To be fair, Lay didn't live in a cave in the woods because he was weird. He lived in a cave in the woods because he didn't want to support slavery and it was basically impossible at the time to participate in capitalism without supporting slavery, so he decided that the only way to completely remove himself from that system was to live a lifestyle that was completely self sufficient. If he built a house, he would have needed to make sure no log was cut and no nail was mined by a slave so he lived in a cave instead. I'm 100% sure you are already aware of all of this and that was intended to be tongue in cheek, but I wanted to clarify for any in the audience who may not be aware. Also, an episode on Benjamin Lay would be insanely awesome.
Reminds me of radical anticapitalist sentiments today: "There is no ethical consumption under capitalism" is a sometwhat common expression in far left circles
@@jasonkinzie8835 oh yeah. He was definitely weird when it came to the lengths he was willing to go to challenge the institution of slavery, but everything weird he did was tied to that. He used to stand out preaching in the snow in tattered clothes with no shoes on and then, if people asked about his health, ask if they had any slaves that worked in this condition. He burst into a church once in a military officer's uniform and stabbed a Bible filled with a home made blood pack, causing it to splash fake blood all over the slave owners in attendence. He even kidnapped a kid once to show his slave owning parents what it felt like to have someone just take your kids. So yeah, if you knew the guy, you'd probably think he was a little weird but it was a single minded weirdness that was all about fighting slavery. He was also a dwarf, so that is something weird unconnected to his abolitionism, but I don't think that counts in this context.
@@PlatinumAltaria But: Any debate is completely useless when one side has decided truth is useless and goes strictly by partisan talking points, no matter how dumb and debunked. Not even useless - hurtful even. For multiplying and normalizing those talking points. If you have one candidate constantly claiming "The moon is made of cheese, the sky is red and I´m really the king anyway and need no election" - debating them is rather pointless.
Especially with how mule headed people these days get when it comes to dogma, where they might as well be saying "If YoU dOnT aGrEe WiTh Me On EvErYtHiNg I sAy AnD bEcOmE mY yEs MaN gO dIeEe!!~!" I mean, Atun-Shei's last Checkmate Lincolnites episode, as of my posting this, perfectly captured how much of an uphill - no, up a cliff battle it is to coax someone out of lost cause propaganda, to the point where one has to resort to shouting at them about how the rest of the world mocks how they're stuck in the 18th century. Really, what's the point in reasoning with someone who won't listen to reason?
I love the series idea. I have a favorite quote from Jon Stewart (paraphrased) - 'People always talk about "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice." The thing is, it doesn't bend towards justice by gravity. You have to bend it, and there are a bunch of people trying to bend it back.'
"His mother got in legal hotwater for teaching her kids how to read and write" Ah yes, the terrifying crime of teaching literacy to children.... Truly a just system :p
Well to be frank if your system is designed to subjucate someone then it is best to make sure that the subjucated ones don't understand that they are in chains.
@@Pikkabuu If I recall correctly, black people were encouraged to read at first, so they could read the Bible and all the parts about God approving slavery. The masters started to forbid litteracy to slaves after the Haitian revolt, because they were afraid the slaves would learn about the fact that a slave revolt succeeded ^^
@@krankarvolund7771 5% of the enslaved population knew how to read. That is not many at all. At it's hight 10% of slaves knew how to read. Which baffles me. Why not use that to run????
@@MamaKatt When exactly? I think it varied with time, black people were enslaved for 200 years after all 😅 How do you use reading to run? XD I mean it's a plus, but it's not exactly foolproof... And of course enslaved people tried to run often, that's why Southern States insisted to be able to pursue them even in the North (the compromise that forced northern citizen to turn fleeing slaves to authorities is considered a huge stepping stone towards the American Civil War), but most slaves thought that fleeing was more risky than staying. It's also why there was so little slave revolts and why so many failed, humans have a strong survival instinct that guide them to prefer a life of servitude to risking their life for freedom.
"Radical abolitionism", contrary to what Prager U might think, is always a good thing. Being against slavery should be a moral standard for all humans, and risking your life to fight against it in any way you can when the institution surrounds you completely might make you "radical" but it also makes you more right than nearly anybody else in your time.
Exactly. It sickens me that Dennis prager's bullshit has moved beyond being pushed by youtube, but is now part of school curriculum in some places (atleast Florida, and here in my home state of Oklahoma). Their shit is revisionist at its "best", and outright ahistorical at its worst. It's up to those of us who have actually educated ourselves on history, and have the moral integrity to call bullshit bullshit to fight against the spread of these vile lies.
It's funny how people who say that we should own weapons to defend ourselves from tyranical government, found people using those same weapons, or even less harmful methods to defend themselves from the tyranny of slavery too radical and too violent. So, a violent war against another country is fine to not pay unjust taxes, but shooting some guys to liberate slaves, that's too far? What a double-standard XD
This was fascinating, not just because I’m from Pittsburgh, but also because of how complex this man was as well as his complicated relationship with Douglas. A couple of years ago I remember seeing a life-size statue of Delany at the Heinz History center in Pittsburgh along with other exhibits outlining the city’s involvement in the underground railroad and the abolitionist movement. Looking forward to other episodes in this series and as always, thanks for producing thought-provoking content like this!
"Self-liberated black people" is an awesome term. It manages to be more politically correct than "escaped slaves," while somehow sounding even more badass.
One of my favorite Black figures in American history was Charles Young, a Buffalo Soldier with the 10th Cavalry, who was the first Black officer (with the rank of lieutenant) to command a large unit the US Army. Fascinating person, and a mentor to many future Black military officers. He was a National Park superintendent, military adviser, and was recently posthumously promoted to Brigadier General.
Holy shit you’re almost underselling how awesome this dude was. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Young_(United_States_Army_officer) Heres his wiki article for anyone interested. Charles Young achieved a lot of firsts. He also interacted with a lot of really interesting people including being tutored by the guy who designed the Panama Canal. Man put up with a lot of shit at West Point and deserves recognition for all he did.
@@akrinornoname2769Buffalo soldier was the nickname for the first peacetime black Calvary units in the American west. It eventually came to apply to any black regiment in the military, before integration Not from the city of Buffalo.
As much as I understand your comment at the beginning about how this kind of content may not be for everyone, I think you do yourself and your work a disservice with such critique. I grew up very conservative and, let be honest, quite racist too. But it’s been content like yours that has made educating and bettering myself possible. Please don’t sell the good work you do short. It really does make a difference changing minds and bettering hearts.
It's nice to hear that this isn't just preaching to (and admittedly educating) the choir, but that people can actually get their mind changed about this stuff by content like this. Makes me hopeful for the future.
For a time, I actually bought into the lost cause myth. Learning that one of my ancestors was in the army of the Union was the spark that started me rethinking, Atun-Shei's videos were what helped me put that phase to sleep.
I get where you're coming from here. Southern Baptist, bible belt, Walton and Johnson in the am, o'reilly every night at 8pm kinda upbringing for me; brought around to being an SJW by a whole confluence of factors including people discussing history & politics in a way I'd never heard. But, I think the disclaimer was less for those who are/were willing to listen and more for the "tell me about war history" bros who whine & complain anytime a history-tuber puts out content exposing the difficult history.
This is going to be a strange comment, but thank you for getting a black voice actor to read the speeches. It brings it to life and drives the points home in a way the video otherwise wouldn't.
There is too much misinformation around slavery... I really appreciate channels like this right now. Seriously, thank you so much for what you're doing here.
Hearing F.D. made me think I had accidentally started two videos at the same time. Awesome to see this crossover, and looking forward to hearing about more abolitionists!
@@Sasquach1312Why? Maybe they don't like how FD and his friend group treated Shark3ozero(and other black creators) when they disagree with them. Maybe he doesn't care for his basic coulourist analysis of everything. Please, tell me you aren't saying that someone who was gonna watch an abolitionist video is "sus" because they don't love all black people. You watch all of Candace Owens video? ;)
Having studied mid-century American black nationalism, I think "moderation" and Black nationalism go hand in hand a lot more often than people would like to think. In many ways, Black nationalism is a concession to the powers that be, a retrenchment in terms of what can be aimed for. Rather than attempting to contest for power and redistribute that power, Black nationalism often promotes a sort of "self-strengthening," which is ironically a lot less threatening to the establishment than calling for integration (and, what must come with integration, redistribution). Famously, people like Roy Innis ended up backing Richard Nixon and libertarian economic policies, and Ahmed Evans was actually receiving municipal funds before the Cleveland shootings. There's a reason why the BPP turned away from Black nationalism, and had such vicious fights with it, and a reason why it was frequently Black nationalist groups who volunteered their services to the establishment to restore order during uprisings. As it turns out, the ruling class is actually fairly amenable to allowing Black communities to "govern themselves" - or rather, for a selected class of Black compradors to govern.
My interest in history is what led me to my beliefs about social justice and liberation movements in the first place. Rigorous historical content like yours is so important to understanding the context of today's world. Its so easy to watch short, snappy, mythologized historical content and be misled about the past. The work you do is very important. Thanks.
I thought I was pretty forward-thinking on race and slavery until I watched the anime Vinland Saga. After a few episodes, I had a novel feeling of how terrible slavery is. But why should I have that reaction, when I had believed slavery was terrible my entire life? Then I realized - it was because I’d never seen the presentation of slavery of white people (or, people who’d be characterized as white today). Somehow, thinking of slavery just as something terrible that happened to black people was different for me, of which I am trying to remedy (thank you Vinland Saga).
And it's so weird because we literally have audio recordings of former slaves documenting their treatment. Some of the places they lived are still intact, and the practices surrounding them are well documented. There's no wiggle room in how barbarous it was, and anyone trying to even imply otherwise can immediately be taken as a bad actor
For the record, not counting slaves' opinions regarding their slavery is like taking a vote about throwing someone into a volcano, and then letting everyone but that person have a say in whether or not they get thrown into a volcano.
Always my view when someone say columbus or another awful historical figure was a product of his time and that people thought such actions were acceptable. Their victims were people of their time as well, and it's so transparent how that just doesn't occur to a lot of people.
It’s worse, I think. At least the condemned victims to the volcano don’t count as three fifths of a person towards the people voting for their sacrifice.
I always love hearing FDSignifier on well-researched videos; while I often have quibbles with his personal investigative rigour, his presentation style and capabilities are some of the best on RUclips, hands down.
Great idea for a series! Delany sure was a fascinating figure, and I love the level of nuance you presented him with. I think you could consider covering Tadeusz Kościuszko. Most Americans (if they heard about him at all) probably know him as some Polish volunteer with a weird name, who did some engineering work during the American Revolution, but he was much more than that! He was a decisive abolitionist, and was generally very progressive for his times. I think you might be interested in the topic of his friendship with Agrippa Hull, and the question of his unrealized Will, which provides great opportunity to highlight Jefferson's hypocrisy. And of course, Kościuszko did a lot of interesting things back in his homeland, struggling to keep it from being dismembered by three neighboring empires (chiefly the Russian one) *and* to end serfdom. Finally, while Polish-speaking and considered the quintessential Polish national hero, he was actually born and raised in the Lithuanian part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, in what is now Belarus, and many Lithuanias and Belarusians also consider him their hero, especially the Belarusians who are fighting against an oppressive dictatorship in their country right now.
@@Planet.Xplor3r You mean Lenin? Nah, I'd say he was a different kind of horrible tyrant. Also, he technically didn't have anything to do with overthrowing tsardom itself, wasn't even in Russia at the time. There were two revolutions in Russia in 1917, the first forced Nicholas II to abdicate, Lenin and bolsheviks led the second. BTW for a very in-depth (and from different points of view) coverage of the Russian Revolutions, I recommend the final season of Mike Duncan's the Revolutions podcast.
@@Artur_M. I read nothing there that makes me change my mind to think that either Lenin or Stalin were tyrants. I have read about Lenin's second revolution, and tbh, it was necessary. I'm not going to negotiate with an inbred hereditary monarch after we literally won a revolution. Also, the killing of the entire family was not even ordered by either of them, but a local act done by the commander of the garrison.
@@lucasfragoso7634 I heard the red army advance on Warsaw was actually in response to Poland invading Ukraine trying to take advantage of the civil war to secure themselves some real estate (with Western backing). Apparently, the red army's failure before Warsaw was blamed on Stalin. He had disobeyed orders and join the main thrust, focusing his forces instead on trying to take Lvov.
Great episode! If I may make a suggestion for a topic in the series, a very underrated figure in the civil rights movement is Charles Hamilton Houston. He laid a ton of important ground work for the civil rights movement in the 20th century but remains a relatively unsung hero.
I am far from a blue haired SJW, but I enjoy learning about how we got where we are. I am looking forward to more episodes in this series. As always your production value is of the highest quality. Thank you for your excellent content
I would absolutely love to see the life and times of Big Bill Haywood. Was an absolute hell of a guy. A one eyed giant, he was beat down in the mines and boomtowns of the West, then embraced a radical and utopian vision for American society and chased the elusive “One Big Industrial Union” that would lead to the commonwealth and salvation for all. That journey eventually led to the destruction of his movement (the Wobblies) in the First Red Scare and a depressing last decade away from his family and friends where, isolated and alone, he drank himself into an early death in exile in Soviet Russia - a place familiar with dashed utopias. For how relevant/famous he was in his day, he really doesn’t have that much written on or about him after his memory began to fade in the 1930s and 1940s. If you’re covering the radicals and utopians in history, especially lesser known ones, I think the guy deserves some spotlight.
This story is deeply fascinating because throughout Delaney's many phases, I find myself sympathizing with what he might have been feeling at each point, something you don't usually get in a historical narrative. I don't think I agree with any of his phases, whether it be the class collaborationist phases or his proto-Hotep phase. Still, I can only sympathize with his evident anger and frustration with the system, but also his hope that it could somehow magically do better. Also, I think it's very appropriate that FD Signifier is the one lending his voice to Delaney, especially during the Hotep parts.
Great first installment. It really illuminates the complexity of the abolitionist movement, as well as of the political and social realities in which it developed. A further complexity. While Douglas differed with Delaney over adherence to the Garrisonian line, he himself eventually broke with Garrison over the character of the Constitution and moved into the camp of the political abolitionists who held an opposing view. Looking forward to further videos!
In the state of Maine, one of the precious few documented first-hand account of abolitionists harboring escaped enslaved people is one of my Quaker relatives. I have a copy of a 1920s news article detailing the story, it's one of my most cherished possessions. The journalist interviews an elderly Phoebe Pope as she recalls being a child watching her parents provide shelter and help a fifteen-year-old enslaved boy as he reached the final stretch before getting to Canada. The boy was absolutely terrified with the prospect of being captured by the man who kept him as a slave for all those years, especially after having made it so far. Phoebe never had children, so her and her parents story lives through the rest of the family. I go to her grave once in a blue moon, she's buried next to my 4x great-grandparents who would have been her Uncle and Aunt. I can only assume they were closed. When they did the interview with Phoebe in the 1920s, now a woman in her 80s, they asked to take a photo of her. She took off her shoes to walk in the grass because she didn't want to get them dirty. Haha.
I'm down for this new series! It's great to have all the research done for decades about black people during the 1800s and the abolitionist movement be popularized (for lack of a better term) to the wider public thanks to channels like yours! PS: I'm not blue-haired (the one time I tried to dye my hair was at a school fair, it was red and I had an unpleasant allergic reaction), but I'm very much interested in becoming a better SJW to annoy bigots.
Well... Delaney wasn't exactly the brightest guy. Moving to Africa would've been a dumb idea for African-Americans because they wouldn't have been welcome there either.
You seem like a unhappy troll obsessed with this channel yet ignorant and angry about it. Imagine thinking a rando like you thinks he is smarter than Delaney. When your biggest worry is how to wipe the Cheetos dust off your sad sack, you're not one to judge someone like him. @@jeffreygao3956
Would be interesting to perhaps see you cover the Black Panther Party and Fred Hampton in particular. Many people know of their name but are ignorant of the things they actually did.
Would love for you to cover Henry Berry Lowry, 1860s Anti-Confederate Partisan and Lumbee Indian who fought a guerrilla campaign against the Confederacy in the Swamps of Eastern North Carolina. Formed the Lowry Gang a haven for renegade Indians, Confederate Draft Dodgers, and escaped slaves. Into the 1870s he began a new war, targeting the KKK who had begun to target members of his tribe during reconstruction.
@@TuorTheBlessedOfUlmo No, he means all these far right channels using robbing stores as a reason to hate on black people to say see, we shouldn't have given them rights. But you knew that, because there's not even a hot topic of black people saying they were egyptians, but there are black egyptians too.
@@TuorTheBlessedOfUlmothat’s a conflation … those guys who scream they were kangs are idiots … I mean the slavery isn’t that bad and we aren’t the only ones that did it ( which is true but noones saying that ) and measuring skulls and labeling all black culture as glorifying rap and violence but wanting others to see the difference between regular whites and racists …, then saying stop race baiting while that sometime is try sine blacks do that but also some whites say that to anything that makes their race look bad .
I am very excited to see this series. Good job lad! If I may suggest a topic for another video in this series, i'd recommend the life and times of Tom Mann, the scary Syndicalist of Britain/Australia who led the 1911 Liverpool Transport Strike.
Our country would do well to have more celebration of the Union and anti-slavery sides of the Civil War, where a wide coalition of people banded together to protect their country from monsters.
Your channel gets better every year. It started with your regular videos and sketches. Then frozen 50s man. And now this. Its such a beautiful evolution of content.
Thanks, I think I'm going to like this series more than your other stuff. That line about radicals who are ahead of our time being weirdos; I needed to be reminded of that
Thanks for this new series. Even people who do the right things in history are human and have their own failings . The first episode was great . THANKS AGAIN 👍
John Brown. John Brown. John Brown. I never even heard of the man until it was mentioned as nearly a footnote to Harper’s ferry. Abolitionists as a generality are not given vignettes in the southern education system. (I wonder why?)
Oh god yes. The crossover is happening. Hearing Fiqs voice is great. This is the only aspect of the parasocial relationship i engage with, my favorite creators and voices in there own spaces coming together. Idc who reached out to who, im just glad even the possibility of yall working on something together exists, even with your wildly different content styles
Such a high-quality production. Thank you. I did not expect to find this. I am a great-great grandson of the Rev. Lewis Woodson, who is mentioned in the video as Delany's teacher. After reaching Pittsburgh Delany also came in contact with John B. Vashon and lived with Vashon for a while. Both Woodson and Vashon were abolitionists and were almost joined at the hip as activists. There was a lot of unity among abolitionists, but also occasional ruptures. Delany split with Douglass and Douglass split with Garrison. I have learned of only one encounter between my gg grandfather and Douglass, and it started off poorly. Douglass was traveling in a westward direction and when he got to Ohio Douglass made it known by way of an Ohioan newspaper that he was treated poorly by my gg grandfather, Woodson. Douglass likened Woodson to "Judas Iscariot" I attributed this to the prospect that my gg grandfather did not embrace Garrisonianism. However, if Woodson knew of tension between Delany and Douglass, then there may have been some decidedly personal aspects of this as well. Tens of thousands of black Americans transitioned from slavery to the 'free colored' status to a post-slavery world in one lifetime. It was a lot to handle. It forced people into new self-identities. Knowing a bit of Delany's history, I was not surprised to see the quote where he tried to distance himself from religion. I think that Du Bois had the same struggle. Du Bois's rhetoric at times put religion in an inferior place but both of the women he married had attended Wilberforce Univ. - I think both graduated from WU, where Du Bois taught for a time. Delany was buried in the closest cemetery to the WU campus. WU was founded by Methodists. Rev. Lewis Woodson was a founder of WU. When the African Methodist Episcopal (A.M.E.) church took over, WU became the first college or university controlled by black Americans. So, as much as Delany was or is branded as a radical, he never was disassociated with church. The education that Delany's mother provided was extended by an A.M.E. minister and Delany was buried very close to the university that the same minister founded. The church has always been the rock at the center of black American uplift. The rhetoric of radicals like Delany put the church down at times, but they virtually always came back to the rock.
ATUN SHEI Concerning the 1381 revolt, if you havent then Charles Oman's 1905 book on it is essential reading. I live in Coventry where John Ball (radical priest who co-led the revolt) was imprisoned after. I visit his cell regularly. Coventry also had a bit of a radical problem, theres records of at least 2 times when the Mayor of Coventry was pelted with stale bread by peasants who were fed up with shitty diets I eagerly and patiently await that episode you beautiful man
Atun Shei, thank you for your efforts to bring together different groups. I recently went through a mini crisis when I watched an older video of yours and disagreed with some points, and I panicked about still watching my favorite RUclipsr even when we disagreed. But I realized that, like you said, no one is infallible and we all have different interests and perspectives. I love your content and I feel welcomed here, even when I am hesitant on a couple of things. You achieve your objectives extraordinarily well. 💚
@@Frommerman Basically, we disagree on the implications of the consumption of animal products in different societies, whether eating meat and other animal products represents a form of imperialism or not. I mistakenly fell back on old tropes about vegans, which was wrong to do, but I am uncomfortable with the insinuation that all cultures should adapt to predominately Western standards of food morality. It is a complicated issue, that I don't have an answer to. At the time, I engaged with Atun Shei and he criticized errors I made in my original argument. I suppose that I have a pathological fear of disappointing people, so I struggled emotionally to figure out what to do. It sounds silly in retrospect, but I am glad that I am doing better and that I can enjoy Atun Shei's amazing videos.
Hearing FD Signifiers voice made me so happy! I love both of you, and the collaboration makes sense when I think about it, but it was definitely an unexpected surprise! I'd love to see more in the future
I think it's beautiful that in that one Checkmate Lincolnites episode you had the one question that went "also I have to ask are you an anarcho-syndicalist?" and you understandably went "I don't know what that is so no?" and now you have an antifascist poster on your (fake?) wall made by actual historical anarcho-syndicalists. Just thought it was pretty funny. Hope the best for you man.
I don't know if you would've already come across Kellie Carter Jackson's Force and Freedom: Black Abolitionists and the Politics of Violence (2019) in your research, but if not you should definitely check it out. Jackson is a wonderful historian, and the book is a really insightful analysis of attitudes towards the use of force within the abolition movement that centers on Black abolitionists and accounts for the ways that Black abolitionists impacted the shape of the abolition movement as a whole. Definitely worth the read!
Welp, call me excited for this series. I'm glad to see you collaborating with folks as well. FD is fantastic and I find his content to be very insightful. Thanks for fighting the good fight man ❤
Nah, FD is too much of a colourist for my tastes. In one of his videos he stated that as a teacher he had no idea how to connect with a boy because the kid was white. Also, did you see how his "friend group" treated Shark3ro?
@@Toanleigh lol what? Dude are you out here picking fights on old RUclips comments? Fuck out of here. FD is a gem. Who cares if he said something about Shark. Sharks a react streamer he has L takes ALL. THE. TIME. FD makes good videos that really help to us understand the black community better so we can stop being such a white left. So what are you even doing here? Colourist? What? Dude make it make sense.
Fdsignifire and you ought to do some full collaborations i was so happy to hear the man's voice pop up. Glad to see two authentic voices hanging out togethe!
It took me too damn long to recognize FDSignifire's voice. I am looking forward to future videos about abolitionists and activists fighting for change and equality. Is there potential for a video about James Baldwin in the future or far future?
This was an excellent video and very informative as always Atun-Shei. As someone who isn't American, I didnt know much about Delany prior to this. I found this extremely well presented and expanded my knowledge of Black American history. You've made me wish to read Delany's own writings myself. Thank you.
I love your chanel. I always was a very good history school kid, and always looking critical at (glory) worldwide history and actually times my life till today. We can learn so much for today in history. You do a very good job. Thank you so much. Greetings from a small village in northwestern Germany. P.S. Your Nazi captured home parody is genial.
As much as you felt like this series is coming from a place of respect, admiration, or agreement with the people presented in it, if this episode is the standard for the rest of them, I believe it's going to be great for anyone with a genuine interest in history, in any of its forms. I'm not a revolutionary, or an activist, but learning about how people thought and felt about the injustices of their time is as fulfilling as committing the tactics of Gettysburg to memory, probably even more. As long as the videos don't devolve into justifying heinous acts because of the ideal they happened for, I'm on board.
great video. Though it is pretty sad to think that people are trying to take cheap potshots at Atun's videos to grow their own pseudo history channels.
Are you ever going to continue from the end of checkmate Lincolnites it ended on a cliffhanger with Johnny Reb and Billy Yank splitting up and Klaus Resurrecting the Confederates please just make one more episode to provide closure
I think one issue is that he pretty much covered all the major claims made by Neo-Confederate types: "the Civil War wasn't about slavery," "the North started it," "Union Army troops were rapacious mass murderers," "black people fought for the Confederacy too," "Robert E. Lee was the best general ever," "Lincoln was the *real* racist unlike these gentlemen who justified owning black people as property." That being said, there's definitely still subjects he could talk about (e.g. white Southerners who opposed the Confederacy, detailed in books like David Williams' "Bitterly Divided: The South's Inner Civil War.")
This is a very welcome new serries, and I am very happy to see it. Is there any chance of an episode on black and LGBT activist “The Queen of Drag” William Dorsey Swann?
I can't imagine that Delay's black colony would have resulted in anything but softcore imperialism, much as it did in Liberia. With the American settlers being resented by locals and eventually chased out during decolonization.
great vid as usual atun but regarding your off hand tidbit regarding revolutions and the Bolsheviks, please read black shirts and reds by Parenti, or literally anything done by Anna Louise Strong
He is right in that Stowe had no real way to speak as accurately about he struggles of the black race as a member of said race could, but disgustingly, more people would be willing to listen to her, in a similar way to why more people would be willing to listen to John Brown than to Stowe herself. I went to 19 schools growing up, and one of my favorites was named after Stowe, so I've always been very interested in her since elementary school.
Another example of this is Hinton Rowan Helper, a white Southerner who argued that slavery hurt the interests of the vast majority of white people in the slave states. Republicans and Abolitionists eagerly cited his "Impending Crisis of the South" when conducting anti-slavery agitation, since being a white Southerner who had no interest in "negrophilia" (as sympathy for slaves was derisively called) gave him more credibility among white Northerners.
Hearing FD Signifier's voice in this vid was a pleasant surprise, really hoping you guys do some more collaboration in the future! Especially for this series.
To be fair, Lay didn't live in a cave in the woods because he was weird. He lived in a cave in the woods because he didn't want to support slavery and it was basically impossible at the time to participate in capitalism without supporting slavery, so he decided that the only way to completely remove himself from that system was to live a lifestyle that was completely self sufficient. If he built a house, he would have needed to make sure no log was cut and no nail was mined by a slave so he lived in a cave instead. I'm 100% sure you are already aware of all of this and that was intended to be tongue in cheek, but I wanted to clarify for any in the audience who may not be aware. Also, an episode on Benjamin Lay would be insanely awesome.
Omg that’s so cool
Reminds me of radical anticapitalist sentiments today: "There is no ethical consumption under capitalism" is a sometwhat common expression in far left circles
So he wasn't weird. Just much more ethical then most people. Good for him! But for the sake of full disclosure I'm just not willing to live in a cave.
@@jasonkinzie8835 oh yeah. He was definitely weird when it came to the lengths he was willing to go to challenge the institution of slavery, but everything weird he did was tied to that. He used to stand out preaching in the snow in tattered clothes with no shoes on and then, if people asked about his health, ask if they had any slaves that worked in this condition. He burst into a church once in a military officer's uniform and stabbed a Bible filled with a home made blood pack, causing it to splash fake blood all over the slave owners in attendence. He even kidnapped a kid once to show his slave owning parents what it felt like to have someone just take your kids. So yeah, if you knew the guy, you'd probably think he was a little weird but it was a single minded weirdness that was all about fighting slavery. He was also a dwarf, so that is something weird unconnected to his abolitionism, but I don't think that counts in this context.
@@achristiananarchist2509 Lol! Okay he was a weirdo. But definitely an interesting one.
“I don’t debate people John Brown would have shot.” Is how I run my life online now..thank you for this and being awesome!
A debate can only occur when both sides care about finding the truth.
I’ll be taking that quote off you, thanks.
🤔 hmm. Yup.
@@PlatinumAltaria But: Any debate is completely useless when one side has decided truth is useless and goes strictly by partisan talking points, no matter how dumb and debunked.
Not even useless - hurtful even. For multiplying and normalizing those talking points.
If you have one candidate constantly claiming "The moon is made of cheese, the sky is red and I´m really the king anyway and need no election" - debating them is rather pointless.
Especially with how mule headed people these days get when it comes to dogma, where they might as well be saying "If YoU dOnT aGrEe WiTh Me On EvErYtHiNg I sAy AnD bEcOmE mY yEs MaN gO dIeEe!!~!"
I mean, Atun-Shei's last Checkmate Lincolnites episode, as of my posting this, perfectly captured how much of an uphill - no, up a cliff battle it is to coax someone out of lost cause propaganda, to the point where one has to resort to shouting at them about how the rest of the world mocks how they're stuck in the 18th century.
Really, what's the point in reasoning with someone who won't listen to reason?
I love the series idea. I have a favorite quote from Jon Stewart (paraphrased) -
'People always talk about "the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice." The thing is, it doesn't bend towards justice by gravity. You have to bend it, and there are a bunch of people trying to bend it back.'
That's fascinating.
My life would be complete if a John Brown episode came out from this series. It is all I need
Yes. and Yes.
That be dope af.
Was John Brown a terrorist? Checkmate Lincolnites!
Absolutely. Yes. PLEASE.
John Brown was a total badass.
"His mother got in legal hotwater for teaching her kids how to read and write"
Ah yes, the terrifying crime of teaching literacy to children.... Truly a just system :p
Well to be frank if your system is designed to subjucate someone then it is best to make sure that the subjucated ones don't understand that they are in chains.
@@Pikkabuu If I recall correctly, black people were encouraged to read at first, so they could read the Bible and all the parts about God approving slavery. The masters started to forbid litteracy to slaves after the Haitian revolt, because they were afraid the slaves would learn about the fact that a slave revolt succeeded ^^
Toi je te retrouve partout, que ce soit sous les vidéos en français ou en anglais.
@@krankarvolund7771 5% of the enslaved population knew how to read. That is not many at all. At it's hight 10% of slaves knew how to read. Which baffles me. Why not use that to run????
@@MamaKatt When exactly? I think it varied with time, black people were enslaved for 200 years after all 😅
How do you use reading to run? XD
I mean it's a plus, but it's not exactly foolproof... And of course enslaved people tried to run often, that's why Southern States insisted to be able to pursue them even in the North (the compromise that forced northern citizen to turn fleeing slaves to authorities is considered a huge stepping stone towards the American Civil War), but most slaves thought that fleeing was more risky than staying.
It's also why there was so little slave revolts and why so many failed, humans have a strong survival instinct that guide them to prefer a life of servitude to risking their life for freedom.
"Radical abolitionism", contrary to what Prager U might think, is always a good thing. Being against slavery should be a moral standard for all humans, and risking your life to fight against it in any way you can when the institution surrounds you completely might make you "radical" but it also makes you more right than nearly anybody else in your time.
If I recall PragerU's videos on the cause of the American Civil War stated it was entirely the result of Slavery.
Let's go John Brown!
Exactly. It sickens me that Dennis prager's bullshit has moved beyond being pushed by youtube, but is now part of school curriculum in some places (atleast Florida, and here in my home state of Oklahoma). Their shit is revisionist at its "best", and outright ahistorical at its worst. It's up to those of us who have actually educated ourselves on history, and have the moral integrity to call bullshit bullshit to fight against the spread of these vile lies.
@@Rawnblade13
God damn, he was amazing.
It's funny how people who say that we should own weapons to defend ourselves from tyranical government, found people using those same weapons, or even less harmful methods to defend themselves from the tyranny of slavery too radical and too violent.
So, a violent war against another country is fine to not pay unjust taxes, but shooting some guys to liberate slaves, that's too far? What a double-standard XD
This was fascinating, not just because I’m from Pittsburgh, but also because of how complex this man was as well as his complicated relationship with Douglas. A couple of years ago I remember seeing a life-size statue of Delany at the Heinz History center in Pittsburgh along with other exhibits outlining the city’s involvement in the underground railroad and the abolitionist movement. Looking forward to other episodes in this series and as always, thanks for producing thought-provoking content like this!
Yooooo
@@highadmiraljt5853 Yo
"Self-liberated black people" is an awesome term. It manages to be more politically correct than "escaped slaves," while somehow sounding even more badass.
One of my favorite Black figures in American history was Charles Young, a Buffalo Soldier with the 10th Cavalry, who was the first Black officer (with the rank of lieutenant) to command a large unit the US Army. Fascinating person, and a mentor to many future Black military officers. He was a National Park superintendent, military adviser, and was recently posthumously promoted to Brigadier General.
I forgot Buffalo is a US city and kept wondering when the US Army had bison cavalry
Holy shit you’re almost underselling how awesome this dude was.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Young_(United_States_Army_officer)
Heres his wiki article for anyone interested. Charles Young achieved a lot of firsts. He also interacted with a lot of really interesting people including being tutored by the guy who designed the Panama Canal. Man put up with a lot of shit at West Point and deserves recognition for all he did.
@@SailingROX4321 He is one of the most badass figures in American history. I agree, I am majorly underselling this guy.
What a legend
@@akrinornoname2769Buffalo soldier was the nickname for the first peacetime black Calvary units in the American west. It eventually came to apply to any black regiment in the military, before integration Not from the city of Buffalo.
As much as I understand your comment at the beginning about how this kind of content may not be for everyone, I think you do yourself and your work a disservice with such critique. I grew up very conservative and, let be honest, quite racist too. But it’s been content like yours that has made educating and bettering myself possible. Please don’t sell the good work you do short. It really does make a difference changing minds and bettering hearts.
It's nice to hear that this isn't just preaching to (and admittedly educating) the choir, but that people can actually get their mind changed about this stuff by content like this. Makes me hopeful for the future.
@@samrevlej9331 yeah I’m grateful for it. The goal of any activism is to change minds and change lives and this dude rocks at that.
yeah I have to agree with this comment. it's always unnerving to hear the "if you don't agree 100% then shut up" kind of talk
For a time, I actually bought into the lost cause myth. Learning that one of my ancestors was in the army of the Union was the spark that started me rethinking, Atun-Shei's videos were what helped me put that phase to sleep.
I get where you're coming from here. Southern Baptist, bible belt, Walton and Johnson in the am, o'reilly every night at 8pm kinda upbringing for me; brought around to being an SJW by a whole confluence of factors including people discussing history & politics in a way I'd never heard. But, I think the disclaimer was less for those who are/were willing to listen and more for the "tell me about war history" bros who whine & complain anytime a history-tuber puts out content exposing the difficult history.
This is going to be a strange comment, but thank you for getting a black voice actor to read the speeches. It brings it to life and drives the points home in a way the video otherwise wouldn't.
That could've have been Robert Downey Jr. Just kiddin.
@@rasheed7934 underrated movie.
That's FDsignifier. He's got a great channel.
@@grmpEqweer I knew that voice was familiar.
There is too much misinformation around slavery... I really appreciate channels like this right now.
Seriously, thank you so much for what you're doing here.
Hearing F.D. made me think I had accidentally started two videos at the same time. Awesome to see this crossover, and looking forward to hearing about more abolitionists!
As soon as I heard the first words of the quote I was like "wait is that Fiq???" 😅
I love when my RUclips worlds collide. (love your screenname, too )
Fuck he's in the video? Not watching the entire thing then.
@@patrickmcpartland1398 Kinda surprised you're watching a video about an abolitionist then.
@@patrickmcpartland1398 I mean he does like the very first voiceover, so enjoy the intro I guess?
@@Sasquach1312Why?
Maybe they don't like how FD and his friend group treated Shark3ozero(and other black creators) when they disagree with them.
Maybe he doesn't care for his basic coulourist analysis of everything.
Please, tell me you aren't saying that someone who was gonna watch an abolitionist video is "sus" because they don't love all black people.
You watch all of Candace Owens video? ;)
Having studied mid-century American black nationalism, I think "moderation" and Black nationalism go hand in hand a lot more often than people would like to think. In many ways, Black nationalism is a concession to the powers that be, a retrenchment in terms of what can be aimed for. Rather than attempting to contest for power and redistribute that power, Black nationalism often promotes a sort of "self-strengthening," which is ironically a lot less threatening to the establishment than calling for integration (and, what must come with integration, redistribution). Famously, people like Roy Innis ended up backing Richard Nixon and libertarian economic policies, and Ahmed Evans was actually receiving municipal funds before the Cleveland shootings. There's a reason why the BPP turned away from Black nationalism, and had such vicious fights with it, and a reason why it was frequently Black nationalist groups who volunteered their services to the establishment to restore order during uprisings. As it turns out, the ruling class is actually fairly amenable to allowing Black communities to "govern themselves" - or rather, for a selected class of Black compradors to govern.
My interest in history is what led me to my beliefs about social justice and liberation movements in the first place. Rigorous historical content like yours is so important to understanding the context of today's world. Its so easy to watch short, snappy, mythologized historical content and be misled about the past.
The work you do is very important. Thanks.
Gret video, sure to salt the Preger U crowd who still think that saying "They were housed and fed" somehow justifies putting a human being in bondage.
Yes!
Exactly, there is no justification for owning another man, no matter what they think
Ah, Prager University. Does it annoys the Left because it is sometimes wrong or because it harbors REAL debate and diversity of opinions? 😏
I thought I was pretty forward-thinking on race and slavery until I watched the anime Vinland Saga.
After a few episodes, I had a novel feeling of how terrible slavery is. But why should I have that reaction, when I had believed slavery was terrible my entire life? Then I realized - it was because I’d never seen the presentation of slavery of white people (or, people who’d be characterized as white today). Somehow, thinking of slavery just as something terrible that happened to black people was different for me, of which I am trying to remedy (thank you Vinland Saga).
And it's so weird because we literally have audio recordings of former slaves documenting their treatment. Some of the places they lived are still intact, and the practices surrounding them are well documented. There's no wiggle room in how barbarous it was, and anyone trying to even imply otherwise can immediately be taken as a bad actor
These personal stories are much needed. They really bring home the black experience before and after the Civil War.
For the record, not counting slaves' opinions regarding their slavery is like taking a vote about throwing someone into a volcano, and then letting everyone but that person have a say in whether or not they get thrown into a volcano.
Always my view when someone say columbus or another awful historical figure was a product of his time and that people thought such actions were acceptable. Their victims were people of their time as well, and it's so transparent how that just doesn't occur to a lot of people.
It’s worse, I think. At least the condemned victims to the volcano don’t count as three fifths of a person towards the people voting for their sacrifice.
FDsignifire appearance in an Atun Shei video? What an awesome surprise
I always love hearing FDSignifier on well-researched videos; while I often have quibbles with his personal investigative rigour, his presentation style and capabilities are some of the best on RUclips, hands down.
Awesome concept for a video series, and I love hearing FD Signifire contributing
Great idea for a series! Delany sure was a fascinating figure, and I love the level of nuance you presented him with.
I think you could consider covering Tadeusz Kościuszko. Most Americans (if they heard about him at all) probably know him as some Polish volunteer with a weird name, who did some engineering work during the American Revolution, but he was much more than that! He was a decisive abolitionist, and was generally very progressive for his times. I think you might be interested in the topic of his friendship with Agrippa Hull, and the question of his unrealized Will, which provides great opportunity to highlight Jefferson's hypocrisy.
And of course, Kościuszko did a lot of interesting things back in his homeland, struggling to keep it from being dismembered by three neighboring empires (chiefly the Russian one) *and* to end serfdom.
Finally, while Polish-speaking and considered the quintessential Polish national hero, he was actually born and raised in the Lithuanian part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, in what is now Belarus, and many Lithuanias and Belarusians also consider him their hero, especially the Belarusians who are fighting against an oppressive dictatorship in their country right now.
Man I hate the Russian empire and the tsardom. Lemon really straightened the place out
@@Planet.Xplor3r You mean Lenin? Nah, I'd say he was a different kind of horrible tyrant. Also, he technically didn't have anything to do with overthrowing tsardom itself, wasn't even in Russia at the time. There were two revolutions in Russia in 1917, the first forced Nicholas II to abdicate, Lenin and bolsheviks led the second.
BTW for a very in-depth (and from different points of view) coverage of the Russian Revolutions, I recommend the final season of Mike Duncan's the Revolutions podcast.
@@Artur_M. I read nothing there that makes me change my mind to think that either Lenin or Stalin were tyrants. I have read about Lenin's second revolution, and tbh, it was necessary. I'm not going to negotiate with an inbred hereditary monarch after we literally won a revolution. Also, the killing of the entire family was not even ordered by either of them, but a local act done by the commander of the garrison.
@@Planet.Xplor3rfun fact lennin also tried to kill Poland. Emphasis on the tried the Soviets got there asses handed to them
@@lucasfragoso7634 I heard the red army advance on Warsaw was actually in response to Poland invading Ukraine trying to take advantage of the civil war to secure themselves some real estate (with Western backing).
Apparently, the red army's failure before Warsaw was blamed on Stalin. He had disobeyed orders and join the main thrust, focusing his forces instead on trying to take Lvov.
Great episode! If I may make a suggestion for a topic in the series, a very underrated figure in the civil rights movement is Charles Hamilton Houston. He laid a ton of important ground work for the civil rights movement in the 20th century but remains a relatively unsung hero.
The comment sections to these videos are gonna be glorious.
Please continue this series. Very interesting.
I am far from a blue haired SJW, but I enjoy learning about how we got where we are. I am looking forward to more episodes in this series. As always your production value is of the highest quality. Thank you for your excellent content
I would absolutely love to see the life and times of Big Bill Haywood. Was an absolute hell of a guy. A one eyed giant, he was beat down in the mines and boomtowns of the West, then embraced a radical and utopian vision for American society and chased the elusive “One Big Industrial Union” that would lead to the commonwealth and salvation for all. That journey eventually led to the destruction of his movement (the Wobblies) in the First Red Scare and a depressing last decade away from his family and friends where, isolated and alone, he drank himself into an early death in exile in Soviet Russia - a place familiar with dashed utopias. For how relevant/famous he was in his day, he really doesn’t have that much written on or about him after his memory began to fade in the 1930s and 1940s. If you’re covering the radicals and utopians in history, especially lesser known ones, I think the guy deserves some spotlight.
Jesus christ this is brilliant, please continue the series. Its truly captivating.
"I hope this can support and inform your activism"
I truly appreciate this, and you truly have with past videos. Thank you!
Captivating idea for a series, can't wait for more
You're here??
@@dorkle9085 I am literally under your bed as we speak. Your room is compromised.
This story is deeply fascinating because throughout Delaney's many phases, I find myself sympathizing with what he might have been feeling at each point, something you don't usually get in a historical narrative.
I don't think I agree with any of his phases, whether it be the class collaborationist phases or his proto-Hotep phase. Still, I can only sympathize with his evident anger and frustration with the system, but also his hope that it could somehow magically do better.
Also, I think it's very appropriate that FD Signifier is the one lending his voice to Delaney, especially during the Hotep parts.
Great first installment. It really illuminates the complexity of the abolitionist movement, as well as of the political and social realities in which it developed. A further complexity. While Douglas differed with Delaney over adherence to the Garrisonian line, he himself eventually broke with Garrison over the character of the Constitution and moved into the camp of the political abolitionists who held an opposing view.
Looking forward to further videos!
A new Atun Shei Films upload, that makes my day 😊
A quote I always remember about someone describing Vladimir Lenin was "He was a ruthless pragmatist." When speaking about his tactical approach.
In the state of Maine, one of the precious few documented first-hand account of abolitionists harboring escaped enslaved people is one of my Quaker relatives. I have a copy of a 1920s news article detailing the story, it's one of my most cherished possessions.
The journalist interviews an elderly Phoebe Pope as she recalls being a child watching her parents provide shelter and help a fifteen-year-old enslaved boy as he reached the final stretch before getting to Canada. The boy was absolutely terrified with the prospect of being captured by the man who kept him as a slave for all those years, especially after having made it so far.
Phoebe never had children, so her and her parents story lives through the rest of the family. I go to her grave once in a blue moon, she's buried next to my 4x great-grandparents who would have been her Uncle and Aunt. I can only assume they were closed.
When they did the interview with Phoebe in the 1920s, now a woman in her 80s, they asked to take a photo of her. She took off her shoes to walk in the grass because she didn't want to get them dirty. Haha.
I'm down for this new series! It's great to have all the research done for decades about black people during the 1800s and the abolitionist movement be popularized (for lack of a better term) to the wider public thanks to channels like yours!
PS: I'm not blue-haired (the one time I tried to dye my hair was at a school fair, it was red and I had an unpleasant allergic reaction), but I'm very much interested in becoming a better SJW to annoy bigots.
for annoying bigots, I would recommend beginning sentences with "Erm," and "Uhh," and sprinkle "Like" whenever possible into your sentences
@@willfakaroni5808 I like the way you think.
Finally covering someone who isn’t a demon in human skin
Well...
Delaney wasn't exactly the brightest guy. Moving to Africa would've been a dumb idea for African-Americans because they wouldn't have been welcome there either.
You seem like a unhappy troll obsessed with this channel yet ignorant and angry about it. Imagine thinking a rando like you thinks he is smarter than Delaney.
When your biggest worry is how to wipe the Cheetos dust off your sad sack, you're not one to judge someone like him. @@jeffreygao3956
@@jeffreygao3956doesn’t mean he’s a demon for being dim
This series is gonna be awesome, can’t wait for more. Keep up the great work Atun-shei!
This is a very interesting series, and I can't wait to see who the next episode will be about. Awesome job!
yo fuckin' shout out FD for the voice overs. did not expect that while listening.
Would be interesting to perhaps see you cover the Black Panther Party and Fred Hampton in particular. Many people know of their name but are ignorant of the things they actually did.
Loved hearing FD Signifier featured in the video!
Would love for you to cover Henry Berry Lowry, 1860s Anti-Confederate Partisan and Lumbee Indian who fought a guerrilla campaign against the Confederacy in the Swamps of Eastern North Carolina. Formed the Lowry Gang a haven for renegade Indians, Confederate Draft Dodgers, and escaped slaves. Into the 1870s he began a new war, targeting the KKK who had begun to target members of his tribe during reconstruction.
I wasn't familar with him but just read a bit on the Lowry War after seeing your post. Interesting history.
Oh perhaps you could have a go yourself. There is room on podcast World for many a contributor
I see you reached out to FD Signifier for a collaboration, I recognize that voice.
Good ear. His voice stands out doesn't it?
This is exactly what I need in the face of the veritable tidal waves of anti-black racism sweeping over RUclips.
You mean historians telling them they weren't Egyptian?
@@TuorTheBlessedOfUlmo No, he means all these far right channels using robbing stores as a reason to hate on black people to say see, we shouldn't have given them rights. But you knew that, because there's not even a hot topic of black people saying they were egyptians, but there are black egyptians too.
@@TuorTheBlessedOfUlmoyeah, that kind of crap
@@TuorTheBlessedOfUlmothat’s a conflation … those guys who scream they were kangs are idiots … I mean the slavery isn’t that bad and we aren’t the only ones that did it ( which is true but noones saying that ) and measuring skulls and labeling all black culture as glorifying rap and violence but wanting others to see the difference between regular whites and racists …, then saying stop race baiting while that sometime is try sine blacks do that but also some whites say that to anything that makes their race look bad .
@@TuorTheBlessedOfUlmoyou realize the guy who made the video makes this point. How childish.
I am very excited to see this series. Good job lad! If I may suggest a topic for another video in this series, i'd recommend the life and times of Tom Mann, the scary Syndicalist of Britain/Australia who led the 1911 Liverpool Transport Strike.
Great to hear the often untold side of the civil war, which gets so much less attention.
Our country would do well to have more celebration of the Union and anti-slavery sides of the Civil War, where a wide coalition of people banded together to protect their country from monsters.
Your channel gets better every year. It started with your regular videos and sketches. Then frozen 50s man. And now this. Its such a beautiful evolution of content.
Thanks, I think I'm going to like this series more than your other stuff. That line about radicals who are ahead of our time being weirdos; I needed to be reminded of that
Always love seeing a new Atun-shei upload!!
Thanks for this new series.
Even people who do the right things in history are human and have their own failings .
The first episode was great . THANKS AGAIN 👍
I always get so impatient waiting for your videos, then you drop a banger like this that's well worth the wait.
John Brown. John Brown. John Brown. I never even heard of the man until it was mentioned as nearly a footnote to Harper’s ferry. Abolitionists as a generality are not given vignettes in the southern education system. (I wonder why?)
Some say his soul is still marchin' on.
Now politicians aren't even hiding their destruction of history
Because his story is not over yet: we're gonna resurrect him and give him a battle mech to finish the job.
I say we bring him back, break out the necromancers!
Oh god yes. The crossover is happening. Hearing Fiqs voice is great. This is the only aspect of the parasocial relationship i engage with, my favorite creators and voices in there own spaces coming together. Idc who reached out to who, im just glad even the possibility of yall working on something together exists, even with your wildly different content styles
I love when Atun talks history :)
Such a high-quality production. Thank you. I did not expect to find this. I am a great-great grandson of the Rev. Lewis Woodson, who is mentioned in the video as Delany's teacher. After reaching Pittsburgh Delany also came in contact with John B. Vashon and lived with Vashon for a while. Both Woodson and Vashon were abolitionists and were almost joined at the hip as activists.
There was a lot of unity among abolitionists, but also occasional ruptures. Delany split with Douglass and Douglass split with Garrison. I have learned of only one encounter between my gg grandfather and Douglass, and it started off poorly. Douglass was traveling in a westward direction and when he got to Ohio Douglass made it known by way of an Ohioan newspaper that he was treated poorly by my gg grandfather, Woodson. Douglass likened Woodson to "Judas Iscariot" I attributed this to the prospect that my gg grandfather did not embrace Garrisonianism. However, if Woodson knew of tension between Delany and Douglass, then there may have been some decidedly personal aspects of this as well.
Tens of thousands of black Americans transitioned from slavery to the 'free colored' status to a post-slavery world in one lifetime. It was a lot to handle. It forced people into new self-identities. Knowing a bit of Delany's history, I was not surprised to see the quote where he tried to distance himself from religion. I think that Du Bois had the same struggle. Du Bois's rhetoric at times put religion in an inferior place but both of the women he married had attended Wilberforce Univ. - I think both graduated from WU, where Du Bois taught for a time. Delany was buried in the closest cemetery to the WU campus. WU was founded by Methodists. Rev. Lewis Woodson was a founder of WU. When the African Methodist Episcopal (A.M.E.) church took over, WU became the first college or university controlled by black Americans. So, as much as Delany was or is branded as a radical, he never was disassociated with church. The education that Delany's mother provided was extended by an A.M.E. minister and Delany was buried very close to the university that the same minister founded. The church has always been the rock at the center of black American uplift. The rhetoric of radicals like Delany put the church down at times, but they virtually always came back to the rock.
ATUN SHEI Concerning the 1381 revolt, if you havent then Charles Oman's 1905 book on it is essential reading. I live in Coventry where John Ball (radical priest who co-led the revolt) was imprisoned after. I visit his cell regularly. Coventry also had a bit of a radical problem, theres records of at least 2 times when the Mayor of Coventry was pelted with stale bread by peasants who were fed up with shitty diets
I eagerly and patiently await that episode you beautiful man
Pleasantly surprised to hear FD Signifier's voice in this video, always glad to see youtubers collaborate on videos like this.
Atun Shei, thank you for your efforts to bring together different groups. I recently went through a mini crisis when I watched an older video of yours and disagreed with some points, and I panicked about still watching my favorite RUclipsr even when we disagreed. But I realized that, like you said, no one is infallible and we all have different interests and perspectives. I love your content and I feel welcomed here, even when I am hesitant on a couple of things. You achieve your objectives extraordinarily well. 💚
Out of curiosity, what do you disagree with?
@@Frommerman Basically, we disagree on the implications of the consumption of animal products in different societies, whether eating meat and other animal products represents a form of imperialism or not. I mistakenly fell back on old tropes about vegans, which was wrong to do, but I am uncomfortable with the insinuation that all cultures should adapt to predominately Western standards of food morality. It is a complicated issue, that I don't have an answer to. At the time, I engaged with Atun Shei and he criticized errors I made in my original argument. I suppose that I have a pathological fear of disappointing people, so I struggled emotionally to figure out what to do. It sounds silly in retrospect, but I am glad that I am doing better and that I can enjoy Atun Shei's amazing videos.
Hearing FD Signifiers voice made me so happy! I love both of you, and the collaboration makes sense when I think about it, but it was definitely an unexpected surprise! I'd love to see more in the future
I did an auditory double take when I heard FD’s voice 😅 I love the Lefttube collaboration; it feels like little Easter eggs when I peep them! 😊
The second I heard FD Signifier's voice, I knew this would be a next-level video.
I think it's beautiful that in that one Checkmate Lincolnites episode you had the one question that went "also I have to ask are you an anarcho-syndicalist?" and you understandably went "I don't know what that is so no?" and now you have an antifascist poster on your (fake?) wall made by actual historical anarcho-syndicalists.
Just thought it was pretty funny. Hope the best for you man.
Love that you are working with FD and Carl.
I'm here for this series.❤
I don't know if you would've already come across Kellie Carter Jackson's Force and Freedom: Black Abolitionists and the Politics of Violence (2019) in your research, but if not you should definitely check it out. Jackson is a wonderful historian, and the book is a really insightful analysis of attitudes towards the use of force within the abolition movement that centers on Black abolitionists and accounts for the ways that Black abolitionists impacted the shape of the abolition movement as a whole. Definitely worth the read!
I recognize and love the voice of FD Signifier!
Atun shei! Is that an A.I.T poster in the background? Love it man! Didn't expect that but definitely not complaining, keep up the good work!
Welp, call me excited for this series. I'm glad to see you collaborating with folks as well. FD is fantastic and I find his content to be very insightful. Thanks for fighting the good fight man ❤
Nah, FD is too much of a colourist for my tastes.
In one of his videos he stated that as a teacher he had no idea how to connect with a boy because the kid was white.
Also, did you see how his "friend group" treated Shark3ro?
@@Toanleigh lol what? Dude are you out here picking fights on old RUclips comments? Fuck out of here. FD is a gem. Who cares if he said something about Shark. Sharks a react streamer he has L takes ALL. THE. TIME. FD makes good videos that really help to us understand the black community better so we can stop being such a white left. So what are you even doing here? Colourist? What? Dude make it make sense.
Fdsignifire and you ought to do some full collaborations i was so happy to hear the man's voice pop up. Glad to see two authentic voices hanging out togethe!
It took me too damn long to recognize FDSignifire's voice.
I am looking forward to future videos about abolitionists and activists fighting for change and equality.
Is there potential for a video about James Baldwin in the future or far future?
This was an excellent video and very informative as always Atun-Shei. As someone who isn't American, I didnt know much about Delany prior to this. I found this extremely well presented and expanded my knowledge of Black American history. You've made me wish to read Delany's own writings myself. Thank you.
I fucking love the 1381 peasant revolt, I will absolutely flip out if you do a video on anything related to it. Also this video was awesome, thank you
OMFG YESSSSSSSSS
"When Adam delved & Eve span, who was then the gentleman?"
And with this video, my subscriptions to both Atun-Shei and FD are become full circle.
When is the last Checkmate Lincolnites video coming up ? Really wish to see the wrap up to a wonderfully educational series.
I love your chanel. I always was a very good history school kid, and always looking critical at (glory) worldwide history and actually times my life till today. We can learn so much for today in history. You do a very good job. Thank you so much. Greetings from a small village in northwestern Germany. P.S. Your Nazi captured home parody is genial.
As much as you felt like this series is coming from a place of respect, admiration, or agreement with the people presented in it, if this episode is the standard for the rest of them, I believe it's going to be great for anyone with a genuine interest in history, in any of its forms.
I'm not a revolutionary, or an activist, but learning about how people thought and felt about the injustices of their time is as fulfilling as committing the tactics of Gettysburg to memory, probably even more.
As long as the videos don't devolve into justifying heinous acts because of the ideal they happened for, I'm on board.
Let’s go, love the posters in the back too, great touch
He was the trotskyite turned neocon of his day
Glad to see some archetypes never change
As for the Stalinists, they become paleocons
As always, your videos are meticulously researched and a lot of fun to watch.
great video. Though it is pretty sad to think that people are trying to take cheap potshots at Atun's videos to grow their own pseudo history channels.
I don't see how they can hate on him outside the 100K subscriber line, they can't even get in.
I love this so much! Can’t wait to see where this series goes
I want to know more about the green scare and I can’t wait for that video
It's a hell of a story - and it's gonna make your blood boil.
@@AtunSheiFilmsoh I bet it’s going to be nuts and thank you for responding
Yooo, I am pumped for this series! Thanks!
Are you ever going to continue from the end of checkmate Lincolnites it ended on a cliffhanger with Johnny Reb and Billy Yank splitting up and Klaus Resurrecting the Confederates please just make one more episode to provide closure
I think one issue is that he pretty much covered all the major claims made by Neo-Confederate types: "the Civil War wasn't about slavery," "the North started it," "Union Army troops were rapacious mass murderers," "black people fought for the Confederacy too," "Robert E. Lee was the best general ever," "Lincoln was the *real* racist unlike these gentlemen who justified owning black people as property."
That being said, there's definitely still subjects he could talk about (e.g. white Southerners who opposed the Confederacy, detailed in books like David Williams' "Bitterly Divided: The South's Inner Civil War.")
I'm so excited for this series. Really looking forward to the next one!!
We need John Brown today to go visit PragerU and cut down Dennis Prager with a broadsword.
Good stuff, Atun-Shei! Keep it up! I didn't even know about this man, and I spend a lot of time in College studying the Ante-Bellum Period of America.
This is a very welcome new serries, and I am very happy to see it. Is there any chance of an episode on black and LGBT activist “The Queen of Drag” William Dorsey Swann?
Looking forward for this series, awesome and informative first episode.
I can't imagine that Delay's black colony would have resulted in anything but softcore imperialism, much as it did in Liberia. With the American settlers being resented by locals and eventually chased out during decolonization.
That is likely how it would have played out.
Excellent voicecasting choice with FD Signifier
I hope you do an episode on Sophie Scholl at some point.
I knew i heard that narrator's voice. FDsignifier is really solid and its a treat to see you two collab
great vid as usual atun but regarding your off hand tidbit regarding revolutions and the Bolsheviks, please read black shirts and reds by Parenti, or literally anything done by Anna Louise Strong
OMG please do General Toussant (I don't know if I spelled it right) from the Haitian Revolution! Pls pls
He is right in that Stowe had no real way to speak as accurately about he struggles of the black race as a member of said race could, but disgustingly, more people would be willing to listen to her, in a similar way to why more people would be willing to listen to John Brown than to Stowe herself.
I went to 19 schools growing up, and one of my favorites was named after Stowe, so I've always been very interested in her since elementary school.
Another example of this is Hinton Rowan Helper, a white Southerner who argued that slavery hurt the interests of the vast majority of white people in the slave states. Republicans and Abolitionists eagerly cited his "Impending Crisis of the South" when conducting anti-slavery agitation, since being a white Southerner who had no interest in "negrophilia" (as sympathy for slaves was derisively called) gave him more credibility among white Northerners.
Really like the FD signifier audio clips. Highly appropriate.
by that CNT poster behind you, looks like you learned what anarcho-syndicalism is haha
Hearing FD Signifier's voice in this vid was a pleasant surprise, really hoping you guys do some more collaboration in the future! Especially for this series.
As someone who consideres themself a radical, it is comforting knowing my radical bretheren were also really weird