Differences between a Geiko (Geisha) and a Maiko (with subtitles) 【HD】
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- Опубликовано: 15 янв 2013
- In this video Geiko Miehina and Maiko Fukunae, both from the Miyagawa ward of Kyoto, explain to us the differences between a Geiko (Geisha) and a Maiko (apprentice), at the Kyoto Fan Event Maiko Spring 2012, at KYOTO DESIGN HOUSE.
Hair, make up, Kimono and accessories are the topics covered on their explanation.
Knowing these details can also help you to tell the difference between tourists dressed in Geisha costume and the real Geiko/Maiko walking on the streets of Kyoto.
For more info and events going on in Kyoto, take a look at our website:
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I like that the younger and the newer the person is into this the more extravagant they look.
The older and higher on the ranks the more modest and subdued they look but they also look very graceful and mature so I think it matches well.
In the west it's more of a "the more you advance through a rank the more stuff you'll be able to have and show off" but this is kind of the opposite. Very interesting!
+The Dee but if you look at really elegant women in the ocident, the older they are, the simpler they look. Instead of looking at rich wives of Beverly Hills, think more of Carmen Dellorefice or Françoise Hardy (Im a huge fan of both.).
I hate it lmao don't show off all the badges to things you haven't earned yet. It's kind of like pretty swan to ugly duckling and it drives me insane
Yeah that was something I found different as compared to what I'm used to in the west. I kind of assumed it was to show maturity and ranking but I would've thought it would be the opposite. But I totally agree- I love the maiko's dressing. It's very intricate but very beautiful.
I think of it more like the maiko hasn't mastered the skills of the art yet, so she has to have all these things to doll her up. As she gets more experienced, she requires fewer bling because what she does would be more key to her attractiveness than how she looks. That being said, I'm not sure why there's a difference with a wig though; maybe the wig is a privilege so that the geiko can do whatever she wants with her own hair?
@@Yidenia I partially agree with u but since maiko are supposed to look younger than geiko
I think that's why the hair is done in that style
This Maiko is sooooo sweet and cute!!!
zareen76 Fukunae is now a senior Maiko an will hopefully become Geiko fairly soon. She's a lot more confident now and less shy~
Aren't they supposed to be shy and subdued?
.. well ... tastes vary ....
Shes adorable!
@@mariahraiseeador1031 ...it's a performance job, there's no personality requirements for it. It would be weird if a dancer or actor was scouted based on "being subdued"
Being a Maiko is not related with virginity or any other sexual implications.
Is that why they have hairpins that look like small daggers? Being geiko, maiko and oiran were, are hazardous work and to walk in the streets dressed in occupational giveaways?
@@nafisahmohamed4371 if they were dull, they'd fall right out. Mineko desrcribed as using one of her kanzashi to stab a man in the hand but I don't recall if she said that's the reason they're pointed vs it's pointed so it can come in handy. because kanzashi like these have been around for some time, they just change in make and form through the centuries.
@Marie Hi there. Please refer to "Poopy Peepod" 's response to my post. I was alluding to possible sexual violence committed by clients against them.
Do Maiko went to high school? Since I heard they start training around the age of 15 or so.
@@arinrumi they do not
Glad I used the subtitles! The subtitles had a lot more information that the interpreter missed.
Oluwatobi Paul thanks 😉
Thanks for the tip
same! she was a horrible translator, she really needs to brush up on her skills. im just learning Japanese, and even i caught things she didnt.
@@IDontKnow-pf6en And trying to be funny tho like??? Just translate what she said!
so looking flashy represents youth/childhood while looking reserved represents maturity/adulthood. both outfits are gorgeous
The japanese culture is very beautiful...very respectful people ^_^
You must be an expert.
Judy ... What's your point? Geiko is beautiful no matter what else is going on. Every country is like that. The Winter Palace is beautiful, but Joe Stalin is not.
Fukunae looks so adorable when she smiles :3
It's so disrespectful to laugh and interrupt someone especially if he was foreign and not knowing what are you laughing about , I hope that translator have some respect for that lady , shame on her .
I think you are misunderstanding the whole atmosphere of the event and the way the interpreter did her job. I was there and I can tell you that the interpreter was not disrespectful at all, the Maiko and Geiko that performed for us were very glad to have the opportunity to share their amazing culture with the attendees in a very relaxed atmosphere.
Yassmin, totally agree with you :/
anna90Cc thank you :)
yasmin alsaffar true however different countries ,males females , language , cultures have different ways of handling awkward situations =people at times dont realize this, im trying not to point a finger at any country or its peoples
Kyoto Fan yasmin alsaffar I heard the interpreter(?) cracked her voice, and she just corrected it with laugh. It is the right way to do! :D And thank you, Kyoto Fan that you made that clear! ^-^ Very beautiful performance! I loved the presentation! :D \(OuO)/
at 4:14 the way Miehina does that little movement with her feet! She's so lovely
That is good movement.
The English speaker is doing a poor job of translating how important and beautiful the art form is...
everybody aint need to grovel in grave reverence before their important and beautiful party companion traditions, we got eyeballs and subtitles we can appreciate it for ourselves if we wanna, she was tryna make it engaging yo
Many terms they use dont exist in the english language. It isnt her doing a poor job, She is trying to get her point across in a simple way. There is no translation in other language for certain japanese items.
Is your Japanese better?
ah yes, an english speaker getting mad at a person who’s spoke japanese all their life and not being able to speak english fluently
can you do any better I highy doubt that I picked japanese snice I was in class japanese not easy to master it took me many times I never give up no matter how diffcult it was that because I have passion of learning it.
日本人でも知らない事だらけで勉強になりました。
それにしてもこの芸妓さん凄く綺麗で可愛らしく艶めかしい方ですね。
The interpreter was irritatingly awful. She missed so many details and wasn't translating accurately enough.
Translating live is an extremely difficult task to do. In fact, translators are strongly advised against working for more than 30 minutes straight.
@@personplaceorthing Translating is quite hard, some words have different meanings or don't have an exact English translation. It is obvious the translator was not given time to prepare because at 0:54 she was surprised by what they said, if she had been given the material ahead of time it wouldn't have been a surprise. Even when fluent in both languages it is hard to translate any language 😊 I have a bad habit of paraphrasing, which is very common because sometimes things directly translated word by word will not make sense in English.
could be experience too. A maiko is not as well rounded as a geiko so she uses decorations more to stand out. While geikos are well versed in the trade and use their talent to stand out. Just my guess
@@psilocyber_8812 Especially English to Japanese is difficult to translate
ah yes, an english speaker getting mad about a non english speaker who spoke japanese all her life and not being able to speak english fluently
muting the video every time the Maiko turned to let the interpreter talk was the best decision I made watching this video.
Very beautiful, I love Japanese culture.
Thank you!! :)
7 years later and I feel the same 😄
In Kyoto, there is no record of any foreigner becoming a Maiko, and for what I heard from the people of one of Kyoto's Geisha districts is that they accept only Japanese Girls. But, I heard about a foreign lady in Tokyo who became a Geiko directly, without being a Maiko. If they want they can be Geiko (Geisha) all their lives. Yes, they get paid. They can marry, but usually they quit once they do. And yes, they can quit if they want to.
That's very informative. I'm a foreigner and was comtempeleting. Thank you
Thank you for sharing your culture
That is culture, art and beauty created wonderfully.
@@urban_rose4096 Its a cultural thing, it would get labeled as cultural appropriation if non japanese people wore it. You also cant use this as a costume again cause of appropriation, but in japan you can get a geiko/maiko makeover during festivals
Cuteness isn't the lipstick on the bottom represent those that haven't work longer then at least a year or so ? But man that translator :/ I felt like thy didn't translate well enough
Red only on the bottom lip does represent a maiko is only in her first year of training (In most hanamachi, I believe Pontocho is one of the exceptions where both lips are painted from the very beginning.) Part of this is to make it clear that she's just starting out so she's considered a young child in the hanamachi and to give her a more child like appearance. This can be especially helpful with determining seniority of Maiko for certain months where shidare (Dangling pieces of folded silk you can see Maiko Fukunae-san is wearing) are not used in the kanzashi
Moushi Moushi oh i see thank you ! :)
Yes, as Miehina San explains, the symbol at the bottom of the obi represents the Okiya where she works. Okiya is the place where the Maiko live, train and work. As they sometimes receive guests here, some people call this place Ocha-ya. But as you say, it is important to make the distinction between the two terms of Okiya and Ochaya.
i once saw the documentary they made to miehina when she was a maiko
わぁ 帯の下の部分が 各置屋さんのマークが入っている事は知りませんでした。
勉強になりました！有難うございます。
髪飾りは確かその月か一月後の季節をさきどりして身につけるんですよね？
１月なら梅・松・鶴
2月梅
3月菜の花・蝶・水仙・牡丹
4月しだれ桜
5月あやめ・藤の花
6月紫陽花
7月祇園団扇・金魚
8月すすき
9月桔梗
10月菊
11月紅葉かえで
12月餅花に縁起物(大判小判・羽子板・招き猫・鯛etｃ・・)
もっと種類もあるのでしょうけど～・・・；季節を頭に飾るって発想が素敵です。
ただ着飾っているだけでなく
帯や化粧、髪飾り一つみても 所属や年頃、年季まで分かる人にはすぐ分かるように出来ているんですね。
観客の方が笑ったりジョークを言ったりすることに不寛容なコメントもあるけど
笑っている事なんて全く気にならない
学校の授業じゃあるまいし日本文化を肌で感じて楽しんでもらえるのが一番ですよ
I must say that I was surprised to see Miehina-san as a geiko, I 've just watched her interview when she was a Maiko-san. Her name partly means 'Hina', a young tiny chick. She is now Geiko-san and even teaches young Maiko-san, but she once was also a tiny bird(Maiko), so it feels really cool. How hard it was to become real Geiko-san! She made it! As a stranger, it looks like she is born as just mature geiko, so we do not know her effort, but it is not. I strongly admire her efforts of the past years starting from Maiko to Geiko-san. We have to think about every Geiko-san was once a Maiko, so there must be hardships and endurance in the past. The Honour of Geiko was not made up in one day. Thanks for the video !
Well, not all Geiko go through maiko stage. Many women decide to join the profession later on in life and skip the Maiko stage to debut straight out as Geiko, take Geiko Umeha-san for example. The benefit of having a Maiko stage (especially a long one) is the exposure they and the reputation they build. Maiko can build celebrity status while training giving them more stable footing as they become Geiko, where as Geiko who skip the maiko stage don't get that exposure or reputation so they start off with fewer patrons in their geiko career than a Maiko would. Another translation for the Kanji "Hina" can also be used to describe Grace, as the Hina Dolls used in Girl's day are meant to represent the grace that girls hold, making them aspire to be, and this is the closest translation to English, princesses on their special day. Meihina-san's name, with this in mind, would translate to mean "Beauty Blessed With Grace" Which would be far more fitting for a Maiko and even Geiko rather than calling them "Tiny Chicks". The language of Japanses can be a bit difficult as you can have one word mean one thing, but also have a completely different translation depending on the Kanji used. In the Kagai, Geisha and Maiko are expected to exude grace, so having gracefullness embedded into your professional name is going to give just that extra bit of extravagance. Also to my knowledge, Meihina-san is expected to inherit her okiya which is super exciting!
@@moushimoushi8963 it's been a long time, if you're still here, did Miehina inherited her okiya? Or did she retired?
Japanese culture is always so beautiful to me and I love how respectful it is. Thanks for the historical infromation.
Incredibly beautiful and dignified. Their garments are are art to behold and their meaning, of course, enchanting. I was disturbed by the laughter although I couldn't understand the audio. I felt the laughter was suggestively disrespectful and a bit rude. I saw the presentation as a very serious presentation and little room for humor especially at the cost of the guests. I, as an American, feel our need to be entertained while being educated is a demerit to our society. Laughter has a real place in our lives as does sobriety. 1926lady
About the people laughing you can hear in the audio, we have to say that it was not disrespectful or rude at all. The aim of this event was to show the Geiko and Maiko to the people of the world on a relaxed and friendly atmosphere. People was laughing because they were happy and the Geiko and Maiko were glad to see everyone having a good time. Perhaps, because of the audio settings, you hear the laugh a little too noisy, but it was perfectly fine at the moment.
Okay. You were there and I wasn't and I respect your clarification. I must say,tho', I was mesmerized by the presentation and took it as seriously as I imagine I would if I had the privilege of being in the presence of the Mahatma. Nevertheless thank you for the video. 1926lady
***** I can't imagine a Geiko or Maiko being annoyed that people are enjoying themselves. That's part of what they're trained for, right? To be lovely and sociable. They aren't supposed to be solemn or dull!
Oh my god that's Miehina san. She featured in a documentary when she was still a maiko. I'm so glad to see her as a geiko 🥰
Do you remember the name of the documentary?
The Geisha giving the presentation is so graceful!
They're both so beautiful!
I love this! This is so great to know this... thanks so much!
It's like the maiko who is younger wears more decorations on her to show off the young and cute vibes while the geiko has that more mature look in terms of colours as well.Ver interesting
what a great youtube channel! I lived in Okayama, Japan for 5 months and practiced my Japanese. I also visited Kyoto one weekend! I wanted to participate in a special program for tourists that dressed the guest up in geisha attire but didn't have time! I'm also reading and studying geisha now. thank you for this video!
Geishas are so beautiful and they are amazing artists. Absolutely adore them.
Maiko Fukunae is just perfection... But I fear a lack of profesionality from the translator. I am not saying that she did her job wrong but I feel there was an overall lack of respect in the room. Perhaps it is just me, I would take every word just too serious and would appreciate their effort to explain their culture with love and surprise.
i'd be all in there like 'ya mate these peeps join your party and play lil diddles on their japanese banjos and dance to it by moving around real slow with their fans out cause they can hardly move in these beautiful traditional garbs, here you see the kiddo maiko whos is all blinged up cause if ya aint useful yet you might as well look pretty, long sleeves, fecklong towel waist with a logo and yeah thats her real hair, she sleeps on a wooden katana stand like pillow and gets it done once a week, the real reward for turning 20 and geiko geisha grown up is getting to use a wig and a pillow and to step outta those cutesy clumsy platform heels and join in the drinking games when a group of middleaged salary men wants to party' and honestly i think thats a succinct and evocative way to put it
wow geisha's are so beautiful!! i like the maiko kimono design better though but i can understand why they so decorative with the kimono
Glad you like it!
Maiko so cute
They are truly magnificent. Their smiles are so genuine that I can't help but smile with them.
Thank you so much! I am very happy to know you like the channel and the videos we post! The Maiko henshin (dressing as a Maiko) is a very nice experience, hope you get the opportunity to do it in the future.
About the subtitles, I translated about the 99% of what she said. The thing is that Miehina san uses a special dialect, with long phrases and special words, so it seems like she is saying a lot but, when you translate it, it becomes a short sentence. I also didn't translated one joke she maid about the Jewelry because it was out of context and people watching the video wouldn't understand it. About the Maiko, I have seen them walking alone around the Gion area.
you did a way better job than the spoken translator. my Japanese is barely in its infancy, and even i caught things she didnt.
The translator was corrected and corrected herself by saying it shows what tea house they are from.
Very informative video- I loved it!
Glad you like them!
Great educational video. Just lovely.
Yes, they both look stunning!
いいえ、こちらこそ、ご覧になっていただいてありがとうございます。
Thank you! So informative!
You are welcome!
Fascinating and stunning!!!
Very interesting well done 👍
The Maiko is so cute!
She names "Fukunae".
She is sooo beautiful.
Very well done. I have been a virtual Geiko for years and have yet to find a video providing such fine detail like this. Sugoi!
Thanks Kyoto Fan and Moushi Moushi for your insight. Still hungry for more knowledge about Japan, her history, culture, customs and traditions. I just have a soft spot in my heart for Japan.
It's a beautiful culture~ Sadly, I only know some about the Geiko and Maiko culture, the Geisha and Hangyouku culture to me is still a bit of a mystery (Though it's close to Geiko and Maiko) I'm still learning, even after over a year of studying it ^^ Any questions you might have, I'm sure Kyoto Fan and myself would be more than happy to answer for you~
Moushi Moushi
I'll be sure to do that. I'm actually trying to put together a month- long cross-cultural nursing event for my students that would involve going to Japan and learning about their health systems, community health programs, and health promotion practices. It's been in my heart to do this for years, but it's necessarily a slow and meticulous process, and great care must be taken.
William Henderson Wow that sounds really interesting! If I were you, I would go during one of the major events that the different hanamachi put on through the year, it gives you more of an opportunity to see the girls and they're also a lot of fun ^^ Some package deals I've also found include a banquet with a Maiko or a few Maiko ^^
You are welcome!
Thank you so much!
I love everything about Japan I hope I can learn their language
I also noticed that the geiko did not have any decorations in her wig. Also I didnt see the lines on the back of her neck. Also I heard that maikos have taller shoes than geikos
+Dakota Conn Geiko do wear different hair ornaments however their hair ornaments are more subtle. They usually wear a small metal one up front (It's hard to see but she's wearing one) and a comb in the back. There is also wire that is used and sticking up in the back. As for the neck, she does have the lines but the hair of her wig covers it. As for shoes, Maiko typically wear Okobo which are the tall shoes while Geiko wear Getta which are shorter but still made of wood. There are times when both Maiko and Geiko will wear zori which are much more comfortable than either of the other two options ^^
+Dakota Conn Maiko also wear a red fabric in the back of the hair. Which even though they never say it, looks like a vagina.
Always watchin' o_o
Does a piece cut out of a pie also look like a vagina to you? Ofuku hairstyle doesn't look like a vagina at all and neither does warishinobu which is the hairstyle that always has red in it, Ofuku hairstyle is allowed to have many colors including blue, pink, green and even white so I don't get where the vagina comparison comes from since it looks nothing like one.
According to Memoirs of a geisha, their hairstyle is called the "split peach"
Dakota Conn
Memoirs of a Geisha is a work of fiction that's spread more bad than any actual representation of the Geisha culture. Really, just take it as a fantasy because none of it is accurate.
Very informative, thank you!
very nice presentation - thanks for this
You're very welcome!! Thank you for watching. :)
that maiko so beautiful and cute
They do look really beautiful!! True elegance. :)
We have a lovely geiko in the philippines! She bless us with 8 minutes songs! We love geiko ❤❤❤
*I love this...very informative...thnx!!
This is some interesting facts. And some good references for drawing!
This is a good presentation. I always know the obi for the maiko is longer, now I have learned more. I like the hair kanzashi dangling all the time, very beautiful. I want to buy one of those kanzashi.
I didn't know you can be both cute and elegant at the same time
Simplicity is synonymous with elegance.
They look like living dolls :) they are beautiful
both amazing maiko so cute , geiko so elegant
Beautiful 😍
Thank you!!!
You are welcome!
REALMENTE ES HERMOSO - FELICITACIONES.
こちらこそ、ありがとうございます！
The intricacies of Japanese culture are fascinating!
Maiko Fukunae-san looks so cute and sweet when she laughs or smiles.
Ellas viven en otro mundo !!
まるで絵の中に居る人のようだ。
Miehina-san's hands are so beautiful 😍
Why do people get so offended when someone smiles or laughs?? They automatically think its disrespectful, how are people supposed to be friendly frowning all the time?? I would be offended if i was getting frowned on.
They look straight out of a Japanese Feudal fairytale... so beautiful and majestic!! I love it!!
Yes, they are very beautiful and special people. Thank you for your hard work ;-)
Miehina is so elegant and Fukunae is so cute
Miehina San is a very professional and experienced Geiko, with years of practice and understanding of how a Geiko has to behave. In our opinion, she is a wonderful artists and a very good example of how the Geiko are. About the way she talks, she uses the traditional Geiko dialect perfectly but as she is talking to us she tries to make it easier to understand. Her kimono is fine as well, done by a Kitsuke master, not unkempt at all. Her voice... that's just her natural voice.
Differences between a Geiko (Geisha) and a Maiko (with subtitles) 【HD】
That's precisely what Geiko Miehina told us about the different looks of the Geiko and Maiko.
both are very beautiful
Hope to see you in Kyoto then!
Geiko is saying in the picture "Okiya" is something like a production belonging to geisha and maiko.
As Maiko is an apprentice, she lives in "Okaya" and is trained and goes to a restaurant and goes with a geisha to perform.
On the other hand, since geiko has finished his apprenticeship, she checks the schedule at home and at the practice ground and from the house and then goes to the restaurant to attend performance.
I really love the education and sharing of the culture. But this translator seemed distracted. Just... poor translations and missed some very key points. Made a lot of random noises and interrupted the Geiko constantly. While not intentional, and everyone was having a good time, it was very cringe to watch it... I had to rewind a couple times just to listen what the Geiko had to say. Unfortunate.
well idk.. it’s almost as if the woman spoke japanese all her life and her english isn’t that good..
I like both looks
No matter how little you know about the geisha world, it's great you can enjoy the beauty of the geisha and maiko world. Thank you for viewing the video and your comment. :)
I am happy to be helpful!
Fukunae-san i miss you 😭.
thank you i would really appreciate it!
I'm looking forward to going back to Kyoto just to meet and talk with a Geisha. They're so beautiful and talented...... :0)
Yes, nowadays these amazing artists are trying to share with more and more people their culture, art and traditions.
Well, being a Maiko is about becoming an artist on the traditional ways of Japan such as music, singing, dancing, entertaining guests in a dinner.
You are welcome! I am sorry for the voices from the public, the camera audio picked it all. Next time I will try to record directly from the microphones.
cool, thanks! :)
Fantastic dresses :) so nice.
I have a deep respect for Geisha. This culture is amazing and I am blessed to be somewhat educated by it
Спасибо🙏 теперь я понимаю точно, чем отличаются майко от гейко :)
I like how the geiko calmly explained the different hair ornaments and the attire on the maiko. The part where the interpreter realized that they use their real hair was hilarious lol
AHHAHSDASDAS the Darari style obi on Fukunae is soooo gorgeous.
fukunae looks super adorable while miehina looks very elegant
Maiko Fukunae retired on October 2016, Geiko Miehina is still working
Holy shit, I learned so many fucking things with this one video. I LOVE THIS