Conor mcgregor aka MCTAPPER is the biggest bum in the history of sports. He got mauled by KHABIB and begged for his life, choked unconscious by a bum Nate Diaz and knocked tf out twice by a journeyman Dustin poirier, he’s also a rayephist, a drцg addict, and sucker punches innocent people.
As a die hard ducks fan. We are very good at drafting people and trading them the other teams to win the cup. Look how many duck draftees won the cup the past 7 years it’s insane….our process works. Just let it play out and pay em.
William Karlsson, Shea theodore, the defense man on Florida to name a few..and they kept Getzlaf way too long..zegras is a showboat and should be on a barnstorming team..he is a little wimp pussy and overrated..not tough at all
Zegras isn’t the type of guy to win a team a cup. He’s skilled but he has no win-drive in him. Drysdale on the other hand, could be a top 10 defensemen for quite a few years
Points don't matter if you're a net minus player. If for every goal you participate in there is one or more against, you are a liability, not a asset to the team. Management knows this, but the public likes lacrosse goals so, there you go.@@matthewkabel6246
Conor mcgregor aka MCTAPPER is the biggest bum in the history of sports. He got mauled by KHABIB and begged for his life, choked unconscious by a bum Nate Diaz and knocked tf out twice by a journeyman Dustin poirier, he’s also a rayephist, a drцg addict, and sucker punches innocent people.
i think ducks know zegras wants to go back to the east coast and they know after the bridge deal it's 100% he's a goner , so they're trying to get him as cheap as possible for the next 3 years
@@jomh832 does he need to do that, or do other guys on the team need to be taking on that role? You can't have 12 Trevor Zegras style players as your forward core, but he's a high end offensive talent. The Ducks need that.
Hey Eck, I've seen this take all over the internet and honestly it's missing the context. Zegras is flatly uninterested in a long-term contract and has indicated the only deal he'll sign is a bridge contact. Okay, not ideal but it is what it is. The cap is expected to climb in a couple years and I understand wanting to take a piece of that larger pie. The rub here is that Zegras' camp, seemingly, wants both a bridge deal AND the cap hit you'd normally associate with long-term signings. So not only is he asking for 7/8+ million a season, but he wants that in a bridge contract. His numbers aside (his points and PIM don't reflect that cap hit at all), this would put the Ducks in an awful position when that contract is up and we need to +20% his contract for a QO. If he doesn't live up to be a 10+ million player, which again is very much not guaranteed, we basically lose him for nothing.
zegras wants to go back to the east coast , ducks know he's a goner after the bridge deal so they're trying to get him for the next 3 years as cheap as possible
I don't think it's anything like that. Zegras seems to really enjoy the SoCal lifestyle and is a well-documented... enjoyer of OC women. I think the most important thing to Zegras is getting paid what he believes he's worth. The issue is that what he believes he's worth doesn't really match with comparables across the league. I love the kid and want him to get his due, but he's proven time and time again that he's very self-centered with how he approaches things.
I know Verbeek is negotiating. But it seems there is something more than just money goin on right now. I wonder if its some kind of attitude situation? Whatever it is, gotta get it done. I know Kariya, Selanne, and Niedermayer are advising in the background too... I'm pretty confident they wont lose out.
@@matthewkabel6246 there are so many better playmakers 😂 he’s good but he’s far from “the best pure playmaker” 💀💀💀 Mitch marner would be considered a pure playmaker and he’s leagues better than zegras.
Zegras hasn't proved anything in the NHL. He was given essentially top line minutes for a number of years, now, and his faceoffs and two-way game is at the bottom of league. The proof is in the games played against the other team's best players. Almost all star prospects have a tougher life. Zegras got the red carpet treatment already and has not proven to be a top line player on a good team at this point of his career. 60 points minimum is expected by forwards given big minutes every night. And 60 points is not great for the type of minutes he got. There are better centres already commanding less money who could step in and help a team win. This is a fair deal. Good on Verbeek for making sure Terry got his.
@MisterCaution Not when he can't win more faceoffs than the men who excel at them and eventually get more +/- because his competition his winning games directly against him
@MisterCaution Yes, they do. What are you talking about? Only a handful of top centers can command more than 7 million and they have to be at least 48% success rate on the draws or get 80 points a year. This is precisely why R Strome isn't a top C, nor is Zibanejad, nor is Compher. They are between 5 and 9 mill...Zegras is a fair deal, not too cheap, not too expensive. Tavares got his 11 mill per annum contract because he is one of the best at faceoffs and produces a high amount of points, the same goes for Matthews, Kopitar, Hischier...Coyle is okay at faceoffs and points but is still worth his money vs Zegras at 5+ mill....
If they’re lowballing Zegras that much, my guess is that they want to trade him. You don’t treat someone like this if you see a long term future with them.
Team point leader. One of the most exciting players in the league. No one cares, and Verbeek is smart. Zegras is gimmicky that’s it. Not a complete player, and would get throttled by absolutely anyone anytime. His 5.75 a year for 3 years is perfect for him.
Franchise talent, like a offensive duo, one big defenseman and maybe 1 goalie is what you need to win cups. Veterans and support players can be signed as needed going forward, there is a lot of these The hard part is getting superstars. It's way easier to build up that corpus from drafting than it is from trading. If the ducks have self respect they should not let these players slide. At least I think it applies to zegras
bingo! this is exactly what i've been saying , ducks know he's a goner after the bridge deal so they're trying to get him for these next 3 years as cheap as possible ... if ducks were smart they should know they're going to need to replace z's offense and should be tanking one final time to pick up celebrini or eiserman in next years draft
Pat Verbeek is cast in the same mold as Steve Yzerman. I dare dub this somewhat clickbait, because I believe he'll sign them both, and is just trying to get the dollar amount as team friendly as possible. No team has ever won Lord Stanley's Cup with a player over 10m.
Fax im not a ducks fan but when they picked leo carrlson over adam fantilli i was like “omg what are you doing anahiem! You had fantilli in the palm of your hands and you blew it!” Columbus got lucky the ducks practically handed fantilli to them.
@@calebkent6706 I’d imagine, during the draft, right after Ducks pick Carlson, the guy from Columbus is just sitting there with his thumbs in his pockets going “so uhhhh…… I guess we pick Fantili? Is this really happening right now? We get Fantilli?”
Leo’s quietly been phenomenal in the preseason, his game just isn’t loud like Fantilli’s. Fantilli’s a better player currently because of his physical tools, being quicker and more of a shot threat etc but Leo’s intelligence and innate two way ability can’t be taught. He’s also a far better playmaker than Fantilli and still has room to grow into his body despite having an already thicker frame. Both elite players, just completely different styles
Also this “dumpster fire of an organization” has the best defensive prospect pool in the league, including being the first franchise ever to have prospects win defenseman of the year in all three CHL leagues (Zellweger WHL, Mintyukov OHL, Luneau QMJHL)
@@matthewkabel6246 Well my comment aged like milk. It’s still early in the season but the boys are buzzing in Anaheim. Maybe it’s the new coach, maybe the GM sees a bigger picture I don’t. And maybe Leo was a better fit for that bigger picture.
They’re taking advantage that every team is like 6 dollars below the cap hit so no one can send an offer sheet. So they’re just trying to milk this dry. Which is disgusting.
I don't think they're being ridiculous. Zegras is a flash in the pan and thinks he's already a superstar. I think McTavish gets more points than him this year. Sure Zegras is flashy and puts butts in seats, but his stats are padded because I think it's around 90-95% of his "starts" are in the offensive zone AND on PP . Dude doesn't know defense (Zegras -24 in 22-23, McTavish -19 with 20 less points to make up for the +/-). McTavish is more of a rounded player and he's only making 1 mil a year atm. And before someone complains about TOI. It's about the same Mctavish averaging 16 minutes, Zegras averaging 18 minutes.
@@Peksisarvinen Yah, +/- is a pretty bad stat but combine that with TOI and points overall. It's a wash. McTavish is a better 2 way player than Zegras, and Zegras WILL fall off going into this 3rd year and people "knowing" his tricks. Hit me up in 2 years when McTavish is up for a contract.
+/- stat doesn´t say much if both players are pretty even but compare someone like Ovi scoring same points as crosby but being -60 worse is a clear sign that Ovi sucks. @@Peksisarvinen
+/- is the worst stat to use when comparing players. Especially players on the same team. That stat tanks when you get put on penalty kill so essentially you get punished for being good on defense. It’s the dumbest stat in hockey IMO.
They probably want to see him become a little more mature. 88 penalty minutes last season, which is a lot for a guy like him. Players know how to get under his skin and make him take a penalty. Not good at faceoffs and bad defensively. I got to agree with the Ducks on this one. He has a lot of skill, but also has a lot to prove.
@@rbb2543 That is the problem, Zegras will make an occasional highlight reel play, but is a horrible 2 way player who will pass up a solid offense play or pass in order to gamble to try to make a flashy play... and more often than not, will miss. His own AGENT called him out on it.....he made one "Michigan style goal" last year but apparently tried over 50 times. Guy is an immature hot dog.
He is playing with the Ducks where there isn't much draw or fan appeal, I say go for as many LACROSSE goals as it takes to score them. Plus, he scored a lot of other goals (most on the team?)
@@bakou912 by "occasional highlights", I mean the stuff like between the leg goal attempts and "Michigan" wrap arounds that HIS OWN AGENT has chastised his for attempting too often Great, 60 points playing a purely high-risk offensive game on a team that is going no where and he probably plays 1:45 of every powerplay. The guy is talented, and I have not seen many Duck games, but I get the impression that he is equivalent to the Harlem Globetrotters not being the best basketball players, just highly skill showmen.
@@atlasfeynman1039 He only scored 23 goals last year, barely in the "Top 100". I'm not saying he is a crap player, just saying he is not worth the "big bucks" that a lot of people think he is as there are LOTS of two-way "grinder" players that will still have 23 goal seasons.
A few lacrosse moves and ducks fans overvalue the man. Until he eighther shows superstar play everynight and plays a 200 ft game then don't pay like it till he shows it!
I have been thinking about this lately and realized it's smart and not. Ducks have 16 million free cap. Currently, 12 teams are over the cap, and the next 8 have less than a million. Ducks can actually go shopping, and commiting almost 8-10m does break into his goal of trying to make the playoffs this year. I love Zegras, but he doesn't have the NHL maturity yet(he is emotional in a bad way when things don't go his way), and signing him to a Tory Terry like contract(which I think is being overpaid) would be insane. Don't get me wrong I love Zegras, and the Ducks are my team. I really want him to stay here for years, and am worried that this situation is going to forward.
Until the State of California becomes home to anything even remotely resembling of a consistent and promising keeper between the posts... Very little to nothing really matter as far as roster goes for Ducks.
They don't need to pay these guys big money when you don't even know what they are worth. These guys are just RFAs. They can get bridge deals and prove their worth. I like what Anaheim is doing. It's a lesson for the rest of the league. Zegras doesn't deserve 5 mil. 3-4 mil is more than fair. Killorn is a cup champion who's proven himself. You are the insult to knowledgeable fans, not Anaheim.
Zehras has alot to work on, I would imagine they told him to mature a bit. He has talent but he could be a better player wothout doing the garbage things he does. Its also the way the Ducks have been since the Getzlaf and Perry days.
Here’s my idea, sign Drysdale and Zegras long term and trade them for veteran depth. I’d trade some draft picks too to build around veterans. You’re going to want those veterans since the salary cap is going up. Also they’ll have to spend in free agency. sign Kane to a 4 year cheap deal to replace Zegras and trade for a top 4 guy with that extra draft capital for a 30 year old in his prime defensemen. Just my idea
In the realm of all sports, and team building, this is quite literally the worst idea I have ever heard. Why sign the two and then trade them? For one, they’ll be RFAs, and second, the cap is going up. And even a third point, you don’t trade them unless they don’t want to stay. And the fact that they’re RFAs make that much easier if that ends up being the case. You want them to be traded for veteran depth? Why? And a 30 year old defensmen? Patrick Kane being signed to a 4 year deal? He’s like 34 or 35. I think you need to learn about rebuilding
Seeing how cash strapped other teams are, now might be a good time to really put the squeeze on young talent trying to sign big contracts. The list of teams able to take on a big contract is incredibly small.
I honestly don't know why the hell Pat Verbeek is being this damn stupid with Zegras and Drysdale. Just sign them to a deal more then the rumored 3-4 million dollar deal and be done with it. Coming from a Ducks fan
"The Ducks aren't going to be good anytime soon..." And you wonder why the Ducks won't pay players? Let's be real here, the team is bad going into the seasonand are trying to rebuild so why should they pay two decent homegrown players when they can shop them around to other teams for draft picks at the trade deadline while holding onto cap space to pick up to sign a big name talent next offseason? Paying them now only hurts the rebuild.
Not really. Theyre key pieces to the rebuild. You cant complete a rebuild if you just sell off the pieces constantly. We also have a pretty deep prospect pool so even less of a reason to get rid of these key guys. Theyre seen as the future in Anaheim, not just some random players just passing by
@@matthewkabel6246 makes no sense to sign those guys to long term contracts in the middle of a rebuild when you have a lot of contracts you're waiting to get out from under.
@@CertifiedClapaholic Zegras is a franchise cornerstone, signing him to a long term deal wouldve been prudent because he’s already shown the ability to produce despite awful circumstances. But obviously he just signed a bridge minutes ago so it’s a moot point lol
I think what you mentioned for Drysdale is reasonable. I'd look to sign Drysdale for 3 years to maintain his RFA rights at the time of the next contract in order to make sure he doesn't end up injury prone, but Zegras I'd try and lock up long term. They have the cap space and aren't in danger of being in cap hell. I'd be looking at how do I sign Zegras to an 8 year term. Whatever you sign him to is probably going to look pretty good in just a couple years, and they have the cap space right now to overpay even if it is an overpayment. I'd still try and keep a few million in cap space so they can weaponize it at the trade deadline and pick up a few more draft picks, but Anaheim has no reason not to have their RFA's locked up.
They haven't proven themselves at all yet. Don't deserve huge contracts. All these players seem to want paid for what they could be and not what they are yet. Prove your worth. Drysdale been pretty much hurt his entire career so far.
First of all, Zegras has proven to be a 60+ point guy consecutive seasons despite Eakins being his coach and fourth liners dragging down his production for about half of each those seasons. That’s equivalent to being a point per game guy in any other situation. So yes, he’s proven. Secondly, betting on potential if you’re the team is the smart thing to do, it’s an effective way to allocate finances because bridge deals allow them to up their value and increase their maximum earning potential
@matthewkabel6246 he's a -39 career. You can't be asking for that much and being a minus player. He's an unreal talent but he needs to prove he can be a plus player before he starts asking for the amount of money he wants.
@@andrewmatheson4380 with all due respect man plus minus is an awful way to gauge isolated defensive impact. It’s reflective of the team and not a single player
@matthewkabel6246 fair enough. The great players always find a way to stay on the positive side of games though. All I'm arguing is they are asking for too much right now. But agree to disagree I guess.
Brah I 65 Points forward on the 2nd worse offensive team in the league... is an 8 million player from the get go! He's 22... so he'll probably get even better... so a smart hockey man would tie him up on a 8x8 and call it a day! If you play ball... and he gets a couple of 100 pts seasons... which Zegras can pull out of his A$$ on a decent team...then you'll have to pay him ridiculous $$$ with the cap going up! McDavid next's deal starts with 14... and Matthews is only on a 5 year deal... and he logically will trump McDavid's salary again! Zegras was on the cover of the NHL Game last year!! He's probably making 5 figures sittin on his A$$ from sponsors right now... so if Verbeek is hoping to starve the kid... it ain't gonna work! He could do a mini hockey seminar... and pull in 500k just by doing a couple of Michigan! I don't see this aging well for Verbeek
@@biggbluh I completely disagree. this is a bridge deal. Not a long term deal. Long term deal i would pay him 8 million since in 3-4 years of that deal it could mean a bargain or a bust for the team. So that is a "taking a gamble" part on management.
@@shuvmesumknowlegde The fact zegras wants a bridge deal makes no sense. You get the money while you are healthy. Theres no guarantee you will be in 4 years. If its true he still wants big contract money on a bridge deal its not gonna happen, and it comes off as him being a spoiled brat. If its true hes doing this because he wants to play elsewhere, then trade him NOW while his stock is the absolute highest. As GM im not wasting my time on what appears to be a player who thinks hes already on the level of mackinnon or mcdavid, and doesnt want to play on my team. One attitude adjustment into the boards and things can change quick. I love watching him play, dont wish any ill will towards him at all, but its a bonehead move and anaheim is making him wait it out.
@@shuvmesumknowlegde With all due respect... your line of thinking was extremely valid... back when the Cap was extremely low... and Crosby was the highest paid @ 8.7 Mil! A bridge then meant you were making about 55-60% of what the top dog like Ovi & Sid were making... but that's out the window for Top starts now! If they perform during their ELC... there's no more to prove... I performed already... so u gotta pay up now! The GM's have been rushing the Top stars into playing when not fully ready... so the agents have adjusted into getting them paid future value immediately... because that skews the numbers. Let's go with Tim Stutzle's... the example that you used. His AAV is 8.35 for 8! So you believe signing a Bridge should reduce the AAV by approximately half... when he already performed better than Him? The players have learned to no longer sign the type of deals MacKinnon & Tavares signed following their ELC
Killorn is coming off of a run with the Lightning resulting in 2 cups and a narrow SCF loss. The man knows how to win championships and needed a price tag of 6.25 to woo him from Tampa.
Isnt zegras running like a -19 thp? His plus minus is horrible the dude isnt as great a player hes made to be. No defence effort on his part. I see replays of the ducks losing often cause his turn overs. Doesnt matter how much u can score if ur plus minus is -19 or even negative at all you arent a franchise player thats just facts
I went to a non hockey related event at the Honda Center recently. Some people wore jerseys, I only saw one name and number. Imagine the teams salivating over Zegras right now?
Not a ducks fan, but to play devils advocate what if Zegras is asking McDavid money I mean idk. Haven’t researched it but there’s two sides to every story
Exactly. He wants the pay day, but he hasn't earned it yet. Getzlaf and Selanne on occasion single handedly won games. Zegras has not. He should take a one year and show he's worth the 8-10 he's probably expecting
most teams in the nhl would pay Zeagras 8 mill or more it would be more smart for the ducks to sign him 8 years for 8 mill a season. if they get better forwards playing with him he could hit 100 points per season
Yeah, looking at the list of salaries, he's probably going to be in the 7M range or higher with a little more growth, but that means he's not there yet. Somewhere near 6M seems viable. Anything under 5 is outright insulting. Time for an offer sheet.
A) 4 million for a mid tier second line center is not fair, and B) Zegras is not a mid tier second line center. If you think 65 points as a 22 year old in a team with zero offense beyond him and Terry is "mid" or "second line" anything, you don't know what you're talking about. With more help on offense, Zegras would easily be posting 30+60 a season at least.
As a Ducks fan all my life…. From Edmonton of all places, this organization being a complete clown show Micky Mouse organization is tiresome and honestly if the Samueli family doesn’t wana buck up anymore sell the team so some rich person who actually wants to compete and get out. It’s not like there isn’t an abundance of ppl with money in southern cal who would love to get into the sports business in that area
I would do what the Sabres did with Thompson and Cozens and give Zegras $7x7 and enjoy how awesome the deal feels to the team when he's going over 100 points per year... maybe as soon as this year??? If they ever get him signed. Young d-men are a toughter call. I would think both sides would be interested in a 2-3 year bridge.
@@atlasfeynman1039In what world? He hasn't even cracked 70 points yet... yes he will improve but giving someone who's yet to fully prove themselves more than 8 is ridiculous
@@aidanbogner2839 I agree. Get him on an extension like McKinnon had or Thompson has now, something where he makes generous money for a couple years and then maybe the team enjoys the last few years. This isn’t the NFL, it’s gotta be something they can both live with.
@@aidanbogner2839 Maybe, but he has almost cracked 70 twice and he is basically the only guy on the team. With some talent around him. I mean look at Nuge, he barely cracked 70 for many years until there was some talent around him and he broke 100. He is a bargain at 6.5, yet I'm pretty sure the Oilers would trade if Zegras signed 4-5 for 5+ years. Same with the leafs and Nylander who wants 9-10, to call Zegras a 4 mil player is insulting and I'm not even a ducks fan.
i think ducks know zegras wants to go back to the east coast and they know after the bridge deal it's 100% he's a goner , so they're trying to get him as cheap as possible for the next 3 years
@@TheHenryDuong no, i m a journalist trying to get my story out on your mom been a b and your unexisting father been a model for your (unexisting) intelligence
The ducks are an absolute basket case
The coaches are probably a joke, I know mike stothers was a pin head
Conor mcgregor aka MCTAPPER is the biggest bum in the history of sports. He got mauled by KHABIB and begged for his life, choked unconscious by a bum Nate Diaz and knocked tf out twice by a journeyman Dustin poirier, he’s also a rayephist, a drцg addict, and sucker punches innocent people.
@@shoresy4084 Brother is fighting demons in the comments
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@@abrahamben-dayan9843 LITERALLY WHAT U WAS THINKING
As a die hard ducks fan. We are very good at drafting people and trading them the other teams to win the cup. Look how many duck draftees won the cup the past 7 years it’s insane….our process works. Just let it play out and pay em.
Good at “Drafting”…..not keeping them….or paying them properly
William Karlsson, Shea theodore, the defense man on Florida to name a few..and they kept Getzlaf way too long..zegras is a showboat and should be on a barnstorming team..he is a little wimp pussy and overrated..not tough at all
@@niagarajoe4402yeah that’s what he said
Zegras isn’t the type of guy to win a team a cup. He’s skilled but he has no win-drive in him. Drysdale on the other hand, could be a top 10 defensemen for quite a few years
@@AshtrayAnnie10000% right .
It's a long-term strategy. They're tanking for Bedard's kids.
Lmao the long game 😂
So that they can immediately trade them.
As the ducks you can’t give up your best offensive and best defensive player
Exactly
Neither of those statements are true lmao
The team knows Zebras better than the public. He's a liability. A major defensive failure. All show, no substance.
@@Shurehlm60+ points consecutive years with 4th liners as linemates half the time and Eakins as your coach is a hell of a lot of substance
Points don't matter if you're a net minus player. If for every goal you participate in there is one or more against, you are a liability, not a asset to the team. Management knows this, but the public likes lacrosse goals so, there you go.@@matthewkabel6246
In order to have a good team on the ice you need to have a good management team making good decisions.
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Conor mcgregor aka MCTAPPER is the biggest bum in the history of sports. He got mauled by KHABIB and begged for his life, choked unconscious by a bum Nate Diaz and knocked tf out twice by a journeyman Dustin poirier, he’s also a rayephist, a drцg addict, and sucker punches innocent people.
I'm a long time Ducks fan and I just want them to just pay the men. Just pay them. No need to be cheap.
Why would paid a guy how can’t defend ? He is good offensively but he need to played both sides of the puck
@@jomh832When the team is this bad, you just need high end talent. Even if they aren't perfect players.
No one said pay them McDavid money
i think ducks know zegras wants to go back to the east coast and they know after the bridge deal it's 100% he's a goner , so they're trying to get him as cheap as possible for the next 3 years
@@jomh832 does he need to do that, or do other guys on the team need to be taking on that role? You can't have 12 Trevor Zegras style players as your forward core, but he's a high end offensive talent. The Ducks need that.
@@jomh832 literally the entire team couldn't defend for the last several years. That's a system thing more then anything.
Hey Eck, I've seen this take all over the internet and honestly it's missing the context.
Zegras is flatly uninterested in a long-term contract and has indicated the only deal he'll sign is a bridge contact. Okay, not ideal but it is what it is. The cap is expected to climb in a couple years and I understand wanting to take a piece of that larger pie. The rub here is that Zegras' camp, seemingly, wants both a bridge deal AND the cap hit you'd normally associate with long-term signings. So not only is he asking for 7/8+ million a season, but he wants that in a bridge contract. His numbers aside (his points and PIM don't reflect that cap hit at all), this would put the Ducks in an awful position when that contract is up and we need to +20% his contract for a QO. If he doesn't live up to be a 10+ million player, which again is very much not guaranteed, we basically lose him for nothing.
zegras wants to go back to the east coast , ducks know he's a goner after the bridge deal so they're trying to get him for the next 3 years as cheap as possible
I don't think it's anything like that. Zegras seems to really enjoy the SoCal lifestyle and is a well-documented... enjoyer of OC women.
I think the most important thing to Zegras is getting paid what he believes he's worth. The issue is that what he believes he's worth doesn't really match with comparables across the league. I love the kid and want him to get his due, but he's proven time and time again that he's very self-centered with how he approaches things.
@@jorgemorales118 i guess we'll see but if i had to put money on it i'd push all in that in 3 - 4 years he'll be playing on a east coast team
And where have you gotten this prime information? Are you in contact with Zegras’ camp or are you just a master at extrapolating data?
He didn't wanna pay Terry either and agreed to the term 1 hour before arbitration so I think it's more on the GM
Just signed Zegras to a 3 year
I know Verbeek is negotiating. But it seems there is something more than just money goin on right now. I wonder if its some kind of attitude situation? Whatever it is, gotta get it done. I know Kariya, Selanne, and Niedermayer are advising in the background too... I'm pretty confident they wont lose out.
He didn't wanna pay Terry either and agreed to the term 1 hour before arbitration
PVB wants his bois probably
I could see an attitude issue for zegras but not Drysdale. Zegras was made a face of the nhl despite not being a top player in any regard
@@FrenchToast_28he’s one of the best pure playmakers in the league what are you talking about 💀
@@matthewkabel6246 there are so many better playmakers 😂 he’s good but he’s far from “the best pure playmaker” 💀💀💀 Mitch marner would be considered a pure playmaker and he’s leagues better than zegras.
Zegras hasn't proved anything in the NHL. He was given essentially top line minutes for a number of years, now, and his faceoffs and two-way game is at the bottom of league. The proof is in the games played against the other team's best players. Almost all star prospects have a tougher life. Zegras got the red carpet treatment already and has not proven to be a top line player on a good team at this point of his career. 60 points minimum is expected by forwards given big minutes every night. And 60 points is not great for the type of minutes he got. There are better centres already commanding less money who could step in and help a team win. This is a fair deal. Good on Verbeek for making sure Terry got his.
@MisterCaution Not when he can't win more faceoffs than the men who excel at them and eventually get more +/- because his competition his winning games directly against him
@MisterCaution Yes, they do. What are you talking about? Only a handful of top centers can command more than 7 million and they have to be at least 48% success rate on the draws or get 80 points a year. This is precisely why R Strome isn't a top C, nor is Zibanejad, nor is Compher. They are between 5 and 9 mill...Zegras is a fair deal, not too cheap, not too expensive. Tavares got his 11 mill per annum contract because he is one of the best at faceoffs and produces a high amount of points, the same goes for Matthews, Kopitar, Hischier...Coyle is okay at faceoffs and points but is still worth his money vs Zegras at 5+ mill....
If they’re lowballing Zegras that much, my guess is that they want to trade him. You don’t treat someone like this if you see a long term future with them.
Agree and just thinking Old school Verbeek must not like Zegras make up.
shades of pettersson and hughes contract holdouts 2 years ago
Team point leader. One of the most exciting players in the league. No one cares, and Verbeek is smart. Zegras is gimmicky that’s it. Not a complete player, and would get throttled by absolutely anyone anytime. His 5.75 a year for 3 years is perfect for him.
Agreed. I personally wouldn’t want on my team. That kid doesn’t give a fuck. He’s all about his image and the clout.
Agreed, he’s the opposite of the Vegas mentality. Fun to watch but not worth anything over 5 aav
Franchise talent, like a offensive duo, one big defenseman and maybe 1 goalie is what you need to win cups. Veterans and support players can be signed as needed going forward, there is a lot of these
The hard part is getting superstars. It's way easier to build up that corpus from drafting than it is from trading. If the ducks have self respect they should not let these players slide. At least I think it applies to zegras
The Ducks know Zegras is dying to be a New York Ranger so they don't want to invest in him.
bingo! this is exactly what i've been saying , ducks know he's a goner after the bridge deal so they're trying to get him for these next 3 years as cheap as possible ... if ducks were smart they should know they're going to need to replace z's offense and should be tanking one final time to pick up celebrini or eiserman in next years draft
That's really dumb because he's still an rfa after his next contract expires. They have leverage. This is about PVB not properly valuing his assets
Why would he go to that dumpster fire?
@@thecubemonkeyCT's Kardashians, the D'Amelios.
yeah lets listen to the media on contract negotiations how`d that work out in toronto
Pat Verbeek is cast in the same mold as Steve Yzerman. I dare dub this somewhat clickbait, because I believe he'll sign them both, and is just trying to get the dollar amount as team friendly as possible. No team has ever won Lord Stanley's Cup with a player over 10m.
well Zegras signed so stop complaining.
$5.75 per for 3 year extension.
First they don’t draft Fantili and now this. What a dumpster fire of an organization.
Fax im not a ducks fan but when they picked leo carrlson over adam fantilli i was like “omg what are you doing anahiem! You had fantilli in the palm of your hands and you blew it!” Columbus got lucky the ducks practically handed fantilli to them.
@@calebkent6706 I’d imagine, during the draft, right after Ducks pick Carlson, the guy from Columbus is just sitting there with his thumbs in his pockets going “so uhhhh…… I guess we pick Fantili? Is this really happening right now? We get Fantilli?”
Leo’s quietly been phenomenal in the preseason, his game just isn’t loud like Fantilli’s. Fantilli’s a better player currently because of his physical tools, being quicker and more of a shot threat etc but Leo’s intelligence and innate two way ability can’t be taught. He’s also a far better playmaker than Fantilli and still has room to grow into his body despite having an already thicker frame. Both elite players, just completely different styles
Also this “dumpster fire of an organization” has the best defensive prospect pool in the league, including being the first franchise ever to have prospects win defenseman of the year in all three CHL leagues (Zellweger WHL, Mintyukov OHL, Luneau QMJHL)
@@matthewkabel6246 Well my comment aged like milk. It’s still early in the season but the boys are buzzing in Anaheim. Maybe it’s the new coach, maybe the GM sees a bigger picture I don’t. And maybe Leo was a better fit for that bigger picture.
I want whatever the ducks are smoking
Ah, eck is back in my feed, it is a good day.
What has zegras done
Zegras maybe deserves 5 or 6 I don’t see much more ever in his career, the kids good but I have a feeling the media is going to get to his head
I think you have it figured out. I believe he is not particularly popular with the other players and management. He is very full of himself.
They’re taking advantage that every team is like 6 dollars below the cap hit so no one can send an offer sheet. So they’re just trying to milk this dry. Which is disgusting.
Bro you commented this after the contract? 😂😂
@@ScarTroy commented before the contract was signed
I don’t think the ducks plan on keeping Z for the long haul
Tyler zegas is overrated in my opinion
At least he won the Calder
@@HungA.F. Yeah Soritz Meider should have won!
I don't think they're being ridiculous. Zegras is a flash in the pan and thinks he's already a superstar. I think McTavish gets more points than him this year. Sure Zegras is flashy and puts butts in seats, but his stats are padded because I think it's around 90-95% of his "starts" are in the offensive zone AND on PP . Dude doesn't know defense (Zegras -24 in 22-23, McTavish -19 with 20 less points to make up for the +/-). McTavish is more of a rounded player and he's only making 1 mil a year atm.
And before someone complains about TOI. It's about the same Mctavish averaging 16 minutes, Zegras averaging 18 minutes.
You referencing +/- really says it all about your knowledge of hockey.
@@Peksisarvinen Yah, +/- is a pretty bad stat but combine that with TOI and points overall. It's a wash. McTavish is a better 2 way player than Zegras, and Zegras WILL fall off going into this 3rd year and people "knowing" his tricks. Hit me up in 2 years when McTavish is up for a contract.
@@Peksisarvinen He's still terrible defensively and gives crappy effort on that side of the ice, the +/- just adds to that fact.
+/- stat doesn´t say much if both players are pretty even but compare someone like Ovi scoring same points as crosby but being -60 worse is a clear sign that Ovi sucks. @@Peksisarvinen
+/- is the worst stat to use when comparing players. Especially players on the same team. That stat tanks when you get put on penalty kill so essentially you get punished for being good on defense. It’s the dumbest stat in hockey IMO.
I'm glad we didn't prereact before a deal was actually reached.
I just saw this video right after the contact announcement and was like "wtf, did i misread something?" lmao. talk about timing
They probably want to see him become a little more mature. 88 penalty minutes last season, which is a lot for a guy like him. Players know how to get under his skin and make him take a penalty. Not good at faceoffs and bad defensively. I got to agree with the Ducks on this one. He has a lot of skill, but also has a lot to prove.
38 of those penalty minutes were in 3 games alone. There were several stretches of the season where he would have 5+ games without a penalty as well.
bad defensively on the worst team in the league clown take
@@Eugromlol right unless he's asking for 10mil a year or an 8/8, if you can over pay Kilorn you can up the kids years at least
Zegras is all flash and no grit. I wouldn't pay him either. Drysdale on the other hand it's worth his salt.
Go watch a highlight real buddy
@@rbb2543 That is the problem, Zegras will make an occasional highlight reel play, but is a horrible 2 way player who will pass up a solid offense play or pass in order to gamble to try to make a flashy play... and more often than not, will miss.
His own AGENT called him out on it.....he made one "Michigan style goal" last year but apparently tried over 50 times.
Guy is an immature hot dog.
He is playing with the Ducks where there isn't much draw or fan appeal, I say go for as many LACROSSE goals as it takes to score them. Plus, he scored a lot of other goals (most on the team?)
@@bakou912 by "occasional highlights", I mean the stuff like between the leg goal attempts and "Michigan" wrap arounds that HIS OWN AGENT has chastised his for attempting too often
Great, 60 points playing a purely high-risk offensive game on a team that is going no where and he probably plays 1:45 of every powerplay.
The guy is talented, and I have not seen many Duck games, but I get the impression that he is equivalent to the Harlem Globetrotters not being the best basketball players, just highly skill showmen.
@@atlasfeynman1039 He only scored 23 goals last year, barely in the "Top 100".
I'm not saying he is a crap player, just saying he is not worth the "big bucks" that a lot of people think he is as there are LOTS of two-way "grinder" players that will still have 23 goal seasons.
I wouldnt pay zegras over 4 or 5
And now he got his contract
A few lacrosse moves and ducks fans overvalue the man. Until he eighther shows superstar play everynight and plays a 200 ft game then don't pay like it till he shows it!
I have been thinking about this lately and realized it's smart and not. Ducks have 16 million free cap. Currently, 12 teams are over the cap, and the next 8 have less than a million. Ducks can actually go shopping, and commiting almost 8-10m does break into his goal of trying to make the playoffs this year.
I love Zegras, but he doesn't have the NHL maturity yet(he is emotional in a bad way when things don't go his way), and signing him to a Tory Terry like contract(which I think is being overpaid) would be insane. Don't get me wrong I love Zegras, and the Ducks are my team. I really want him to stay here for years, and am worried that this situation is going to forward.
So bizarre, I thought the Ducks could be trending up this year
No the players are being greedy give them what their worth not what they think they are
he’s just learning from torontos mistake, he’s actually smart
Zegras is a clown…don’t want him
Doesn't any1 have cap space for an offer sheet?
Vids like this aggravate me
what has he done to deserve a big contract? a couple of michigans? he’s not worth a big contract
Until the State of California becomes home to anything even remotely resembling of a consistent and promising keeper between the posts... Very little to nothing really matter as far as roster goes for Ducks.
They don't need to pay these guys big money when you don't even know what they are worth. These guys are just RFAs. They can get bridge deals and prove their worth. I like what Anaheim is doing. It's a lesson for the rest of the league. Zegras doesn't deserve 5 mil. 3-4 mil is more than fair. Killorn is a cup champion who's proven himself. You are the insult to knowledgeable fans, not Anaheim.
Zehras has alot to work on, I would imagine they told him to mature a bit. He has talent but he could be a better player wothout doing the garbage things he does. Its also the way the Ducks have been since the Getzlaf and Perry days.
Here’s my idea, sign Drysdale and Zegras long term and trade them for veteran depth. I’d trade some draft picks too to build around veterans. You’re going to want those veterans since the salary cap is going up. Also they’ll have to spend in free agency. sign Kane to a 4 year cheap deal to replace Zegras and trade for a top 4 guy with that extra draft capital for a 30 year old in his prime defensemen. Just my idea
In the realm of all sports, and team building, this is quite literally the worst idea I have ever heard. Why sign the two and then trade them? For one, they’ll be RFAs, and second, the cap is going up. And even a third point, you don’t trade them unless they don’t want to stay. And the fact that they’re RFAs make that much easier if that ends up being the case. You want them to be traded for veteran depth? Why? And a 30 year old defensmen? Patrick Kane being signed to a 4 year deal? He’s like 34 or 35. I think you need to learn about rebuilding
The only time you ever trade prospects for veterans is if you’re trying to win now
Was I dreaming I thought he signed for 3 years like yesterday?
I've been saying the ducks are the worst franchise in sports for ten years and nobody believed it
Utterly bewildering!?
I feel like he should get a 2 year 5 mil bridge deal and then in 2 years he can get like 9 or 10
You posted right as EF announced that they signed him 3x 5.75 :D
What in the mighty cluck is going on there
I'll take either one of those players, or both, off of Anaheim's hands.
Seeing how cash strapped other teams are, now might be a good time to really put the squeeze on young talent trying to sign big contracts. The list of teams able to take on a big contract is incredibly small.
Did the Ducks hire Blackhawk management?
I’d pay him 6.5 million
I honestly don't know why the hell Pat Verbeek is being this damn stupid with Zegras and Drysdale. Just sign them to a deal more then the rumored 3-4 million dollar deal and be done with it. Coming from a Ducks fan
All you hockey pros in the comments. Zegras signed
Good player but not the guy you pay top dollar and build around
Not for a future 90+ point superstar? Is Kane not a building block then?
"The Ducks aren't going to be good anytime soon..."
And you wonder why the Ducks won't pay players? Let's be real here, the team is bad going into the seasonand are trying to rebuild so why should they pay two decent homegrown players when they can shop them around to other teams for draft picks at the trade deadline while holding onto cap space to pick up to sign a big name talent next offseason?
Paying them now only hurts the rebuild.
Not really. Theyre key pieces to the rebuild. You cant complete a rebuild if you just sell off the pieces constantly. We also have a pretty deep prospect pool so even less of a reason to get rid of these key guys. Theyre seen as the future in Anaheim, not just some random players just passing by
These are integral pieces of our future, what are you even saying?
Wait, they have 16 mil and "aren't going to be good any time soon" so just throw the money away and sign more bad contracts??? That makes no sense.
Zegras and Drysdale won’t be getting “bad contracts” lmfao
@@matthewkabel6246 makes no sense to sign those guys to long term contracts in the middle of a rebuild when you have a lot of contracts you're waiting to get out from under.
@@CertifiedClapaholic Zegras is a franchise cornerstone, signing him to a long term deal wouldve been prudent because he’s already shown the ability to produce despite awful circumstances. But obviously he just signed a bridge minutes ago so it’s a moot point lol
Im a Ducks fan from day one. Im absolutely pissed on this. They need to be signed NOW
Why is he not worth Nylander money, 6.9 x 7
Free John Gibson.
I think what you mentioned for Drysdale is reasonable. I'd look to sign Drysdale for 3 years to maintain his RFA rights at the time of the next contract in order to make sure he doesn't end up injury prone, but Zegras I'd try and lock up long term. They have the cap space and aren't in danger of being in cap hell. I'd be looking at how do I sign Zegras to an 8 year term. Whatever you sign him to is probably going to look pretty good in just a couple years, and they have the cap space right now to overpay even if it is an overpayment. I'd still try and keep a few million in cap space so they can weaponize it at the trade deadline and pick up a few more draft picks, but Anaheim has no reason not to have their RFA's locked up.
They haven't proven themselves at all yet. Don't deserve huge contracts. All these players seem to want paid for what they could be and not what they are yet. Prove your worth. Drysdale been pretty much hurt his entire career so far.
First of all, Zegras has proven to be a 60+ point guy consecutive seasons despite Eakins being his coach and fourth liners dragging down his production for about half of each those seasons. That’s equivalent to being a point per game guy in any other situation. So yes, he’s proven. Secondly, betting on potential if you’re the team is the smart thing to do, it’s an effective way to allocate finances because bridge deals allow them to up their value and increase their maximum earning potential
@matthewkabel6246 he's a -39 career. You can't be asking for that much and being a minus player. He's an unreal talent but he needs to prove he can be a plus player before he starts asking for the amount of money he wants.
@@andrewmatheson4380 with all due respect man plus minus is an awful way to gauge isolated defensive impact. It’s reflective of the team and not a single player
@matthewkabel6246 fair enough. The great players always find a way to stay on the positive side of games though. All I'm arguing is they are asking for too much right now. But agree to disagree I guess.
Elias pettersson for zegras terry dri who says no?
hes going to montreal
Gonna cost alot
@@CanadiansEH armia and 5th round pick
@@shoKz2427 you would have to give a 5th round pick and a prospect just to get rid of Armia for future considerations lol
@@RoamHockey 😅😅
Ducks ownership is worthless. Move the team to Quebec City.
How can you pay a bridge deal of 5-6 for 2 60 point seasons? Honestly 3-4 for a bridge deal for Zegras.
Brah I 65 Points forward on the 2nd worse offensive team in the league... is an 8 million player from the get go! He's 22... so he'll probably get even better... so a smart hockey man would tie him up on a 8x8 and call it a day! If you play ball... and he gets a couple of 100 pts seasons... which Zegras can pull out of his A$$ on a decent team...then you'll have to pay him ridiculous $$$ with the cap going up!
McDavid next's deal starts with 14... and Matthews is only on a 5 year deal... and he logically will trump McDavid's salary again! Zegras was on the cover of the NHL Game last year!! He's probably making 5 figures sittin on his A$$ from sponsors right now... so if Verbeek is hoping to starve the kid... it ain't gonna work! He could do a mini hockey seminar... and pull in 500k just by doing a couple of Michigan! I don't see this aging well for Verbeek
@@biggbluh I completely disagree. this is a bridge deal. Not a long term deal. Long term deal i would pay him 8 million since in 3-4 years of that deal it could mean a bargain or a bust for the team. So that is a "taking a gamble" part on management.
@@shuvmesumknowlegde The fact zegras wants a bridge deal makes no sense. You get the money while you are healthy. Theres no guarantee you will be in 4 years. If its true he still wants big contract money on a bridge deal its not gonna happen, and it comes off as him being a spoiled brat. If its true hes doing this because he wants to play elsewhere, then trade him NOW while his stock is the absolute highest. As GM im not wasting my time on what appears to be a player who thinks hes already on the level of mackinnon or mcdavid, and doesnt want to play on my team. One attitude adjustment into the boards and things can change quick. I love watching him play, dont wish any ill will towards him at all, but its a bonehead move and anaheim is making him wait it out.
@@shuvmesumknowlegde With all due respect... your line of thinking was extremely valid... back when the Cap was extremely low... and Crosby was the highest paid @ 8.7 Mil!
A bridge then meant you were making about 55-60% of what the top dog like Ovi &
Sid were making... but that's out the window for Top starts now!
If they perform during their ELC... there's no more to prove... I performed already... so u gotta pay up now! The GM's have been rushing the Top stars into playing when not fully ready... so the agents have adjusted into getting them paid future value immediately... because that skews the numbers.
Let's go with Tim Stutzle's... the example that you used. His AAV is 8.35 for 8! So you believe signing a Bridge should reduce the AAV by approximately half... when he already performed better than Him? The players have learned to no longer sign the type of deals MacKinnon & Tavares signed following their ELC
Killorn is coming off of a run with the Lightning resulting in 2 cups and a narrow SCF loss. The man knows how to win championships and needed a price tag of 6.25 to woo him from Tampa.
The Ducks are gonna wind up signing Zack Kassian (2 goals and 0 assists last season) before Zegras and Drysdale.
Yeah, but when getzlaf gets back from his hair transplant, y’all are done. Ducks will average 5 goals a game
Isnt zegras running like a -19 thp? His plus minus is horrible the dude isnt as great a player hes made to be. No defence effort on his part. I see replays of the ducks losing often cause his turn overs. Doesnt matter how much u can score if ur plus minus is -19 or even negative at all you arent a franchise player thats just facts
Also what’s Ottawa’s deal with Shane Pinto? Pay the man already
I went to a non hockey related event at the Honda Center recently. Some people wore jerseys, I only saw one name and number. Imagine the teams salivating over Zegras right now?
Not a ducks fan, but to play devils advocate what if Zegras is asking McDavid money I mean idk. Haven’t researched it but there’s two sides to every story
Exactly. He wants the pay day, but he hasn't earned it yet.
Getzlaf and Selanne on occasion single handedly won games. Zegras has not. He should take a one year and show he's worth the 8-10 he's probably expecting
I thought Zegras 7 x 7 was an easy one. I’m wrong again. 😂
Eck talking about hockey as if he has any clue what the fuck he’s talking about is insulting
most teams in the nhl would pay Zeagras 8 mill or more it would be more smart for the ducks to sign him 8 years for 8 mill a season. if they get better forwards playing with him he could hit 100 points per season
lol no they wouldn't. Only Toronto would.
Not sure most team would so that
Zegras is not good…
@@Ck69420elite bait
@@matthewkabel6246 the original comment is bait. Zegras is a 60-70 point one way player. Not a 100 point superstar.
Yeah, looking at the list of salaries, he's probably going to be in the 7M range or higher with a little more growth, but that means he's not there yet. Somewhere near 6M seems viable. Anything under 5 is outright insulting.
Time for an offer sheet.
I peg him at 6.5 for 5
Zegras is a bust so I wouldn't pay him either. This kid won't be worth shit in a few years.
You can’t be a bust when you were a steal at 9th overall and already an established producer 😂😂
I'd let Zegras walk...$4 million for a mid tier second line center is pretty fair.
dude... Zegras is worth 7-8 for most NHL teams
A) 4 million for a mid tier second line center is not fair, and B) Zegras is not a mid tier second line center. If you think 65 points as a 22 year old in a team with zero offense beyond him and Terry is "mid" or "second line" anything, you don't know what you're talking about. With more help on offense, Zegras would easily be posting 30+60 a season at least.
LA just signed their second line center for 8.5 million
And thats why ur not a nhl gm
Its crazy, management is literally going to sour the relationship with their two upcoming stars. Makes no sense. What the duck.
This video aged poorly.
I would love Z to be a Hab! Offer sheet him!
I would only pay him $25/h because that's all I could afford
$6 mil would look like one of the absolute most team-friendly contracts in the league a couple years down the road. $4 mil is a total slap in the face
As a Ducks fan all my life…. From Edmonton of all places, this organization being a complete clown show Micky Mouse organization is tiresome and honestly if the Samueli family doesn’t wana buck up anymore sell the team so some rich person who actually wants to compete and get out. It’s not like there isn’t an abundance of ppl with money in southern cal who would love to get into the sports business in that area
Did not age well…🎉😂
This didn't age well.
It's surprising it took them this long, but better late than never!
Ducks roster should have a mandatory movie night binge watching all 3 of the early 90's "The Mighty Ducks". Then hire Emilio Estevez as head coach.
Emilio would have to run into legal issues and a judge would order him to coach... his brother Charlie Sheen would be more likely.
Duh winning
The Tage Thompson or Jason Robertson deals seem the most fair solution for both parties
A smart GM would lock him down for eight years
I would do what the Sabres did with Thompson and Cozens and give Zegras $7x7 and enjoy how awesome the deal feels to the team when he's going over 100 points per year... maybe as soon as this year??? If they ever get him signed.
Young d-men are a toughter call. I would think both sides would be interested in a 2-3 year bridge.
Zegras deserves more than 7
@@atlasfeynman1039In what world? He hasn't even cracked 70 points yet... yes he will improve but giving someone who's yet to fully prove themselves more than 8 is ridiculous
@@aidanbogner2839 I agree. Get him on an extension like McKinnon had or Thompson has now, something where he makes generous money for a couple years and then maybe the team enjoys the last few years. This isn’t the NFL, it’s gotta be something they can both live with.
@@aidanbogner2839 Maybe, but he has almost cracked 70 twice and he is basically the only guy on the team. With some talent around him. I mean look at Nuge, he barely cracked 70 for many years until there was some talent around him and he broke 100. He is a bargain at 6.5, yet I'm pretty sure the Oilers would trade if Zegras signed 4-5 for 5+ years. Same with the leafs and Nylander who wants 9-10, to call Zegras a 4 mil player is insulting and I'm not even a ducks fan.
Zegras is overrated.
3 million 2 years but in montreal
Anaheim missed Bedard and collapsed. They were really were banking on Bedsy
Causal take.
i think ducks know zegras wants to go back to the east coast and they know after the bridge deal it's 100% he's a goner , so they're trying to get him as cheap as possible for the next 3 years
How many times are you gonna say that in the comments ?
@@TheHenryDuong 11 more times at least Mr.Dung
@@James_Ford4815 but why, are some journalist trying to get your story out or something boy ?
@@TheHenryDuong no, i m a journalist trying to get my story out on your mom been a b and your unexisting father been a model for your (unexisting) intelligence
They have agreed on a 3 year bridge. That keeps him as an RFA.