I have to give massive praise to the actor who played Seth because I found his character nothing but vile and disgusting and he truly brought that to life. Bravo man.
What's funny is Ethan Suplee (Who plays Seth) mostly got popular playing Randy on My Name Is Earl. Another fun fact is his lost all his weight and is now a bodybuilder.
I'm watching My name is Earl now I knew watching this would make me feel some type of way towards him. Damn I was just staring to like Randy Hickey. You hurt me Ethen Suplee.
It’s not so much that’s he’s useless without Derek as much as Cameron doesn’t want to be on the front lines so to speak. He needs someone to do his bidding without exposing himself. A true manipulator.
@@incumbentvinyl9291 Hey, ah... You realize that smart phones weren't a thing when this movie came out, right? Even cellphones weren't common yet. People who needed to be reached regularly (Like doctors, for example) still used pagers around 1998, if I remember correctly. Also, I'm pretty sure that OP's comment was a joke.
It’s not terrible, but it only reiterated how these two are just bigoted a-holes. And doesn’t really move the plot along. Albeit it has some good lines.
lol talk about understatement of the century, it's str8 up one of the funniest things i've ever seen on RUclips. It being a deleted scene only adds to AHX's (righteous) lore.
I guess this scene made sense to delete. While it's interesting, it doesn't really advance the plot with the main characters, and the movie already did a great job of helping us understand the manipulative nature of this guy. There's nothing really surprising about the character behavior in this scene, and that tells me they were successful with their portrayals in the included scenes. Great movie.
@@Kenny-ep2nf It doesn't fit at all with the rest of the movie and Cameron's manipulation attempts come off as clumsy as hell. It was a good choice to cut it.
Always felt it was quite unrealistic when Derek was told Cameron and Seth were in the hospital. Cameron got kicked in the face pretty bad, however not that bad that medical attention was necessary and Seth only got his arm twisted. This scene reveals how they really ended up in the hospital. Wonder why it was left out.
I'm guessing pacing was the main reason. It's not really necessary to advance to the plot. Also, the bit about the musical comedy is bit too silly for the overall tone of the movie.
For sure. And towards the end where the guy noticed the other guys in the Caddy and goes, “Somebody fears to get their ass whooped.” Is that the same guy who shot Danny in the bathroom??
Yeah they never really explained who jumped Cam and Seth, so it seemed like it was pointless. Cameron also alluded to the raft that Seth was concerned about Derek's mental state, but we never see Seth and Derek talking about the gang, how things are going, and we also never see Seth and Cam talking about Derek. They messed up bad by leaving this out. I think this also allows us to understand better the mentality that leads up to the violence, rather than just hearing some speeches. We needed to feel what it was like to be inside of the gang.
Kinda crazy the guy who played Louie Lastik in Remember The Titans being accepting and loving people of races. Then all of a sudden you see his racist side. It's cool that he got to portray both sides. Good acting on his part.
@Blood Beryl I'm the individual with a modicum of intellectual integrity, who in turn doesn't feel the need to call people 'jerkoff' in RUclips comments. You may think that 'no one cares' about their opinion but the fact is they're entitled to share it, that's the same freedom of speech that your exercising. They, however, aren't being nasty about it. It's a common trait, people project their own bad attitudes at other people in an attempt to make them feel better. It may help you to take the time to use your, clearly excellent, powers of perception on yourself to discover why you feel the need to project this I'll will at other people. What happened to you to make you feel this way, who has hurt you?
Well shit, this completely changes some of the movie for me. When the cops tell Derek how those two "got jumped last night", I always thought they were unknowingly referencing Derek having beaten them up at the party - which was a little confusing since Derek only hit him one time. So I took that to mean that they had spread the news worse than it was so people would turn on Derek. But it turns out that they actually DO get jumped. Interesting...
Typical right wing fascists...deny the objective facts and construct alternative facts to weaken the "enemy." A disgraceful tactic....ask Trump and friends.
@@kylew3693 It's called non verbal communication... It's the way he says it and how he looks at them. Even though he expresses gratitude for the cash, you can tell that he's skeptical of the scummy vibe they're giving off.
Ethan is an amazing actor, this movie was chock full of good performances even if the characters are really disgusting, but that just makes the movie the more painfully realistic
That's the great Stacey Keach. I could write 10 paragraphs about all of his great film and stage roles, but if you haven't seen it yet, check out the move Fat City (made in the early 70's) about a down and out boxer played by Keach. Directed by the great John Huston, and also starring a very young Jeff Bridges along with some other terrific talent, it's the kind of film realism you just won't see in films today.
Reminds me of the neighborhood drug dealer when I was growing up. He had nothing but kids selling his drugs and they were all very loyal to him. One of them even took a murder charge for him.
I remember when I was 22 yrs old, a friend invited me to a party in chapel hill NC. It was the first time I’ve been to a college party, first time around college folks having fun, drinking and smoking, and meeting new people. My friend introduced me to a dude who was like in his mid 40s. He wasn’t showing gray hairs and looked vibrant, but you could tell he was a lot older. Folks overlooked it because he sold weed and had a hookup with getting kegs, which is what people told me, but he was always at every party and he was living the life being known around that college town. Fast forward to my late 30s and I looked back at that guy and couldn’t help think that was some incredibly loser sht. Sure, kids in college are technically adults but if you’re 40+ hanging out with 20 yr olds, you’re essentially telling stories, bragging and getting validation from kids. That’s some borderline predatory/arrested development/insecure type of sht.
@@steverogers7601he probably was a dude who couldn't get chicks his own age nor could relate to people his own age that have careers which is why he was hanging out with college aged people.
The greatest thing in life is Karma… sometimes it hurts. Sometimes it’s sweet. But if there’s one thing that Karma doesn’t do is have favorites. Karma is for everyone and everything.
They shouldn’t have kept this scene are you kidding? The dialogue is so clunky and ham-fisted. If the movie was all this no one would remember it today.
@@jasong7373 Hamfisted my ass, the reason the movie turned up so well is they cut good scenes too. They just needed another take for Seth to be more fluid.
That right there shows the sad state of our veterans. They put their lives on the line, yet get screwed over when they come home. Sure, not all of them, but it's still too many Granted I can see why it wasn’t used as we aren’t supposed to sympathize with nazis, and Cameron using the N word to describe African Americans here when complaining about benefits was completely uncalled for and out of line, and completely invalidated his argument
@@mattmaccaronio5990True, but not in the way they make it out to be. Veterans definitely get screwed over, despite their service, but not for the reasons Cameron indicates.
The homeless veteran used all the money they gave him to buy out all the gum, so the taco chef got on the phone during the racial confrontation to order a restock.
I used to find it funny that Ethan Suplee had the range to do this when I first knew him from My Name Is Earl. But now I've seen that, before this, he played the most pure, naturally non-racist character in Remember the Titans, he has me even more bloody impressed. Go Ethan Suplee
One interesting detail is seeing that the car in the end of this scene is the same car passing by Derek before the scene where Danny is shot at school. There's a strong feeling of tension when the car drives by, Derek is looking at it but it just passes on by, there's just one single driver inside. Just a false alarm for the audience before the actual tragedy appears. Little Henry who's sitting in the car in the deleted scene is obviously not in the car because he's at school waiting to unleash his anger. With this scene, there could've been a greater sense of tension and surprise for the ending.
I finally watched this film the other day and stumbled upon this yesterday. I have to say this scene for some reason attracts me to it, the acting, the atmosphere, its perfect. Why did they cut it? I don’t see how this would have effected the plot, in fact I think it helps explain a lot, brilliant scene with brilliant acting on everyone’s part.
The plot between these two characters just doesnt get fleshed out. My guess is that it was cut for time. And im watching the movie right now and it just wouldnt seem right and would interrupt the flow of the movie in my opinion
@@ramonalejandrosuare Yea, but they didnt have any grudge against them, except Danny steping up for the kid in the bathroom that was beaten up by some black boys. He confronted them and that maybe pissed off the kid that killed him and was telling the dudes on the basketball court about them. Those guys that beaten Cameroon and Seth didnt know who they were, they just beated them out of their own whim. What im saying is that it dosent change the motive of the kid that killed Danny in the end it was pretty much the same as we saw in the movie, but it does make a question what happend to Cam and Seth. Beside the black dudes beating 2 white guys i think the reasoning for lefting it off is Cameroons way of thinking that he put up in this scene. He is saying that people are only doing this today because its "politcly correct" and want to be on the "right side" by his way of thinking. He is right about society telling people today how they should act and what they should do, this kind of thinking is what society wants to surpress today. Ofcourse Cameroon is wrong in this case, but as an way of thinking generally he isnt...
I think they took it out because it supported stereotypes and was a little too revealing about modern women. They just started letting Africans into Australia over the last few years and Australian women that will not look at an average Aussie guy will bump nasties with them at the drop of a hat. They’re all coming here with government support while Aussies who built the country are going homeless due to housing crisis from mass immigration.
Seth was so hurt and confused. Derek was probably his only real friend and this scene shows that he really didn't want to hurt him. As horrible as he is, deep down Seth was a victim you can tell he doesn't hold these values more than skin deep. He just wanted a place where he could feel respected, accepted and/or feared for the only time in his life. Just someone with a lot of insecurities on the wrong side of a lot of predatory indoctrination. Notice how throughout the film he doesn't have the cognitive ability to express any of his own independant opinions.
@@joewhitehead3 ah but that involves smashing the magic "he's a racist" button and not thinking about things with a bit of nuance. Seth might have still been a victim, EVEN IF HE WAS RACIST. He was a victim because he was a younger, dumber person compared to this manipulative predator Cam, who who spread his ideology to others. To say Seth deserves zero sympathy is to say no one ever influenced or tricked by a charismatic leader or ideology deserves sympathy. People have killed and maimed countless times throughout history because someone interesting told them too, we just tend to only remember the example of the Nazis.
seems pretty needed of a group considering the ending of this scene, they weren't skulking in the shadows with bats, beating people. they should have though...
@@Petey0707 Pretty much the kind of response you'd expect from someone who i'm assuming unironically has "comrade" in their name. Props for presumably watching the movie though and not listening to your comrades about it being a "nazi movie" Did you like it's final message?
after Derek was finished telling his younger brother, his prison story on the inside I always pause the movie and watch this deleted scene and pretend it’s part of the movie uncut
I guess they left this scene out because, all the actual racism aside, Cameron started making a lot of sense when he criticized the political correct bs. Suddenly would've make you sympathize with this pos and we cant have that, can we?
Well technically the nazis invented political correctness. And really you can't put the racism aside because everything out of this character's mouth is some bs excuse for his hatred.
You know Cameron is desperate when he is asking Seth to be a High Rank in command Seth is better as a personal bodyguard or Enforcer he doesn't have the academic quality to be a leader
I AM NOT A RASICT: But I honestly laughed when I heard him say "now that Jane has taken Cheetah back to the jungle, I think that everything is hunky-spunky".. 🤦🏻♂️😂 4:02
Haha I love that the guy tried to argue with Cameron. "It's not Africa America..." Like he's having a logical debate with a sane person. It kinda shows how confident and fearless this random dude really is.
If he was "confident and fearless" he would have done something when Seth challenged him. He didn't and ran out. Which was the smart thing to do, mind you, but that dude was clearly not supposed to represent the "confident and fearless" everyman.
It Doesn't advance the plot is the issue. From a story perspective we know Cam is a manipulative piece of shit and we know Seth is an ignorant dumb fuck. The scene although interesting doesn't give us any new information and it doesn't push the plot forward. If the film as a whole were shorter you could consider finding a spot for it but considering the movie is already 3 hours I think it was a good omission even though it's interesting to watch.
@@franjes9999 Well it doesnt really show much new that i agree on.. but i personally enjoy long movies if the content is good and this is good content if you ask me.. it also shows/implies just how bad a beating they got after leaving the store.
@@CornholioDK that is fair. It's definitely interesting and I'd have been ok having it in but I don't hate the decision to leave it out given the length of the movie but also because it kind of fucks with Cams character, he's always been a quiet manipulator you never get the vibe he's the type to loudly object the way he does in this scene which makes it kinda odd. All that said I'll take any new content in a movie like American History X for sure
Not wanting to live around other ethnic groups doesnt mean you hate them you fucking idiot. If you dont want your friend to stay at your house, does that mean you hate them?
@@trippytigertony5520 Most whites are 100% european, wtf are u talking about? lol There's some mixing in USA, but not the case in Europe. My ancestry is 100% northern Irish.
@@Trevor-ks3mf you mean 100 percent irish as northern irish does not exist ya sectarian racist bigoted loyalist fool exactly the way loyalists treated nationalists over the years for their irish ness and their faith i would of loved to see those african americans give justice to those bigoted racist fools heres to a united ireland
This scene should have been kept in the film. It really highlights what Derek said to Cameron earlier in the film about how he has a bunch of people lined up to take his (Derek) place. Cameron wants Seth to play that role. He wants him to be the next Derek Vineyard. It really shows how callous and selfish Cameron is. Sure, he may appear fatherly to Seth, but it's a front. He only cares about having enforcers to help him spread his hateful vitriol without consequence.
They should have included this. It really showed you that cameron was nothing more than a liar and a manipulator
Really? You mean the rest of his other scenes weren't enough to convince you of that?
@@lokeymexican none of the scenes showed him in action. Dickhead.
Oh really? You should be a movie critic with those analyzing skills you got.
What the fuck is going on?
i like american history X
I have to give massive praise to the actor who played Seth because I found his character nothing but vile and disgusting and he truly brought that to life. Bravo man.
What's funny is Ethan Suplee (Who plays Seth) mostly got popular playing Randy on My Name Is Earl.
Another fun fact is his lost all his weight and is now a bodybuilder.
Before that he was in Mallrats as a slacker who couldn’t see the sailboat in a 3d poster.
Then this practically right after that. Quite the departure!
He was funny in my name is earl
@@haljor22 before that he was in boy meets world
He also played Louie Lastick on Remember The Titans.
This is why in the end of the film sweeny asks for derek’s help about seth and cameron
Yeah agree 👍🏽
Feel like it should've been included.. maybe a bit too obvious.. bit of a re write needed but would have rounded it out a bit more..
"I have a great idea for a musical comedy"
He went from a NeoNazi to Randy Hickey real quick.
or Randy Marsh -The musical was called Blow Job Queen
Thats where my mind went.
Cameron didn't reply to Seth because what he said was so stupid.
i had to pause for a second and think if i was watching my name is earl or american history x deleted scenes. it literally lol'd
I'm watching My name is Earl now I knew watching this would make me feel some type of way towards him. Damn I was just staring to like Randy Hickey. You hurt me Ethen Suplee.
The fact that Cameron is so desperate to replace Derek just shows how useless he is without him.
It also proves Derek’s point earlier about how expendable they truly are to him.
@@zackcross7190 and also tells us is that the organization don’t really care about it each other .
CHICKEN HAWK
He needs the fall guy.. He needs a person so that if they get in trouble he is not the one in trouble.. his "right hand" is.
It’s not so much that’s he’s useless without Derek as much as Cameron doesn’t want to be on the front lines so to speak. He needs someone to do his bidding without exposing himself. A true manipulator.
Not a smartphone in sight. Just people living in the moment.
I lol'd
make the change yourself, be the change you want to see
I agree. That is definitely the thing to take away from this clip!
They're actually acting.
Try again.
@@incumbentvinyl9291 Hey, ah... You realize that smart phones weren't a thing when this movie came out, right? Even cellphones weren't common yet. People who needed to be reached regularly (Like doctors, for example) still used pagers around 1998, if I remember correctly.
Also, I'm pretty sure that OP's comment was a joke.
*I have a great idea for a musical*
Cameron.exe has stopped working
Think about "CATS" but "SKINS" Moon light shining on my chrome dome...Moon Light shining on my wallet key chain...Moon light shining on my booots
Just furthers there whole point at the end.. merica!!!!
Tremendous lag set into the cranium of Cameron after that suggestion LMAO 😂
He just stares into space wishing he didnt hear that lol
I keep coming back to this clip just for that look 😂
Selling video tapes on the internet. 1998 is hitting me hard.
That sounds so 90s..........., Now the 90s sound like the 70s-80s. You don't even hear DVDs anymore it's all streaming and RUclips. How times change
@@nordicwarrior2176 in under 4 years 1975 will be 50 years ago
u know nothing about the underground
That's because you're all really old accept for me of course 😜...lol.
@@ericdanielsbenavidez5867well your a year older now. Happens fast!!
2:17 Cam’s face when Seth mentions making a musical comedy has me in god damn stitches
It’s the funniest part of the movie
@@CaptainTrips560 yea shame it was cut from the final cut
He looks like Rusti Millio when Tony B does his famous impersonation
@@andreasfranzgass8525 nice reference
@@ndhickson3599 I know. Must have taken too much time away from all the needless slow motion
this is a dark episode of my name is earl
Or Titus
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
#332: Committed a hate crime
Hahaha
Thats where i saw the big dude from😂
This scene is pretty funny. The look on Cam's face is priceless when Seth tells him about the idea.
It’s not terrible, but it only reiterated how these two are just bigoted a-holes. And doesn’t really move the plot along. Albeit it has some good lines.
I am dying when imagining Seth sing a comedy song 😂😂😂😂😂
“these are the type of idiots who I have working for me.” 😮
lol talk about understatement of the century, it's str8 up one of the funniest things i've ever seen on RUclips. It being a deleted scene only adds to AHX's (righteous) lore.
He has a great idea for a musical comedy
Anytime a grown man tells you he’s proud of you don’t listen to them
Fair enough...
😂😂😂
Very strong acting back in the day 👊
That wasn't acting
Now our actors are more Stunning and Brave
@@detectivefowler4135 Do you understand what movies are?
@@banquo3873 he's special needs, so no.
@detectivefowler4135 Are you retard?
"I have a great idea for a musical comedy..." -NeoNazi
I love that long awkward silence.
As if being Neo Nazi makes you no longer a normal person.. idiot
Seven I mean neo Nazi’s aren’t normal people lol
@@JeepersCreepers12 they are normal in the sense that they like normal things. Idc whatever your definition of normal is
Seven Admiring an ideology of racism and hate that started a world war isn’t normal pal
The damn look on Cameron's face after the musical mention 😭😭😭
I guess this scene made sense to delete. While it's interesting, it doesn't really advance the plot with the main characters, and the movie already did a great job of helping us understand the manipulative nature of this guy. There's nothing really surprising about the character behavior in this scene, and that tells me they were successful with their portrayals in the included scenes. Great movie.
communityband1 I think it goes perfect with the unrated edition. It would take after Derek and Danny leave the party.
Agreed
Ed Norton might have had something to do with it, he ended up cutting a lot of the other storylines.
It's a great scene, the shooting scene in the bathroom makes more sense when you see the character in the car towards the end.
Agreed
Cameron was such a great villain in this. You can just feel his intoxicating charisma and how he knows how to manipulate people to do his bidding.
yup, idk why they cut this scene
He's like a cleaned up, higher IQ version of Bill Riccio, minus the diddling. Unless there are more deleted scenes...
@@D-Fens_1632let’s be real, women who are over the age of consent know to stay far away from people like Cameron
@@Kenny-ep2nf It doesn't fit at all with the rest of the movie and Cameron's manipulation attempts come off as clumsy as hell. It was a good choice to cut it.
@@razmatazz9310 Agreed
Always felt it was quite unrealistic when Derek was told Cameron and Seth were in the hospital. Cameron got kicked in the face pretty bad, however not that bad that medical attention was necessary and Seth only got his arm twisted. This scene reveals how they really ended up in the hospital. Wonder why it was left out.
No he said the got jumped
Probably because of time constraints. I personally think it should’ve stayed.
@@kgunitkeese17 Scene is quite drawn out, also not exactly helpful to draw the image of Cameron being not only a manipulator, but also an opportunist.
@@1337Shockwav3This.
I do agree the scene goes on too long, and IMO it doesn’t really advance the plot either.
@@RYMAN1321 What are you saying? It advances the plot in EVERY way. It explains both how they got jumped and also furthens Cam's character.
Cam is a true puppet master
Gets people to do his dirty work while he takes a back seat
That's why Derek called him a chicken hawk
A lot of bigots are good at parroting things they've heard and are followers, so it's like shooting fish in s barrel
Cameron would have never said a word if he didn't have big boy with him.
It. Is. A. Movie.
I still would've fucked big boy up
@@chaseaaronthomasify shit happens in real life too so it’s not just a “movie”
@@mmmmichaeljacksonnnn4666 no, yall are definitely talking about fictional characters and pretending they are real. Fun larp lol
@@chaseaaronthomasify that’s because neo nazi/white supremacy are real ??
Why did they cut this? This was gold! Especially camerons face when he heard his idea about the comedy
I'm guessing pacing was the main reason. It's not really necessary to advance to the plot. Also, the bit about the musical comedy is bit too silly for the overall tone of the movie.
@VinegarJoe1985 nah it should've stayed it honestly would've made the movie better we literally never get a feel on what's on the inside of the group
I agree with the pacing part too. Honestly the acting in this scene was kind of too rehearsed and phony. Wasn't a believable scene.
"Tyrone", lol. I think Seth was one of the first 4chan users
That term has been used forever, by racists in general.
Source: my Grandpa.
Shiiieeeet
@@mannypardo8900 We Russians say: "I hate two things. Racism and negroes".
@@marluxia8832 🇷🇺
@@adamboyle3331 shiiiiieeeeet
Ethan Suplee is such an amazing actor! He can play, literally, any role. I wish He had more opportunities and recognition in his field.
I wish he wasn't a scientologist
@@KrolMyszka same with tom cruise
ethan chumlee haha
For sure. And towards the end where the guy noticed the other guys in the Caddy and goes, “Somebody fears to get their ass whooped.” Is that the same guy who shot Danny in the bathroom??
@@KrolMyszka same. The joke is Seth quit white supremacy and became a Scientologist.
Seth did change his image. He grew his hair, grew out his beard, lose some weight, and became a positive bodybuilder now ❤️
@@psychobillynumbnuts1 he did but now he’s a Scientologist 😒😒😒😒
Ethan suplee
@@cmlmonstar007sheeeeeeiiiit…. For real? He’s cooked then.
Him waving the flag makes me laugh every time
My favorite part of the scene.
Should of made the final cut
Why? i not American just curious , what's funny about it?
This movie is epic, one of my favorites of all time
Mine too
“You have got amazing leadership qualities.”
- You should see me on the basketball court. 🤣
LOOL
Yeah they never really explained who jumped Cam and Seth, so it seemed like it was pointless. Cameron also alluded to the raft that Seth was concerned about Derek's mental state, but we never see Seth and Derek talking about the gang, how things are going, and we also never see Seth and Cam talking about Derek. They messed up bad by leaving this out. I think this also allows us to understand better the mentality that leads up to the violence, rather than just hearing some speeches. We needed to feel what it was like to be inside of the gang.
What do you mean they clearly showed who it was
Towards the end of the movie it was stated that Seth and Cameron both got sent to the hospital, this scene shows who jumped them.
True I agreed this scene needed to be left in to show you how messed up these dude's mindsets and intentions really we're.
I agree, they should have left it in, the ending was a bit unclear without this scene
Did the crips killed Seth and Cam is what I wonder ?
seth "im having a bad day", not knowing its about to get worse lol
Right because when you defend yourself against third worlders you get attacked, or killed.
@@bretthanna8765 stfu
@@bretthanna8765 I couldn't agree more.
@@bretthanna8765 my guy 😊
@@bretthanna8765 defend yourself? He started on the black dude for no reason dummy
3:54 MY DRINK CAME OUT THROUGH MY NOSE💀💀💀
No it didn't. People say stupid shit like you just did even though it never happened. Why even type a lie?
@@MichaelGrubbEvolvedMinistry Aww, somebody mad?
Get the fuck over it.
@@MichaelGrubbEvolvedMinistry Did your balls just never drop?
It is a month, not a day.
how df do u kno ?😂
1:42 Seth really took that advice to heart.
Kinda crazy the guy who played Louie Lastik in Remember The Titans being accepting and loving people of races. Then all of a sudden you see his racist side. It's cool that he got to portray both sides. Good acting on his part.
Ltsteven1226, now he lost the weight and converted to Scientology
@@cmlmonstar007 Whoa did he really?
@@cmlmonstar007 He was born into it i read
Its called acting nigga
?^
This scene should have been included.
I don’t say that often about deleted scenes.
Blood Beryl you’re overdue for another tide pod challenge. Film it and upload to RUclips ASAP
@Blood Beryl but who asked your opinion, mouth?
@Blood Beryl I'm the individual with a modicum of intellectual integrity, who in turn doesn't feel the need to call people 'jerkoff' in RUclips comments.
You may think that 'no one cares' about their opinion but the fact is they're entitled to share it, that's the same freedom of speech that your exercising. They, however, aren't being nasty about it.
It's a common trait, people project their own bad attitudes at other people in an attempt to make them feel better. It may help you to take the time to use your, clearly excellent, powers of perception on yourself to discover why you feel the need to project this I'll will at other people.
What happened to you to make you feel this way, who has hurt you?
Watching this back to back with John Carpenter’s Body Bags is surreal. Stacy Keach is just as multi-faceted as an actor as Edward Norton is.
He was hilarious as the father on the show Titus.
Interesting double feature 😂 I do love both though.
You should watch the ninth configuration
The Keach is so underrated!
The first movie I saw Keach in was the Cheech and Chong movie. Every time I see him I hear Cheech calling him a Lard Ass. Lol
The expression on Cameron's face when Seth mentions the musical comedy 🤣🤣
Well shit, this completely changes some of the movie for me. When the cops tell Derek how those two "got jumped last night", I always thought they were unknowingly referencing Derek having beaten them up at the party - which was a little confusing since Derek only hit him one time. So I took that to mean that they had spread the news worse than it was so people would turn on Derek. But it turns out that they actually DO get jumped. Interesting...
Typical right wing fascists...deny the objective facts and construct alternative facts to weaken the "enemy."
A disgraceful tactic....ask Trump and friends.
Yeah, they probably left it out for pacing reasons. Remember that the tone of the film at this point was about Derek and Danny's redemption arc.
Even the veteren was like "I didn't fight for this kind of shit" lol great acting
He knows he's right 🤣
Lol he said god bless wtf were you watching
@@kylew3693 It's called non verbal communication... It's the way he says it and how he looks at them. Even though he expresses gratitude for the cash, you can tell that he's skeptical of the scummy vibe they're giving off.
@@dante340 okay bud god bless 👍
@@kylew3693 I imagine a lot of the movie went over your head
Ethan is an amazing actor, this movie was chock full of good performances even if the characters are really disgusting, but that just makes the movie the more painfully realistic
He really is.
Yeah man, that foul blonde was disgusting
Watching this after he lost the weight lol
synergy919 and became a Scientologist
Me to lol 😂
@@cmlmonstar007 did he really?
ᅚᅚᅚHEADᅚᅚᅚ, he really did
@@cmlmonstar007 lol now he really is brainwashed just like he was in the movie
The old man is a SERIOUS actor. Hes great in this movie.
That's the great Stacey Keach. I could write 10 paragraphs about all of his great film and stage roles, but if you haven't seen it yet, check out the move Fat City (made in the early 70's) about a down and out boxer played by Keach. Directed by the great John Huston, and also starring a very young Jeff Bridges along with some other terrific talent, it's the kind of film realism you just won't see in films today.
a man named Stacey
Stacey keach
hard to believe ethan suplee is a physical fitness specimen now, no more "obese guy"acting roles for him anymore
This scene had too much truth to make the final cut.
What truth?
The truth about the tacos.
are you a racist ?
The look on his face when he asked if he could make a video!😂
Ik right hahaha, kind of like a "oh man I'm making a big mistake" face
I love how derek exposes cameron for the liar he is about doing hard time. The guy hangs out with kids .
And for him and Seth Ryan to call him a “traitor pussy” just proved their own ignorance, which they’re not aware of that they have.
Reminds me of the neighborhood drug dealer when I was growing up. He had nothing but kids selling his drugs and they were all very loyal to him. One of them even took a murder charge for him.
I remember when I was 22 yrs old, a friend invited me to a party in chapel hill NC.
It was the first time I’ve been to a college party, first time around college folks having fun, drinking and smoking, and meeting new people.
My friend introduced me to a dude who was like in his mid 40s. He wasn’t showing gray hairs and looked vibrant, but you could tell he was a lot older.
Folks overlooked it because he sold weed and had a hookup with getting kegs, which is what people told me, but he was always at every party and he was living the life being known around that college town.
Fast forward to my late 30s and I looked back at that guy and couldn’t help think that was some incredibly loser sht.
Sure, kids in college are technically adults but if you’re 40+ hanging out with 20 yr olds, you’re essentially telling stories, bragging and getting validation from kids.
That’s some borderline predatory/arrested development/insecure type of sht.
Cameron definitely knows which age group to target when it comes to indoctrination
@@steverogers7601he probably was a dude who couldn't get chicks his own age nor could relate to people his own age that have careers which is why he was hanging out with college aged people.
Such a based movie. And being proven right (the beginning at least) every day.
Lmao😂
Finally a good comment. Had to scroll for several minutes to find a good one.
The term “based” is as gay as a bum full of AIDS!!! Can’t anyone just say the words “not fucking gay/black/retarded/j$wish” anymore?
Cameron’s face when Seth says he has a great idea for a musical comedy
That line " loose some weight" chek him out now hes a mfcking jacked muscle boy now
M Hero, he quit white supremacy and now he’s a Scientologist
I guess he took Cams advice
I noticed
@@cmlmonstar007he was probably better off with the White Supremacy. Lol
LOSE some weight. He didn't need to untighten anything..
The greatest thing in life is Karma… sometimes it hurts. Sometimes it’s sweet. But if there’s one thing that Karma doesn’t do is have favorites. Karma is for everyone and everything.
The person who played Cameron is a really good actor. Very polished. We hate the character but he played Cameron perfectly.
The wonderful Mr. Stacy Keach, ladies and gentlemen!
We? talk by yourself
@@skullhead4003 Lmao ok
Definitely should have kept this scene. Really showed Cameron's true motives more clearly.
Nah, It would have taken away from telling Derek and Danny's story.
They shouldn’t have kept this scene are you kidding? The dialogue is so clunky and ham-fisted. If the movie was all this no one would remember it today.
@@jasong7373 Hamfisted my ass, the reason the movie turned up so well is they cut good scenes too. They just needed another take for Seth to be more fluid.
I think they wanted the propaganda to be more subtle.
@@maxlumens9085 Yup
This exchange with the homeless veteran is so great, it should have been included in the final cut
That right there shows the sad state of our veterans.
They put their lives on the line, yet get screwed over when they come home. Sure, not all of them, but it's still too many
Granted I can see why it wasn’t used as we aren’t supposed to sympathize with nazis, and Cameron using the N word to describe African Americans here when complaining about benefits was completely uncalled for and out of line, and completely invalidated his argument
@@RYMAN1321 yeah, fuck nuanced writing if it means I have to defy my programming. What a fucking lemming.
@Raymond Carver I did notice, it was right after he drops the N Bomb.
He was probably “WTH dude?!”
Yeah except he’s right they were fucked by the system
@@mattmaccaronio5990True, but not in the way they make it out to be. Veterans definitely get screwed over, despite their service, but not for the reasons Cameron indicates.
For a second I thought that was John Carpenter making the phone call! Lol
John Carpenter Uncredited Cameo.
Fun Fact: Vampires and This Film came out the Weekend of October 30, 1998.
the good old days
theres just soo many more gumballs in the gumball machine when they walk out compared to when they walked in
lmaooo
If it was the other way around, I’d have thought the fat guy had eaten them all while waiting for the food
The homeless veteran used all the money they gave him to buy out all the gum, so the taco chef got on the phone during the racial confrontation to order a restock.
Good eyes!
I guess this scene wasn't all shot the same night and they went back to do more filming and the gumball machines had been refilled...lol
I used to find it funny that Ethan Suplee had the range to do this when I first knew him from My Name Is Earl. But now I've seen that, before this, he played the most pure, naturally non-racist character in Remember the Titans, he has me even more bloody impressed. Go Ethan Suplee
And now he lost weight and went to Scientology.
Any actor can act on both ends of the spectrum if they're worth a fuck.
Actually before that It was “boy meets world”
Have you seen him in clerks?
One interesting detail is seeing that the car in the end of this scene is the same car passing by Derek before the scene where Danny is shot at school. There's a strong feeling of tension when the car drives by, Derek is looking at it but it just passes on by, there's just one single driver inside. Just a false alarm for the audience before the actual tragedy appears. Little Henry who's sitting in the car in the deleted scene is obviously not in the car because he's at school waiting to unleash his anger. With this scene, there could've been a greater sense of tension and surprise for the ending.
lol, i'm not surprised that they cut this out. The musical comedy part it's way to funny for this movie. xD
Nah it was too raw
@@uuuultra It doesn’t move the plot along either.
So that's how they got jumped.now it makes sense.
Stacy Keach is an amazing actor btw.
Makes you wonder why they didn’t leave it in to tie it together at the end.
talk about black fragility
Seth: can I make a video. I have a great idea for a musical comedy
Cameron: this nigga
The look on Seth's face when he found out what happened to Derek in prison.
@@dariog36th McCormick may not been aware of that but Cam had money and resources you know he kept tabs on Derek while he was in prison
@Dario Gomez was mitch a character we saw in the movie ? I haven't seen it in many years.
@@nattyps3160 He is the leader of The Ayran prison gang in this movie
3:55 imagine the “I Love Lucy” title screen and music, but the words in the heart are what Seth said
Cameron never waste an opportunity to to manipulate and use people for his own twisted goals.
Just like the producers of this movie.
Like everyone else
10 bucks Seth’s musical comedy idea was “Springtime For Hitler.”
True words in the beginning.
This deleted scene tells the truth!
Stacy Keach is a legend! Amazing actor.
Mike hammer😎
I finally watched this film the other day and stumbled upon this yesterday. I have to say this scene for some reason attracts me to it, the acting, the atmosphere, its perfect. Why did they cut it? I don’t see how this would have effected the plot, in fact I think it helps explain a lot, brilliant scene with brilliant acting on everyone’s part.
The plot between these two characters just doesnt get fleshed out. My guess is that it was cut for time. And im watching the movie right now and it just wouldnt seem right and would interrupt the flow of the movie in my opinion
Because we can't show 4 blacks with weapons going after two white guys.
@@davidtaylor994 So stupid, the same gang is the one that kills Danny's brother.
@r33mote 1 on 1 with a gun. I'd rather get jumped 4 on 2 than shot 1 on 1. But do you.
@@ramonalejandrosuare Yea, but they didnt have any grudge against them, except Danny steping up for the kid in the bathroom that was beaten up by some black boys. He confronted them and that maybe pissed off the kid that killed him and was telling the dudes on the basketball court about them. Those guys that beaten Cameroon and Seth didnt know who they were, they just beated them out of their own whim. What im saying is that it dosent change the motive of the kid that killed Danny in the end it was pretty much the same as we saw in the movie, but it does make a question what happend to Cam and Seth. Beside the black dudes beating 2 white guys i think the reasoning for lefting it off is Cameroons way of thinking that he put up in this scene. He is saying that people are only doing this today because its "politcly correct" and want to be on the "right side" by his way of thinking. He is right about society telling people today how they should act and what they should do, this kind of thinking is what society wants to surpress today. Ofcourse Cameroon is wrong in this case, but as an way of thinking generally he isnt...
It’s interesting how Cam immediately starts grooming Seth to step up and take over from Derek the second that he knows he’s lost control of him.
well I mean, considering the cut original ending of this movie I'd say Derek went back to being a skinhead
Deleted scene or not, this scene felt real. It should’ve been kept in the flick.
I think they took it out because it supported stereotypes and was a little too revealing about modern women. They just started letting Africans into Australia over the last few years and Australian women that will not look at an average Aussie guy will bump nasties with them at the drop of a hat.
They’re all coming here with government support while Aussies who built the country are going homeless due to housing crisis from mass immigration.
Seth was so hurt and confused.
Derek was probably his only real friend and this scene shows that he really didn't want to hurt him.
As horrible as he is, deep down Seth was a victim you can tell he doesn't hold these values more than skin deep. He just wanted a place where he could feel respected, accepted and/or feared for the only time in his life. Just someone with a lot of insecurities on the wrong side of a lot of predatory indoctrination. Notice how throughout the film he doesn't have the cognitive ability to express any of his own independant opinions.
Yeah, I don’t think he really deserves sympathy
@@joewhitehead3 ah but that involves smashing the magic "he's a racist" button and not thinking about things with a bit of nuance. Seth might have still been a victim, EVEN IF HE WAS RACIST. He was a victim because he was a younger, dumber person compared to this manipulative predator Cam, who who spread his ideology to others. To say Seth deserves zero sympathy is to say no one ever influenced or tricked by a charismatic leader or ideology deserves sympathy. People have killed and maimed countless times throughout history because someone interesting told them too, we just tend to only remember the example of the Nazis.
seems pretty needed of a group considering the ending of this scene, they weren't skulking in the shadows with bats, beating people.
they should have though...
aw poor nazi! who will think of the nazis!?! :(
@@Petey0707 Pretty much the kind of response you'd expect from someone who i'm assuming unironically has "comrade" in their name.
Props for presumably watching the movie though and not listening to your comrades about it being a "nazi movie"
Did you like it's final message?
The last mins of this scene literally sooooo relevant today
I love the details they put in this like Seth’s hand shaking because Derek twisted it wrestling the gun away from him
You're not taking him down Seth.
He's not a cheeseburger.
it's funny cause he's fat
after Derek was finished telling his younger brother, his prison story on the inside I always pause the movie and watch this deleted scene and pretend it’s part of the movie uncut
Same
Ahhhh!!! This is the part that was missing that made sense of the last conversation between Derek and Avery.
I died at Cameron’s face in the thumbnail even tho it’s kinda blurry
Like the Wayans brothers would say, "MESSAGE!"
"I have a great idea for a musical comedy"
For a second I thought he had seen through his manipulation
Maybe he did
@@chaseaaronthomasify That's why Cameron stared at him that way, he wasnt sure either anymore if he had or hadn't, haha.
Who tf are you calling 😂
One day we’ll get the original cut.
This is a powerful scene. I wish it made the cut
I can see why they didn’t use this scene, it strays away from the plot. Strong scene, does get the hart racing.
One of my favourite films this scene should have definitely been included
What an excellently acted scene
Arguably one of the best screens in the whole movie and it was not included
Teacher: Today we celebrate Martin Luther King Jr day. What do you know about today?
Racist Student: 3:55
Well that’s what it is
I feel awful for laughing out loud at this.
@@emoangstdon't
Damn ReviewTechUSA sure fell from grace
I guess they left this scene out because, all the actual racism aside, Cameron started making a lot of sense when he criticized the political correct bs. Suddenly would've make you sympathize with this pos and we cant have that, can we?
Well technically the nazis invented political correctness. And really you can't put the racism aside because everything out of this character's mouth is some bs excuse for his hatred.
Stacy Keach and Ethan Suplee were fucking awesome in this film
Jesus Christ agree 💯. Stacy Keach still around idk what he’s doing now. Ethan Suplee lost all the weight and he’s a Scientologist.
@@cmlmonstar007 Who would have thought. From Neo-Nazi to Scientology.
You know Cameron is desperate when he is asking Seth to be a High Rank in command
Seth is better as a personal bodyguard or Enforcer he doesn't have the academic quality to be a leader
They're so right with everything.
I AM NOT A RASICT: But I honestly laughed when I heard him say "now that Jane has taken Cheetah back to the jungle, I think that everything is hunky-spunky".. 🤦🏻♂️😂 4:02
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Lol
@@Katfish1216 srant eye
I don’t get it
@@kaiumeda3690 It’s a Tarzan reference, as that story featured those two characters.
Shouldn't have been deleted it really sheds important light on Cameron's character
And the fact that he knows one of the (white) fellow inmates
Haha I love that the guy tried to argue with Cameron. "It's not Africa America..." Like he's having a logical debate with a sane person. It kinda shows how confident and fearless this random dude really is.
If he was "confident and fearless" he would have done something when Seth challenged him. He didn't and ran out. Which was the smart thing to do, mind you, but that dude was clearly not supposed to represent the "confident and fearless" everyman.
Glad this was cut. It would take away from telling Derek and Danny's story.
Such a shame this wasent in the movie.. it only ads to the story and the scene is well acted.
It Doesn't advance the plot is the issue. From a story perspective we know Cam is a manipulative piece of shit and we know Seth is an ignorant dumb fuck. The scene although interesting doesn't give us any new information and it doesn't push the plot forward. If the film as a whole were shorter you could consider finding a spot for it but considering the movie is already 3 hours I think it was a good omission even though it's interesting to watch.
@@franjes9999 Well it doesnt really show much new that i agree on.. but i personally enjoy long movies if the content is good and this is good content if you ask me.. it also shows/implies just how bad a beating they got after leaving the store.
@@CornholioDK that is fair. It's definitely interesting and I'd have been ok having it in but I don't hate the decision to leave it out given the length of the movie but also because it kind of fucks with Cams character, he's always been a quiet manipulator you never get the vibe he's the type to loudly object the way he does in this scene which makes it kinda odd.
All that said I'll take any new content in a movie like American History X for sure
Musical comedy.😂 Cam's face is like.. "what did i just say!?" Brilliant film though, powerful.👍🏻
them: “we hate anyone who is the white race and they’re culture”
also them: “lets go grab some mexican food”
Not wanting to live around other ethnic groups doesnt mean you hate them you fucking idiot. If you dont want your friend to stay at your house, does that mean you hate them?
@@trippytigertony5520 Most whites are 100% european, wtf are u talking about? lol There's some mixing in USA, but not the case in Europe. My ancestry is 100% northern Irish.
@@Trevor-ks3mf you mean 100 percent irish as northern irish does not exist ya sectarian racist bigoted loyalist fool exactly the way loyalists treated nationalists over the years for their irish ness and their faith i would of loved to see those african americans give justice to those bigoted racist fools heres to a united ireland
@@Trevor-ks3mf Italians, Serbs, Greeks, Romanian, Spaniards, Polish, Russian, and Portuguese are white people.
@@eddieibarra356 Yes of course.
This scene should have been kept in the film. It really highlights what Derek said to Cameron earlier in the film about how he has a bunch of people lined up to take his (Derek) place. Cameron wants Seth to play that role. He wants him to be the next Derek Vineyard. It really shows how callous and selfish Cameron is. Sure, he may appear fatherly to Seth, but it's a front. He only cares about having enforcers to help him spread his hateful vitriol without consequence.
Cameron made a great point tho