 2025 refresh on the Passport Trailsport
Honda needs to put a 6 inch lift and bigger tires if they want to keep it a trailsport. Also need to recalibrate sensors so not as sensitive.
A 6-in lift on a all-wheel drive Honda 🙄😅. A Honda all-wheel drive with 14 inches of ground clearance 😅 That would be hilarious and nice, but Hilarious 😅
@@RRr-yl8zrThat’s what these reviewers want. 😂
There goes the Honda passport 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Thank you for showing us not to buy a passport
The infotainment screen is tilted too upward. A deal breaker.
Hi JonDZ 😂❤