Hal 9000 had short circuited because of having contractions in his Prime Directive Programing, i.e., Cognizant Dissonance. Example, Hal was given the Prime Directive to protect and maintain ship functions and Humans. Trouble is Hal's contradictory program overlapped the Prime Program with Protecting / maintaining the actual mission secret keeping the astronauts ignorant. Even a Human would have trouble with these contradictive orders.
You're FULL OF IT! The story of taking back the child was named Adapa. This is written in the Sumerian tablets. Had Nothing to do with a fictional character named jesus
Barbaric perhaps, but what do you expect with emotions.. sorry but no species is perfect I refused to believe there is one without being altered genetically to remove certain emotions that cause violence. Every human is differen.@@XPK15
Glad that I was not the only one to think of this. Despite their original mission the engineer actually seemed rather surprised and curious about the humans in his presence, maybe even considering if they were wrong to deem them as failures... until Weyland orders violence. That one act was probably what proved that humans have never changed.
contrast this with "Close Encounters", "ET", and "Starman"; two different views.These movies from those of us who love our species, and the Alien franchise from those of us who hate us.
imo i think it mightve been too intense of a concept for the average viewer. a lot of people are religious and it probably would've had backlash for depicting jesus in a "false" way. purely a profit motive out of creative control :/
I guarantee it was some suit who did it because they thought it was too high concept for the average viewer, you have to remember that most movies are funded by complete idiots with no concept of what the average person is like, so when simple concepts and direct exposition like this goes over their head they cut it to focus on the "good" (i.e. simple) bits like the violence
@@truthseekerdude Too high a concept? No, they removed a poorly veiled attack on Christianity, and they want the money of Christians. Maybe write an original story instead of trying to rewrite ours.
@@paulmoadibe9321technically, evolved to become like them. There is another video showing David and Shaw went to the engineer home planet and it's truely way advance.
No. They didn't ask the meaning of life. They were demanding to be gods like the engineers. The engineers were on a path to bring a shiet load to wipe them. Somehow, that shiet load leaked and killed all of the engineer crew except that guy who continue to sleep through out way pass 2000 years. Obviously, he is still on rage mode to destroy.
@@kito1san don't even the evolved mold would straight demand a godhood from the fridge owner. The engineer would laugh himself to death on the audacity of that. So he softened the perception of the weaponized cringe for starters by implying the DEMAND was introduced by a question a mortal would ask when facing his deity. "Sup, lord, gimme some of that sweet immortality."
I disagree with the writer in keeping it vague. He also was vague in LOST and ruined that show. Lookup article: ‘Prometheus’ Writer Damon Lindelof on Why ‘Vague’ Is Good
I 100% agree. It also explains why the movie was cleverly called Prometheus. The Engineers were essentially gods who gave humans the tools to survive, similar to how Prometheus gave humans fire.
So he's on a mission to destroy humanity, who are a bronze age civilisation. He gets delayed 2,000 years and us awoken *by humans* who have now achieved interstellar travel....and decides to pick up where he left off. Yeah the strategic situation hasn't changed at all.
Also, sending 1 enlightened person back to influence billions........they should have gave him waaay more powers than that lol. Like throwing a golden retriever to the wolves.
Maybe to them 2000 years is but a blip, and with their understanding of humans they know nothing has changed. Which in many way the engineers would be correct wouldn't you agree?
Lol yes. They wanted to tackle big ideas but lacked the philosophical or creative capacity to satisfactorily come up with explanations and motivations that made sense.
The engineer also didn’t like them hitting Shaw, just more proof of their violent creation. Imagine meeting God and asking for help then punching a woman in the face lol. What did the engineers expect? They created us in their image, their violent, destructive, black goo creating image. That’s why David just turning that city to black goo stone was so epically justified, although his ultimate intention was just testing the capabilities of the weapon and the people in the city weren’t the god like engineers that created mankind. Still cool though.
There's nothing justified in what David did at all. The engineers wiping us out even though wrong it makes sense and we have it coming everything we do is the perfect example why they wanted to kill us and why we deserve it. They get rid of us they can create something better and gift the earth to them.
"Oh fuck, i over slept... oh, the targets... well maybe they got past the violent rotting way?" Old rich guy asks for immortality and orders a women gets assaulted. "Really, in front of my bio weapons?"
Engineers werent violent to eachother, that was their goal for the creation of humans. The planet david killed was actually a religous world and they were peaceful and highly spiritual of god-science dna. That a species of alien have black goo tech for military and extermination does not make them villanous and a bad example for humanity. The engineers dominated galaxies together as a people working together, SOmething humans couldnt do and the few civilizations that worked together were destroyed by their own kind. Not an engineer trait.
@@bpagan32any species that would invent that black goo to literally destroy all life on a planet -- that's not a peaceful species, lol. Also, that black goo is more than just a biological weapon, that black goo itself is a new species whose one sole mission is to kill any living thing it comes across (all the other movies in the franchise).
When we see how violently the Engineer reacts to the humans, Shaw asks the obvious audience question, "why do you hate us? why do you want to kill us?" THIS is the question Lindelof set up in the beginning of the movie (faith and humanity's place in the universe). Was creating us a mistake? If so, WHY was creating us a mistake? You finally meet your creators and learn that they want to KILL YOU. That's a profound, terrifying idea. But Lindelof doesn't know how to answer that question. So he answers a different question, instead: Weyland wants more life. That's right, a minor, late-introduced character that nobody cares about answers a question that nobody asked. Lindelof tries to make Weylands argument sound lofty and poetic with his, "I Created David So We Are Both Like The Gods" speech. But really, this is Lindelof telling us that he is NEVER going to answer Shaw's question. And before you can figure out that you've just been tricked and all that build-up was for nothing, Lindelof bails out of this scene by making the Engineer irrationally angry and try to kill everyone. Now NO other questions can be answered. Isn't that convenient for Lindelof? Remember that the Engineer just woke up from stasis. He has NO idea what's going on . . . how long it's been . . . what's going on back home or who these humans are. This is what's called "Mystery Box Writing." The way it works is you set up a mystery that the audience REALLY wants to know the answer to. Then, when the time comes in the story to answer that question you either 1) Don't answer the question, 2) Answer a different question. 3) Postpone answering the question ("a good question. for another time"). Lindelof did this over and over again in "Lost." And audiences fall for this bait-and-switch storytelling all the time. They think that the movie was "deep" (because it asked a deep question) but they can't remember WHY it was deep (because that question was never answered). It's a cheap writing technique for dumb hacks.
Weyland's unexpected presence on the ship and subsequent scene makes better sense if we regard the TED Talk scene with the younger Weyland as part of the canon. I never watched Prometheus or Covenant in theaters. By the time I watched the movies online, I'd already viewed the TED Talk and other deleted scenes on RUclips. So from that perspective, Weyland's appearance on the ship fit. But those deleted scenes robbed the movie of essential context. Basically, terrible editing. I mean, in addition to the utter stupidity of the crew on planet.
The Problem with Prometheus is like most of Ridley Scotts movies, He makes a 3-4 hour long movie and then cuts it in half for theatrical release, and then when it comes out it makes a directors cut that is back to being 3-4 hours long... just stop cutting down your movies.
if a movie is 2 hours long they can sell shows to like 10 showings a day. If it's 3 hours, they can show like 5. Movies run time are getting longer tho if you compare movies back in the 80's. You would never get movies 2.5 or 3 hrs. Now there are a lot.
@@tomikun8057 Depends on where you go but I think the cost is actually cheaper than the rate of inflation. And they kind of have to because a lot less people go to the movies now.
I mean its possible the Engineers also changed in that span of time, like a temple of worship and study being turned into a bio weapons facility to eliminate their past creations
The Star Map was never a invitation.... Its not really explained why it points to the system....or what LV-223 was beyond a Biological Warfare Lab. However that Cave painting is Thousands of Years older than the OUTBREAK on LV-223.... Did the Engineers create a Pathogen to destroy Earth and then show a Map but then wait Thousands of Years before deciding to use the Pathogen only to have a OUTBREAK? It could be that LV-223 was something else at the time of the Cave Paintings.... I Speculate it could have been a Laboratory where they TEST their Evolutionary Steps... a Sandbox a Nursery of sorts... where they evolved us from. So maybe the Star Map is saying "this is where you are from" It is not where the Engineers were from..... maybe it could be pointed to the constellation the Engineers were from... but as the Engineers Planet may have been cloaked (idea in earlier drafts of Alien Covenant). Then LV-223 was the World that Dr Shaw assumed it was due to being the only suitable Place within the Constellation/Star Map.
My 'gut' Interpretation when I first watched the film was, "Earth was an unsanctioned experiment by a rogue engineer making an inferior self image (humans) instead of more engineers. Once the abomination (ie. Humans) was discovered, the Xenomorphs were designed specifically as a targeted weedkiller to efficiently remove the abomination from all of creation. However, before the weapon system could deliver the payload, the containment failed. Much mayhem ensued...." But that's just a theory,....... a me theory!
I don't think that's exactly how it works in canon, but your interpretation is probably more solid/well organized than the actual truth the creators were going for.
Thing is, if your some advanced engineer, who can create all kinds of things, why would you go to the trouble of creating something to wipe out a race, that effectually could wipe your kind too AND isn't there a quicker way to wipe out a species? Xenomorphs seems cumbersome and messy, it creates more xenomorphs that you'd also need to wipe out eventually.
@@platinumareI bet one of the bald engineers said “Ok hear me out. Give them a swimming pool then take away the ladder once they are in. What? I saw it in a video game, Phil! Back off!”
@@GodoftheBlessed “Ok we take the ladder out, put KY Jelly on the pool coping and throw some White Claws in the middle of the pool, but only enough for like 3 of them.”
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The irony of an advanced alien species calling humans barbaric, whilst those same aliens construct bio-weapons capable of complete planetary genocide, down to the microbe. Mr. Engineer, Pot meet Kettle.
An author with an eraser is not called barbaric. An artist who uses the undo function on photoshop is not a murderer. How can a creation judge a creator?
I must admit, that Prometheus was the movie, that I enjoyed most in the Alien film universe. It just stands out by the way of storytelling and it comes down to the fundamentals of this scient fiction universe.
And yet, Ridley Scott manages to cock it up by having bufoons for crew mates other than the Captain and his two mates, most nearly everyone else was just a badly drawn caricature getting lost, than trying to pet an alien snake, then having an AI robot that has a screw loose and infects a human, both the so called leaders father and daughter in the Weylands were just horrid without an ounce of humanity...I could have understood if one was but both on the most important mission ever to find alien life!!!! and yes this theme of Aliens coming to earth and seeding it and then coming back to deliver Christ as a saviour would have worked but the execution was terrible... all on the nose, no subtext and on and on...and then to follow it up with even worse characters in the follow up movie, no, the first Alien movie is the masterpiece. Oh and as mentioned by someone else, the cave painting all pointed to a planet that hosted biological weapons armory and not the homeworld...odd that! and finally, this should have been a stand alone series as having David creating the Alien is just absurd...
Engineer: 'Your kind is a barbaric, violent species.' Also Engineer: *rips off David's head and smacks Weyland across the face with it* Well, gee, I wonder where we picked up those traits...
This is why I've always felt that Prometheus should have been it's own franchise with nothing to do with Alien. Now, it feels like 2 puzzle pieces that don't fit each other being forced together. Which is crazy because they managed to fit Alien and Predator together like it was planned.
Doesn't Prometheus just say that the Alien lifeforms are the biological weapon designed to destroy humanity? To my mind, that fits nicely. The Xenomorphs aren't sophisticated enough to engage in space travel, so they needed another species to transport them. Thats the Engineers.
@@PeterCacioppi Although it gets you wondering: if they're that advanced to create new lifeforms then wouldn't they've been smart enough to have safety, control and containment measures against pathogens of their own making? Like they should be capable of exterminating an entire planet without also getting themselves killed if anything went wrong 😂
@@PeterCacioppi the issue isn't really about how the aliens and engineers traveled, it's the forced connection to humanity. What made the original movies so great was how much wasn't known about the xenomorphs and the space jockey. Coupled with how...alien the xenomorphs and the space jockey were to anything on earth, it made the universe feel so much bigger than humanity.
As much as i love aliens and Prometheus, the fact that this movie has spawned so many RUclips videos discussing what’s happening here only demonstrates the messy writing. A good story shouldn’t require all this extra effort just to explain the basic plot and premise.
Saying a film is crap due to multiple videos uploaded discussing theories on it's concept, content and ending is a ridiculous statement. Inception & Interstellar definitely inspired many many videos on both films. Does that automatically mean they're both devoid of decent writing?
So this space ship crashed, no one from their own world thought to look for it or decided to check if earth was destroyed. They just did nothing and thought all was done for 2000 years. This movie has so many holes.
It was very poorly written. Ridley Scott showed that he's an over the hill hack who has no idea what he is doing. The first engineer to die should have been shown to be causing the Cambrian outbreak, but that would make the engineers civilization hundreds of millions of years old. Plus, the idea that the engineers created humans was laughably stupid as was their "horror" at human aggression. I thought the engineer attacked them because he discovered that David was an AI and that such technology is forbidden.
You missed the point. Prior to that scene a human hurt another human to shut her up. We are barbaric in the sense that we would hurt our own kind to get what we want. That's barbaric. And he saw us as nothing as we can't even respect our own species.
A common theme in SF: Man's hubris results in getting destroyed by his own creations. Frankenstein: Dr. Frankenstein's ambition and arrogance drive him to create life, but his creation ultimately leads to his ruin. Jurassic Park: John Hammond recreating dinosaurs leads to catastrophic consequences when his creations break free. Blade Runner: The Tyrell Corporation's creation of advanced replicants leads to chaos and questioning of humanity itself. Metropolis (1927 film): Rotwang's creation of the robot Maria wreaks havoc on the city, demonstrating the dangers of unchecked ambition and technological advancement. 2001: A Space Odyssey: The AI HAL 9000, designed to assist the human crew, becomes a threat when its programming conflicts with human commands. Etc.... If you accept Scott's notion that the xenomorph is created by the Engineers, they are also an example of being destroyed by their own hubris. (I prefer to ignore Prometheus and Covenant as not being canon, as I prefer to imagine xenomorphs as the end result of an evolutionary process in a particularly harsh environment, and they're eventually cultivated by the "engineers" as a WMD).
I know that shyt hurt, have you ever been head butt by a baby unexpectedly, sheesh almost make a grown man cry and they be laughing, hard headed phuccers
Finally a good video!! You should do a full video on this movie and alien Covent. You do a great job explaining everything.... Other videos are just youtubers answering peoples dumb questions with dumb answers.. lol
Unfortunately there was a fake re-done fan script veiled as an official early draft, which while super fascinating and creatively done, was never real in the first place. The Engineer line you quote in this video is taken from that fan made script. I actually also had watched content about this same early draft and thought it was real, but the comments and another creator when i posted on their video told me different. It is a fascinating fan script/change though!
I mean...IS it creatively done? "Advanced aliens want to merc humanity because we suck" and "important mythological/historical figure was actually caused by aliens" are both super cliche sci-fi tropes.
I think it was just because his alarm didn't go off. I also get startled and cranky when I wake up not knowing what time it is when my alarm fails. That and I am hangry.
The problem with the film was that SO much important initial stuff ended up on the cutting room floor, making the beginning and rest of the film totally incomprehensible.
For all its flaws in plot and whatnot, I'm pretty sure that these scenes, these dialogue lines (if they are even real, which they probably are not) were left out very deliberately, because they were bad and totally in your face. The movie actually does a fairly good job at inferring subtext, through the character of David, what the deal is with the engineers. Men created AI, and by and large have no respect for it (the prologue of Alien Covenant with Weyland and David further supports this). We don't need to know EXACTLY why the engineers saw mankind as a failure, it's not the point of the movie, the point is to think about the nature of creation, especially life (or life-like).
The problem was it was written by Damon Lindelof, who just like everything he does, had no actual idea what he was aiming for and just wrote a bunch of riddles with no answers (i.e. see his work in Lost)
@@RearAdmiralTootToot Also the Engineer dude was killed by a proto xenomorph so clearly the Engineers aren't gods either. The Engineers had to use their own DNA to make humans. They didn't create something from nothing, they had to use something nature had already made itself to make life. The Engineers were just people influencing the world around them same as humans.
One of the main mistakes of the movie was the dramatic exchange between Shaw and Idris Alba at the end it should have been done over an intercom instead of in person
The amount of films with deleted scenes that seem to explain all the confusing scenarios why delete them , just leave them in, and half the time, they're great scenes
Because the studio heads think we the viewers are idiots with zero attention span. The deleted scene the RUclipsr is referencing to was mostly filmed. It's an extended version of what we got in the theatrical version. So the studio head or some other big wig thought we were too stupid and wouldn't be able to follow David and the Engineer talking. But when you watch the extended version, it's so much better and full of suspense once the Engineer wakes up and looks over and talks to the David and Weyland. You get a much better understanding as to WHY the Engineers were going to wipe out humanity.
Deleted scenes are also not canon unfortunately. They're cut content, no different than brainstorming ideas during script writingthat never go anywhere. They just made it further along in the process before being scrapped. Why was the idea scrapped? My guess is, it's too on the nose. It's better if the humans actually DON'T know the engineers' motivations. Same for the audience. That is the entire point and concept behind a franchise called "ALIEN" - that's the terror, the unknown entities that are so alien to us, we can't figure out what it is they want other than that they are killing us. Once you start to give them motivations and reasoning, they become less alien and then less terrifying.
The other question: How is their military command incompetent enough to no notice a mission has failed for 2000 years? I get that they probably don't have means of long-range communication but at some point you just gotta send someone else.
They probably sent christ by teleportation. 😂 And it took them 2,000 years to move their alien arses to Earth to drop a dirty load. They might as well have used donkeys.
the attempt to slip in lore at the last second by putting a xenomorph variant in the end was a really cheap way of setting up the sequel which did a better job of explaining the origin being a human AI creation but the whole series and all this crap they're doing now seems purely a money deal. no real intent on improving the franchise
coming from a fascst. you can't even understand simple, 1+1, in front of your face, facts. you definitely can't understand a movie plot. your existence is a dumpster fire.
C'mon. He didn't feel the slightest bit awkward? Can you imagine... being (accidentally) woken up by the people you were supposed to genocide 2000 years ago, lol.... and they still don't know...
I think it's much more simply boiling down to the fact that they observed us and they thought of us as of a failed experiment when they witnessed our violence. when he woke up he was intrigued by the visible manifestations of our evolution, but seeing the crew beat each other, and hearing weyland compare himself to them when his creation was just artificial made him go back to his original take on humans : they must be eliminated.
Firstly, it's insane that I'm the 6000th comment. Secondly, Looking through all the comments, I see that no-one has discovered that this 'deleted dialogue' is fake. It's part of a fan-made script called PROMETHEUS - Draft #17. Damon Lindelof himself confirmed that it is fan-made.
I was just scanning through these comments to see if this was fake. They don't show a deleted scene with the alien saying these things. They just have typed up this dialog to show us. And it is way too long and detailed and confusing and poorly written to have even been written in the script that way. Culturally, I can't imagine the directors would privilege Christianity in this way in any part of the process. The most a movie like this might do is to include Jesus as one of many religious leaders they sent. It would just be too controversial and distracting to focus it on one religion like that.
Lol. That line of dialogue came from a notorious fan script ... Also, the most logical reason for why Prometheus didn't make much sense is Occam's razor. David lindelof is absolutely incompetent and wrote absolute shite
Oof. This fanfic jeebus idea is even dumber than the real movie script. What a waste of talent, money and time either way. I guess it employed a lot of art department, cast and crew for a year or two.
@@imasudonemThis piece of information so called fan written is obviously ripping off the Bible one of those oldest scriptures. What happened comes from eye witness. Get it though you’re head fan fiction writers steal from the Bible.
I know man. That's the state of the internet today. You can just upload some bullshit but if you do it in a clever way then all the clueless sheep will gladly fall for it and participate in shitting out opinions. All based on a bullshit video.
"You woke out of a 2000 year sleep and didn't even think to turn the coffee machine on yet?" *Points at the space jockey seat, which is really an engineer version of the espresso machine*
Most of Ridley's movies has references to biblical themes...so here we have David, Weyland and lastly the Engineers having this God complex to solely create and destroy (very old testament)
@@isaiahclayton3131 I love the movie too but the engineer dialogue never should’ve been cut. If you watch the deleted scenes it makes the movie so much better and makes more sense.
@@ben66562 the actual deleted scenes are on RUclips if you care to look them up and yes there is Engineer dialogue and the scene with the engineer and Elizabeth at the end is much much better too. The engineer dialogue in the DS is not as long as this video shows but he does in fact speak.
The Black Goo is the most inconsistent thing. It basically does whatever the writer feels like. Symptoms are constipation, sweat, fever, headaches, nausea, oh and possibly breaks down your DNA, or can make a giant facehugger grow inside of you. If pregnant can mutate your child into a strange humanoid xenomorph or whatever else we think of because nobody on this writing staff is on the same page.
Even if this script were genuine, which it isn't, I don't see how it would show that the Engineers did "nothing wrong." Wiping out an entire intelligent species because a tiny handful of them killed your emissary makes little sense.
They probably wanted a very ideal version of humanity like one that was never violent. Maybe this is because the authors are probably boomer hippies that have negative views of humanity so their ideal version of humanity would be very unviolent and see it as that we deserve to be punished for our violent behavior. This type of thinking is very common in the older individuals who have a very negative nihilistic view on humans. So maybe that’s why the authors wrote the engineers that way
So, the reason none of this made sense in the movie is because Scott either cut out, or never shot, the scenes that would have made sense of it. The Engineers' reasoning is the same as countless super-powered hypocrites in SF. "Oh no, you're a bit violent. So we're going to demonstrate our moral superiority by exterminating you." If you want to be a god and have your creations be perfect, make them perfect. If you can't or won't make them perfect don't complain that they're imperfect. It's your fault after all. For anyone with any education in Moral Philosophy this isn't even a very interesting dilemma.
Eh, are we critiquing the alien or we are critiquing the writing? The writing in that case would seem to be accurate since that's how human beings act too. We *want* to create something better than ourselves, but we can't. That doesn't stop us from trying. You could argue the aliens being as flawed as their creation is intentional. As the Biblical quote goes, man was created in his image.
2000 years ago people were a lot smarter than we are now.... they had to do it the hard way and invent everything and they already had running hot water in Rome via aquaducts. What you refer to is the early Phaleolithic roughly 2.5 million years ago to 10,000 B.C. People nowadays don't know shit about history.
@@yeoseotidle2290Anything you give humans, we’ll figure out how it works. Humans are definitely at the engineer’s level intellectually, but not developmentally. If 10,000 trained humans landed on that planet, we’d reverse engineer that tech in a decade.
Good breakdown of the engineer's story, it actually is quite credible, and could be closer to the truth than we comfortably know, they talk of the Ancient Elohim's Anunnaki, the truth is out there.
Indeed there is a lot of truth in these movies weather we choose to see it or not. The power at be definitely know the truth and want us to think this is all a fairytale.
So the Engineer destroys himself w/ the Black Goo to start a complex evolutionary process that takes (?) millions of years and we end up genetically identical to them at the end?
@@Ghostyboydeaddoes this offend you? Does the thought of Elohim (translation: the gods) frighten you? We have no idea how we got here, but there is tons of evidence of genetic experimentation. Our government has been doing it for decades as well.
This guy gets it. Isaiah 14: 12-14 How you have fallen from heaven, O day star, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O destroyer of nations. You said in your heart: “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God. I will sit on the mount of assembly, in the far reaches of the north. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”
The Engineers are so badly written. They're meant to be this ultra advanced god-like race but don't have anything to stop a rouge ship from flying to their home world armed with bio weapons? They never created air traffic control towers? Made a bio weapon but never made any sort of cure or contingency plan?
We haven't seen any homewoeld, but its not explained what this world was or the one in the other movie either. It is quite unclear if there was any lorebook ever made or not to explain it to next guy who needs to make a script. They just make and made stuff as they went along. Its so disappointing that fans come up with these explanations, but reality is not even that they were badly written its more like that they weren't written.
Says theyre badly written but only has comments about the 1 planet that has a buried ship with an engineer in a pod. what if every single other occupied planet has exactly what you say is missing lol. Nice.
Such an extermination mission would have been monitored. If there had been no returning personnel, it would have indicated serious consequences. No 2000 years delay.
Yet more proof of both bad writing and incredibly lax military practices on the Engineer's part. The fact that a single synth was able to genocide what was left of them also further proves that second point. Pathetic.
There is thousand of things that could have prevented doing anything, or how significant such mission even was for them. Such event could be as insignificant as scientist euthanizing labrats at the end of an experiment.
This dialog "blood of our lord" is from a Fan Edit... Prometheus Orange Draft.... it is not part of the Original Drafts. There are other Drafts we have never seen released that have Dialog but this dialog has never been released.. a little was shown in the Blu-ray extras (Sacrificial Scene). The jist of of it is the Engineers had seen the way we had become which displeased them, they saw us a Threat. When the Engineer sees how Weyland had put his own selfish needs above the others... comes to this place to demand more life.... The Engineer realizes that Mankind are selfish and barbaric still and being able to now traverse the Stars. We had to be stopped!
That makes sense, also taking the sacrificial nature of their process to create life shows reverence for life and death. So you take Weyland asking for immortality from a species who value life and death would be a huge insult. Then way the engineer looks at David suggests it understands that he is artificial and immortal and again could be seen as abhorrent.
@@GenewormGames when I look at the extended version.... The Engineer to me looked at David with Pitty...... then this turned to Anger towards Weyland as he used Davids Head. To me i wondered if the Engineer had pitty as the Engineer was similar.. as in a Superior Engineered Sub-Creation to serve a specific Purpose. The Engineers skin was Glossy and Synthetic looking... like say some Silicone Masks vs Human Skin texture. When I saw the Engineers in Alien Covenant then this made me think... yeah so i bet the Prometheus Engineers are Genetically Enhanced. I think that the Offspring from Romulus gives us a Clue that yes... the Z01/Pathogen can Evolve a Human to having Prometheus Engineer look to them.. Surely a refined Process on the Planet 4 guys gives us the Prometheus Engineers.
so the explanation is simpler and right there. Wayland said we are gods, Engineer thought nope we don't tolerate competition. The original mission was to go to Earth and start Phase II, that's all. Yes would have destroyed us and made us into something else.
The entire RUclips video is based on fake claims and a fake script. Everything is fake these days, and Prometheus is just dumb, no hours of explanation required.
first off: why would it met backlash? Some people are so cult-like atheists that get this triggered by the most minuscule mention of a name or an event. second: Religious people should be the ones triggered more. This approach transforms a supernatural being such as God into an easily explainable phenomenon through SCIENCE like an advanced Alien species. It tells you that Jesus was basically indoctrinated but a group of grey guys in a space ship lol.
Why this scene was deleted baffles me. Finding out what the deal was with the Engineers was the whole premise of the film and they're like "yeah let's cut this thirty seconds of plot-critical dialog for time."
Weyland was too arrogant as well. I can relate with the engineer. Cinematography was amazing in these two movies but unfortunately the stupidy of the characters ruined them.
@@testtest-wt5ho Yes, but this is equating “god” with great*grandparent, which is not at all the biblical model. Words are being used very strangely. (Also, to pick further nits, there are green land plants visible in the dissolution scene, so this is very late in history and-given that we and plants obviously have common ancestors-the “alien” is probably from earth anyway. But I guess it's traditional for science fiction to ignore the science on this point.)
1) "God made mankind in his own form", remember? 2) You say "alien who dissolves in river" but it's more "alien PURPOSELY dissolves itself so that it's DNA can produce life on planet Earth", so the notioin of self-sacrifice for a greater good (supposedly) is a key point there.
No. They are just as violent as we are. So that doesn't make any sense. Why would they make something that would cause so much pain if they were peace living beings? This was stupid. No wonder it was left out.
Nice analysis there genius. Conceptually the script is superior to almost everything we get nowadays. The bar is of course pretty low but objectively there is nothing wrong with the theme of prometheus. It's really well developed on that side. Sure it is a bit goofy here and there and does commit the mistake of making some characters seem incompetent and their decisions not justified but that comes from the fact that Alien was originally inspired by Metal Hurlant comics which didnt take itself too seriously and was meant to be a little pulp. Id have preferred a more hard sci-fi version of Prometheus too but to claim it was written by drunks or fools is preposterous and tell me more about the cognitive abilities of those who make such statements
@@NoOne-uh9vu The crew's stupidity is because of that crazy weylands' daughter who put that crappy crew together on purpose. Would have expected a bit more professional crew, true.
Hou just don't understand the concept, they are trying to explain,how was Xenomorph created. It did not apear from nowhere,it was semehow created and what was the purpose. They try to give it a deaper meaning. But people just want a gore movie with Xenomorph over and over again.
i think we don't see life because they're hiding from us. the "dark forest hypothesis" gives an idea that the universe is teeming with life that is avoiding becoming prey from other life. we are the inquisitive barbaric civilization aliens avoid.
the "dark forest hypothesis" explains this. we are possibly the civilization that other life around the galaxy avoids. violent, inquisitive, self destructive. if you ever played the game spore you know what i mean lol.
Could have saved the whole IP by making a good sequel to Prometheus, explaining things. In the grand scheme, Covenant made the whole universe extremely disappointing.
"The Engineers did nothing wrong." Seriously? You really believe that? So you believe g3nocid3 is perfectly fine then, right? Because every group anyone has ever tried to exterminate has had criminals and violence in their society, so obviously ending them all down to the last child was perfectly justified, right? Also, the entire concept of "wow, these people are pretty violent, let's send ONE person to ONE small corner of this Iron Age planet, with NO technological or logistical support and just ASSUME that he can fix the entire species" makes the Engineers out to be complete morons. Granted, they are already morons for using the xenomorphs as weapons when dropping rocks from orbit would suffice, but still. Not only that, but the entire plan hinges on them KNOWING that what they didn't like about humanity could be fixed by simple education, which makes them come off as not only complete monsters for deciding the entire species needed to end, but lazy ones as well. "Well, we taught one guy, and that didn't magically fix the entire species overnight. Oh well, time to give up and liquidate them all, I guess." Instead of convincing me that the Engineers did nothing wrong, all you've succeeded in doing with this video is convince me that David was right when he pressed "return to sender" on their bio-weapon in the sequel.
There is another explanation as well. The Engineers hate synthetic/artificial life (robots/androids); that's why David was decapitated. Engineers also dislike violence; so, seeing that gaurd hit Elizabeth Shah, he knew these humans were still as violent as ever, so he wanted to kill them. However, when the Engineer ran after Shah, he stumbled into that room with the chandelier, and the video of the girl playing the violin...he saw these "humans" knew about art, music, and had developed an actual culture. Then, you see the Engineer walk up to Shah, and he just STARES at her with those big, puppy-dog eyes. THAT MOMENT was the moment when the Engineer changed his mind about killing Shah and ALL of humanity...but, Shah didn't understand what he was doing, because the Engineer didn't say anything....and, she stands up with the axe and starts attacking him, and he ended up dying because of her actions getting him impregnated by that Tentacled Xenomorph. Also, Elizabeth Shah AND every one of those crew members were COMPLETE idiots. They didn't do ANYTHING correctly. Watch the movie again and just LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF MISTAKES they all make. And, THAT was supposed to be the best of the best which Wayland could come up with? Pssh! They all got what they deserved just for being stupid...and, they almost got ALL OF HUMANITY killed.
@@surreal3900 Yeah...there's something called "suspension of disbelief" when we all watch movies. What that means is, "Yes! Of course, we know this is unrealistic/dumb/unbelievable...but, just stop thinking about it, and TRY to enjoy the movie." However, some movies push the limits of the suspension of disbelief to the point in which we simply can't suspend it. This movie did that with how dumb the crew was.
honestly seems like he jumped to conclusions WAY too quickly. like this is such a small sample size to judge ALL humans by, especially after 2000 years
@@GreenTeaGal01 Agreed. But, look at it through his eyes: Humans KILLED the one human "savior" which the Engineers sent to Earth. Humans were VERY violent back then. And, now the Engineer is awakened by these humans...and, one of them is demanding to be made immortal, because he sees himself as a god. Then, he's being yelled at by another human (Shah). And, another human attacks the one yelling. AND, they brought artificial "life" with them. NOT a good way to start your day. Maybe, if all the humans just shut-up, and let the Engineer drink his coffee first, after a 2,000 year nap...there wouldn't have been a problem.
It being a religious movie would have hardly been the problem, rather the problem is a certain group in the middle east would've been mightily upset by the implication of the exact text that was uttered.
This particular group in a certain levantian region of the middle east hanged jesus to the cross. Incidentally, this same group also controls Hollywood.
Yeah....EDEN (Adam, rib surgery maybe, eh) .......Hmmmm, JEE-SUS was really reaching and kinda far fetched. Did NOT relate with me.....glad they left it OUT
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Why HAL 9000 Doesn't Want To Kill, But Has To... (2001: A Space Odyssey): ruclips.net/video/T3fAOKinHm0/видео.html
Hal 9000 had short circuited because of having contractions in his Prime Directive Programing, i.e., Cognizant Dissonance. Example, Hal was given the Prime Directive to protect and maintain ship functions and Humans. Trouble is Hal's contradictory program overlapped the Prime Program with Protecting / maintaining the actual mission secret keeping the astronauts ignorant. Even a Human would have trouble with these contradictive orders.
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See again video tapes removing scene: You will see 9 10 11…in 2001. Anunnaki has six fingers. 2001 in duodecimal?
You're FULL OF IT! The story of taking back the child was named Adapa. This is written in the Sumerian tablets. Had Nothing to do with a fictional character named jesus
Imagine waking up and finding out your ant colony has built interstellar travel with weapons that can kill you now.
a barbaric and selfish ant species at that
Ant man Quantumania moment
If this moving was telling the truth, the engineers would realize it wasn't our fault for Jesus Christs suffering, but instead the tiny hats.
@@lanthanumlanthanium6373 yeah... Hollywood doesnt want to remind us of that.
Barbaric perhaps, but what do you expect with emotions.. sorry but no species is perfect I refused to believe there is one without being altered genetically to remove certain emotions that cause violence. Every human is differen.@@XPK15
"Oh shit, yall are still alive!?" - The Engineer
lol
Bruh, when they woke him up dude was like "I know that aint who I thank it is" 🤣
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@@patedison5902 loooool
"Shit, how long did I oversleep for, my boss is gonna have my ass".
Dude woke up and realized he overslept and was late for work
Hahaha😂
This is typically me. Am i Engineer too? Hell yes
And the shit in the petri dish got out
This could have gone way different, if they thought to have fresh coffee brewing for the engineer
They should have offered a cup of coffee first, then this whole thing would have gone down radically differently.
The engineer looks SO disgusted and horrified by the violence against Shaw.
Glad that I was not the only one to think of this. Despite their original mission the engineer actually seemed rather surprised and curious about the humans in his presence, maybe even considering if they were wrong to deem them as failures... until Weyland orders violence. That one act was probably what proved that humans have never changed.
Yeah probably gave him a even more deeper reason to destroy us
So he commits more violence
contrast this with "Close Encounters", "ET", and "Starman"; two different views.These movies from those of us who love our species, and the Alien franchise from those of us who hate us.
to this day i don't understand why the studio decided to cut out the scene that would've explained the whole movie
who made that call??
imo i think it mightve been too intense of a concept for the average viewer. a lot of people are religious and it probably would've had backlash for depicting jesus in a "false" way. purely a profit motive out of creative control :/
lol yea sooo hard to understand....
I guarantee it was some suit who did it because they thought it was too high concept for the average viewer, you have to remember that most movies are funded by complete idiots with no concept of what the average person is like, so when simple concepts and direct exposition like this goes over their head they cut it to focus on the "good" (i.e. simple) bits like the violence
@@truthseekerdude Too high a concept? No, they removed a poorly veiled attack on Christianity, and they want the money of Christians. Maybe write an original story instead of trying to rewrite ours.
Wakes up 2000 years later: “ y’all got fancy robots, ships and suits!? The hell happened to you running around with swords and sticks!?”
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"we evolved... wanna see our guns ?" 😂🤣
@@paulmoadibe9321technically, evolved to become like them. There is another video showing David and Shaw went to the engineer home planet and it's truely way advance.
The engineers are a joke
@@SchminnerLol 😂
"I'm so late, the fridge mold i was supposed to wipe has evolved and asks me about meaning of life. Figures. Ah well."
Best comment lol
No. They didn't ask the meaning of life. They were demanding to be gods like the engineers. The engineers were on a path to bring a shiet load to wipe them. Somehow, that shiet load leaked and killed all of the engineer crew except that guy who continue to sleep through out way pass 2000 years. Obviously, he is still on rage mode to destroy.
@@kito1san don't even the evolved mold would straight demand a godhood from the fridge owner. The engineer would laugh himself to death on the audacity of that. So he softened the perception of the weaponized cringe for starters by implying the DEMAND was introduced by a question a mortal would ask when facing his deity.
"Sup, lord, gimme some of that sweet immortality."
h0ah0aha0ha0ha0ha0ha0ha0ha0h0ah!!! x'D
Of life, the universe, and everything.
the deleted scene should of never been removed it answered my questions.
I disagree with the writer in keeping it vague. He also was vague in LOST and ruined that show. Lookup article: ‘Prometheus’ Writer Damon Lindelof on Why ‘Vague’ Is Good
The whole point of Prometheus was to create questions and leave it to the viewer to reach their own answers, perhaps applying their faith.
I 100% agree. It also explains why the movie was cleverly called Prometheus. The Engineers were essentially gods who gave humans the tools to survive, similar to how Prometheus gave humans fire.
They removed the most direct evidence that the entire story is blatant blasphemy
@@lmajor5110 LOL. Gotta love that old time religious fundamentalism. Tell me how I'm going to burn in hell now but Jesus will save me if I repent.
Peter: "We are gods".
Engineer: " You're a fucking disappointment".
Not quite what he said but okay.
@@OriginalDrGonzo It's a joke. Welcome to the internet.
@@OriginalDrGonzo He's quoting Soldier boy from The Boys. It's funny, and you are uncultured.
Nah…In keeping with the Judeo-christian ideology that was advanced by the screenplay writer, the Engineer said ‘Jesus fucking christ!…’
A bad product, some may say.
So he's on a mission to destroy humanity, who are a bronze age civilisation. He gets delayed 2,000 years and us awoken *by humans* who have now achieved interstellar travel....and decides to pick up where he left off. Yeah the strategic situation hasn't changed at all.
"Bronze age" ?
They already had excellent quality steel 2000 years ago my dude 🤣🤣🤣 but yeah I get your point 😃😜
Yep. This is why they deleted it. It's dumb and unoriginal.
Also, sending 1 enlightened person back to influence billions........they should have gave him waaay more powers than that lol.
Like throwing a golden retriever to the wolves.
Maybe to them 2000 years is but a blip, and with their understanding of humans they know nothing has changed. Which in many way the engineers would be correct wouldn't you agree?
@@hhhy9160 Only around 300 million tbf to them, population didn't even hit a billion until the late 1700s/early 1800s
My explanation has always been that the writers of this movie were completely inept.
Lol yes. They wanted to tackle big ideas but lacked the philosophical or creative capacity to satisfactorily come up with explanations and motivations that made sense.
Given the plot holes you could drive Grip Truck through, this is a fair assesment.
This is the most likely reason.
Right
Yup
The engineer also didn’t like them hitting Shaw, just more proof of their violent creation. Imagine meeting God and asking for help then punching a woman in the face lol. What did the engineers expect? They created us in their image, their violent, destructive, black goo creating image. That’s why David just turning that city to black goo stone was so epically justified, although his ultimate intention was just testing the capabilities of the weapon and the people in the city weren’t the god like engineers that created mankind. Still cool though.
There's nothing justified in what David did at all. The engineers wiping us out even though wrong it makes sense and we have it coming everything we do is the perfect example why they wanted to kill us and why we deserve it. They get rid of us they can create something better and gift the earth to them.
"Oh fuck, i over slept... oh, the targets... well maybe they got past the violent rotting way?"
Old rich guy asks for immortality and orders a women gets assaulted.
"Really, in front of my bio weapons?"
Engineers werent violent to eachother, that was their goal for the creation of humans. The planet david killed was actually a religous world and they were peaceful and highly spiritual of god-science dna.
That a species of alien have black goo tech for military and extermination does not make them villanous and a bad example for humanity. The engineers dominated galaxies together as a people working together, SOmething humans couldnt do and the few civilizations that worked together were destroyed by their own kind. Not an engineer trait.
@@bpagan32 no but it is their fault, he literally said "we gave you this emotion, all of emotion"
@@bpagan32any species that would invent that black goo to literally destroy all life on a planet -- that's not a peaceful species, lol.
Also, that black goo is more than just a biological weapon, that black goo itself is a new species whose one sole mission is to kill any living thing it comes across (all the other movies in the franchise).
When we see how violently the Engineer reacts to the humans, Shaw asks the obvious audience question, "why do you hate us? why do you want to kill us?" THIS is the question Lindelof set up in the beginning of the movie (faith and humanity's place in the universe). Was creating us a mistake? If so, WHY was creating us a mistake? You finally meet your creators and learn that they want to KILL YOU. That's a profound, terrifying idea.
But Lindelof doesn't know how to answer that question. So he answers a different question, instead: Weyland wants more life. That's right, a minor, late-introduced character that nobody cares about answers a question that nobody asked. Lindelof tries to make Weylands argument sound lofty and poetic with his, "I Created David So We Are Both Like The Gods" speech. But really, this is Lindelof telling us that he is NEVER going to answer Shaw's question. And before you can figure out that you've just been tricked and all that build-up was for nothing, Lindelof bails out of this scene by making the Engineer irrationally angry and try to kill everyone. Now NO other questions can be answered. Isn't that convenient for Lindelof? Remember that the Engineer just woke up from stasis. He has NO idea what's going on . . . how long it's been . . . what's going on back home or who these humans are.
This is what's called "Mystery Box Writing." The way it works is you set up a mystery that the audience REALLY wants to know the answer to. Then, when the time comes in the story to answer that question you either 1) Don't answer the question, 2) Answer a different question. 3) Postpone answering the question ("a good question. for another time"). Lindelof did this over and over again in "Lost." And audiences fall for this bait-and-switch storytelling all the time. They think that the movie was "deep" (because it asked a deep question) but they can't remember WHY it was deep (because that question was never answered). It's a cheap writing technique for dumb hacks.
Great comment. You should make videos
Weyland's unexpected presence on the ship and subsequent scene makes better sense if we regard the TED Talk scene with the younger Weyland as part of the canon.
I never watched Prometheus or Covenant in theaters. By the time I watched the movies online, I'd already viewed the TED Talk and other deleted scenes on RUclips. So from that perspective, Weyland's appearance on the ship fit. But those deleted scenes robbed the movie of essential context.
Basically, terrible editing. I mean, in addition to the utter stupidity of the crew on planet.
So you're saying the smoke monster is actually one of the engineers' weapons?
A very useful and complete analysis of poor plot construction. I thought the movie was weak when I saw it. Thank you.
This is it, thanks for your insight
The Problem with Prometheus is like most of Ridley Scotts movies, He makes a 3-4 hour long movie and then cuts it in half for theatrical release, and then when it comes out it makes a directors cut that is back to being 3-4 hours long... just stop cutting down your movies.
if a movie is 2 hours long they can sell shows to like 10 showings a day. If it's 3 hours, they can show like 5. Movies run time are getting longer tho if you compare movies back in the 80's. You would never get movies 2.5 or 3 hrs. Now there are a lot.
You can change the name to Zach Snyder and the same message would still be true. Lol
@@tgo007then increase prices??
@@tomikun8057 Depends on where you go but I think the cost is actually cheaper than the rate of inflation. And they kind of have to because a lot less people go to the movies now.
If people buy it they'll keep doing it...blame yourself, not the corporation.
But no one question why in all cave paintings they telling the location of bio weapon armory and not their home world
I mean its possible the Engineers also changed in that span of time, like a temple of worship and study being turned into a bio weapons facility to eliminate their past creations
The Star Map was never a invitation....
Its not really explained why it points to the system....or what LV-223 was beyond a Biological Warfare Lab.
However that Cave painting is Thousands of Years older than the OUTBREAK on LV-223....
Did the Engineers create a Pathogen to destroy Earth and then show a Map but then wait Thousands of Years before deciding to use the Pathogen only to have a OUTBREAK?
It could be that LV-223 was something else at the time of the Cave Paintings....
I Speculate it could have been a Laboratory where they TEST their Evolutionary Steps... a Sandbox a Nursery of sorts... where they evolved us from.
So maybe the Star Map is saying "this is where you are from"
It is not where the Engineers were from..... maybe it could be pointed to the constellation the Engineers were from... but as the Engineers Planet may have been cloaked (idea in earlier drafts of Alien Covenant).
Then LV-223 was the World that Dr Shaw assumed it was due to being the only suitable Place within the Constellation/Star Map.
@@kennethsatria6607 Yeah thats how i see it too.
Sounds more like a crappy plot device
The GOO!!! Now also used as a cheap plot device in Amazons Lord of the Rings season 2
That was amazing!!! I loved Prometheus and this dialogue would've been awesome!
My 'gut' Interpretation when I first watched the film was,
"Earth was an unsanctioned experiment by a rogue engineer making an inferior self image (humans) instead of more engineers. Once the abomination (ie. Humans) was discovered, the Xenomorphs were designed specifically as a targeted weedkiller to efficiently remove the abomination from all of creation. However, before the weapon system could deliver the payload, the containment failed. Much mayhem ensued...."
But that's just a theory,....... a me theory!
I don't think that's exactly how it works in canon, but your interpretation is probably more solid/well organized than the actual truth the creators were going for.
Thing is, if your some advanced engineer, who can create all kinds of things, why would you go to the trouble of creating something to wipe out a race, that effectually could wipe your kind too AND isn't there a quicker way to wipe out a species? Xenomorphs seems cumbersome and messy, it creates more xenomorphs that you'd also need to wipe out eventually.
@@platinumareI bet one of the bald engineers said “Ok hear me out. Give them a swimming pool then take away the ladder once they are in. What? I saw it in a video game, Phil! Back off!”
@@Dave_Briski And then, "wait are they climbing the walls, but we didn't put a ladder. SOMEONE SOUND THE ALARM WE'RE SCREWED"
@@GodoftheBlessed “Ok we take the ladder out, put KY Jelly on the pool coping and throw some White Claws in the middle of the pool, but only enough for like 3 of them.”
The irony of an advanced alien species calling humans barbaric, whilst those same aliens construct bio-weapons capable of complete planetary genocide, down to the microbe. Mr. Engineer, Pot meet Kettle.
Yeah this justifications to erase humanity is very weak.
@@thomaslacornette1282maybe Cus the engineers worship another entity
@@loverofyurigagarin1149 Carl on second floor? He rocks!
@@loverofyurigagarin1149Talk out the “s” in “Father” and its a complete replica to the Bible. The Engineers were probably like angels
An author with an eraser is not called barbaric. An artist who uses the undo function on photoshop is not a murderer. How can a creation judge a creator?
The biggest surprise is that a real guy looked 100% CGI.
Seriously? You can tell it's a physical actor in makeup. You watch too many crappy modern movies. Can't even tell what's real or not.
@@majorpwner241 watched this on theathers in 2012 - Movie is overall so bad that you must concentrate 120% to notice the engineer is not CGI.
@@rheavictor7 wasnt even that bad of a movie lol wtf
@@Scrahdabley It was atrocious. The plot, the characters, everything was stupid.
Who was the actor? Got to be Kevin Nash or Dave Batista haha
I must admit, that Prometheus was the movie, that I enjoyed most in the Alien film universe. It just stands out by the way of storytelling and it comes down to the fundamentals of this scient fiction universe.
*science
... but it fits
it didnt
I agree, Prometheus was my favorite one, but I'm afraid we are in the minority. Most people just want to see monsters, they don't care about story.
@@christschool Well spoken. You are hitting the nail.
And yet, Ridley Scott manages to cock it up by having bufoons for crew mates other than the Captain and his two mates, most nearly everyone else was just a badly drawn caricature getting lost, than trying to pet an alien snake, then having an AI robot that has a screw loose and infects a human, both the so called leaders father and daughter in the Weylands were just horrid without an ounce of humanity...I could have understood if one was but both on the most important mission ever to find alien life!!!! and yes this theme of Aliens coming to earth and seeding it and then coming back to deliver Christ as a saviour would have worked but the execution was terrible... all on the nose, no subtext and on and on...and then to follow it up with even worse characters in the follow up movie, no, the first Alien movie is the masterpiece. Oh and as mentioned by someone else, the cave painting all pointed to a planet that hosted biological weapons armory and not the homeworld...odd that! and finally, this should have been a stand alone series as having David creating the Alien is just absurd...
Engineer: 'Your kind is a barbaric, violent species.'
Also Engineer: *rips off David's head and smacks Weyland across the face with it*
Well, gee, I wonder where we picked up those traits...
>when your parents are hypocrites
I think we can guess now why their other attempts to create life failed...
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Ding ding. Prometheus was complete foolishness.
if they’re barbaric he has to fight them at their own game stupid humans
This is why I've always felt that Prometheus should have been it's own franchise with nothing to do with Alien. Now, it feels like 2 puzzle pieces that don't fit each other being forced together. Which is crazy because they managed to fit Alien and Predator together like it was planned.
Doesn't Prometheus just say that the Alien lifeforms are the biological weapon designed to destroy humanity? To my mind, that fits nicely. The Xenomorphs aren't sophisticated enough to engage in space travel, so they needed another species to transport them. Thats the Engineers.
So theres aliens , predators, engineers and humans.. why the bad guys always get all the cool stuff?
@@PeterCacioppi Although it gets you wondering: if they're that advanced to create new lifeforms then wouldn't they've been smart enough to have safety, control and containment measures against pathogens of their own making? Like they should be capable of exterminating an entire planet without also getting themselves killed if anything went wrong 😂
@@PeterCacioppi the issue isn't really about how the aliens and engineers traveled, it's the forced connection to humanity. What made the original movies so great was how much wasn't known about the xenomorphs and the space jockey. Coupled with how...alien the xenomorphs and the space jockey were to anything on earth, it made the universe feel so much bigger than humanity.
Agree. It was like Ridley Scott was trying to tell another story but decided to throw in a bit of Alien and it went astray from there.
As much as i love aliens and Prometheus, the fact that this movie has spawned so many RUclips videos discussing what’s happening here only demonstrates the messy writing.
A good story shouldn’t require all this extra effort just to explain the basic plot and premise.
The issue wasn't the writing, but the edition, but in the rest a agree with you.
Well said good sir. 🎩
Saying a film is crap due to multiple videos uploaded discussing theories on it's concept, content and ending is a ridiculous statement.
Inception & Interstellar definitely inspired many many videos on both films.
Does that automatically mean they're both devoid of decent writing?
It means the total opposite, it's purpose was to keep you wanting more which is exactly what it's doing.
@@GaRdZ82 No--that would only apply if it was universally acclaimed as a great film. This is not, by a long shot.
This is like the most cinematic sin to leave out this scene.
So this space ship crashed, no one from their own world thought to look for it or decided to check if earth was destroyed. They just did nothing and thought all was done for 2000 years. This movie has so many holes.
It was very poorly written. Ridley Scott showed that he's an over the hill hack who has no idea what he is doing. The first engineer to die should have been shown to be causing the Cambrian outbreak, but that would make the engineers civilization hundreds of millions of years old. Plus, the idea that the engineers created humans was laughably stupid as was their "horror" at human aggression. I thought the engineer attacked them because he discovered that David was an AI and that such technology is forbidden.
If they don’t have FTL travel, then one year of ship traveling could easily be 2000 years on earth.
Relativity and all.
@@zerotothe0ne Exactly even FTL really woudn't be an instant (which is a seemingly held as fact everywhere, it ain't).
@@Folker46590I really like the idea that AI would be some form of heresy to them dang, shame
Yeah there's a reason why they don't let Damon Lindelof write movies any more
"Your kind is a barbaric species" and proceeds to rip them apart by hand. Oh, yeah. Great point. I see the wisdom of your example...
It didn't make sense, I agree.
You missed the point. Prior to that scene a human hurt another human to shut her up. We are barbaric in the sense that we would hurt our own kind to get what we want. That's barbaric. And he saw us as nothing as we can't even respect our own species.
You do swat a cockroach when you see it.
@@SurroundedByIdgetsaliens kill each other too and they also evolved
Ridley Scott may think he's presenting deep thoughts, but I think he's just trolling the audience.
Imagine getting knocked out by a guy using a head as a weapon.
A common theme in SF: Man's hubris results in getting destroyed by his own creations.
Frankenstein: Dr. Frankenstein's ambition and arrogance drive him to create life, but his creation ultimately leads to his ruin.
Jurassic Park: John Hammond recreating dinosaurs leads to catastrophic consequences when his creations break free.
Blade Runner: The Tyrell Corporation's creation of advanced replicants leads to chaos and questioning of humanity itself.
Metropolis (1927 film): Rotwang's creation of the robot Maria wreaks havoc on the city, demonstrating the dangers of unchecked ambition and technological advancement.
2001: A Space Odyssey: The AI HAL 9000, designed to assist the human crew, becomes a threat when its programming conflicts with human commands.
Etc....
If you accept Scott's notion that the xenomorph is created by the Engineers, they are also an example of being destroyed by their own hubris. (I prefer to ignore Prometheus and Covenant as not being canon, as I prefer to imagine xenomorphs as the end result of an evolutionary process in a particularly harsh environment, and they're eventually cultivated by the "engineers" as a WMD).
Haha. .it was actually a funny seen.
You made me spit up in laughter on my phone screenol
I know that shyt hurt, have you ever been head butt by a baby unexpectedly, sheesh almost make a grown man cry and they be laughing, hard headed phuccers
He beat a dude with another dude!
Finally a good video!! You should do a full video on this movie and alien Covent. You do a great job explaining everything.... Other videos are just youtubers answering peoples dumb questions with dumb answers.. lol
Unfortunately there was a fake re-done fan script veiled as an official early draft, which while super fascinating and creatively done, was never real in the first place. The Engineer line you quote in this video is taken from that fan made script. I actually also had watched content about this same early draft and thought it was real, but the comments and another creator when i posted on their video told me different. It is a fascinating fan script/change though!
That was fan made? Makes more sense why it was such a used-up trope then. Good catch!
@@CthonicSoulChickenit’s not fake kek, look at his pfp he’s obviously a soyjack troll.
Jesus knew nothing about these "advanced beings." He spewed lots of hippie shyt. That's why the script was fake.
@@kreator-ys1yz Jesus in Egypt, India and Asia ring any bells?
I mean...IS it creatively done? "Advanced aliens want to merc humanity because we suck" and "important mythological/historical figure was actually caused by aliens" are both super cliche sci-fi tropes.
Rick and Morty car battery episode
"Keep... Summer... SAFE!"
Story of rick and morty, especially the carbattery episode is way better than this movie
"Peace among worlds"
@@Weedbringer666much obliged
It's a great episode. ✌️🌎🤣
1:19 he woke up and immediately chose violence? One can empathise with this.If anybody wakes me up from a nap that’s my initial reaction too. 😂
Think about it
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Especially when involves excessive amount of noise.
I think it was just because his alarm didn't go off. I also get startled and cranky when I wake up not knowing what time it is when my alarm fails. That and I am hangry.
These 5 minutes just made that movie so much better!
The problem with the film was that SO much important initial stuff ended up on the cutting room floor, making the beginning and rest of the film totally incomprehensible.
For all its flaws in plot and whatnot, I'm pretty sure that these scenes, these dialogue lines (if they are even real, which they probably are not) were left out very deliberately, because they were bad and totally in your face. The movie actually does a fairly good job at inferring subtext, through the character of David, what the deal is with the engineers. Men created AI, and by and large have no respect for it (the prologue of Alien Covenant with Weyland and David further supports this). We don't need to know EXACTLY why the engineers saw mankind as a failure, it's not the point of the movie, the point is to think about the nature of creation, especially life (or life-like).
The problem was it was written by Damon Lindelof, who just like everything he does, had no actual idea what he was aiming for and just wrote a bunch of riddles with no answers (i.e. see his work in Lost)
All of this should have been answered in the next movie, too bad the normies demanded more xenomorph, thus Alien: Covenant.
The engineer knew David was not to be trusted.
“Yeah, whatever, I deserve more life because I’m as good as you.” Smart thing to tell your creator…
He demands "for being a god like you I deserve more life" seconds before he gets less life. Guess he wasnt God.
@@RearAdmiralTootToot Also the Engineer dude was killed by a proto xenomorph so clearly the Engineers aren't gods either.
The Engineers had to use their own DNA to make humans. They didn't create something from nothing, they had to use something nature had already made itself to make life. The Engineers were just people influencing the world around them same as humans.
Why do you say this like you have a point of reference? Tf
@@Gilvids We’re just goofing. Lighten up and join the party.
One of the main mistakes of the movie was the dramatic exchange between Shaw and Idris Alba at the end it should have been done over an intercom instead of in person
Engineer: Oh sh*t I forgot to set an alarm....My boss will fire me... - It's normal to be upset a bit.
Holy crap, you guys found us?!? Oh well, better late than never. Beat down time!
If you want to get to the point 03:04
The amount of films with deleted scenes that seem to explain all the confusing scenarios why delete them , just leave them in, and half the time, they're great scenes
Totally agree!!
Because corpos don't care about stories
Because the studio heads think we the viewers are idiots with zero attention span. The deleted scene the RUclipsr is referencing to was mostly filmed. It's an extended version of what we got in the theatrical version. So the studio head or some other big wig thought we were too stupid and wouldn't be able to follow David and the Engineer talking. But when you watch the extended version, it's so much better and full of suspense once the Engineer wakes up and looks over and talks to the David and Weyland. You get a much better understanding as to WHY the Engineers were going to wipe out humanity.
Deleted scenes are also not canon unfortunately. They're cut content, no different than brainstorming ideas during script writingthat never go anywhere. They just made it further along in the process before being scrapped. Why was the idea scrapped? My guess is, it's too on the nose. It's better if the humans actually DON'T know the engineers' motivations. Same for the audience. That is the entire point and concept behind a franchise called "ALIEN" - that's the terror, the unknown entities that are so alien to us, we can't figure out what it is they want other than that they are killing us. Once you start to give them motivations and reasoning, they become less alien and then less terrifying.
it's because Hollywood don't like Christians themes, so the Jesus reference here had to be deleted.
The Engineer killing the people because the people killed each other sounds more like a 'like father like son' reaction to me.
The other question:
How is their military command incompetent enough to no notice a mission has failed for 2000 years?
I get that they probably don't have means of long-range communication but at some point you just gotta send someone else.
They were fighting a war with the predators for that long I guess they forgot
They probably sent christ by teleportation. 😂 And it took them 2,000 years to move their alien arses to Earth to drop a dirty load. They might as well have used donkeys.
Them ignoring that problem after some try to change it. Wery human.
This movie was supposed to give us the story about how the ship ended up on LV426 with the eggs
Instead we got a convoluted dumpster fire
the attempt to slip in lore at the last second by putting a xenomorph variant in the end was a really cheap way of setting up the sequel which did a better job of explaining the origin being a human AI creation but the whole series and all this crap they're doing now seems purely a money deal. no real intent on improving the franchise
Exactly, the origin of the space jokey mistery we all wanted, an d we got a deviated septum script made for a soap opera:))
coming from a fascst. you can't even understand simple, 1+1, in front of your face, facts. you definitely can't understand a movie plot. your existence is a dumpster fire.
是的，很有道理，但是我觉得人类还真有可能是外星文明创造的呢。毕竟谁也不知道人类进化关键道路上的历程
C'mon. He didn't feel the slightest bit awkward?
Can you imagine... being (accidentally) woken up by the people you were supposed to genocide 2000 years ago, lol.... and they still don't know...
It’s a little embarrassing… 😶
I would've also chosen violence ngl
Ha, it's like American presidents meeting Palestinians in space suits. Or Brits meeting Americans in space suits. Nothing so special if u ask me...
@@jordynozymandias374😂🤣
Its like mosquito waking you up so that you can kill them..
Bro overslept and didn’t know he was late. Like soldiers in a war that don’t know it was over.
I think it's much more simply boiling down to the fact that they observed us and they thought of us as of a failed experiment when they witnessed our violence. when he woke up he was intrigued by the visible manifestations of our evolution, but seeing the crew beat each other, and hearing weyland compare himself to them when his creation was just artificial made him go back to his original take on humans : they must be eliminated.
3:40 gods never die... No.... The CAMERA MAN never dies
Unless it's an Alec Baldwin movie.
Kidnapping ONE child in attempt to change and save a whole species sounds like poor planning
I know, right? That plan probably wouldn't work if they had kidnapped the roman emperor...
Especially since 80% of the worlds population didnt even hear about said child until the 1600s which is almost 2 millenia after
LOL, all true.
One person is enough to change the world.
@@Godsmessenger333 it' really not.
Firstly, it's insane that I'm the 6000th comment.
Secondly, Looking through all the comments, I see that no-one has discovered that this 'deleted dialogue' is fake.
It's part of a fan-made script called PROMETHEUS - Draft #17.
Damon Lindelof himself confirmed that it is fan-made.
A lot of fan made lore in other film series have been deemed canon by the writers.
I was just scanning through these comments to see if this was fake. They don't show a deleted scene with the alien saying these things. They just have typed up this dialog to show us. And it is way too long and detailed and confusing and poorly written to have even been written in the script that way. Culturally, I can't imagine the directors would privilege Christianity in this way in any part of the process. The most a movie like this might do is to include Jesus as one of many religious leaders they sent. It would just be too controversial and distracting to focus it on one religion like that.
Scott mentioned in one of his interviews that it was an idea he was considering so it wasn't completely fan fiction.
Lol. That line of dialogue came from a notorious fan script ...
Also, the most logical reason for why Prometheus didn't make much sense is Occam's razor. David lindelof is absolutely incompetent and wrote absolute shite
Oof. This fanfic jeebus idea is even dumber than the real movie script. What a waste of talent, money and time either way.
I guess it employed a lot of art department, cast and crew for a year or two.
@@imasudonemThis piece of information so called fan written is obviously ripping off the Bible one of those oldest scriptures. What happened comes from eye witness. Get it though you’re head fan fiction writers steal from the Bible.
If this moving was telling the truth, the engineers would realize it wasn't our fault for Jesus Christs suffering, but instead the tiny hats.
Indeed, we educated one child with our superior ways and it didn't work - destroy everything.
@@mattivirolainen6102 Rabbit hole get deep tho.
Its crazy that this has 1.7 million views and its just explaining the things the movie tells you and some fake fan head-canon. RUclips sucks man.
I know man. That's the state of the internet today. You can just upload some bullshit but if you do it in a clever way then all the clueless sheep will gladly fall for it and participate in shitting out opinions. All based on a bullshit video.
Jesus vs Predator, make it happen Hollywood 😂
I would win. 😎
@@JesusChristDenton_7 Do you have a blaster canon?
@@jstnsmutek Better. I have a GEP Gun.
@@JesusChristDenton_7 for real dude
Draft kings got Jesus winning -125
They kidnapped an Earth child and taught him to curse fig trees?
"You woke out of a 2000 year sleep and didn't even think to turn the coffee machine on yet?" *Points at the space jockey seat, which is really an engineer version of the espresso machine*
I kno right coffee ☕️ is a must
Most of Ridley's movies has references to biblical themes...so here we have David, Weyland and lastly the Engineers having this God complex to solely create and destroy (very old testament)
That’s why I heavily f#%^ed with Prometheus it was the shit and added lore to the Alien.
@@isaiahclayton3131 I love the movie too but the engineer dialogue never should’ve been cut. If you watch the deleted scenes it makes the movie so much better and makes more sense.
@@jackpackage4278 the engineer dialogue is fanfiction. it was never in any script. the jesus abduction part is neat though.
@@ben66562Bro people rip off the Bible because it’s the biggest truth even this fan fiction could have done the same knowing the truth of human life.
@@ben66562 the actual deleted scenes are on RUclips if you care to look them up and yes there is Engineer dialogue and the scene with the engineer and Elizabeth at the end is much much better too. The engineer dialogue in the DS is not as long as this video shows but he does in fact speak.
I like the detail of the Engineer admiring the chandelier tho. Like "We made them and they made this".
The Black Goo is the most inconsistent thing. It basically does whatever the writer feels like. Symptoms are constipation, sweat, fever, headaches, nausea, oh and possibly breaks down your DNA, or can make a giant facehugger grow inside of you. If pregnant can mutate your child into a strange humanoid xenomorph or whatever else we think of because nobody on this writing staff is on the same page.
You're so close to the rabbit hole 😂
My man may have been asleep for 2000 years but he woke up and went straight to finish the misssion 😂
Even if this script were genuine, which it isn't, I don't see how it would show that the Engineers did "nothing wrong." Wiping out an entire intelligent species because a tiny handful of them killed your emissary makes little sense.
It makes no sense at all.
They probably wanted a very ideal version of humanity like one that was never violent. Maybe this is because the authors are probably boomer hippies that have negative views of humanity so their ideal version of humanity would be very unviolent and see it as that we deserve to be punished for our violent behavior. This type of thinking is very common in the older individuals who have a very negative nihilistic view on humans. So maybe that’s why the authors wrote the engineers that way
It doesn't? How many people hate that emissary today? And continue on to commit all the debaucheries you can possibly think of?
....yeeeaaaaaahhh.
An interstellar-level vodka is a powerful stuff...
"Intelligent" species/...
Because 95% of humanity is not intelligent at all. Humanity literally is devolving into idiocrasy.
So, the reason none of this made sense in the movie is because Scott either cut out, or never shot, the scenes that would have made sense of it.
The Engineers' reasoning is the same as countless super-powered hypocrites in SF. "Oh no, you're a bit violent. So we're going to demonstrate our moral superiority by exterminating you."
If you want to be a god and have your creations be perfect, make them perfect. If you can't or won't make them perfect don't complain that they're imperfect. It's your fault after all.
For anyone with any education in Moral Philosophy this isn't even a very interesting dilemma.
Heh, tell that last part to the god of Abraham.
@@GET0V3RHERE Oh, I've tried, but we had a row when I was a kid and he's been ghosting me ever since.
@@realhorrorshow8547 must mean something…
Eh, are we critiquing the alien or we are critiquing the writing? The writing in that case would seem to be accurate since that's how human beings act too. We *want* to create something better than ourselves, but we can't. That doesn't stop us from trying. You could argue the aliens being as flawed as their creation is intentional. As the Biblical quote goes, man was created in his image.
"Born sick and commanded to be well"
I've watched this movie probably 20 times and it never gets old... I love Prometheus!
They should've made this into its own series or at least 2-3 movies.. Would've been nice.
imagine creating a monkey that's slightly smarter, go into a 2000 year coma and wake up to find those monkeys evolved at your level, oh wait
2000 years ago people were a lot smarter than we are now.... they had to do it the hard way and invent everything and they already had running hot water in Rome via aquaducts.
What you refer to is the early Phaleolithic
roughly 2.5 million years ago to 10,000 B.C.
People nowadays don't know shit about history.
Oh wait. Planet of the Apes. 😁
Not their level, but closer to their level than the time he know us 🤣
No where near the engineers level
@@yeoseotidle2290Anything you give humans, we’ll figure out how it works. Humans are definitely at the engineer’s level intellectually, but not developmentally. If 10,000 trained humans landed on that planet, we’d reverse engineer that tech in a decade.
Good breakdown of the engineer's story, it actually is quite credible, and could be closer to the truth than we comfortably know, they talk of the Ancient Elohim's Anunnaki, the truth is out there.
Indeed there is a lot of truth in these movies weather we choose to see it or not. The power at be definitely know the truth and want us to think this is all a fairytale.
So the Engineer destroys himself w/ the Black Goo to start a complex evolutionary process that takes (?) millions of years and we end up genetically identical to them at the end?
Take off your tinfoil hats
@@Ghostyboydeaddoes this offend you?
Does the thought of Elohim (translation: the gods) frighten you? We have no idea how we got here, but there is tons of evidence of genetic experimentation. Our government has been doing it for decades as well.
I know the engineer is advanced and really strong, but he still looks like a giant baby in a onesie.
"gave you fire"
totally a greek mythology reference where titan prometheus gave humanity fire, as a result he was punished by the gods for his actions
Hence the title of the movie...
The key moment of the movie that should never have been cut. Ridiculous.
They explained the origins of the aliens and ruined the mystery.
Yea I’m surprised Ridley had this cut, the movie would make much more sense if it was left in.
This is fan fiction. This was never going to be in the movie.
@@ben66562well if it wasn’t it should have been, that would have tied up a lot of loose ends.
@@craigthescott5074 "because you killed jesus"? 😕
Jeepers Creepers: "I will drag you like a doll.
Engineer: No more "Every 30 years" for you. 😊✌
so. xenomorphs are demons and the engineer is a pale rider coming to bring the apocalypse
This guy gets it.
Isaiah 14: 12-14
How you have fallen from heaven,
O day star, son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the ground,
O destroyer of nations.
You said in your heart:
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God.
I will sit on the mount of assembly,
in the far reaches of the north.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
I call them sky/space demons.
The Engineers are so badly written. They're meant to be this ultra advanced god-like race but don't have anything to stop a rouge ship from flying to their home world armed with bio weapons? They never created air traffic control towers? Made a bio weapon but never made any sort of cure or contingency plan?
Also after hearing nothing from the ship they sent they do nothing else?
Nor have they automated drone ship without organic buttunpushers and not to mention the damn flute
We haven't seen any homewoeld, but its not explained what this world was or the one in the other movie either. It is quite unclear if there was any lorebook ever made or not to explain it to next guy who needs to make a script. They just make and made stuff as they went along. Its so disappointing that fans come up with these explanations, but reality is not even that they were badly written its more like that they weren't written.
That planet isn't the engineers nor are they engineers. They're like an offshoot creation of them as is humanity.
Says theyre badly written but only has comments about the 1 planet that has a buried ship with an engineer in a pod. what if every single other occupied planet has exactly what you say is missing lol. Nice.
Such an extermination mission would have been monitored. If there had been no returning personnel, it would have indicated serious consequences. No 2000 years delay.
This what I always wondered about. It seems folks on their home planet would've sent someone to see why they disappeared way before 2000 years.
Yet more proof of both bad writing and incredibly lax military practices on the Engineer's part. The fact that a single synth was able to genocide what was left of them also further proves that second point. Pathetic.
There is thousand of things that could have prevented doing anything, or how significant such mission even was for them. Such event could be as insignificant as scientist euthanizing labrats at the end of an experiment.
@@DarkVeghetta Those were not engineers that David killed.
Engineers were engaged in an intergalactic war with the predator species who they didn't create, higher life forms like them.
Epic explanation bud. Love the movies and the depth found 🖖
This dialog "blood of our lord" is from a Fan Edit... Prometheus Orange Draft.... it is not part of the Original Drafts.
There are other Drafts we have never seen released that have Dialog but this dialog has never been released.. a little was shown in the Blu-ray extras (Sacrificial Scene).
The jist of of it is the Engineers had seen the way we had become which displeased them, they saw us a Threat.
When the Engineer sees how Weyland had put his own selfish needs above the others... comes to this place to demand more life....
The Engineer realizes that Mankind are selfish and barbaric still and being able to now traverse the Stars.
We had to be stopped!
That makes sense, also taking the sacrificial nature of their process to create life shows reverence for life and death. So you take Weyland asking for immortality from a species who value life and death would be a huge insult. Then way the engineer looks at David suggests it understands that he is artificial and immortal and again could be seen as abhorrent.
@@GenewormGames when I look at the extended version....
The Engineer to me looked at David with Pitty...... then this turned to Anger towards Weyland as he used Davids Head.
To me i wondered if the Engineer had pitty as the Engineer was similar.. as in a Superior Engineered Sub-Creation to serve a specific Purpose.
The Engineers skin was Glossy and Synthetic looking... like say some Silicone Masks vs Human Skin texture.
When I saw the Engineers in Alien Covenant then this made me think... yeah so i bet the Prometheus Engineers are Genetically Enhanced.
I think that the Offspring from Romulus gives us a Clue that yes... the Z01/Pathogen can Evolve a Human to having Prometheus Engineer look to them..
Surely a refined Process on the Planet 4 guys gives us the Prometheus Engineers.
They made the xeno goo of death long before we took to the stars tho
so the explanation is simpler and right there. Wayland said we are gods, Engineer thought nope we don't tolerate competition.
The original mission was to go to Earth and start Phase II, that's all. Yes would have destroyed us and made us into something else.
Ok so the engineers are like "you guys make violence an dat bad so we are gonna commit complete mass genocide to stop the violence" so profound
"My source is that I made it the F@#& up"
This was an excellent video explanation! Much appreciated.
Great concept! It ties nicely with the idea that Moses was a Predator and parted the Red Sea with a forcefield
No way is Ridley Scott going to shoe horn Jesus into this. He knows what the blow back would be.
How do we know this is even true. Could be some AI making this BS up
The entire RUclips video is based on fake claims and a fake script. Everything is fake these days, and Prometheus is just dumb, no hours of explanation required.
first off: why would it met backlash?
Some people are so cult-like atheists that get this triggered by the most minuscule mention of a name or an event.
second: Religious people should be the ones triggered more. This approach transforms a supernatural being such as God into an easily explainable phenomenon through SCIENCE like an advanced Alien species. It tells you that Jesus was basically indoctrinated but a group of grey guys in a space ship lol.
they saw we became the brain rot skibidi toilet
3:46 wait... jesus christ is canon?
😂😂😂😂
Obviously.
jesus christ!
yep. he even has a cameo in the manga arm of kannon. he controls dragons and is bishounen (i'm serious)
My friends know what movie I’m talking about whenever I say “ ughhh…I Have Questions”.
Why this scene was deleted baffles me. Finding out what the deal was with the Engineers was the whole premise of the film and they're like "yeah let's cut this thirty seconds of plot-critical dialog for time."
It wasn't deleted. The dialogue shown here is from a known fan script. It was never anywhere near the actual production.
Weyland was too arrogant as well. I can relate with the engineer. Cinematography was amazing in these two movies but unfortunately the stupidy of the characters ruined them.
I'm not sure how “god” gets equated with “alien who dissolves in a river”. That's some strange theology there.
Alien who choose to dissolve in a river in order to create life on earth.
In his image is a phrase from the bible I believe.
@@testtest-wt5ho Yes, but this is equating “god” with great*grandparent, which is not at all the biblical model. Words are being used very strangely.
(Also, to pick further nits, there are green land plants visible in the dissolution scene, so this is very late in history and-given that we and plants obviously have common ancestors-the “alien” is probably from earth anyway. But I guess it's traditional for science fiction to ignore the science on this point.)
There are so many myths through the ages about how the universe or life or humans came about, many of them very strange indeed.
1) "God made mankind in his own form", remember?
2) You say "alien who dissolves in river" but it's more "alien PURPOSELY dissolves itself so that it's DNA can produce life on planet Earth", so the notioin of self-sacrifice for a greater good (supposedly) is a key point there.
No. They are just as violent as we are. So that doesn't make any sense. Why would they make something that would cause so much pain if they were peace living beings? This was stupid. No wonder it was left out.
don't bother to understand. who wrote the script was drunk.
Sounds about right.😃
Nice analysis there genius. Conceptually the script is superior to almost everything we get nowadays. The bar is of course pretty low but objectively there is nothing wrong with the theme of prometheus. It's really well developed on that side. Sure it is a bit goofy here and there and does commit the mistake of making some characters seem incompetent and their decisions not justified but that comes from the fact that Alien was originally inspired by Metal Hurlant comics which didnt take itself too seriously and was meant to be a little pulp. Id have preferred a more hard sci-fi version of Prometheus too but to claim it was written by drunks or fools is preposterous and tell me more about the cognitive abilities of those who make such statements
@@NoOne-uh9vu It's not written by fools it's written for fools.
@@NoOne-uh9vuit’s crap
@@NoOne-uh9vu The crew's stupidity is because of that crazy weylands' daughter who put that crappy crew together on purpose. Would have expected a bit more professional crew, true.
0:51 Simple - Because you hate each other.
The most obvious reason
@@locmajor6159 😢
That's just dumb ,pity was in his face not hate ,he looked at him 3.9 seconds
@@kennethborman8842 Not because he hates humans, but humans hate each other.. it went right over your head?
@@locmajor6159we have the same dp lol
I didn’t hate Prometheus but it didn’t belong to the Alien franchise. It could have been fine as a new movie series.
Hou just don't understand the concept, they are trying to explain,how was Xenomorph created.
It did not apear from nowhere,it was semehow created and what was the purpose.
They try to give it a deaper meaning.
But people just want a gore movie with Xenomorph over and over again.
@norbipuhl111 Was already explained well enough by AvP
@@grahamhill676All AVP movies and comics are not cannon, just croossovers
@@mendicantbias2707 I'm aware, but it had a good enough explanation for the Alien backstory...perfect in fact
Watch Prometheus covenant then alien 1
Never mess with someone who you just woke up, and didn’t have their coffee
And why there's an alien mural behind big head?
Who knows
Ridley Scott: “Hell, I don’t know!”
Anti-C
That's why we are alone. Why we never see life. Because they decided to leave us alone to kill each other.
Makes sense 😂
You are in the middle of Totally bullssit and "makes totally sense"
i believe this as well
no planet around or near us support life like ours, if it did we'd prolly fuck that up too
i think we don't see life because they're hiding from us. the "dark forest hypothesis" gives an idea that the universe is teeming with life that is avoiding becoming prey from other life. we are the inquisitive barbaric civilization aliens avoid.
the "dark forest hypothesis" explains this. we are possibly the civilization that other life around the galaxy avoids. violent, inquisitive, self destructive. if you ever played the game spore you know what i mean lol.
I think that Prometheus had really a huge potential... but those movies after this one completely ruined that. What a shame.
👌
Could have saved the whole IP by making a good sequel to Prometheus, explaining things.
In the grand scheme, Covenant made the whole universe extremely disappointing.
1:09 "The Engineer woke up and immediately chose violins."
The engineer : I don’t want your money or your robot. I just want to make life better.😅💢💢💢💢💢💢💢💢💀 0:26
lmfao
@@AlfieStudio ???
Bro was probably thinking "Oh shit, I really need to invest in an alarm clock" 😂
"The Engineers did nothing wrong." Seriously? You really believe that? So you believe g3nocid3 is perfectly fine then, right? Because every group anyone has ever tried to exterminate has had criminals and violence in their society, so obviously ending them all down to the last child was perfectly justified, right?
Also, the entire concept of "wow, these people are pretty violent, let's send ONE person to ONE small corner of this Iron Age planet, with NO technological or logistical support and just ASSUME that he can fix the entire species" makes the Engineers out to be complete morons. Granted, they are already morons for using the xenomorphs as weapons when dropping rocks from orbit would suffice, but still. Not only that, but the entire plan hinges on them KNOWING that what they didn't like about humanity could be fixed by simple education, which makes them come off as not only complete monsters for deciding the entire species needed to end, but lazy ones as well. "Well, we taught one guy, and that didn't magically fix the entire species overnight. Oh well, time to give up and liquidate them all, I guess."
Instead of convincing me that the Engineers did nothing wrong, all you've succeeded in doing with this video is convince me that David was right when he pressed "return to sender" on their bio-weapon in the sequel.
Yes
You're the reason the engineers chose violence 😂
I would love to hear you debate a bible thumper.
So he’s basically the “Beerus” sent to destroy humanity.
There is another explanation as well. The Engineers hate synthetic/artificial life (robots/androids); that's why David was decapitated. Engineers also dislike violence; so, seeing that gaurd hit Elizabeth Shah, he knew these humans were still as violent as ever, so he wanted to kill them. However, when the Engineer ran after Shah, he stumbled into that room with the chandelier, and the video of the girl playing the violin...he saw these "humans" knew about art, music, and had developed an actual culture. Then, you see the Engineer walk up to Shah, and he just STARES at her with those big, puppy-dog eyes. THAT MOMENT was the moment when the Engineer changed his mind about killing Shah and ALL of humanity...but, Shah didn't understand what he was doing, because the Engineer didn't say anything....and, she stands up with the axe and starts attacking him, and he ended up dying because of her actions getting him impregnated by that Tentacled Xenomorph.
Also, Elizabeth Shah AND every one of those crew members were COMPLETE idiots. They didn't do ANYTHING correctly. Watch the movie again and just LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF MISTAKES they all make. And, THAT was supposed to be the best of the best which Wayland could come up with? Pssh! They all got what they deserved just for being stupid...and, they almost got ALL OF HUMANITY killed.
Well remember how stupid characters are in most horror movies. I guess the writers think that makes it more suspenseful.
@@surreal3900 Yeah...there's something called "suspension of disbelief" when we all watch movies. What that means is, "Yes! Of course, we know this is unrealistic/dumb/unbelievable...but, just stop thinking about it, and TRY to enjoy the movie." However, some movies push the limits of the suspension of disbelief to the point in which we simply can't suspend it. This movie did that with how dumb the crew was.
honestly seems like he jumped to conclusions WAY too quickly. like this is such a small sample size to judge ALL humans by, especially after 2000 years
@@GreenTeaGal01 Agreed.
But, look at it through his eyes: Humans KILLED the one human "savior" which the Engineers sent to Earth. Humans were VERY violent back then. And, now the Engineer is awakened by these humans...and, one of them is demanding to be made immortal, because he sees himself as a god. Then, he's being yelled at by another human (Shah). And, another human attacks the one yelling. AND, they brought artificial "life" with them.
NOT a good way to start your day. Maybe, if all the humans just shut-up, and let the Engineer drink his coffee first, after a 2,000 year nap...there wouldn't have been a problem.
We had art and culture 2000 years ago.
4:07 So that's why was all removed, they threw jesus in there and no one wanted it to be a religious movie.
They could've just eluded a Messiah and combine religions to keep it ambiguous. I would've loved to see those scenes make the cut.
No, they just didn’t want people hating jews even more than they already do
It being a religious movie would have hardly been the problem, rather the problem is a certain group in the middle east would've been mightily upset by the implication of the exact text that was uttered.
@@heliosjiee I don't think the Ultra Orthodox being upset by a random American science fiction movie would be a big deal.
This particular group in a certain levantian region of the middle east hanged jesus to the cross. Incidentally, this same group also controls Hollywood.
So relieved that these dialogues were actually deleted. Jesus , Eden....come on !
Yeah....EDEN (Adam, rib surgery maybe, eh) .......Hmmmm, JEE-SUS was really reaching and kinda far fetched. Did NOT relate with me.....glad they left it OUT
If Alien did a crossover with Predator, why not do it with Jesus multiverse? In the end it's all fantasy.
😂 Makes a hellva lot more sense than what they put out
Humans: we have come like you invited
Engineer: there's no fucking way..