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Hum, Eleanor and her uncle being controversial? Really? In the time when the Holy Roman Empire was a thing? The only thing that was off limits for them was clones having sex.
Thanks for acknowledging that the supposed affair between Eleanor and her uncle was basically just her being excited to spend time with someone who acted "normally".
To be fair, knowing how often people in relationships accuse each other of things they are doing themselves. It seems odd that she would suggest annulment for being too closely related. Unless of course she was having relations with a family member, then it would make sense.
Ok, in one episode we got a prince killed by a pig, a church burning with 1200 innocent lives, a crusade disastrous even for the average results of those expeditions, pirates, a Pope serving as a matchmaker, and a divorce happening before Henry VIII. Ah, the Medieval times...
Divorces were always possible in the Catholic church, if there were reasonable grounds. Nobles often, like Eleanor here, claimed they were too closely related, while not being able to procreate was also a legitimate reason. IIRC there was a court case in England where a wife sought divorce on the grounds that her husband was impotent, and the court assigned three women to attempt to arouse him. The women verified the wife's claims and divorce was granted. The reason Henry VIII was so pissed was that he didn't get one, even though he thought he had a good case.
@@Oxtocoatl13 Tecnically not a divorce because the Catholic Church does not allow divorces. The loophole is annulment, by which they say that proper-official-forrealsies marriage never happened and so is invalid, which is why they have to ask the Pope permission
It's always endlessly fascinating watching the creative ways in which women like Eleanor were able to maneuver their way around a society hostile to them.
Hostile is too strong of a word for medieval society, rather women were expected to be submissive, but they had rights and some could be very powerful. Eleanor of Aquitaine is a prime example of a woman breaking the mold but also showing that it was, in fact, possible without much consequences. The Renaissance and the modern times were in some ways worse than medieval ages. Think what would happen to a woman who gave only two daughters in 15 years to, say, Henry VIII of England. There was a very effective smearing campaign on her in France when the 100 years war began and she was the reason that Aquitaine was in english hands. She is very unpopular in most of France even today, but she wasn't so when she was alive.
@@ClemDiamondParis was pretty much a sewer until Alienor arrived with her Aquaitaine Culture and civilized it, to the chargin of the clerics of St. Denis. Coco Chanel was a wannabe. Alienor is the one who brought high fashion to Paris, and much more. .
Not really creative. It's basically thru marriage and children like literally always. She was just better at marriage and children and had really good options available to her. Sorta handed to her technically.
I’ve read a bit about Eleanor and it was fascinating to read about how a young Eleanor was so used to a warm climate, Mediterranean feasts, bards singing songs during them, speaking her mind due to a great education and an overall colorful life. It was written that she felt very stifled in the drab, damp and boring Northern France and I would be too if I imagined myself forced to marry and endure the whiplash of the change (for awhile at least as seen as her leaving Louis)
@@ecurewitz yeah, but Henry knew how to put it down. Louis should have been a priest as far as she was concerned. At least, that's what she said. She and Louis never had kids, then she met Henry and started popping out kids left and right. Wish she'd have stopped before John, but, you know, magna carta and whatnot.
Fun fact, Eleanor's annulment was done on grounds of consanguinity as Louis VII was her second cousin. Henry, her second husband, was her first cousin.
Lmao i love that so much! When your new husband has a bigger army, bigger coffers, and is far more intelligent and ruthless nobody sweats the small stuff.
lol, but you got a source for that? Wikipedia claims her first husband was her 3rd cousin once removed, and her second husband was just her 3rd cousin (so your point still stands, but both of these would be borderline incestuous even by modern non-royal standards)
@@lucasduarte7889 he was a good commander, warrior, and for the times, a good person. But he was a bad king, using the kingdom as just a way to fund his wars
Yeah she’s always been a super interesting historical figure and I know extra credits does good work but they often come up short when doing videos about famous historical women. I’m sure this is them trying to fix that and I’m super happy they’ve listened to fans and picked such a interesting and important women to do a series about.
Oh, yay-Eleanor!!! I first learned about her in my early/medieval British history class in college, my professor just loved talking about her. He mentioned the rumor that the morning after her wedding night with Henry, she favorably compared his lovemaking to her first husband’s. I was really thrilled when doing my family genealogy a few years ago to discover a 10th great grandfather who was a gateway ancestor, someone whose family tree was well established back to William the Conqueror and then back to Charlemagne. Eleanor is my 26th great grandmother! I also have on that line a 17th great grandfather who was the stepfather of Margaret Beaufort, another medieval woman who deserves the EC treatment.
@@lephinor2458 In filling out my family tree on Ancestry. They have hints for people in their database that include things like photographs, census entries, birth and death records, as well as any personal stories or excerpts from books. My 10th great grandfather’s family tree was published in several books about a century ago. There are lots of people like him who are equally well-documented, especially amongst those who arrived in the New World in the earlier centuries of European colonization. I had no idea that my grandmother’s family was so firmly rooted in colonial America (over 85% of her side arrived in North America before 1700) until I started researching. I had just assumed they were 19th century immigrants like on my mother’s side.
@@lephinor2458 I will add that genealogy is a fascinating hobby! For me, though, the best discovery hasn’t been the royalty connection, it’s been the ordinary people who lived amazing lives that I can’t imagine. It’s the son of that gateway ancestor who lost nearly his entire family to a neighbor boy with an axe-his only surviving child grew up to be a religious dissenter in Connecticut. It’s the nieces and nephew of my 6th great grandfather (who fought in the Revolutionary War) who joined the Shakers. And best of all, it’s my great great grandmother who lived a life of so many twists and turns that I am doing the research to write a book about her. And it’s also the living people I’ve connected with! The people in online groups who exchange tips and provide support, and more importantly, it’s the distant cousins I’ve struck up email correspondence with who I never would have even heard of before this.
Well, the difference between language and dialect basically is State and institution's reconnaissance, and the French State that emerged from Île-de-France was the one to centralize and require documents in french (even though this happened in 1539, way after Elenor), so I think the use of dialect here is correct. The only official communication device at the moment was Latin, which was already falling in disuse. The langue of oil (that eventually would turn into french) was also technically a dialect at the time, and they never say "dialect of french" on the video.
To be honest, I'm not sure your average speaker of a Germanic language (like English) could tell where dialects in the Romance family falls. If you speak Romanian to us, then Catalan, and then "Standard" French, a lot of us might pick up they sound different, but we wouldn't be able to tell if they were 3 separate romance languages or 3 dialects of a Romance language. Some Germans might be able to if only due to enough Italian and French tourists that even if they don't understand either they can tell them apart.
@@elirodriguez4411 There are several definitions of "language" and "dialect". And, depending on the definition you choose, being a "dialect" doesn't necessarily mean not being a "language" (in that sense what the video says is not necessarily wrong). But most commonly a language is defined by a strong level of inter-comprehension between its speakers. And this is definitely the case for medieval Occitan, which had a large body of literature in a semi-standardised form, exchanged all around its speaking area and around Europe (for instance Catalan authors were often writing in standardised Occitan -aka "Llemosi"- rather than their own dialect). Also it wasn't as strongly dialectised as modern Occitan.
"The Lion in Winter", in which Katherine Hepburn plays Alienor of Aquitaine is one of the most quotable movies of all times and absolutely amazing and I will die on this hill!!!!!
I'll keep you company. With some quotes for good measure: Eleanor of Aquitaine: And when you die, which is regrettable but necessary, what will happen to frail Alais and her pruny prince? You can't think Richard's going to wait for your grotesque to grow. Henry II: You wouldn't let him do a thing like that. Eleanor of Aquitaine: Let him? I'd push him through the nursery door. Henry II: You're not that cruel. Eleanor of Aquitaine: Don't fret. We'll wait until you're dead to do it. Henry II: Eleanor, what do you want? Eleanor of Aquitaine: Just what you want, a king for a son. You can make more, I can't. You think I want to disappear? One son is all I've got, and you can blot him out and call me cruel? For these ten years you've lived with everything I've lost, and loved another woman through it all, and I am cruel? I could peel you like a pear and God himself would call it justice!
"I even made poor Louis take me on Crusade. How's that for blasphemy. I dressed my maids as Amazons and rode bare-breasted halfway to Damascus. Louis had a seizure and I damn near died of windburn... but the troops were dazzled."
I say to my sister that it's basically Arrested Development: Plantagenet Edition. Especially when Eleanor has the confession about not liking her children.
We have gotten Saladin, Pedro the second, Menelik the second and now Elenor. Can we continue the Civilization 6 tour by having either Tamar of Georgia or Jadwiga of Poland next?
I've always loved Eleanor of Aquitaine, based largely on reading A Proud Taste for Scarlet and Miniver by E.L. Koenigsburg as a child and on the fact that she is a minor character in my favorite Robin Hood movie (Disney's The Story of Robin Hood and His Merrie Men) and is a total badass. Very excited for this series!
Have you watched "The Lion in Winter"? Is an older and embittered Eleanor, but she is still amazing, the lines are endlessly quotable and the cast is entirely awesome!!
Ah Eleanor of Aquitaine. One of those historical figures whose lives read like a Medieval historical drama, with Eleanor being the main character the entire series and its convoluted plot twists revolves around.
Too bad his wife didn’t care much about him. Rumours of her sleeping with her uncle, being the one to suggest annulment, and ditching her first husband to marry the future king of England which further sparked the Hundred Years’ War, yeah not really a great woman if you think about it.
@@hoonshiming99 In her defense, she didn't suggest annulment until the cracks in her marriage started to show during the disaster that was the 2nd Crusade. And odds are the rumors were just that, rumors. Mere slander spread by nobles who didn't like her. A fairly common tactic then and now. Honestly, without knowing more, I'd say Eleanor was probably bitter and dis-satisfied with her husband long before the Crusade, but tried to make it work since that was her duty as a wife and queen. But things just kept piling up without being resolved. And in my opinion, Louis VII seems like he was a bit too much of a god-botherer to be any good at being a king or husband.
That's amazing! I've just reached the part in the podcast "The History of the English Language Podcasts" where he mentiones her and her critical role on influencing the English language!
I'm interested in starting a discussion: what topics do you think are not taught enough or even explored? Coming from an American angle, I think the Japanse occupation and Pacific resistance to the occupation, Byzantine history, Australian colonization, Bengal famine, and early North American exploration are good examples.
Most of the history in the middle east can be considered extremely important but under taught, with some of the greatest empires in history being based in this region. (Ex: The Persian Empire, Alexander, Parthians, Palmyrene's, Sassanid's and a lot of Caliphates further on) Honestly, a lot of Muslim goes untaught, even through a lot of important and interesting stuff happened in Muslim regions , most notably the Islamic golden age which gave us massive strides in maths, literature, medicine and more. (Including Coffee) As a brit, I don't remember touching on any of these thing's, bar a bit on Alexander as a person, not anything about his achievements and even then I was very young.
I always wanted to see Ferdinand graf Zeppelin, Junker (Prussian military nobility), Calvary Officer, War hero, and inventor of: Zeppelins (took the idea after a short trip to observe the American Civil War after riding in a hot air balloon), aerospace corporations (because he needed the infrastructure to build Zeppelins), and airlines (to sell the idea to the military _and_ the people). ;)
@@trev6004 Hard agree on middle eastern history. I took a course on premodern middle east in college and it was absolutely fascinating. While Europe's going through their "dark ages" there's this whole Islamic Golden Age going on. Additionally, I wish southeast asian history was taught more. Back in high school when talking about world history we only ever really discussed China, India, and Japan. No mention of the various southeastern trading kingdoms or anything else for that matter until the Vietnam War.
Although I'm of mainly Vietnamese extraction, I have two French-Canadian aunts: one of whom has broad Aquitanian heritage through Bordeaux specifically, but Gascony in general; and another whose origins are broadly from Champagne. Nice to see both places brought up seemingly so randomly.
I love this! My first exposure to Eleanor was in the movie The Lion in Winter with Kathrine Hepburn and Peter O’Toole, which saw the imagined Christmas court of Henry II. It was an amazing performance and show and since then it’s always wonderful to see any media represent one of the most interesting though little known female figures of history, either from CIV to this!
@@qdHazen To be honest, out of the three brothers in this movie, I believe he would have been the best king. A bit drab, but probably the most competent. I don't know about the historical Geoffrey though.
This gave some thoughts about Eleanor as the fabulous queen of England and France. I can't wait for more, and I love how you guys have done with history with animation, for it is worth watching videos on them. Can I ask you guys a question? By the way, I'm a massive fan of this channel, but I do not subscribe to the channel yet.
I’m attempting a different sort of Tudor Novel and Eleanor of Aquitaine is one of the inspirations and role models I’ll be drawing most heavily on, so I’m really excited to see you cover her!
I love the way that Medieval art struggles to capture human faces, often leaving characters with completely deadpan expressions. It makes every painting they're in drip with the energy of, "Oh no! Anyway..."
In the cases of saints or royalty, they're often made like that to demonstrate stoic endurance. Medieval art is highly symbolic, being accurate to real expression wasn't always the case. Though it's visible that medieval masonry is much more lively than illuminations in many instances.
@@hetalianotaku7103 Well, that's not untrue, but I wouldn't quite put it like that. Anyone can have the time and creativity to do a scribble on birch bark, and ink isn't exactly difficult to make... we do see an explosive growth of writing and drawing after the spread of paper in the late medieval period, but I'd say that what deserves to be made and preserved was perceived differently, more notably. The basic materials wouldn't have been unachievable for common folk, it's just that writing and drawing/painting were highly valued and I believe a common man might well have felt like doing something very inappropriate if he was to make a drawing of something mondänen since due to the aforementioned symbolic nature of medieval art, he would probably have been unable to be as nuanced as the monks and scribes, even though his art's degree of naturalism might not have been too different.
@@robinrehlinghaus1944 There were some exceptions, like the jack-of-all-trades Matthew Paris. But that other person was right. Monarchy was meant to be depicted symbolically at this time rather than realistically.
2:14 calling Occitan just a "dialect" is a huge understatement. Especially in modern times when the language and its speakers are fighting to not die out
But it's historically accurate. Even the "langue d'oil" which would eventually become modern french, was a dialect back then, as it wasn't used for official documents and government administration. That role was still filled by Latin. The distinction between dialect and language is merely political, the degree of "officialness. And, at that time, neither the langue d'oil (North) nor the langue d'oc (south) were official in any sense. Or maybe it's me, as in Spanish/french there's s distinction between langage/lenguaje (structures of communication) langue/lengua (official/institutionalized/nationwide) and dialect/dialecto (unoffi al/regional), whereas in English you use language as both communication and official definitions.
If one calls it a dialect, and I wouldn't, at the time being referred to it would be a dialect of Catalan. We are describing a group of languages that gradually change over distance with one end being Valencian and the other Genoan.
I'm liking this series so far but I can't wait for it to end. I'm pumped to watch the Easter Rising series! From what I've heard, this topic is controversial to some people and I love controversial topics. I would watch a whole series on the Cathar Crusade or the Muslim Conquest of India.
Hopefully one day you guys go over the life of Margaret Beaufort! The Mother of Henry Tudor and how she navigated her and her son's way through the wars of the roses and eventually to the throne
@@edisonlima4647 you were right! It's really well done! I'd still love to see how the extra credits team would present it though! Thanks for the recommendation!
I’m a huge fan of history, and my wife and I decided to name any sons we have after famous historical kings and any daughters after famous queens. Our firstborn is named Eleanor after this very queen, and it’s awesome that you guys have a great video series we can use to learn about her namesake.
I love that the pope built his own bed. A funny thought that a person so powerful he could influence the rulers of most of Europe would find enjoyment or pride in something mundane
Omg this is one of the funniest video’s y all ever made. The pope as marriage councillor suprised me. I was like wow damn what he do then? Oh makes sense, that’s on me, i set the bar too high
In Sid Meier's Civ 6, Eleanor is the ancestor to ten other leaders: Matthias Corvinus of Hungary Jadwiga of Poland Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands Queen Victoria of England Theodore Roosevelt of the US Joao III of Portugal Philip II of Spain Pedro II of Brazil Catherine di Medici of France and Queen Kristina of Sweden
@علي ياسر ususally civ leaders are one race one set of abilities, CIV 6 changed it so there's a national ability and a leader ability. this way you can have a peaceful Greek and a warrior Greek. they share a national ability but have a different leader ability
Duchess of Aquitaine in her own right. Wife to two Kings, mother to three Kings and two Queens, grandmother to four Kings and seven Queens, and ancestor to pretty much all of Europe.
The rich today behave no better. Imagine if the fallout from Prince Harry's split with his family over how they treated his wife led to a war between the US and Britain.
Looking forward to this, Eleanor is a truly fascinating character. I’m hoping we’ll see a cameo from William Marshall, another pivotal figure from this period who I’d love to see you take a crack at someday.
I am familiar with the name, but I can't say I remember much more about Eleanor aside from that. I'll have to watch the rest of the series and learn. Thank you for another interesting video! Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you, friends. ✝️ :)
Just about all I knew of Elanor of Aquitaine comes from Katherine Hepburn's character in The Lion in Winter movie version, which is one of my favorite Christmas movies. :D Glad to see Extra History doing these episodes.
@@friedchicken3789 yep, the king of Norway, his crusade was more or less a Viking raiding expedition as he sacked a Christian city in Spain (controlled by Christian’s as Spain was divided between Spanish kingdoms and Muslim caphlits), he then raided two of the three Balearic Islands which served as a base for Muslim pirates, he then came to Sicily and met duke roger the second. When he arrived at Jerusalem he was given several gifts and assisted in the siege of Sidon, afterwards he and his men went to Constantinople where he sold his ships for horses (a portion of his men also left his army to join the Varangian guard) and made his way home on foot.
I’m a substitute Ed tech in a high school right now and the teacher had forgotten the video she was going to show for medieval history, so she let me put on this series for the kids.
Yay! Eleanor of Aquitaine! I knew about all of these things in the video, but I didn't know about Louis's brother's hilarious death by tripping over a pig!
Hooooo boy, I can ALREADY tell this story is gonna get CRAZY. You think the Kardashians have a lot of family drama? Their family drama is TAME compared to the rivalry between King Henry and Queen Eleanor!
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Sup extra credits
OMG I LOVE THIS CHANNEL, No other historty shannel makes me feel so much glee to learn.
I have a question are yall able to do a episode on the Taiping rebellion?
Hum, Eleanor and her uncle being controversial? Really? In the time when the Holy Roman Empire was a thing? The only thing that was off limits for them was clones having sex.
Hey can you make a series on akber or Man Singh or Peshwa bajirao?
Thanks for acknowledging that the supposed affair between Eleanor and her uncle was basically just her being excited to spend time with someone who acted "normally".
Normanly, you say?
Who wouldn't greet their family?
There was no affair
@@cutekoala5492 I am dying to know how you plan to prove this assertion. I eagerly await your receipts.
To be fair, knowing how often people in relationships accuse each other of things they are doing themselves. It seems odd that she would suggest annulment for being too closely related. Unless of course she was having relations with a family member, then it would make sense.
Ok, in one episode we got a prince killed by a pig, a church burning with 1200 innocent lives, a crusade disastrous even for the average results of those expeditions, pirates, a Pope serving as a matchmaker, and a divorce happening before Henry VIII.
Ah, the Medieval times...
Divorces were always possible in the Catholic church, if there were reasonable grounds. Nobles often, like Eleanor here, claimed they were too closely related, while not being able to procreate was also a legitimate reason. IIRC there was a court case in England where a wife sought divorce on the grounds that her husband was impotent, and the court assigned three women to attempt to arouse him. The women verified the wife's claims and divorce was granted. The reason Henry VIII was so pissed was that he didn't get one, even though he thought he had a good case.
@@Oxtocoatl13 Tecnically not a divorce because the Catholic Church does not allow divorces. The loophole is annulment, by which they say that proper-official-forrealsies marriage never happened and so is invalid, which is why they have to ask the Pope permission
We still are lacking a horse becoming Emperor of Rome for a proper CKII experience.
In Medieval France, just another Tuesday
Technically a king killed by a pig... Philip was a Junior King, so even if he never ruled since he died before his father, he was still a king!
It's always endlessly fascinating watching the creative ways in which women like Eleanor were able to maneuver their way around a society hostile to them.
Hostile is too strong of a word for medieval society, rather women were expected to be submissive, but they had rights and some could be very powerful. Eleanor of Aquitaine is a prime example of a woman breaking the mold but also showing that it was, in fact, possible without much consequences.
The Renaissance and the modern times were in some ways worse than medieval ages. Think what would happen to a woman who gave only two daughters in 15 years to, say, Henry VIII of England.
There was a very effective smearing campaign on her in France when the 100 years war began and she was the reason that Aquitaine was in english hands. She is very unpopular in most of France even today, but she wasn't so when she was alive.
@@ClemDiamond nice
@@ClemDiamond >> Thanks for the information, good points.
@@ClemDiamondParis was pretty much a sewer until Alienor arrived with her Aquaitaine Culture and civilized it, to the chargin of the clerics of St. Denis.
Coco Chanel was a wannabe. Alienor is the one who brought high fashion to Paris, and much more.
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Not really creative. It's basically thru marriage and children like literally always. She was just better at marriage and children and had really good options available to her. Sorta handed to her technically.
I’ve read a bit about Eleanor and it was fascinating to read about how a young Eleanor was so used to a warm climate, Mediterranean feasts, bards singing songs during them, speaking her mind due to a great education and an overall colorful life.
It was written that she felt very stifled in the drab, damp and boring Northern France and I would be too if I imagined myself forced to marry and endure the whiplash of the change (for awhile at least as seen as her leaving Louis)
And once she realized northern France was bad, wait till she got to England.
@@ecurewitz yeah, but Henry knew how to put it down. Louis should have been a priest as far as she was concerned. At least, that's what she said. She and Louis never had kids, then she met Henry and started popping out kids left and right. Wish she'd have stopped before John, but, you know, magna carta and whatnot.
@@NinjaGrrrl7734 "Never had kids"
They had 2 daughters.
@@ClemDiamond beat me to it
@@ClemDiamond But she got a son from Henry immediately and thus a prince. Loius must have felt pretty dumb and insulted when he learned.
Matt turning to his left near the end sends a chill down my spine and I don't know why
He always tries to get his good side on camera but sometimes things just doing work out.
@@extrahistory WALPOLE STICKER HOW?!?!
SAME
@@mccoyfleming6664 It was Walpole. He made the sticker
How did you post this 1 day ago if this video has been up for around 2 hours
"The Pope's sexy time bed" is a phrase that cannot be unheard and will now live rent free in my mind. 😆
Same😭
Fun fact, Eleanor's annulment was done on grounds of consanguinity as Louis VII was her second cousin.
Henry, her second husband, was her first cousin.
So Eleanor divorced her first husband because he wasn't closely related enough to keep the bloodline pure?
Standard medieval stuff
Lmao i love that so much! When your new husband has a bigger army, bigger coffers, and is far more intelligent and ruthless nobody sweats the small stuff.
lol, but you got a source for that? Wikipedia claims her first husband was her 3rd cousin once removed, and her second husband was just her 3rd cousin (so your point still stands, but both of these would be borderline incestuous even by modern non-royal standards)
Henry was her 3rd cousin tho?
To quote Lord Norwich: ''Eleanor of Aquitaine, married to one of Englands greatest kings and mother to two of it's worst.''
Richard wasn't a bad king at all... atleast he was good in military
@@lucasduarte7889 he was a good commander, warrior, and for the times, a good person. But he was a bad king, using the kingdom as just a way to fund his wars
Eleanor: I want a divorce.
The pope: I have a better idea :) * dims the candles while playing the medieval version of Let's get it on *
I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU GUYS DID AN EPISODE ON ELEANOR !!! SO EXCITED!!!!!!!!
Not just an episode either, a full on series. HYPE!
Yeah she’s always been a super interesting historical figure and I know extra credits does good work but they often come up short when doing videos about famous historical women. I’m sure this is them trying to fix that and I’m super happy they’ve listened to fans and picked such a interesting and important women to do a series about.
You're excited!!! WE'RE EXCITED! Rob has been on the edge of his seat waiting for this video to hit RUclips!
“Horse tripped over a pig” sounds like something you’d see in America’s Funniest Home Videos LOL!
I like how the illustration has all of the retainers looking up at the sky like, "Really, God? This is how he goes?"
Did the pig swallow a fly?
@@alexandergangaware429 Something out of some wacky comedy movie.
@@alf513 Good question.
The fact that a painting of a pig tripping a horse exists proves that the people during that time found it as hilarious as it was tragic
Well, the crown prince being killed by a pig was certainly a big deal. Nowadays we'd do Netflix specials, but they did the best they could!
Oh, yay-Eleanor!!! I first learned about her in my early/medieval British history class in college, my professor just loved talking about her. He mentioned the rumor that the morning after her wedding night with Henry, she favorably compared his lovemaking to her first husband’s.
I was really thrilled when doing my family genealogy a few years ago to discover a 10th great grandfather who was a gateway ancestor, someone whose family tree was well established back to William the Conqueror and then back to Charlemagne. Eleanor is my 26th great grandmother! I also have on that line a 17th great grandfather who was the stepfather of Margaret Beaufort, another medieval woman who deserves the EC treatment.
Pretty much everyone in Europe is related to Charlemagne.
How did you find out.
@@lephinor2458 In filling out my family tree on Ancestry. They have hints for people in their database that include things like photographs, census entries, birth and death records, as well as any personal stories or excerpts from books. My 10th great grandfather’s family tree was published in several books about a century ago. There are lots of people like him who are equally well-documented, especially amongst those who arrived in the New World in the earlier centuries of European colonization. I had no idea that my grandmother’s family was so firmly rooted in colonial America (over 85% of her side arrived in North America before 1700) until I started researching. I had just assumed they were 19th century immigrants like on my mother’s side.
@@lephinor2458 I will add that genealogy is a fascinating hobby! For me, though, the best discovery hasn’t been the royalty connection, it’s been the ordinary people who lived amazing lives that I can’t imagine. It’s the son of that gateway ancestor who lost nearly his entire family to a neighbor boy with an axe-his only surviving child grew up to be a religious dissenter in Connecticut. It’s the nieces and nephew of my 6th great grandfather (who fought in the Revolutionary War) who joined the Shakers. And best of all, it’s my great great grandmother who lived a life of so many twists and turns that I am doing the research to write a book about her.
And it’s also the living people I’ve connected with! The people in online groups who exchange tips and provide support, and more importantly, it’s the distant cousins I’ve struck up email correspondence with who I never would have even heard of before this.
Americans are always so obsessed with ancestry.
Well, Occitan isn't a dialect of French. It's a completely different language, more closely related to Catalan than to French.
They messed up the first crusading king as well, so they havent done their proper research for this one.
Well, the difference between language and dialect basically is State and institution's reconnaissance, and the French State that emerged from Île-de-France was the one to centralize and require documents in french (even though this happened in 1539, way after Elenor), so I think the use of dialect here is correct. The only official communication device at the moment was Latin, which was already falling in disuse. The langue of oil (that eventually would turn into french) was also technically a dialect at the time, and they never say "dialect of french" on the video.
To be honest, I'm not sure your average speaker of a Germanic language (like English) could tell where dialects in the Romance family falls. If you speak Romanian to us, then Catalan, and then "Standard" French, a lot of us might pick up they sound different, but we wouldn't be able to tell if they were 3 separate romance languages or 3 dialects of a Romance language. Some Germans might be able to if only due to enough Italian and French tourists that even if they don't understand either they can tell them apart.
on va te franciser comme les romains l'ont fait aux gaulois
@@elirodriguez4411 There are several definitions of "language" and "dialect". And, depending on the definition you choose, being a "dialect" doesn't necessarily mean not being a "language" (in that sense what the video says is not necessarily wrong). But most commonly a language is defined by a strong level of inter-comprehension between its speakers. And this is definitely the case for medieval Occitan, which had a large body of literature in a semi-standardised form, exchanged all around its speaking area and around Europe (for instance Catalan authors were often writing in standardised Occitan -aka "Llemosi"- rather than their own dialect). Also it wasn't as strongly dialectised as modern Occitan.
"The Lion in Winter", in which Katherine Hepburn plays Alienor of Aquitaine is one of the most quotable movies of all times and absolutely amazing and I will die on this hill!!!!!
I'll keep you company. With some quotes for good measure:
Eleanor of Aquitaine: And when you die, which is regrettable but necessary, what will happen to frail Alais and her pruny prince? You can't think Richard's going to wait for your grotesque to grow.
Henry II: You wouldn't let him do a thing like that.
Eleanor of Aquitaine: Let him? I'd push him through the nursery door.
Henry II: You're not that cruel.
Eleanor of Aquitaine: Don't fret. We'll wait until you're dead to do it.
Henry II: Eleanor, what do you want?
Eleanor of Aquitaine: Just what you want, a king for a son. You can make more, I can't. You think I want to disappear? One son is all I've got, and you can blot him out and call me cruel? For these ten years you've lived with everything I've lost, and loved another woman through it all, and I am cruel? I could peel you like a pear and God himself would call it justice!
"He married out of love a woman out of legend. Never in Rome, Alexandria or Camelot has there been such a queen."
"I even made poor Louis take me on Crusade. How's that for blasphemy. I dressed my maids as Amazons and rode bare-breasted halfway to Damascus. Louis had a seizure and I damn near died of windburn... but the troops were dazzled."
"Well, what family doesn't have its ups and downs?"
I say to my sister that it's basically Arrested Development: Plantagenet Edition. Especially when Eleanor has the confession about not liking her children.
You cannot even begin to understand how happy I am to see a serie about Aliénord of Aquitaine, a huge thank you to the team from an Aquitanian men
We have gotten Saladin, Pedro the second, Menelik the second and now Elenor. Can we continue the Civilization 6 tour by having either Tamar of Georgia or Jadwiga of Poland next?
King Louis the 6th: Yo two minors, get married real quick
At least they were near each other in age
Truly a woman with HUGE tracts of land!
No, really, her duchy was enormous.
Oh here we go! Mother of Richard the Lionheart and Queen of Two Courts of Love.
I've always loved Eleanor of Aquitaine, based largely on reading A Proud Taste for Scarlet and Miniver by E.L. Koenigsburg as a child and on the fact that she is a minor character in my favorite Robin Hood movie (Disney's The Story of Robin Hood and His Merrie Men) and is a total badass. Very excited for this series!
Have you watched "The Lion in Winter"?
Is an older and embittered Eleanor, but she is still amazing, the lines are endlessly quotable and the cast is entirely awesome!!
@@edisonlima4647 I have seen it, but it was a long time ago, and I barely remember it! I guess it's time for a rewatch!
Eleanor is one of my favorite historic female figures, I often consider her as the Cleopatra of France.
“King Louis the fat” that’s my favorite😂
Ah Eleanor of Aquitaine. One of those historical figures whose lives read like a Medieval historical drama, with Eleanor being the main character the entire series and its convoluted plot twists revolves around.
Luis seems like a good husband.Definitely treated his wife better than most kings at his time
Louis.
Too bad his wife didn’t care much about him. Rumours of her sleeping with her uncle, being the one to suggest annulment, and ditching her first husband to marry the future king of England which further sparked the Hundred Years’ War, yeah not really a great woman if you think about it.
@@hoonshiming99 In her defense, she didn't suggest annulment until the cracks in her marriage started to show during the disaster that was the 2nd Crusade. And odds are the rumors were just that, rumors. Mere slander spread by nobles who didn't like her. A fairly common tactic then and now.
Honestly, without knowing more, I'd say Eleanor was probably bitter and dis-satisfied with her husband long before the Crusade, but tried to make it work since that was her duty as a wife and queen. But things just kept piling up without being resolved. And in my opinion, Louis VII seems like he was a bit too much of a god-botherer to be any good at being a king or husband.
@@Darkgun231 god-botherer?
@@hoonshiming99 lmao because of rumours? She’s not a bad woman for wanting to leave a marriage she didn’t want to be in
That's amazing! I've just reached the part in the podcast "The History of the English Language Podcasts" where he mentiones her and her critical role on influencing the English language!
"This made him the first king to go on crusade"
Sigurd the first of Norway: Am I a joke to you?
7:56 The abrupt animation scared me
I'm interested in starting a discussion: what topics do you think are not taught enough or even explored? Coming from an American angle, I think the Japanse occupation and Pacific resistance to the occupation, Byzantine history, Australian colonization, Bengal famine, and early North American exploration are good examples.
You hit a fair chunk of the big ones. I'd like to learn a bit more about European colonialism in Africa.
Most of the history in the middle east can be considered extremely important but under taught, with some of the greatest empires in history being based in this region. (Ex: The Persian Empire, Alexander, Parthians, Palmyrene's, Sassanid's and a lot of Caliphates further on) Honestly, a lot of Muslim goes untaught, even through a lot of important and interesting stuff happened in Muslim regions , most notably the Islamic golden age which gave us massive strides in maths, literature, medicine and more. (Including Coffee) As a brit, I don't remember touching on any of these thing's, bar a bit on Alexander as a person, not anything about his achievements and even then I was very young.
I always wanted to see Ferdinand graf Zeppelin, Junker (Prussian military nobility), Calvary Officer, War hero, and inventor of: Zeppelins (took the idea after a short trip to observe the American Civil War after riding in a hot air balloon), aerospace corporations (because he needed the infrastructure to build Zeppelins), and airlines (to sell the idea to the military _and_ the people). ;)
@@trev6004 Hard agree on middle eastern history. I took a course on premodern middle east in college and it was absolutely fascinating. While Europe's going through their "dark ages" there's this whole Islamic Golden Age going on. Additionally, I wish southeast asian history was taught more. Back in high school when talking about world history we only ever really discussed China, India, and Japan. No mention of the various southeastern trading kingdoms or anything else for that matter until the Vietnam War.
The amazing African kingdoms.
I love Eleonor's story ! Thanks for covering this great figure of both French and English history.
Although I'm of mainly Vietnamese extraction, I have two French-Canadian aunts:
one of whom has broad Aquitanian heritage through Bordeaux specifically, but Gascony in general; and another whose origins are broadly from Champagne. Nice to see both places brought up seemingly so randomly.
6:45, finally marriage counseling that works
Who needs soap operas, when we got medieval history?
I absolutely love this thumbnail format! It looks so nice!
I love this! My first exposure to Eleanor was in the movie The Lion in Winter with Kathrine Hepburn and Peter O’Toole, which saw the imagined Christmas court of Henry II. It was an amazing performance and show and since then it’s always wonderful to see any media represent one of the most interesting though little known female figures of history, either from CIV to this!
Having played her son Geoffrey in “The Lion in Winter,” this will be a very interesting series for me.
Then you must be very knowledgeable...
"Oh, but who ever thinks of poor Geoffrey?"
No one *ever* thinks of crowns and mentions Geoffrey. Why is that?
@@qdHazen To be honest, out of the three brothers in this movie, I believe he would have been the best king. A bit drab, but probably the most competent. I don't know about the historical Geoffrey though.
Thanks ♥
Thank you so much for supporting the show Mangetsuno!
I remember bits and pieces of this from reading _A Proud Taste for Scarlet and Miniver_ in middle school. Looking forward to more!
This gave some thoughts about Eleanor as the fabulous queen of England and France. I can't wait for more, and I love how you guys have done with history with animation, for it is worth watching videos on them. Can I ask you guys a question? By the way, I'm a massive fan of this channel, but I do not subscribe to the channel yet.
Eleanor is the coolest. Can't wait to see her life animated (and for Lies after all this is done)
I’m attempting a different sort of Tudor Novel and Eleanor of Aquitaine is one of the inspirations and role models I’ll be drawing most heavily on, so I’m really excited to see you cover her!
Good luck in writing it 😊👍
Good luck on your book!
I love the continuity on the crusade/Saladin episodes.
I love the way that Medieval art struggles to capture human faces, often leaving characters with completely deadpan expressions. It makes every painting they're in drip with the energy of, "Oh no! Anyway..."
In the cases of saints or royalty, they're often made like that to demonstrate stoic endurance. Medieval art is highly symbolic, being accurate to real expression wasn't always the case. Though it's visible that medieval masonry is much more lively than illuminations in many instances.
@@robinrehlinghaus1944 Even so, it's still funny.
@@robinrehlinghaus1944 Not to mention paper and art tools were often expensive. And few people had any time to refine any artistic skills.
@@hetalianotaku7103 Well, that's not untrue, but I wouldn't quite put it like that. Anyone can have the time and creativity to do a scribble on birch bark, and ink isn't exactly difficult to make... we do see an explosive growth of writing and drawing after the spread of paper in the late medieval period, but I'd say that what deserves to be made and preserved was perceived differently, more notably. The basic materials wouldn't have been unachievable for common folk, it's just that writing and drawing/painting were highly valued and I believe a common man might well have felt like doing something very inappropriate if he was to make a drawing of something mondänen since due to the aforementioned symbolic nature of medieval art, he would probably have been unable to be as nuanced as the monks and scribes, even though his art's degree of naturalism might not have been too different.
@@robinrehlinghaus1944 There were some exceptions, like the jack-of-all-trades Matthew Paris. But that other person was right. Monarchy was meant to be depicted symbolically at this time rather than realistically.
It's so sad that she had to leave her daughters. Eleanor is absolutely an amazing heckin' lady.
Eleanor is a fascinating person. I requested that you do a series on her -- I'm sure I'm not the only one who did so -- thank you for this!
And she’s going to cause a rivalry that will last nearly a thousand years…
I really liked this video, I'm Aquitainian and I'm glad you're making videos about our most famous duchess ^^
Aw, the cat looks so cute in a crown.
Love the new style for the thumbnail
2:14 calling Occitan just a "dialect" is a huge understatement. Especially in modern times when the language and its speakers are fighting to not die out
But it's historically accurate. Even the "langue d'oil" which would eventually become modern french, was a dialect back then, as it wasn't used for official documents and government administration. That role was still filled by Latin. The distinction between dialect and language is merely political, the degree of "officialness. And, at that time, neither the langue d'oil (North) nor the langue d'oc (south) were official in any sense.
Or maybe it's me, as in Spanish/french there's s distinction between langage/lenguaje (structures of communication) langue/lengua (official/institutionalized/nationwide) and dialect/dialecto (unoffi al/regional), whereas in English you use language as both communication and official definitions.
If one calls it a dialect, and I wouldn't, at the time being referred to it would be a dialect of Catalan. We are describing a group of languages that gradually change over distance with one end being Valencian and the other Genoan.
Nice love all these animated medieval stories.
I love this new art, I've been watching for so long and I love this channel.
Accidentally massacring 1200 people, that's a bit of a "bruh" moment even by medieval standards.
I'm liking this series so far but I can't wait for it to end. I'm pumped to watch the Easter Rising series! From what I've heard, this topic is controversial to some people and I love controversial topics. I would watch a whole series on the Cathar Crusade or the Muslim Conquest of India.
Same here! I can hardly wait for that series. In 2016 we went on an unforgettable group tour of Ireland for the centennial of the Rising.
@@margaretcarter6483 Any favorite sites while you were there?
Hopefully one day you guys go over the life of Margaret Beaufort! The Mother of Henry Tudor and how she navigated her and her son's way through the wars of the roses and eventually to the throne
That BBC monumentally well toned documentary on her ending their cycle of docus on The Wars of the Roses is impossible to match, though...
@@edisonlima4647 I wasn't aware the BBC did one! I'll have to check it after work!
@@edisonlima4647 you were right! It's really well done! I'd still love to see how the extra credits team would present it though!
Thanks for the recommendation!
I'm looking forward to this Extra Credits series on Eleanor of Aquitaine - one of the greatest women in history :)
Just when i thought this channel couldn't get any better, Blackadder references
This is fantastic! I have been hyperfixated on Eleanor of Aquitaine for a few weeks. Books research, now this!
I’m a huge fan of history, and my wife and I decided to name any sons we have after famous historical kings and any daughters after famous queens. Our firstborn is named Eleanor after this very queen, and it’s awesome that you guys have a great video series we can use to learn about her namesake.
Welp, time to play all of "The Lion in Winter" in my head now.
The pope has some interesting ways to counsel 🤣
I love that the pope built his own bed. A funny thought that a person so powerful he could influence the rulers of most of Europe would find enjoyment or pride in something mundane
I am so happy to have gotten this specific video for history homework! I constantly see the worst parent shorts, and overall love this channel’s work!
Phrases you never think you will hear
"The Pope's sexy time bed"
Omg this is one of the funniest video’s y all ever made. The pope as marriage councillor suprised me. I was like wow damn what he do then? Oh makes sense, that’s on me, i set the bar too high
"Wearing gowns and collecting crowns"
Haha 😂 I love that line
"who?! I've never even HEARD of that name?!"
how i know it's gonna become one of my favorite series by you guys ;)
1:44
“Excellent work, agent 47. Now make your way to the extraction point.”
In Sid Meier's Civ 6, Eleanor is the ancestor to ten other leaders:
Matthias Corvinus of Hungary
Jadwiga of Poland
Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands
Queen Victoria of England
Theodore Roosevelt of the US
Joao III of Portugal
Philip II of Spain
Pedro II of Brazil
Catherine di Medici of France
and Queen Kristina of Sweden
And of course can be the leader of France or England
An in-law for Matthias's case, though
@علي ياسر ususally civ leaders are one race one set of abilities, CIV 6 changed it so there's a national ability and a leader ability. this way you can have a peaceful Greek and a warrior Greek. they share a national ability but have a different leader ability
Duchess of Aquitaine in her own right. Wife to two Kings, mother to three Kings and two Queens, grandmother to four Kings and seven Queens, and ancestor to pretty much all of Europe.
So, new style of thumbnail? Oh this is gonna be awesome!
If only they had proper marrige councillors back then, this could have spared France the inconvenience of the Hundred Years War.
The rich today behave no better. Imagine if the fallout from Prince Harry's split with his family over how they treated his wife led to a war between the US and Britain.
No because England would have inherited Anjou and Maine anyway
But look at this fancy pope bed! Isn't it nice?
First time a king went on crusade? What about king Sigurd of Norway?
Fair point!
That was the Crusade equivalent of an OK spin off tv series that nobody really cared about. This is the actual Second Crusade.
FINALLY, Eleanor, yay! Thanks so much!
This is an exciting series for me as a civ player from England who was pretty surprised to have a leader that I'd never heard of representing England
Looking forward to this, Eleanor is a truly fascinating character. I’m hoping we’ll see a cameo from William Marshall, another pivotal figure from this period who I’d love to see you take a crack at someday.
Well, Louis wasn't the first king to go on a Crusade, that would be King Sigurd "The Crusader" of Norway.
Great vid so far!
I am familiar with the name, but I can't say I remember much more about Eleanor aside from that. I'll have to watch the rest of the series and learn. Thank you for another interesting video!
Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you, friends. ✝️ :)
These videos are so great. I really enjoy them.
YAS!!! ELEANOR!!! MA GRRL!!!
Just about all I knew of Elanor of Aquitaine comes from Katherine Hepburn's character in The Lion in Winter movie version, which is one of my favorite Christmas movies. :D Glad to see Extra History doing these episodes.
What a great choice for a Christmas movie!!
"What shall we hang, the holy or each other?" describes my family gatherings surprisingly well. Lol
& Hepburn make his British debut film
ahhhh one of the main people that made the english and french not get on to this day, she's super intresting though
Eleanor of Aquitaine? HELL YES!!!
my name is April, and I will say, I did not to expect to be so sternly directly adressed right at the start of the video
OOOOOHHH a non orange background thumbnail! Intriguing!
I've been waiting for y'all to do a series on her! Yay!
Eleanor is one of my favourite historical women, she was such a badass.
5:06 Im sorry but it was not the first time a king had gone on crusade.
Correct i believe the first was Sigurd the Crusader
@@friedchicken3789 yep, the king of Norway, his crusade was more or less a Viking raiding expedition as he sacked a Christian city in Spain (controlled by Christian’s as Spain was divided between Spanish kingdoms and Muslim caphlits), he then raided two of the three Balearic Islands which served as a base for Muslim pirates, he then came to Sicily and met duke roger the second. When he arrived at Jerusalem he was given several gifts and assisted in the siege of Sidon, afterwards he and his men went to Constantinople where he sold his ships for horses (a portion of his men also left his army to join the Varangian guard) and made his way home on foot.
@@WitcherGerdNo, he sacked Sidon in Syria (modern day Lebanon).
That was the Crusade equivalent to a forgotten spin off series. This was the actual Second Crusade.
Eleanor had four times as many kids with Henry in her 30s/40s than with Louis in her teens/20s. It's fair to say Eleanor wasn't the problem...
I’m a substitute Ed tech in a high school right now and the teacher had forgotten the video she was going to show for medieval history, so she let me put on this series for the kids.
Yay! Eleanor of Aquitaine! I knew about all of these things in the video, but I didn't know about Louis's brother's hilarious death by tripping over a pig!
Oh, boy!
Now THIS is a 1st episode
Such juicy medieval drama
Hooooo boy, I can ALREADY tell this story is gonna get CRAZY. You think the Kardashians have a lot of family drama? Their family drama is TAME compared to the rivalry between King Henry and Queen Eleanor!
A video thats 10 minutes exactly i love it
The prequel to “The Lion In Winter”! Yes!
Wow! I enjoy the new art style. It looks nice.
This is the funniest history story I've ever heard. I lost it the moment you said "Her Uncle" lol.
4:21 This is clearly a 17th century style castle. Not a medieval church.