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I would love to see similar Extra History series on Ulysses S. Grant from selling firewood to becoming one the best US generals and later the President of United States.
@@Packless1 You know the phrase the world is a small place fitts like Washington involvement with the 7 years wars or John Paul’s jones involvement with Catherine the great And Catherine the great connection with Frederick the great etc
Murder is something that's done to people. If Fido gets rabies, he just stops being Fido at some point. Slavery's just the same, and the solutions the same for both: Prevention of infection, and ending the misery of those who are infected.
@@Ropetrick6 I believe I once heard slavery described as a cancer. Some slave owners try argue that they were good people cause they treated their slaves nicely. But the very act already blackened the soul and slowly but surely it will twist you till you see these people as nothing but cattle.
Yup! That is a part usually left out of the history books. By the time of the Civil War many if not most Plantations in Virgnia and other Slave states on the East Coast weren't so much farms that raised cash crops as ranches that bred human livestock.
Britain abolished slavery without violence. So did most other nations. The fact it turned to violence is an indictment of the failures of the American government and people, not something to be proud of.
@@robertdowling4673 "Britain abolished slavery without violence." Yeah, by paying a shitload of money to slavers and slave owners as compensation. That's not exactly a big win in my book.
@@riz3310 *against slavers You know, there's has always been a clear moral dissonance. When even monetary loss for slavers is somehow a bigger issue than slaves being beaten and murdered daily.
If terrorism is horrific violence with the aim of terrifying a group into political submission, then American slavery is a particularly long and gruesome terrorist enterprise.
Not just American, all slavery around the world scared people into submission. It’s not strictly an American thing, although people love to act like it.
@@y.v.n.gvidsstuff1057 unfortunately, many don’t or refuse to acknowledge this, since it serves a modern political purpose, but anyone who is not ideologically driven knows
The thing is - like it or not - Violence was the solution. It took the bloodiest war in US history to finally end slavery. Slavers would never stop without being physically forced to stop.
What I find funny about viewing the Civil War through the lense of the goal to end slavery is the South fucking started the war. It was their own damn fault lmao
@@squee222 To Preserve slavery. They were concerned that they would have trouble winning another presidential election in the future and passing legislation that would expand slavery further into the territories. Without the Expansion of slavery, something president elect Abe was against, the institution would slowly die out
@@zombieoverlord5173 kind of like Putin invading Ukraine to either "stop NATO expansion" or "Denazify Ukraine" sort of backfired there. Of course it is entirely possible they were certain that if they remained in the union they'd lose their slaves eventually anyway so perhaps we should view the violent secession as a last ditch attempt to fend off the inevitable which failed miserably.
@@zombieoverlord5173 But they didn't start the war. They legally left the union they had voluntarily joined. And then when the Union said we still own you SC tried to kick them out. The north did invade the south (no matter how silly I think the name "war of northern aggression is) The states were meant to be sovereign. They should have been allowed to leave.
How I Defeated Racism with the Power of Pacifist Calvinism Chapter 1: The power of pacifist Calvinism The first step on my journey was learning it is impossible to defeat Racism with the power of pacifist Calvinism Chapter 2: The power of INCREDIBLE Violence
The racism isn't defeated yet. On the other hand, hoping people will see all the violence the racists do and side with the pacifist anti-racist movements doesnt seem to be working, so maybe a little "two can play at that game" sort of mentality could help. Either that or the break up of media monopolies that lets racist narratives dominate.
An incredibly important figure. It's hard to fault him for turning to violence in the face of such an vile institution. Certainly the pro-slavers had no qualms about murder, and much worse.
So what you're saying is that two wrongs do make a right? That taking a family hostage in the middle of the night for "questioning" and then hacking them to death in cold blood (without a semblance of proof of guilt) was a righteous action by a righteous man?
@@barbiquearea The morally questionable actions of one man against the institutionalized evil of millions? Two wrongs don't make a right, but killing pro-slavery forces (and Doyle and his two adult sons were explicitly pro-slavery men who worked for the Law and Order Kansas Slavery party) in a world where there are no legal recourses to save 4 million people in bondage is a lot more sympathetic.
@@barbiquearea In this specific case? Yes. Those who weren't against slavery were complicit and therefore guilty. When the alternatives are human breeding, slavery, and genocide, the only solution is violence. Slavery didn't peter-out and die, it was ended through war and bloodshed, slavery was never going to end peacefully, the plantation-class were not people who could be reasoned with. Violence is rarely if ever the answer, but the sheer scale and horror of the south in the 19th century was a monster that could only be dealt with by sword.
🎶He captured Harper’s Ferry with his 19 men so true, he frightened ol’ Virginia till she trembled through and through! They hanged him for a traitor, they themselves the traitor crew, his soul goes marching on!🎵
John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave But his soul goes marching on GLORY GLORY HALLELUJAH!
He's gone to be a soldier in the army of the lord. He's gone to be a soldier in the army of the lord. He's gone to be a soldier in the army of the lord. But his soul goes marching on!
@@warguy1945 Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the LORD, He's trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored, He hath loosed the fateful lightning from His terrible swift sword His truth is marching on
He captured Harper's Ferry With his nineteen men so true, He frightened Ol' Virginia Til She trembled through and through. They hanged him for a traitor, They themselves the traitor crew! His soul goes marching on!
People judge the methods of those who do good far more strongly than they do acts of evil. Evil is banal and omnipresent and therefore hard to always concern ourselves with. Good attempts to usurp evil, and since it's an irregular force for change people take more note of it and judge it more than the evil it attempts to correct.
Because a man that does evil shall always be seen as evil and condemned A man that does good is seen as a symbol and could be used for justifying others' actions And that is why someone views as good actions and believes no matter his cause or hindsight shall have his ethics and morals put into question so that he doesn't get used to justify one action Lincoln and Sherman are living the same in hindsight their actions are justified but if we are living in the moment so one doesn't use like (Lincoln did the same so what is the problem with habeas corpus so why are you angry when the government does it now, of course, habeas corpus suspension is constitutional under certain conditions but if it was Lincoln doing it should be condemned no matter the reasons behind )
That's definitely how it should be. Saying you are doing good cannot be an excuse for doing evil. The most evil people in history have thought themselves to be doing good. And often to the admiration of their contemporaries. If you asked the people who murdered Elijah P. Lovejoy, they would have claimed they were "fighting against evil" as they committed one evil to uphold an even more horrific evil. Those who claim to do good must be held accountable because the society that tolerates them will be held accountable when it's realized evil was done instead.
@@Merennulli Even when people agree with the goal - counter to the concept of evil justified as good and which exists regardless of who all agrees - they'll have more energy to spend criticizing the execution of the thing they also see as good, than they ever spend on confronting the thing they agree is bad.
3:18 My God. Witnessing that would've radicalized me too. The worst kind of evil is the kind that is so normalized that people indulge in it without a second thought.
John Brown's one of the heroes of history, a man of unwavering principles. There's something nearly mythical about his unflinching dedication to end slavery. A true comrade and a shining beacon.
Paul Hill was also a "man of principle" and was a very religious person who felt God ordained him to fight against abortion. Which led him to murder a abortion doctor one day with a shotgun.
@@barbiquearea Why is this relevant? Do you think executing a slaver owner is as horrific a crime as murdering an innocent doctor, or do you not think the horrors of chattel slavery in this country were that bad? Which one is it?
@@coolguyjki It is relevant precisely because Paul Hill decided the doctor was not innocent and that he had the authority to inflict death on the doctor as punishment.
His grave is here in Southern California, and I've always wanted to hike up to it and honor him. The man was an absolute hero. The more I learn about the realities of slavery, the more strongly I feel about that.
You can honour him much more greatly by finding those who are oppressed and joining their fight for freedom, whomever that may be. Clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, aid the sick, feed the hungry, and, if you have the courage, mete poison grain for grain out upon their oppressors.
I'm excited to learn more about him. My private, religious school in the south had nothing good to say about him. There's a lot I was taught and not taught about that time period that I want to understand better.
Godbotherers school being a bunch of dishonest propagandists... Perish the thought. Ama, some advice, learn for yourself by yourself because at best schools teach "lies to children" at worst absolute ----ocks. I'd advise authors outside of the US, you'll get a more balanced approach and a better understanding of the situation.
@@painvillegaming4119 I would also add Atun-Shei Film's Checkmate Linconites series. He gives an excellent view of the events and concepts during and around the Civil War, so I'd say it's worth a watch!
@@canadi-eh9395 yeah and he is quite funny tho sometimes I feel like he gives too many personal beliefs rather than facts (like 0.01% of the time do I feel that and honestly that not the problem is that he does this and doesn't admit to it like comparing lost causes to people pissed at cancel culture even tho it seem all sides agree cancel culture is cancer just gonna have me oppose him a bit cause he can't admit when he is biased or wrong ) I suggest vlogging through history reactions as he gives a lot of good arguments and tends to agree with Atun shei tho call him out when he feels is unfair or when he gives too much credit
Definitely both. He did engage in terrorism, but he did it for a cause so unquestionably good, and so intractable to a solution through peaceful means, that there wasn't another solution available to him. In the event, it took a war costing hundreds of thousands of lives, to even accomplish a fraction of John Brown's righteous goals.
Also, he was responding to the terrorism of slavers with terrorism of his own so it isnt like you can condemn him without condemning his enemies even more.
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Controversial? Granted I'm Canadian, but I'm in my 30s and this is literally the first time I've ever heard JB described as anything other than one of the greatest heroes of US history.
In my school right across the border from you guys in suburban Detroit and I was taught he was a radical but he was portrayed as controversial and too brash
I'm sorry, but hearing that the pro-slavery crowd was already resorting to terrorist violence makes John Brown's violent response completely justified. May his example continue to teach us all how to be just in an unjust world.
The enslavement of a single person justifies the murder of the slaver. The insistence a lot of people have on focussing on violence against whites is really telling
This man is literally my hero, he literally saw slavery happening and just straight up went "NAH" and proceeded go cut/shoot his way to glory, his core mission being to defend the defenseless. Slavers were almost always evil, a general rule of thumb was that most slavers deserved death. Yes a few southerners only kept slaves to save them from the other slavers in the area, but unfortunately history shows us they did nothing but perpetuate the system that needed to be ended.
Look up The Mark Steel Lecture on Paine. Mark is a comedian who does biographies about historical figures in a comedic fashion. He’s fun and informative. I’ll see if I can find a link.
I'm not a proponent for corporal punishment, that was just what happened at the time, but the idea of turning the punishment around on yourself is kinda brilliant. Assuming your kid isn't sadistic, it would almost be more painful to have to lash your father than to have him lash you.
@@HugsMando Isn't that like saying what's wrong with murdering drug dealers? If I rounded up a posse and went to some drug dealer's house and hacked him and his adult sons to death for their horrible trade. Does that make me a hero?
@@HugsMando I mean their statements he killed kids too and even maybe some slaves themselves tho that one could be by accidents Also, ethics before morale beliefs personally my morales standards agree with him my ethics against vigilantism of any kind no matter the reason or goal is not
Besides hitting his kids (which was sadly normal at the time) I see nothing wrong with his actions in this video. Interested to see where the story goes!
To be fair to hitting the kids He did let them hit him too So he wasn’t a abusive dad he use hitting as a way to discipline which is used until today My parent hit me personally they don’t like it but sometimes what other way do we have to discipline of course they didn’t take a belt and beat me bloody and senseless
@@dunbass7149 again it depends I grew up in a country where teachers could beat you to a bloody mess with a stick hell even tutors could I personally being beating by tutors using a candle whenever I made a fault during studying (yes that happened and I was hit really hard ) my parent got rid of the teacher because well that kind of hitting is too much A little hit on the hand isn’t as bad as getting hit with a stick
@@painvillegaming4119 Why is the fact that you were abused worse by other people relevant to the idea that abusing children is wrong? I was abused pretty extensively all throughout my life and I'm pretty sure it was wrong no matter who did it. You don't need to excuse people for being wrong.
I think it's more that even if they said 'I know I'm overpaying, it's fine' he would refuse to sell them. Not that he was honest with his customers but that he refused to let them buy something even when they wanted to because he felt it was dishonest.
@@aronbaron1746that’s not how it works. The water used in the treatment process is contaminated to be point of diss use. Now I don’t know if you can use it again for the same process. But saying you can drink it is like saying you can drink the water runoff from an oil refinery because it’s “water”.
I feel that most history class style books focus only on the attack on Harper's Ferry, but don't mention much if anything about the years/events leading up to it, at least my history classes did that, so I'm excited for this series to show more.
The correct awnser is both. By definition, he was a terrorist. But he was also a hero who fought against an evil that was allowed by the US Government.
@@grandhierophantkhatep685okay? Did the slavers care about enslaved children? If the situation demands picking a side, why would we pick the side that's morally wrong?
@@andrewking9454 Killing children because their father was evil is a shaky logic at best. The best argument would probably be that it is inevitable that they would die in those circumstance
Slavers are people. Evil people. De-humanizing is cheap and incorrect in every sense. Murder is always immoral, but good people always do immoral things somewhere in their life. John was certainly a good man.
Okay, but no mention of how one of John Brown's Father's apprentices was Jesse Grant? Who, in order to save money on education got his son Hiram an appointment to the United States Military Academy where his name was incorrectly entered as Ulysses S. Grant.
He belived himself too important and killed without remorse, it dosen't matter that he killed slavers, If you killed someone without remorse that is a sin, he also killed non-slavers
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John Brown’s body lies a-mouldering in the grave, John Brown’s body lies a-mouldering in the grave, John Brown’s body lies a-mouldering in the grave, but his soul goes marching on!
John Brown’s body lies a moldering in the grave John Brown’s body lies a moldering in the grave John Brown’s body lies a moldering in the grave But his soul is marching on…
1. Non violent solution to slavery was not possible. 2. All races are equal under god and the law. 3. The only form of emancipation is immediate and total. I mean, the dude was not wrong.
Living here in Kansas, it is so frustrating and disappointing that so many Kansans now effectively support the modern political and social descendants of the Confederacy in terms of the politicians and laws that they endorse. Not that Kansas is the only Union state that has been corrupted by the legacy of the South. It feels like we need new John Browns to once again force us to do what is right, but I'm too cynical to believe that enough of my fellow Americans have that kind of moral conscience.
Let's remember that back in his time, most of the population didn't support his actions either. Progress always stems from the actions of a dedicated minority.
Let me guess you believe in the party switch myth. The reason why Kansans support conservatism is because they want to conserve the legacy of freedom America was founded to defend. As today as in 1941 1865 and 1776 patriotic Americans reject tyranny whatever its color
I would absolutely NOT entertain the idea that there needs to be murder. As an outsider, and a historian, modern day USA will NOT have anything good come from murder. If anything, these kinds of acts on the basis of “Moral conscience” would almost always spin into even more violence where innocents will be killed. Need I point out the French Revolution? Or Haitian Revolution?
Can you imagine in modern day america someone extremely religious fighting FOR social equality? Mad lad read the bible and went "The bible said we're equal and BY GOD, I'll make it so." Legend.
Person from Lawrence, Kansas here (I also wrote the Simple English Wikipedia articles on Lawrence, Quantrill's Raid on Lawrence, and the entire History of Kansas), so I was very excited for this episode!
If someone commits a crime, that does not make it legal to commit any crime against said person. That's a worse legal construct than hammurabi's code. What he was doing was wrong and he knew that but he was willing to bear that sin for the betterment of society. He was not a villain or a hero but a martyr.
@@sigiledraven6309 His solution would have amounted to killing all slavers and their children. That's at least as bad as the slavery itself, you'd be committing genocide. You'd also be sowing the seeds for further conflict. Peaceful solutions take longer but their results are more permanent.
@@Packless1 Oh I don't care about Morals when it comes to judging someone's allowance to own another human being. Two wrongs don't make a right but owning another human is just plain wrong not matter.
If you spend most of your life beating a man down and terrorizing his family for kicks, and the law refuses to do anything about it, you don't get to complain when he snaps and strangles you.
Honestly not that weird or Uncommon back then honestly it was kind necessary cause kids tend it to die young so most had a bunch of children also to help in the house work
It was not as odd then as now to have to have 20 kids but it was still extreme even then. Just look how many kids most historical figures at the age had. 3-8 is more common and many still didn’t have any. That he had two wives certainly helped with having this many.
John Brown’s body lies a-moldering in the grave. John’s Brown’s body lies a-moldering in the grave. John brown’s body lies a moldering in the grave. But his soul goes marching on…
"these are not law enforcement and this is not an arrest" I like to imagine it was at this point they yelled their final words "so much for the tolerant left!!" before getting cut to ribbons.
Honestly I think John is the ideal American, religion being something that brings people together, judge people by their merit, and help those in need no matter the cost. Definitely someone to aspire to.
So was pro life radical Paul Hill's murder of Dr John Bayard Britton, an abortion doctor in 1994. To many pro-life advocates he is considered a hero and a martyr. But I think we can both agree that his unlawful killing of a legal doctor (who he saw as a murderer) was an act of terror.
Super happy that you are covering him, I am looking forward to your take on him, however it falls. I have personally thought of him as an obvious zealot but also a very brave man with the courage of his convictions and in that belief the determination to endeavour to aim for triumph. 👏 Like deployed 👍
Great to have any series of US Civil War and as not American I have had not heard of him until a couple of years ago. Although it’s nice even though this is US based channel there hasn’t been too much US series. I think just Articles of Confederation, Teddy Roosevelt, Pearl Harbor and this one. And the 1918 pandemic series was pretty US based. Although the with one of episodes and shorter US gets picked as location pretty easily. But these longer Patreon picked series tend to be pretty international.
John Brown's body lies a moulderin' in the grave. John Brown's body lies a moulderin' in the grave. John Brown's body lies a moulderin' in the grave but his soul goes marching on!
Exactly! I’m tired of conservatives fooling people into thinking racism and other bigotry is over just because most basic rights are there. Nevermind how conservatives have been trying to reverse the flow of human and civil rights and sadly succeeding recently.
Anyone demanding the employment of violence in the protection of a system of vast, institutional violence has automatically volunteered to be the subject of violence.
@@krankarvolund7771 I dunno while you can certainly go too far (beatings and stuff are totally wrong) I’d have to argue that the general idea of spare the rod spoil the child is a necessary part of good parenting. Pretty much all kids who are never punished grow up to be complete brats who are useless to society and insufferable to deal with.
One thing that has remained true throughout history is that those who seek to overthrow systems of oppression through violence are labeled terrorists while the actions of those who benefit from and enable said systems are not. Violence in the name of upholding the status quo is never questioned, but violence that disrupts this status quo is often condemned, even when the violence used to uphold the status quo is far more widespread and brutal.
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Lost Causers would have you focused myopically on the Harpers' Ferry incident, while conveniently forget about all the other slavering monsters he had put down in Bleeding Kansas.
@@barbiquearea You're seriously comparing a murderer and terrorist who tried to fight against the rights of women, and a hero who tried to end one of the most brutal systems in the world? You just have no shame, have you? ^^'
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He was a goddamn hero
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Please do Texas revolution please extra history
@@humanperson3365 Gigachad before it was cool.
Can you please make a video about Gavrilo Princip and his comrades of Young Bosnia? Interesting topic, not widely covered on RUclips in english.
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“As Christ died to make us holy. Let us die to make men free. As his soul goes marching on”
Good to see you here comrade hope you're well
I didn’t expect to find you here
Rawest line in any marching song ever
Didn't expect you here but it's a welcome surprise
Fun fact: John Brown’s father actually employed Jesse Grant, father of Ulysses S. Grant.
Small world
I would love to see similar Extra History series on Ulysses S. Grant from selling firewood to becoming one the best US generals and later the President of United States.
...and John Wilk-Booth's brother once saved Lincoln's son from drowning...!
...indeed...the world is full of strange coincidence...!
@@Packless1 You know the phrase the world is a small place fitts like
Washington involvement with the 7 years wars or John Paul’s jones involvement with Catherine the great
And Catherine the great connection with Frederick the great etc
@@Mrmcnugget4beat me to it
Once you hear terms like 'forced breeding programs' it kind of silences ones objections to murder as a solution.
Murder is something that's done to people. If Fido gets rabies, he just stops being Fido at some point. Slavery's just the same, and the solutions the same for both: Prevention of infection, and ending the misery of those who are infected.
Amen
@@Ropetrick6 I believe I once heard slavery described as a cancer.
Some slave owners try argue that they were good people cause they treated their slaves nicely. But the very act already blackened the soul and slowly but surely it will twist you till you see these people as nothing but cattle.
Yup! That is a part usually left out of the history books. By the time of the Civil War many if not most Plantations in Virgnia and other Slave states on the East Coast weren't so much farms that raised cash crops as ranches that bred human livestock.
To me, it's his competence that should be called into question more, not really his morality
"A non violent solution to slavery is not possible" Dude had no idea how right he was
Dude knew EXACTLY how right he was.
Britain abolished slavery without violence. So did most other nations. The fact it turned to violence is an indictment of the failures of the American government and people, not something to be proud of.
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"Britain abolished slavery without violence." Yeah, by paying a shitload of money to slavers and slave owners as compensation. That's not exactly a big win in my book.
@@robertdowling4673they still practically enslaved the people of their colonies.. just because they didn't call it slavery doesn't mean it is true..
Others asked themselves if violence could be the solution. But to him, violence was the question, and the answer was YES.
The meme work
Less slavers = less slavery if you 'cut down' the demand the slave market is no more.
The government has a monopoly on violence
The violence was already present, experienced most acutely by the slaves.
@@riz3310
*against slavers
You know, there's has always been a clear moral dissonance. When even monetary loss for slavers is somehow a bigger issue than slaves being beaten and murdered daily.
If terrorism is horrific violence with the aim of terrifying a group into political submission, then American slavery is a particularly long and gruesome terrorist enterprise.
What could repair that?
Not just American, all slavery around the world scared people into submission. It’s not strictly an American thing, although people love to act like it.
@@calundoconteal6851Well everyone knows that but the topic is on U.S slavery
@@y.v.n.gvidsstuff1057 unfortunately, many don’t or refuse to acknowledge this, since it serves a modern political purpose, but anyone who is not ideologically driven knows
@@calundoconteal6851 Yeah I've known this there our different versions of slavery aswell but Yeah I understand atleast your educating ppl tho 🤝🏽
The thing is - like it or not - Violence was the solution. It took the bloodiest war in US history to finally end slavery. Slavers would never stop without being physically forced to stop.
What I find funny about viewing the Civil War through the lense of the goal to end slavery is the South fucking started the war. It was their own damn fault lmao
@@zombieoverlord5173 Mr Zombie. Please tell the class why the south started the war. Thanks
@@squee222 To Preserve slavery. They were concerned that they would have trouble winning another presidential election in the future and passing legislation that would expand slavery further into the territories. Without the Expansion of slavery, something president elect Abe was against, the institution would slowly die out
@@zombieoverlord5173 kind of like Putin invading Ukraine to either "stop NATO expansion" or "Denazify Ukraine" sort of backfired there. Of course it is entirely possible they were certain that if they remained in the union they'd lose their slaves eventually anyway so perhaps we should view the violent secession as a last ditch attempt to fend off the inevitable which failed miserably.
@@zombieoverlord5173 But they didn't start the war. They legally left the union they had voluntarily joined. And then when the Union said we still own you SC tried to kick them out. The north did invade the south (no matter how silly I think the name "war of northern aggression is) The states were meant to be sovereign. They should have been allowed to leave.
The story about the child being beaten with a shovel is enough to silence any questions about violence against slavers
No one at Pottawotamie was a slaver or slaveowner.
@@lgmmrm they were pro-slavery, something I'm assuming you're not opposed to.
@@johannliebert2870 his reply history are.... abhorrent. That dude is a monster.
@@aohige you're right, crazy stuff
How I Defeated Racism with the Power of Pacifist Calvinism
Chapter 1: The power of pacifist Calvinism
The first step on my journey was learning it is impossible to defeat Racism with the power of pacifist Calvinism
Chapter 2: The power of INCREDIBLE Violence
The racism isn't defeated yet. On the other hand, hoping people will see all the violence the racists do and side with the pacifist anti-racist movements doesnt seem to be working, so maybe a little "two can play at that game" sort of mentality could help. Either that or the break up of media monopolies that lets racist narratives dominate.
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Did the incredible violence actually defeat racism though?
@@GonnaDieNever It didn’t, hasn’t, and never will.
@TheAKgunner but it results in dead racists and that's still a net positive for the world
An incredibly important figure. It's hard to fault him for turning to violence in the face of such an vile institution. Certainly the pro-slavers had no qualms about murder, and much worse.
So what you're saying is that two wrongs do make a right? That taking a family hostage in the middle of the night for "questioning" and then hacking them to death in cold blood (without a semblance of proof of guilt) was a righteous action by a righteous man?
@@barbiquearea No, you said that. What they wrote is what they wrote.
@@aaronsirkman8375 here is the thing tho you may believe in something without saying it
@@barbiquearea The morally questionable actions of one man against the institutionalized evil of millions? Two wrongs don't make a right, but killing pro-slavery forces (and Doyle and his two adult sons were explicitly pro-slavery men who worked for the Law and Order Kansas Slavery party) in a world where there are no legal recourses to save 4 million people in bondage is a lot more sympathetic.
@@barbiquearea In this specific case? Yes. Those who weren't against slavery were complicit and therefore guilty. When the alternatives are human breeding, slavery, and genocide, the only solution is violence. Slavery didn't peter-out and die, it was ended through war and bloodshed, slavery was never going to end peacefully, the plantation-class were not people who could be reasoned with. Violence is rarely if ever the answer, but the sheer scale and horror of the south in the 19th century was a monster that could only be dealt with by sword.
🎶He captured Harper’s Ferry with his 19 men so true, he frightened ol’ Virginia till she trembled through and through!
They hanged him for a traitor, they themselves the traitor crew, his soul goes marching on!🎵
Glory, glory hallelujah! Glory, glory hallelujah!
Glory, glory hallelujah! His soul goes marching on!
John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave
John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave
John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave
But his soul goes marching on
GLORY GLORY HALLELUJAH!
He's gone to be a soldier in the army of the lord.
He's gone to be a soldier in the army of the lord.
He's gone to be a soldier in the army of the lord.
But his soul goes marching on!
@@warguy1945
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the LORD,
He's trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored,
He hath loosed the fateful lightning from His terrible swift sword
His truth is marching on
@@MrAcuriteOf1337 don’t pollute this thread with trashy derivative copies
John browns body lies a-moldering in the grave. But his soul goes marching on!
GLORY GLORY HALLELUJAH!!!
And though he lost his life in the struggle to free the slaves, his truth goes marching on!
He captured Harper's Ferry
With his nineteen men so true,
He frightened Ol' Virginia
Til She trembled through and through.
They hanged him for a traitor,
They themselves the traitor crew!
His soul goes marching on!
I hope maggot had picked this bloody man's corpse clean.
GLOOOOORY GLORY HALLELUJAHHHHH
GLOOOOORY GLORY HALLELUJAHHHHH
GLOOOOORY GLORY HALLELUJAHHHHH
BUT HIS SOUL GOES MARCHING ONNN
People judge the methods of those who do good far more strongly than they do acts of evil. Evil is banal and omnipresent and therefore hard to always concern ourselves with. Good attempts to usurp evil, and since it's an irregular force for change people take more note of it and judge it more than the evil it attempts to correct.
A hundred nobles guillotined is a blot on national history. A million peasants starved is just 'something that happened back then'.
Because a man that does evil shall always be seen as evil and condemned
A man that does good is seen as a symbol and could be used for justifying others' actions
And that is why someone views as good actions and believes no matter his cause or hindsight shall have his ethics and morals put into question so that he doesn't get used to justify one action
Lincoln and Sherman are living the same in hindsight their actions are justified but if we are living in the moment so one doesn't use like (Lincoln did the same so what is the problem with habeas corpus so why are you angry when the government does it now, of course, habeas corpus suspension is constitutional under certain conditions but if it was Lincoln doing it should be condemned no matter the reasons behind )
That's definitely how it should be. Saying you are doing good cannot be an excuse for doing evil. The most evil people in history have thought themselves to be doing good. And often to the admiration of their contemporaries. If you asked the people who murdered Elijah P. Lovejoy, they would have claimed they were "fighting against evil" as they committed one evil to uphold an even more horrific evil.
Those who claim to do good must be held accountable because the society that tolerates them will be held accountable when it's realized evil was done instead.
@@Merennulli Even when people agree with the goal - counter to the concept of evil justified as good and which exists regardless of who all agrees - they'll have more energy to spend criticizing the execution of the thing they also see as good, than they ever spend on confronting the thing they agree is bad.
A wise observation, my friend.
3:18 My God. Witnessing that would've radicalized me too. The worst kind of evil is the kind that is so normalized that people indulge in it without a second thought.
John Brown's one of the heroes of history, a man of unwavering principles. There's something nearly mythical about his unflinching dedication to end slavery.
A true comrade and a shining beacon.
Indeed
Paul Hill was also a "man of principle" and was a very religious person who felt God ordained him to fight against abortion. Which led him to murder a abortion doctor one day with a shotgun.
It's a real supermascist & anti hero
@@barbiquearea Why is this relevant? Do you think executing a slaver owner is as horrific a crime as murdering an innocent doctor, or do you not think the horrors of chattel slavery in this country were that bad? Which one is it?
@@coolguyjki
It is relevant precisely because Paul Hill decided the doctor was not innocent and that he had the authority to inflict death on the doctor as punishment.
His grave is here in Southern California, and I've always wanted to hike up to it and honor him. The man was an absolute hero. The more I learn about the realities of slavery, the more strongly I feel about that.
Oooooo I must go see
He's buried in North Elbe, New York. His family moved to California after his death.
@@SleventyFive you know, you're right - I had to google, it's his son Owen that's buried here. Still worth honoring, though, sounds like
You can honour him much more greatly by finding those who are oppressed and joining their fight for freedom, whomever that may be. Clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, aid the sick, feed the hungry, and, if you have the courage, mete poison grain for grain out upon their oppressors.
@@Axelgear2006 True, but still worth visiting the grave of the man to pay some respect. No harm in that.
Violence is often not the best solution, however when your enemies have already resorted to it, keeping it in the toolbag is a good idea.
I'm excited to learn more about him. My private, religious school in the south had nothing good to say about him. There's a lot I was taught and not taught about that time period that I want to understand better.
I also may suggest oversimplified civil war video it a good quick summarization of the war and what lead up to it
Awesome, good on you. So many get taught what they're taught and never explore it deeper.
Godbotherers school being a bunch of dishonest propagandists... Perish the thought.
Ama, some advice, learn for yourself by yourself because at best schools teach "lies to children" at worst absolute ----ocks.
I'd advise authors outside of the US, you'll get a more balanced approach and a better understanding of the situation.
@@painvillegaming4119 I would also add Atun-Shei Film's Checkmate Linconites series. He gives an excellent view of the events and concepts during and around the Civil War, so I'd say it's worth a watch!
@@canadi-eh9395 yeah and he is quite funny tho sometimes I feel like he gives too many personal beliefs rather than facts (like 0.01% of the time do I feel that and honestly that not the problem is that he does this and doesn't admit to it like comparing lost causes to people pissed at cancel culture even tho it seem all sides agree cancel culture is cancer just gonna have me oppose him a bit cause he can't admit when he is biased or wrong )
I suggest vlogging through history reactions as he gives a lot of good arguments and tends to agree with Atun shei tho call him out when he feels is unfair or when he gives too much credit
The words Hero and Terrorist aren't mutually exclusive. They're typically perpetuated based on culture. Some can even be both simultaneously.
Definitely both. He did engage in terrorism, but he did it for a cause so unquestionably good, and so intractable to a solution through peaceful means, that there wasn't another solution available to him. In the event, it took a war costing hundreds of thousands of lives, to even accomplish a fraction of John Brown's righteous goals.
To some it's terrorism, to others it's vigalantism.
Also, he was responding to the terrorism of slavers with terrorism of his own so it isnt like you can condemn him without condemning his enemies even more.
It’s not terrorism if the cause was based on Justice
@@iche9373 all terrorists think their cause is based on justice. they wouldn't do terrorism otherwise. one mans terrorist is another freedom fighter
@@mikeandnike123 Terrorism is when you kill in the name of your ideology.
Freedom fighters don’t kill for their ideology.
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
@@QVUTDN Slavery is a poor economic function which serves only to drive wealth up to the upper class.
@@QVUTDN See people like you are aching for a broadswording.
bro that's a mumar Gadaffi quote
@@QVUTDN If it was so necessary, why did everywhere abolish it successfully?
@@QVUTDN "economic necessity", than why was the north richer, and better than the south?
John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave
John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave
John Brown's body lies a-moldering in the grave
But his soul goes marching on
Controversial? Granted I'm Canadian, but I'm in my 30s and this is literally the first time I've ever heard JB described as anything other than one of the greatest heroes of US history.
floridian here, im almost certain books about him being a hero are soon to be censored! how fun!
@@isylvia Book banning states of Florida, Texas, Tennessee... those states needed to be burned by Sherman.
@@isylvia Stay strong.... maybe have some contingencies planned. Either to leave or....
In my school right across the border from you guys in suburban Detroit and I was taught he was a radical but he was portrayed as controversial and too brash
From Virginia, was taught he was a terrorist
I'm sorry, but hearing that the pro-slavery crowd was already resorting to terrorist violence makes John Brown's violent response completely justified.
May his example continue to teach us all how to be just in an unjust world.
The enslavement of a single person justifies the murder of the slaver. The insistence a lot of people have on focussing on violence against whites is really telling
It's not justified, it just made him as worse as the pro slavery people. You don't respond to murder by going and murdering the murderers
@@bluebubbadog2080 Yup. Sure. When you get invaded, don't fight back. Same logic my man.
@@bluebubbadog2080 so if someone invades your home don't fight back or you're just as bad
@benlex5672 That's self defense when you're invaded, what you're saying here is revenge and that I don't agree with
i heard he was killing slavers and i immediately was like 'oh hell yeah im gonna love watching this dude mess stuff up'
Do we know that everyone he killed was a slaver?
I feel the same way with abortion doctors
@@ronniehopper2726 that’s a bit harsh comparing abortion doctors to enslavers
Abortion lowers crime rate and boost the economy. Slavery does the opposite
@@christiandauz3742 Lol. Now we got a slavery vs abortion debate
This man is literally my hero, he literally saw slavery happening and just straight up went "NAH" and proceeded go cut/shoot his way to glory, his core mission being to defend the defenseless.
Slavers were almost always evil, a general rule of thumb was that most slavers deserved death. Yes a few southerners only kept slaves to save them from the other slavers in the area, but unfortunately history shows us they did nothing but perpetuate the system that needed to be ended.
And what of the non-slavers?
@@CABRALFAN27 If they fight for slavery, they die for slavery.
@@CABRALFAN27 Exactly. Why did they do nothing to stop their fellows from committing evil?
@robertross45 go fight a crowd of people i dare you
@@theenderdestruction2362 They couldn't have organized? Campaigned?
Can y'all do a video/series about Thomas Paine? He is always overlooked but he has done so many fascinating things
The one objectively good founding father
@@froze525 fax
Look up The Mark Steel Lecture on Paine. Mark is a comedian who does biographies about historical figures in a comedic fashion. He’s fun and informative. I’ll see if I can find a link.
He was basically American Rousseau intelligent sure but self assured and naive. He would probably be a woke poly if he lived today
How about Henry George and Georgism
John Brown's body lies a moulderin' in the grave
But his soul goes marchin' on
Neither a terrorist nor a hero
A legend
You should go fight slavery in Africa like your hero
please explain
Anti Hero
@@Illumirage why dont you go help those slavers like your villain
@@Grayson-tk5hn why don't you go help murderers like your villain
I'm not a proponent for corporal punishment, that was just what happened at the time, but the idea of turning the punishment around on yourself is kinda brilliant. Assuming your kid isn't sadistic, it would almost be more painful to have to lash your father than to have him lash you.
One of my all-time favorite people in history. Obscenely based.
His truth is marching on!
A cold blooded murderer is your hero? You my friend need to have higher standards.
@@barbiquearea most famous people from history committed murder, maybe you need to read a history book or learn to whine less.
@@HugsMando Isn't that like saying what's wrong with murdering drug dealers? If I rounded up a posse and went to some drug dealer's house and hacked him and his adult sons to death for their horrible trade. Does that make me a hero?
@@HugsMando I mean their statements he killed kids too and even maybe some slaves themselves tho that one could be by accidents
Also, ethics before morale beliefs personally my morales standards agree with him my ethics against vigilantism of any kind no matter the reason or goal is not
Besides hitting his kids (which was sadly normal at the time) I see nothing wrong with his actions in this video. Interested to see where the story goes!
His scheme got some of his sons killed.
So, it gets worse.
To be fair to hitting the kids
He did let them hit him too
So he wasn’t a abusive dad he use hitting as a way to discipline which is used until today
My parent hit me personally they don’t like it but sometimes what other way do we have to discipline of course they didn’t take a belt and beat me bloody and senseless
@@painvillegaming4119 yeah do you not see how that might have impacted your opinion
@@dunbass7149 again it depends
I grew up in a country where teachers could beat you to a bloody mess with a stick hell even tutors could I personally being beating by tutors using a candle whenever I made a fault during studying (yes that happened and I was hit really hard ) my parent got rid of the teacher because well that kind of hitting is too much
A little hit on the hand isn’t as bad as getting hit with a stick
@@painvillegaming4119 Why is the fact that you were abused worse by other people relevant to the idea that abusing children is wrong? I was abused pretty extensively all throughout my life and I'm pretty sure it was wrong no matter who did it. You don't need to excuse people for being wrong.
He’s done more with a few men than thousands with big, empty phrases .Not only a Hero . . also visionnary. From France 🇫🇷
Well you guys certainly aren't against murdering oppressive villainy 😂
When Injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty. Hero definitely
Still terrorism though….
@@shawnellesmith not any worse than the institution and practices of slavery
@@shawnellesmithno, it was based what he did.
@@Mayan_88694 He committed violent acts for political gain; which is the definition of the word terrorism.
@@shawnellesmith He targeted a group oppressing others
If all violence is terrorism: some people are morally worthy of being terrified, slavers are among them.
I like how honest business practices of not making customers pay for water in wet hides is considered odd.
I think it's more that even if they said 'I know I'm overpaying, it's fine' he would refuse to sell them. Not that he was honest with his customers but that he refused to let them buy something even when they wanted to because he felt it was dishonest.
It's even better in that, charging them for water is honestly understandable, Water was a precious resource.
@@aronbaron1746 ...you would drink water out of a leather hide?
@@shadestained You can do more with water than just drink it, but to answer your question, yeah.
@@aronbaron1746that’s not how it works. The water used in the treatment process is contaminated to be point of diss use. Now I don’t know if you can use it again for the same process. But saying you can drink it is like saying you can drink the water runoff from an oil refinery because it’s “water”.
He was a Martyr for Freedom! You guys rock on your subjects!
More like a martyr for insanity 😂😂😂😂
@@luisfilipe2023
Go back to the plantations
@@luisfilipe2023 Anyone that fights Slavery is a hero in my eyes
@@jacobberg373 even if they murder hundreds of innocents? It’s exactly that kind of radical mentality That caused half a million Americans to die bozo
@@marseldagistani1989 you seem to be the one who is on the negros side lol
“Was he a hero or a terrorist?”
Is it too much to ask for both? -Tony Stark
I'd love to see an episode on Bleeding Kansas going into detail about the various skirmishes and Beecher's Bibles etc.
I feel that most history class style books focus only on the attack on Harper's Ferry, but don't mention much if anything about the years/events leading up to it, at least my history classes did that, so I'm excited for this series to show more.
A perfect example of a true Christian, unwavering in the face of human cruelty and a martyr for the people
Christian guess u forgot about thou shall not kill
@@MONKEYDZETSthe correct wording of that verse is "Thou shall not commit murder"
@@MONKEYDZETSKilling in war is okay, is it not?
He thought himself a prophet similar to Moses.
‘Cough’ crusades
Killing to stop an act as vile as enslavement of other human beings is a heroic act.
Self defense at that point
One of my favourite historical figures and in my opinion no question a hero
He executed men without trial in front of their wives and children.
I would question calling him a "hero".
@@badluck5647nah it was warranted
You can be the most evil man alive and still be a hero to some.
@@badluck5647 Slavers and their defenders aren't men
@@badluck5647 Not men: slavers.
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The correct awnser is both. By definition, he was a terrorist. But he was also a hero who fought against an evil that was allowed by the US Government.
Hero. He didn't kill people, he killed slavers.
And their wives and children.
@@grandhierophantkhatep685okay? Did the slavers care about enslaved children? If the situation demands picking a side, why would we pick the side that's morally wrong?
@@andrewking9454 Killing children because their father was evil is a shaky logic at best. The best argument would probably be that it is inevitable that they would die in those circumstance
Slavers are people. Evil people. De-humanizing is cheap and incorrect in every sense. Murder is always immoral, but good people always do immoral things somewhere in their life. John was certainly a good man.
@@grandhierophantkhatep685 No he didn't, you have him confused with Nat Turner
Okay, but no mention of how one of John Brown's Father's apprentices was Jesse Grant? Who, in order to save money on education got his son Hiram an appointment to the United States Military Academy where his name was incorrectly entered as Ulysses S. Grant.
Slaves are people. Slavers are not.
I feel no sympathy for any ancestors lost or bloodlines ended to John Brown's hand.
Slavers are also people and should be judged like people. People can be good or evil and sometimes both
@@Ch-ew9tmAnyone who thinks they have a right to own another human being is less than one and should be judged as such.
JB has a permanent seat to every cookout in Heaven.
Rest in Power.
Dude got fast tracked to Valhalla where even Wotan and Thor are humbled by such courage and conviction.
He belived himself too important and killed without remorse, it dosen't matter that he killed slavers, If you killed someone without remorse that is a sin, he also killed non-slavers
@@Jakov-or7fphave you heard of the crusades??
Hell must be full af rn from all the times a person has killed another person in the name of religion.
I love when they animate some scenes, ik its probably really hard to do but it looks really good and it would be amazing if they did it more often
Agree whenever they do it it hits harder
Thanks! We're transitioning to more fully animated scenes. We would love to do it for the whole video but it's still new to our artists and we're not sure how much we can do with our time constraints of having a weekly episode As always we'll keep improving our content!
@@extrahistory no way you guys will actually make entirely animated episodes! tha will be so cool!
@@extrahistory you guys should do a series on Cecil Rhodes and his conquest of Zimbabwe and establishment of de beers
Before war on terror :
Let's see Hans in die hard movie is doing terrorist acts
Chechen War 1994
Russian terrorism
John Brown’s body lies a-mouldering in the grave, John Brown’s body lies a-mouldering in the grave, John Brown’s body lies a-mouldering in the grave, but his soul goes marching on!
John Brown’s body lies a moldering in the grave
John Brown’s body lies a moldering in the grave
John Brown’s body lies a moldering in the grave
But his soul is marching on…
This will be a fascinating series, thanks for covering it!
1. Non violent solution to slavery was not possible.
2. All races are equal under god and the law.
3. The only form of emancipation is immediate and total.
I mean, the dude was not wrong.
I take it you'll be shipping off to fight it in Africa then?
@@Illumiragetry not to be bait challenge(IMPOSSIBLE)
@@beans00001 shaddup
@@beans00001try not to be a coward challenge: impossible
"hero or terrorist"
John: "is it too much to ask for both?"
Living here in Kansas, it is so frustrating and disappointing that so many Kansans now effectively support the modern political and social descendants of the Confederacy in terms of the politicians and laws that they endorse. Not that Kansas is the only Union state that has been corrupted by the legacy of the South.
It feels like we need new John Browns to once again force us to do what is right, but I'm too cynical to believe that enough of my fellow Americans have that kind of moral conscience.
Let's remember that back in his time, most of the population didn't support his actions either.
Progress always stems from the actions of a dedicated minority.
Let me guess you believe in the party switch myth. The reason why Kansans support conservatism is because they want to conserve the legacy of freedom America was founded to defend. As today as in 1941 1865 and 1776 patriotic Americans reject tyranny whatever its color
@@painvillegaming4119 Things can always go off the rails. But the French revolution in the first place was... Pretty well justified.
I would absolutely NOT entertain the idea that there needs to be murder. As an outsider, and a historian, modern day USA will NOT have anything good come from murder.
If anything, these kinds of acts on the basis of “Moral conscience” would almost always spin into even more violence where innocents will be killed. Need I point out the French Revolution? Or Haitian Revolution?
@@openthinker6562 Its a matter of whats necessary, tbh. Violent revolution in Haiti against the slave owners was a moral imperative.
He’s not a terrorist because human rights are not an issue of politics they’re an issue of morality.
You could justify Jody about anything with loose logic like that
Can you imagine in modern day america someone extremely religious fighting FOR social equality?
Mad lad read the bible and went "The bible said we're equal and BY GOD, I'll make it so." Legend.
I dont need to imagine that, that's my boyfriend.
I know people like that
there's a lot of people like that. folks who actually put the word into use in their day to day instead of using it to enable their bigotry
I love seeing all the people talking about the people they know who are actually like this.
It gives me back some faith in humanity
It's what they are supposed to be like. The "religious right" of today have poisoned things.
been waiting for this one!
Person from Lawrence, Kansas here (I also wrote the Simple English Wikipedia articles on Lawrence, Quantrill's Raid on Lawrence, and the entire History of Kansas), so I was very excited for this episode!
Bro had the craziest superhero origin I’ve ever heard
John Brown's body lies a mouldering in the grave
*BUT HIS SOUL GOES MARCHING ON!*
I recognize you from r/kaisereich 😮
Most of his “Crimes” we're against slave owners and we all know slave owners can't complain, they own other humans, So hero.
If someone commits a crime, that does not make it legal to commit any crime against said person. That's a worse legal construct than hammurabi's code.
What he was doing was wrong and he knew that but he was willing to bear that sin for the betterment of society. He was not a villain or a hero but a martyr.
...unfortunately it's not that simple...! ☹
...the moral dilemma is, that 2 times 'wrong' doesn't make 'right'...! ☹
@@sigiledraven6309 His solution would have amounted to killing all slavers and their children. That's at least as bad as the slavery itself, you'd be committing genocide. You'd also be sowing the seeds for further conflict. Peaceful solutions take longer but their results are more permanent.
@@Packless1 Oh I don't care about Morals when it comes to judging someone's allowance to own another human being. Two wrongs don't make a right but owning another human is just plain wrong not matter.
If you spend most of your life beating a man down and terrorizing his family for kicks, and the law refuses to do anything about it, you don't get to complain when he snaps and strangles you.
John Browns body lies a moldering in the grave, but his soul goes marching on.
God DAMN John can do it!!!! How the hell did he manage having over TWENTY Kids???
Honestly not that weird or Uncommon back then honestly it was kind necessary cause kids tend it to die young so most had a bunch of children also to help in the house work
It was not as odd then as now to have to have 20 kids but it was still extreme even then. Just look how many kids most historical figures at the age had. 3-8 is more common and many still didn’t have any. That he had two wives certainly helped with having this many.
Clearly John took the Bible passage telling us to "be fruitful and multiply" WAY too literally.
No birth control probably
@@painvillegaming4119 you can even see this watching this series with more than half of them dying.
I'm very interested to see where this series goes!
John Brown’s body lies a-moldering in the grave.
John’s Brown’s body lies a-moldering in the grave.
John brown’s body lies a moldering in the grave.
But his soul goes marching on…
Wow. Perfect timing. I'm teaching and debating this very topic on Monday.
"these are not law enforcement and this is not an arrest"
I like to imagine it was at this point they yelled their final words "so much for the tolerant left!!" before getting cut to ribbons.
Can I do the same to you when it comes time for you to pay the price for supporting this courrpt system?
"Your honour, my client was incredibly based"
Honestly I think John is the ideal American, religion being something that brings people together, judge people by their merit, and help those in need no matter the cost. Definitely someone to aspire to.
Hero. It's never terrorism to defend others. And that's what he was doing.
He's both.
Terrorism is a tactic, not an ideology.
The Boston Tea Party was an act of terrorism, too.
Exactly. The IRA was fighting for an independent Ireland, a noble goal, using terrorist tactics.
So was pro life radical Paul Hill's murder of Dr John Bayard Britton, an abortion doctor in 1994. To many pro-life advocates he is considered a hero and a martyr. But I think we can both agree that his unlawful killing of a legal doctor (who he saw as a murderer) was an act of terror.
Also the Boston Tea Party destroyed merchandise in an act of civil disobedience. The instigators didn't kill anyone. John on the other hand.....
@@barbiquearea You keep trying to use this slippery slope argument, but it doesn't work.
Bro he was against slavery of course he was a hero
Super happy that you are covering him, I am looking forward to your take on him, however it falls. I have personally thought of him as an obvious zealot but also a very brave man with the courage of his convictions and in that belief the determination to endeavour to aim for triumph. 👏
Like deployed 👍
All zealots are brave their problem is being bravely stupid
He was absolutely a zealot, but also a hero.
@Jonathan Rich Yep, he and his sons "heroically" slaughtered their enemies as they prayed for mercy during Bleeding Kansas.
@@barbiquearea cry about it dixie boy
Great to have any series of US Civil War and as not American I have had not heard of him until a couple of years ago.
Although it’s nice even though this is US based channel there hasn’t been too much US series. I think just Articles of Confederation, Teddy Roosevelt, Pearl Harbor and this one. And the 1918 pandemic series was pretty US based. Although the with one of episodes and shorter US gets picked as location pretty easily. But these longer Patreon picked series tend to be pretty international.
"hero or terrorist" is a wild question
It's hero. Obviously.
John Brown's body lies a moulderin' in the grave. John Brown's body lies a moulderin' in the grave. John Brown's body lies a moulderin' in the grave but his soul goes marching on!
As a resident of the mediocre state of Kansas, great topic choice. It's one of the few interesting things about this state.
I hope you eventually cover slavery's twin horror of the 19th century: the Indian Removal Act.
Oh yes, definitely.
As an Okie, I’m all for more videos on Oklahoma history. Maybe a video on the Osage Murders, or the Agrarian Socialist movement as well.
John browns only mistake was believing the American public would rise to Justice
John Brown's Body Lies Moldering in the ground, John Brown's body lies moldering in the ground, John Brown's body lies moldering in the ground.....
Knowing that racism still has not been cured in USA we can probably say this man is not too far off.
Exactly! I’m tired of conservatives fooling people into thinking racism and other bigotry is over just because most basic rights are there.
Nevermind how conservatives have been trying to reverse the flow of human and civil rights and sadly succeeding recently.
To be fair, racism sadly hasn't been “cured” anywhere…
These events aren’t that long ago in the end.
As long as more than one race of people exist there will be racists
Dude. Compared to almost the rest of the world, the US is on of the least racist.
John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave,
His soul's marching on.
May his spirit possess America.
Anyone demanding the employment of violence in the protection of a system of vast, institutional violence has automatically volunteered to be the subject of violence.
NGL he actually seemed like a pretty good dad. I grew up 25 minutes from Harpers Ferry and was always fascinated by the man.
He was a good dad whose only problem was to believe a book saying "Spare the rod to your child will send him in hell".
@@krankarvolund7771 I dunno while you can certainly go too far (beatings and stuff are totally wrong) I’d have to argue that the general idea of spare the rod spoil the child is a necessary part of good parenting. Pretty much all kids who are never punished grow up to be complete brats who are useless to society and insufferable to deal with.
One thing that has remained true throughout history is that those who seek to overthrow systems of oppression through violence are labeled terrorists while the actions of those who benefit from and enable said systems are not.
Violence in the name of upholding the status quo is never questioned, but violence that disrupts this status quo is often condemned, even when the violence used to uphold the status quo is far more widespread and brutal.
John Brown’s body lies a moldering in the Grave.
John Brown’s body lies a moldering in the Grave.
John Brown’s body lies a moldering in the Grave, but his soul goes marching on.
Glory, Glory Hallelujah
Glory, Glory Hallelujah
Glory, Glory Hallelujah
But his soul is marching on.
As a Canadian I can't help but tear especially as my fiancé is African American, but I have to call out this ad read, it's not fake, it's real and it's passion, it's one that a creator legitimately loves and is proud to have as a sponsor. And I love that
2:50 flipping the bird in front of the 🦃 very subtle I like it ❤️
John Brown's essence will eternally be at every cookout from here to the end of time
A true patriot, we should aspire to his example(the violence is not needed today, but his drive for what’s right should be replicated)
Hero. There, question answered.
I've been waiting for this one thanks guys :)
Lost Causers would have you focused myopically on the Harpers' Ferry incident, while conveniently forget about all the other slavering monsters he had put down in Bleeding Kansas.
Uh, hero. Next question
obviously a hero and the people that disagree are racist. it really is that simple.
"Hero or Terrorist?"
Ooh, I know this one. Hero.
Was Paul Hill also a hero?
@@barbiquearea You're seriously comparing a murderer and terrorist who tried to fight against the rights of women, and a hero who tried to end one of the most brutal systems in the world? You just have no shame, have you? ^^'
@@barbiquearea Did Paul Hill kill tyrants and slavers while liberating their captives?
here from VTH. Love your content!
Thanks so much for visiting! 😍
Having just read ‘Red Rising’, that “making his son give him corporeal punishment for his son’s sins” felt very close!
A DANG GOOD book series! We didnt think of the similarities but YES we can see it now!
@Extra History lol can't wait for the 'So you haven't read...Red Rising" ! 😆