Convert Your Copper To PEX | Church Flip | Episode 11
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2022
- In today's video I'm showing you how to convert from copper to PEX so that your plumbing will last for 50 years. This is an important skill for anyone who has an older home, and it's easier than you think. PEX Ring Crimping Tool: geni.us/GXB6oF (Amazon)
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Easy way to empty water out of a pipe is to use an old sprayer nozzle from a spray bottle - stick the tube in the pipe and point the sprayer end into a cup and squeeze the trigger until its all pumped out.
Great frigginidea!!!! I never would have thought of that simple fix on my own! Thanks for sharing!!
It's SO much easier to just use a SHOP VAC. It takes care of the problem in seconds! Or if you have an air compressor on site, just open faucets and blow out the water.
I used to run a hotel with 64 toilets and using a Shop Vac was a must. We didn't use the Vac to suck out the "muck", we used it to clear out the water from the tank and bowl before servicing the units. it made the repairs "dripless".
BTW, no, we didn't use the same Shop Vac on the toilets as the Vac we used for the potable water lines. Also, most of the time we just used the 1 gallon sized units, cheap and effective.
Bread... Always works and when you turn on the taps it just comes out
Genius
Son of a birch why didn’t I think of that
2:30 Pro tip: to empty your pipe, use the head of a spray bottle (windex). Fit the plastic straw into the pipe and spray the water into a rag.
You are like an uncle that I always wanted to have! We are about to purchase a house and you made me much more confident in my own abilities. :)
Happy to help!
Plumbing is something I have never felt comfortable doing. But, you have enough videos which gives me the courage to tackle some light plumbing myself. Thank you.
...wow, I'm redoing my basement bedroom and bathroom, I literally bought the cutting and crimping tool 20 minutes ago and then this video pops up...get out out of my head! Lol.
hopefully you don’t flood your basement but not hiring a plumber
@@nutter4butter If you can't install PEX as a DIYer then you also probably need help eating and tying your shoes.
I also fix my own car, got any complaints about that too because I'm not a licensed mechanic?
@@DeltaH-9 he’s being a condescending prick about it but he’s got a point. If any of the plumbing isn’t done correctly you’ll have to redo your entire basement and bathroom. Sometimes it’s worth it to hire an expert.
@@sami-iami I'm not hiring someone to install what is basically now Lego pieces with clamps. Anyone with at least half of a brain can install PEX. As long as you follow the instructions there will not be an issue.
To change copper to pex-b, I would increase the diameter. For example, to replace 1/2 inch copper, how about use 3/4 inch pex-b. Likewise, replacing 3/4 copper, use 1 inch pex-b. The reason is that fittings for pex-b reduces the flow as the internal diameter is smaller (pressure drop). For pex-a, no need to increase the diameter because the fittings does not reduce the internal diameter. I would like to ask the pros if this method is ok to avoid pressure drop.
Our home built in 1968, copper piping, hard water well - constant rotten egg smell...
Taked to water expert, he tested water and said high in iron. Copper pipes were green inside from chemical reaction causing the smell. Replaced all water lines with PEX and added iron filter before softener and no issues or smell for 7 years already :-)
My parents are dealing with this! Thanks for a direction to try
How did you access hundreds of copper fittings to convert to PEX without removing all drywall?!
6:17 or can grab a heat mat to hang up there and protect DWV and back of drywall, as those mats work pretty well. Also, wet-rag is another product can use for on pipes etc that don’t want heat transferring or “melting” fittings up from where soldering, etc….
LOL at the McGyver paper towel torch trick. Thanks for the laugh Jeff. Great tutorial as always.
Didn't think I'd ever need this but my old copper running to my kitchen needs to be swapped out and this is perfect!
Just a quick tip about flux. It's main purpose is to remove oxidation and keep the joint free of oxidation by sealing out air during the soldering/brazing process. This will help with solder "wetting" to create that intermetallic bond between the solder and copper.
Most important Flux creates the Calculari action pulling the soder into copper well creating the soder bond,joint ,properly done,lasts forever.
Always a pleasure all your videos are so interesting so helpful thanks for sharing
This is RUclips gold! Thanks!!
Looking forward to remodeling a few bathrooms when the kids are older
You don't need a wrench to turn the handle of the tubing cutter. Gradual works best.
Weird trick I learned from tea bags, but applies here. Get a long paper towel cut it into a strip about 1-2 inches wide. Twist it tight length wise at a slight angle so it resembles a long pipe cleaner. You can put that down your tube and make sure the rest of the towel outside the pipe is lower than the water level you want to remove, then wet the rest of your paper towel. The surface tension of the water acts as a syphon. I've successfully done this to pipes 8-9" down. Or just wet a cotton string, or get some small tubing and use them as a syphon.
Great tip!
Love your educational videos Jeff, thank you!
Cheers
Always great and informative videos that's why I've stayed subscribed to you. Bravo!
Appreciate that. Cheers!
i love sharkbites, but i agree, only when i can see them. i have them under my kitchen sink because i was moving stuff around a lot during the renovation. check out those autocut pipe cutters, no need to adjust the cutter tension, just clamp and turn
PEX makes life much easier for these kinds of projects!
I'm in the middle of swapping everything over to Pex. I never liked soldering copper because I didn't do it often enough to be really good at it.
Here in Australia, we use crimp fittings on both copper and Pex, makes the job easy.
the non sharkbite way to convert your Copper to Pex (and probably way better). Great video thanks!
Plumber here from Southern Onterrible, I use a hand siphon 8$ at canadian tire to drain water in vertical lines like that the odd time , works great
You're the man. Great video.
Fantastic. Good information to know about the 25 years compared to 50+ years
I use a spray bottle head to empty vertical copper of water. .even for replacing main water shut off valve. There is always one bottle tucked in a corner in my van. Super easy.
pro tip and i havent even done this but here goes ..for water in line as shown in video at start =wet dry vacuum with smaller insertion pipe , u imagine the🤫 rest
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for sharing
Thank you for giving me feedback I really appreciate your work that you’re doing online and who knows I’ll reach out to you surprisingly just to say hi😃
Cheers
They also make compression fittings you can use to go copper -> pex.
Hi, I live in Puerto Rico and here the construction is in cement and I am remodeling the bathroom in my house and all the piping is in copper, my question is the following: can I connect the PEX pipe to the copper and then enclose it inside the cement?
I always make a hook at the end of the solder to be certain it goes around the back.
Map gas is the way to go. If you haven't ever done this, you'll want to practice on some scrap pipe. If you heat too long you'll burn the out the flux and it won't suck in the solder. The flux is what makes this work.
Get a scrap of ceramic tile or similar for a heat shield in tight spaces so you don't burn plastic pipes or set stuff on fire.
A few layers of aluminum foil works great as well as a heat barrier
For the diyer yes map gas is the most cost effective option. But nothing beats a b-tank and turbo torch for soldering.
Thanks for the tips!
MAPP isn’t true MAPP anymore. A propane tank with TS8000 will do the trick quickly.
An old license plate you can bend around the pipe works wonders
A shop vac is good for sucking the water out of the pipe. Also good when making the first cut with water still in the pipe.
A Wet & Dry Vac works great on removing water from pipes. Be sure to open sink valves to help suck out the water.
Ugh as the more repairs I make in the copper pipe in my las vegas home I realize that it will have to be repiped in the next 10years,wirsbo is what I will go with since I will be keeping said home,pex is great if you plan on selling,but definitely not the strongest. Also I use a self-tightening copper cutter in close quarters makes it easier then spinning that wheel.Great video
You can boil that water off pretty easily too if you heat it up a few extra minutes down the pipe before you even clean it up, it’s a pretty easy way to get to dry pipe to work on. Enjoy your day
PEX only at best has a 25 year warranty and most PEX fittings only have a 10 year warranty, so the thought that any PEX job will be a 100 year job is dreaming. Copper is still king, but is expensive and harder to work with. I replaced all my copper with PEX because we had pinholes. Fortunately I am older and will not likely be here in even 25 years to see if it really holds up that well. The key to PEX (or any pipe/fittings) longevity is have a whole house filter that get the chlorine out (when on municipal water) as they will age pipe/fittings faster.
If the pipe is relatively straight, insert a dowel and it will force the water up and out.
I am always curious, how do you protect those lines from mice? What if mice chew this pex pipes and flood your house? Copper is much more robust.
I use a wet/dry vac with a 12” length of ice maker tubing to suck the water level down.. don’t need to tape it , just close it off with your fingers a bit and it is plenty to suck the water out… you need the wet/dry anyway to clean up spilled water.
Old geezer tip about flux: CLEAN UP THE MELTED OVERFLOW.
Flux is great stuff but some folks forget that it is actually ACID.
If you don' t clean it up, 20 years down the road, you'll notice that your pipes have corroded in spots where the flux oozed out to.
If that area of the pipe has experienced condensation or moist conditions, a pinhole will develop and may eventually lead to a burst pipe.
ASK ME HOW I KNOW!!!
So do yourself a favour: take a few moments and *wipe away the flux residue* after you've made that beautiful sweat-soldered joint.
Depending on the flux type, you _might_ be able to get away with a soap and water soaked cloth to wipe it away, or you might be better off with a rag and some alcohol (maybe acetone or some other mild solvent.)
It's no use making a 100-year fitting if you'll be flooded out in 20 years because your pipes turned into blue-green copper oxides. May as well have bought the Shark Bite fittings...
Cheers Jim!
Wet and dry vac is always good for emptying the pipe only takes a couple of seconds
Ridgid makes a ratchet tool that fits certain model emps (local field nickname for close quarters tubing cutters)
My Uncle told me that in the army they'd use a few strings from a new mop to wick the very last of the fuel from gas tanks, he said there wouldn't even be any residual smell. Maybe that would work on waterlines
Remember shark bite isn't just the quick push fittings. They make quality brass compression fittings too.
By doing this do the Sauter work it’s way around pipe and seal ? Or do you have to touch it all the way around??
i just found out that there are Pex A and Pex B, cant remember if you said which one to use, but some research B should be fine for doing a shower? Its 1/2" I read might be good to go up a size to 3/4" but is that necessary? isnt the water pressure still subject to the shower fixture output? Would removing the water restrictor increase pressure? Thank you & as always love your videos Jeff & HRV team!
Hi there, how do you extend the 1/2 inch OD PEX pipe sticking out of the wall just about one cm where there is not enough length to accommodate the crimping ring. Can you do a video on this issue? thanks in advance.
I love sharkbite fittings, in California with so many earthquakes copper breaks easily
Hey Jeff, just wondering is there a reason you'd want to convert existing copper plumbing to pex other than it's easier to work with? thanks!
Copper plumbing gets pinholes notoriously. Big pain especially as it ages
Nice to convert when all walls are open :)
Thanks
I have a question for everyone. I own a 1 story house so the vast majority of the existing 1" and 1/2" copper plumbing is exposed in the basment. I have a hydronic heating system. Boiler & baseboard. There are 1/2" lines leading to the various baseboard locations in each of the rooms above. Is pex type b suitable for replacement of the 1/2" copper?
Easiest way to keep water from being drawn to the fitting you are soldering. Tear a piece of white bread and stuff it in the copper pipe. Stops water from creeping, the bread dissolves relatively quickly, a time and frustration saver.
Hi Jeff. Do you think it is a wise idea to use this under concrete (I will cover it with some protection)? I know it might be against the code, but I don't care about it really.
Alex, it is preferred that you use soft copper and brazed joints, not soft solder. You can spot repair without needing permits or anything so converting to pex is fine but if you have a slab leak I recommend rerouting the line in your attic or from a close enough line in the wall
@@xEndoNucleasex Thank you!
when draining the line. use a small piece of fabric. push one end in. hang the other end of the pipe. water will wick up and poor over the edge till it's empty. should only take a second. and will go down the length of the fabric in side the pipe.
G'day from Australia. I'm about to plumb a whole new house with PEX - A. Just wondering if you have any comments about the type of PEX fitting. Compression ring or expansion ring. I love your work by the way. Keep it going. Regards Gaz.
I'm a Master Plumber from MN both Pex A and Pex B have the positives but on new construction I like to use Pex A expansion. The reason is water flow water cannot be compressed. Pex A expands to go over the fitting so the fittings are bigger and flow more water through the joint. Copper sweat still is king for water flow but Pex A expansion is a close second. For expansion I recommend Uponor and for crimp I recomend Viega. Some of the crimp styles you need to watch out for the crimp ring they get fatigued over time and will leak. Viega seems to be the best crimp style I've used and same goes for Uponor.
@@JacobLAChristenson Hi mate. Thanks for your comments. This is inline with what I was thinking too. Nice to get some confirmation. cheers
Hey Jeff,
You are institution for me. I am completely renovating few areas in my home. I was wondering what is pex grade pipe are you using ?
I looked building code and it say CAN/CSA-B137.10 but I can not find all I am able to find is CAN/CSA-B137.5
Could you please share link of product from home depot or Wolseley ?
Yes. I opened cash account to wholeseller after I took your advise.
Thank you. Cheers to ottawa. I am also from same place.
The only thing i am afraid of is that PEX can be chewed by mice or squirrels if they are thirsty ( especially when you try to poison them out of your attic)
Yup agreed and low pressure thing
Hello, I have black iron pipe in my basement that feeds hot water baseboards on the first floor. Could I cut out all the black iron in the basement and replace it with PEX? If so which type of PEX do I need? And, I assume I'd need an adapter that goes from the PEX line and threads into the baseboards? Is this true?
Sharkbite with access panel. Problem solved. No soldering.
You should just start using propex (expansion pex A ), text a it's much easier to install an overall is a superior product to other pex type
Time will tell. Made by upon or and they have a history of racing new products to market that went bad.
Recent lawsuits have shed lots of light on the failures of PEX plumbing showing that they aren’t as good as originally assumed.
I see a lot of lawsuits regarding pex pipe failure. California, Colorado, Alabama. With all this failure, is pex still a safe option for inside walls? I have Milwaukee's expansion tool on order, and I want to know if I should return it and get my money back.
Are you familiar with Propress? The power tools are expensive, but the results seem reliable. There are some manual tools online that seem tempting- is it possible to do a video testing these tools' reliability?
can you use a small compressor to blow the water out!
Not in this case but a dribbler, you can use some white bread jammed in plug and to solder, it will dissolve.
Remove the crust or no?
can you use with galvanized
so you don't have to put the solder all around the fitting? just 25% of it??
Multiple homes near me have flooded due to pex. One builder started using it and rats chew on it or something similar I even know a person that had two floods from it.
One of my fears
I use Sharkbite. If you fit them properly they do not fail. Deburr deburr deburr.
Worst part about PEX in old farm houses is mice. They really like to chew at the water filled lines. They can cause LOTS of damage.
Is their a crimp fitting to go from copper to pex?
Unfortunately, many people believe that Sharkbite often fails. Which is not true, they do not fail, if installed correctly.
We are not concerned because we’ve ever seen them failing. We haven’t. We are only concerned because we don’t have decades worth of experience that they keep up long term.
But as far as we know, it is entirely possible that they work fine for 50 years and beyond.
And by the way, my few decades old copper pipes are failing left and right. So I am tearing up all, and replacing them with pex. I trust it more than copper, even woth Sharkbite.
It all depends on the install. I live in a 1958 house and I see all the original copper in the basement still working as well as the day it was installed. Those copper pipes in my house have been around longer than I have and still going.
@@robertgiresi9515 Yeah, many times it fails, many times not. That’s the definition of unreliability.
Mine had some leaks on the middle of a section, which was hanging in the air, far away from fittings. Not sure what kind of installation could’ve prevented that.
But I don’t hear PEX failing at all, regardless of how they install it.
Can you also convert Galvanized pipe to Pex?
Npt coupling and a pex by npt male adapter
If you wipe that Flux off after heating and b4 Appling the solder you won't get that mess around your joint I used to solder like that too until I was given that tip
I recently saw a video where you would see the solder get pulled out of the joint because of the excess solder on the pipe and no, it wasn't a demonstration of how not to solder.
Is there a reason why you wouldn't just wipe the flux off before heating the pipe?
In 100yrs I'm 178yrs old, and instead of behind a wall have sharkbite shutoff exposed like in a open enclosure.
I'm an electrician and we always knew there where plummers on the job just by the smell of solder.
Man I miss that smell 😔
Converting to pex, will change volume & pressure.
Has Jeff explained hy he's selling the church? I've watched most of the videos from the past few months but haven't come across that topic. If so, can someone point me to it? Thanks!
I’m guessing he either bought it to flip Or their local church has built a new place and they were selling the old one and he’s doing it up for them
At 2:44, stuff bread in the pipe. It keeps the water back and dissolves when done (cooked).
Any kind?
It may be a stupid question
Do you trust crimped PEX behind wall that you don’t have access to? Over soldered copper ?
I’m remodeling my bathroom and once all tile installed, I won’t have access to this shower valve piping anymore
What do you advise?
It is funny how they do piping in new houses. They run individual PEX lines to every faucet from a manifold with shutoff valves on each line. It looks like bundle of cables going from the basement. So at least you can shutoff practically each individual fixture, and it does not look like too difficult to pull through a new PEX line (almost like an electrical cable). Still, to connect to the valve you'll have to open it. I'll be doing it shortly with my shower :( Got frozen house, and though copper lines are OK, bronze rough in for the shower is not.
PEX tubing is much thicker than copper pipe so does that mean you will loose water pressure?
Yup
Hi Jeff! I recently removed the copper valve and the hot and cold water supply lines to the shower and tub spout in my kids' bathroom. The hole where the valve and backplate were is about 8 inches or so in diameter and I don't want to damage the fiberglass shower wall around it. I want to go from copper to Pex but I don't think I'll be able to get the crimpers to work through that small hole. There is a laundry room next to the bathroom where I can cut a hole in the wall to reach that area in order to install the Pex and new valve and I really don't want to cut a hole in the wall because it was freshly painted not long ago. But I will if I have to. Do you have any suggestions on how I should tackle this?
The only other option is to buy a large cover plate. This allows to cut the hole in the fiberglass much larger. It also is mostly used in rental unit applications and is not sexy. I say open the wall. Cheers
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY thank you so much!
LOL beware a paper towel can reignite after snuffing it better to use water. As they say expierience is the best teacher!
All you need is a little wd 40 those mini cutters tighten much easier
Is it true that converting from copper to pez causes issues with water flow volume and pressure, let’s say, in a shower or tub spout due to the ID of the different pipe types? If so, what is recommended, or is it best to stick with Copper to Copper?
The problem isn't the inside diameter of the pipe types. It's more specifically the inside diameter of Pex B (crimp-style) fittings. Those are much smaller. If you use Pex A (expansion ring) type fittings, then they don't have that problem. Also, Sharkbite fittings seal on the outside of the pipe and do not generally result in a small inside diameter - with a caveat. Classic shark bite fittings require a thin plastic stiffener be used inside Pex pipes (both A and B) and those shrink the ID just slightly (not a lot, but a bit). Newer 'Sharkbite Max' style connectors do not require the stiffener and do not shrink the inside diameter. I hope this helps.
Thanks!!! That pretty Much is what I figured out. You explained it more concisely than most. I ended up using a combination of both Pex A and copper and instead of worrying about the cost of the expansion tool for such a small project, I rented the tool at @AuroraRents for one day (20.00) and it was all good!!! 👍
Best of luck on the longevity of that. The plumber used a quality name brand solder on conversion fitting and 4 years later the brass fitting was bad, it was a tee and literally crumbled when touched... luckily i heard the hissing in my wall. The fitting was a low lead "lead free" fitting as all are now...we check the other brass conversion fittings and some signs of deterioration. When we redid it recently we went pex all inside with plastic tees and fittings and made a single conversion connection in an access box outside. And while I used to would have always gone for the brass fitting over plastic, I can no longer trust the new planet saving brass they are producing. Maybe it's improved in the last 4 years, but I won't take that chance again
Interesting, I had my house frozen couple of month ago. Got pretty lucky, all copper survived. It was couple of brass fittings which did not (one, shower valve rough in, got an inside hole in it), fortunately past shutoffs, so did not leak.
Can I use shark bite brand Pex tubing? If not, what should I be using? Is there a list of materials somewhere?
sure you can!
Jeff is a university lecturer but it's construction and very practical and noob friendly, lol.
there are self starting torches lol
Do you need to get solder all around the joint? It looked like you only did maybe half, that's okay?
It may seem that way, but I can assure you that the solder spread around the pipe fairly quickly. Flux allows solder to flow wherever it's been applied. It's magical.
“Amazing how simple it is with plumbing” Hahahaha
Yep! Rodents have a hard time chewing through copper
Question, you dont want to use sharkbite because of its 25 year warranty, whats the warranty on pex? Im asking because I was told it was 20 years.
All approved plumbing is designed for 50 years of use. I will leave it to sharkbite to change my mind if they can. Cheers
Jeff you are a doll. We had a guy install pex to the upstairs bathroom. It is so screwed up we have To take everything down and start over again can we still use the fittings can we remove the pecks rings. Are they removable I guess that’s what I’m saying thank you
do you know where to find the building or plumbing codes for Ottawa? Thanks in advance
Your building / planning department should be able to point you to them.