The only rivals that ever kept Toney out of GOAT conversations were the fork and knife. 😂.....he had some of the purest mechanics ever in boxing. But just could never keep his body in consistent shape.
you need to go watch his fight against Vinson Durham, bear in mind this was a fight when he was considered one of the p4p best and was gearing up to fight Jones. Terrible showing against a complete novice
James Toney is possibly the greatest technical boxer from the past 40 years, i think it helped a lot he moved up in weight as his discipline was awful, i remember Eddie Futch once saying he always said he wanted to fight at Heavyweight, and this was when he was a middleweight. Just an expert boxer who could have beaten most fighters when he was on his game.
Would be a stretch to call him the greatest technical boxer because we have so many to choose from and fact of the matter is Toney blocks a lot of punches with his head, that being said his mastery is undisputed and he was very entertaining to watch as well
@memowovarei3249 Loma and Rigo? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 So you think they are better than prime Roy Jones? Prime Floyd Mayweather? Prime Manny Pacquiao? Prime Lennox Lewis? Prime Oscar DeLahoya? Etc.... Leave boxing talk to the real boxing fans Mr Casual
He's the only boxer to ever get into the octagon. Unfortunately he didn't train in mma at all and they put him in with Couture who was never going to chance an exchange with Toney.
Toney was the most relaxed fighter I've EVER seen walk to the ring. . He never even looked slightly nervous, except in his MMA match , because he knew he was out of his element. In the Boxing ring he was fearless
@@conflicto7575 That was the medication Toney was prescribed by his doctor after he tore his biceps and triceps tendon to heal and recover. It wasn't like when Canelo got caught using P.E.D.'s and got banned from boxing for 6 months.
@@conflicto7575 That was the medication Toney was prescribed by his doctor after he tore his biceps and triceps tendon to heal and recover. It wasn't like when Canelo got caught using P.E.D.'s and got banned from boxing for 6 months.
@@conflicto7575 That was the medication Toney was prescribed by his doctor after he tore his biceps and triceps tendon to heal and recover. It wasn't like when Canelo got caught using P.E.D.'s and got ban from boxing for 6 months.
Lol! Steroid cheat. That’s why this fight was changed to a No Contest. ;) Too bad toney never earned that title shot against Wladimir. It would’ve been a pleasure watching Klitschko knock him out fucking cold.
@@Bag514The casual fan doesn't really know about him. I didn't know who he was until he fought in the UFC when he was older. I went back and looked him up and the guy is one of the best boxers of all time.
He did win the heavyweight title twice! Anyone who is at that level truly believes they are the best! If they don’t believe that then they would never achieve that level of success! What would you expect him to say lol ?
Back in the 90s my sister was dating One of James Tony's buddies Grand rapids Michigan that she had met and my sister stayed in Taylor, Michigan. I stayed with my sister at the time and James use to call his friend at that time it was before he even fought Roy and I used to think to myself well. He's just another boxer trying to make it. I never knew he was going to be so great.
i met james toney when i was a 65 year old divorcee from my ex husband, he did me so well. he is a thoughtful gentleman he ate me like no man has ever done! such a blessing. im 84 now
James Toney is a legend. Funny as F....Cocky as F.....Crafty as F🙏❤️👌👌👌 He'll always be a fan favorite and a blessing for boxing. I wish he was he was still in his prime today so we could watch him fight todays fighters. A prime Toney versus Canelo would've been great
Don King had Tony's victory overturned because James would talk shit about how Don King was a crooked promoter since the 90's and James had shoulder surgery prior to the Ruiz fight and the steroid was injected by his doctor to heal it faster.
James Toney was technically a thing of beauty, he could stay in the pocket and work all day, both elusive using the philly shell and counter punching until the cows come home. Peds of any sort do not teach those skills, those skills are hard earnt in the ring where James was at home for sure. Remember British champ Richie Woodall says he visited a gym in the USA and James was there working the bag whilst glugging on a 2ltr bottle of Cola! If this man had discipline who knows where he would be sat in the world of boxing, for me he is already a great, but disciplined possibly the greatest.
One of the greatest craftiest nastiest defensive offenses fighters in any era! Specially middle weight. I learn all my defense techniques from watch him. 🥊 legendary ninja!
James Toney is my favorite fighter of all time, also a man of the people i had the opportunity to meet him a few years back and he couldn't have been a classier guy.
John Ruiz was just near the last of a 25 year long list of guys who Don King somehow got one of boxing's sanctioning bodies to recognize as a "World Heavyweight Champion." Had he been fighting pre-1980, Ruiz is a "gatekeeper" at best. Never deserved a title shot let alone holding even the "We Belt Anybody" strap two, three, or however many times they handed it over to him.
Have to play the d-vil's advocate here with James Toney and John Ruiz. James Toney was a tallent in boxing that was unique. Toney was skilled, tough, gifted, ring inteligent and in the weight divisions MW to LH a KO artist...but to much lazines and hard to maintain his dicipline took away so much potential greatness he could have achieved other-wise. - He never went in any weight division to unify for the undisputed crown. IBF was his only world title belt in 3x classes. His very best open-window moment was in the cruiserweights where there had not been a dominant, unified champion since 1988, and Toney after the Jirov fight could have gotten any unification fight due to his market value. - Toney balloned up- and down in weight so much it took a tool in his speed and reflexes, and being a small guy fighting bigger men, that speed and movement flow would have made him taking less big punches. - Toney was never a real HW material and only had his moment in a record weak HW era, never had to fight the true elites,; Lennox Lewis, Vitali or Wladimir Klitschko, and Toney even twice declined a title fight with Wladimir in 2006 & 2007. - Toney has in his career been caught with illegal substances 3x times (!), so that makes a question of how many possible fights he could have used that as well? 3 TIMES is hard to ignore. -
James Toney was underrated and one of the greatest fighters I've ever seen. His defense was phenomenal and he extremely tough to beat. In his entire career, he was never stopped....
@@andrewcarson5850he floored his brother in sparring n neither one of them went near him after that! Also nobody I mean nobody was hospitalizing James Toney! I never even saw anyone knock him down n he was never knocked out at all!
@@Dingoplexor Yeah, he fought at heavyweight because he couldn't be bothered to train, or put down the burgers. Like I said, a genius, but Vitali would have absolutely crushed him, and it's naive to think differently.
To me, it feels like he is watching his opponents punches in slow-motion (120 frames per second) 😢. The ability to anticipate and duck opponents punches cemented his name as one of the greats.
Toney was great. One of the best to ever do it. His fight again Iran Barkley might be the greatest performance I've ever seen. It's amazing to think what could have been if he took his fitness more seriously
James Toney definitely one of the greatest fighters of all time! Watching his masterclass against Ruiz puts a smile on my face in memory. Was happy for the guy when it happened. James "Undestructable" Toney! Gotta love the guy!! 😂
James Tony was one of the greatest fighters and I loved it when he put Michael Nunn out of boxing with that dynamic knock out over him you never heard from Michael Nunn after Tony put his lights out
Toney fought like an old fashioned technician from the 1950’s. Not really a mover, even tho he had excellent footwork. He preferred the inside and midrange, didn’t really feel the need to fight at range. Fundamentally solid, able to fight forwards and backwards, smooth, flowing movements, stinging punches; really a fun style to watch.
James Toney is a natural born tough guy boxer with a very high IQ. He was avoided by all heavyweights at all costs. Many trainers said there's no way to prepare a fighter to fight Toney. Roy beat him off athleticism but Roy said he was hands down the best fighter he's fought.
UNCANNY MAVERICK MARVEL ABSOLUTELY 💯 Very entertaining bout 🎉🎉 Not talked about 😮 Tony looked 😊 good even 👍 at heavy weight. Good content 👌 Boxing my life Peace ✌️
To me James Toney is one of the GREATEST BOXERS EVER.
No. He is.
facts
💯% FACT
Same here
The only rivals that ever kept Toney out of GOAT conversations were the fork and knife. 😂.....he had some of the purest mechanics ever in boxing. But just could never keep his body in consistent shape.
Toney’s pull counter and check hooks are a thing of beauty.
Facts
❤absolutely CORRECT and TRUE
Didn't work on Roy Jones though 😂😂😂
@@AveryAdams-zt4bn Let’s be fair, nothing worked against RJJ in his prime.
@@filmandcomposition facts
James Toney is one of my favorites. His philly shell is immaculate, especially when smaller.
James Toney was never in a boring fight.
Now look at him smh 🙏🏿
@@NenskiTrillI think Cruiserweight was the best weight class for him
you need to go watch his fight against Vinson Durham, bear in mind this was a fight when he was considered one of the p4p best and was gearing up to fight Jones. Terrible showing against a complete novice
@@NenskiTrill How is he now?
Toney was slipping all that shit
James Toney is possibly the greatest technical boxer from the past 40 years, i think it helped a lot he moved up in weight as his discipline was awful, i remember Eddie Futch once saying he always said he wanted to fight at Heavyweight, and this was when he was a middleweight. Just an expert boxer who could have beaten most fighters when he was on his game.
Overrated. Had 10 losses on his record.
Would be a stretch to call him the greatest technical boxer because we have so many to choose from and fact of the matter is Toney blocks a lot of punches with his head, that being said his mastery is undisputed and he was very entertaining to watch as well
He's great, but that's insane. Lomachenko, Pernell Whitaker, Guillermo Rigondeaux, are levels above him, technically speaking.
@@shaz2761To be fair he had 92 fights and only 1 loss in his first 45 to peak Roy Jones Jr
@memowovarei3249 Loma and Rigo? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So you think they are better than prime Roy Jones? Prime Floyd Mayweather? Prime Manny Pacquiao? Prime Lennox Lewis? Prime Oscar DeLahoya? Etc....
Leave boxing talk to the real boxing fans Mr Casual
James Toney was never scared...
Never! He would fight anyone...
He's the only boxer to ever get into the octagon. Unfortunately he didn't train in mma at all and they put him in with Couture who was never going to chance an exchange with Toney.
Toney was the most relaxed fighter I've EVER seen walk to the ring. . He never even looked slightly nervous, except in his MMA match , because he knew he was out of his element. In the Boxing ring he was fearless
"IDGAF IF YOU A FLYWEIGHT OR YO MAMA WEIGHT... I WILL BEAT YO ASS"
The Great James " Lights Out" Toney!!!
Professor of the Sweet science .
One of the greatest to ever do it !
👌🏾💯
❤agreed
How is one of the greatest...he use steroids
@@conflicto7575
That was the medication Toney was prescribed by his doctor after he tore his biceps and triceps tendon to heal and recover. It wasn't like when Canelo got caught using P.E.D.'s and got banned from boxing for 6 months.
@@conflicto7575
That was the medication Toney was prescribed by his doctor after he tore his biceps and triceps tendon to heal and recover. It wasn't like when Canelo got caught using P.E.D.'s and got banned from boxing for 6 months.
@@conflicto7575
That was the medication Toney was prescribed by his doctor after he tore his biceps and triceps tendon to heal and recover. It wasn't like when Canelo got caught using P.E.D.'s and got ban from boxing for 6 months.
Lights Out is my favorite boxer of all time.
Every one of his fights deserves an indepth breakdown.
@@Randall_Kildare mine too
drug cheat, ballooning from one weight division to the next.
@@hardtoke false
Mine too.
What about his fight against Roy Jones? Does that need to be broken down too?
Jim Lampley couldn't stand Toney. And it was evident every time he opened his mouth during the fight. He was on Ruiz's nutsack all night
Facts, he kept exaggerating every time Ruiz threw a harmless combo that didn’t even connect. It’s a very sad observation.
That was HBO coverage all over. Giving objective commentary just wasn’t their style, they always rooted for their favourite fighters.
James Toney is in the mix when you name great fighters.
James Toney was an amazing fighter!! One of the best
Lol! Steroid cheat. That’s why this fight was changed to a No Contest. ;) Too bad toney never earned that title shot against Wladimir. It would’ve been a pleasure watching Klitschko knock him out fucking cold.
They said he was drugged up during that fight which is why he is lesser known
That lead shoulder roll into the short straight right counter is absolutely beautiful
That Toney/Jirov fight is an all time classic man
Headed there now thanks 🙏
Man, that was one entertaining fight! It went back & forth. I rewatched it immediately after it was over!
I like toney’s fight against Tiberi better ;)
Too bad the judges two of the judges were paid off and gave toney a gift decision win
@@detroitkid33 top 10
James is criminally underrated "
Underrated? By who ? Everyone knows James Toney is a beast , definitely a hall of famer
@@Bag514The casual fan doesn't really know about him. I didn't know who he was until he fought in the UFC when he was older. I went back and looked him up and the guy is one of the best boxers of all time.
@@whodatking26thank you for breaking it down for that sensive one....
Ruiz calling himself "the best" is comical at best...🤣
He did win the heavyweight title twice! Anyone who is at that level truly believes they are the best! If they don’t believe that then they would never achieve that level of success! What would you expect him to say lol ?
@@jasonv2323 agreed, but where does he really rank in the pantheon of heavyweight boxing champions? 🤣
@@alanleemaxwell831He can kick your a$$ though.
😂 at John "Delusional" Ruiz kind of like Devin Haney
Ruiz was fighting nobody during that era. Everybody was either old or already had retired. He really wasn't a champ. Just my opinion
Back in the 90s my sister was dating One of James Tony's buddies Grand rapids Michigan that she had met and my sister stayed in Taylor, Michigan. I stayed with my sister at the time and James use to call his friend at that time it was before he even fought Roy and I used to think to myself well. He's just another boxer trying to make it. I never knew he was going to be so great.
John Ruiz =Jab, Jab, hold.
James Toney =Shoulder Roll.
Sounds like Devin Haney 😂
James Toney = steroids
James Toney was amazing!! One of the greatest of his generation!! There's no question about it 👏 🙌
i met james toney when i was a 65 year old divorcee from my ex husband, he did me so well. he is a thoughtful gentleman he ate me like no man has ever done! such a blessing. im 84 now
Mama Toney ran a bakery.
There’s your answer.
No it's not
he struggled with weight his whole career. he might have gone down as the goat if he fought his whole career at hw
PEDS, period
Not a mystery. The guy loved to eat. He never went up and down a bunch. He just kept getting bigger with time.
People don’t like to admit it but Toney is one of the all time greats
How?... He use steroids
Toneys feinted left hooks, head movement and rope work is a master class.
One of my favorite boxers of all time...this man was never to be taken lightly.
James Toney was my grandfather's favorite fighter when I was a kid.
Mines too
Ruiz got beaten by all the guys from lower weights coming up to HW. First Roy, then Tony, than David Haye... dude can't deal with faster guys
He was an awful world champion. He was an overachiever of gatekeeper quality.
@@shaz2761 Ruiz owes his career to Don King, For 10 years he was either champ or fighting for belts. King took care of him.
Good Point
The most devastating ko was when David tua comatosed him!
Toney did it first
James Toney is a legend. Funny as F....Cocky as F.....Crafty as F🙏❤️👌👌👌 He'll always be a fan favorite and a blessing for boxing. I wish he was he was still in his prime today so we could watch him fight todays fighters. A prime Toney versus Canelo would've been great
Тони разделал бы Канело легко.
Remarkable content! James "Lights Out" Toney definitely LEGEND.
Toney is undestructible. He’s so good he can make up his own words.
damn straight!
Don King had Tony's victory overturned because James would talk shit about how Don King was a crooked promoter since the 90's and James had shoulder surgery prior to the Ruiz fight and the steroid was injected by his doctor to heal it faster.
James Toney, one of the slickest fighters to ever do it. Every fight he put on a master class in defense and counter punching.
James Toney just an amazing fighter an ATG you can't say enough about the man
I followed Toney from his Friday Night Fights. Great fighter. Funny man. Jim Lampley sure talked up Ruiz
Lampley sucks.
@@wraithstrongopark He's an emotional bitch
JAMES TONEY WAS ONE TOUGH N HIGHLY SKILLED KID... FUN WATCHING HIM GO THROUGH THE WEIGHTS...
James Toney was/is
Jack Johnson...personified.
Respect.
James Toney was technically a thing of beauty, he could stay in the pocket and work all day, both elusive using the philly shell and counter punching until the cows come home. Peds of any sort do not teach those skills, those skills are hard earnt in the ring where James was at home for sure.
Remember British champ Richie Woodall says he visited a gym in the USA and James was there working the bag whilst glugging on a 2ltr bottle of Cola!
If this man had discipline who knows where he would be sat in the world of boxing, for me he is already a great, but disciplined possibly the greatest.
True story if he had say like Floyd Jr work ethic he probably would've been undefeated or Roy Jones would've been his only lost
He didn't much like doing boxer-y stuff, jumping rope, hitting the bag, roadwork. All he wanted to do at the gym was spar, anybody.
James Tony was truly magnificent, and underrated.
One of the greatest craftiest nastiest defensive offenses fighters in any era! Specially middle weight. I learn all my defense techniques from watch him. 🥊 legendary ninja!
Always a favorite of mine. Didn't take anything from anybody.
Heck of a boxer/puncher. Always a lot of action in his fights.
Toney the greatest slip/roll counter fighter to ever grace the ring. It’s pure art.
Really good content this enjoyed it
James Toney was the definition of the sweet sweet science.
James Toney is my favorite fighter of all time, also a man of the people i had the opportunity to meet him a few years back and he couldn't have been a classier guy.
james toney might talk allot and might need subtitles lol, but the guy got hands! no one can deny that
John Ruiz was just near the last of a 25 year long list of guys who Don King somehow got one of boxing's sanctioning bodies to recognize as a "World Heavyweight Champion." Had he been fighting pre-1980, Ruiz is a "gatekeeper" at best. Never deserved a title shot let alone holding even the "We Belt Anybody" strap two, three, or however many times they handed it over to him.
Have to play the d-vil's advocate here with James Toney and John Ruiz.
James Toney was a tallent in boxing that was unique. Toney was skilled, tough, gifted, ring inteligent and in the weight divisions MW to LH a KO artist...but to much lazines and hard to maintain his dicipline took away so much potential greatness he could have achieved other-wise.
- He never went in any weight division to unify for the undisputed crown. IBF was his only world title belt in 3x classes.
His very best open-window moment was in the cruiserweights where there had not been a dominant, unified champion since 1988, and Toney after the Jirov fight could have gotten any unification fight due to his market value.
- Toney balloned up- and down in weight so much it took a tool in his speed and reflexes, and being a small guy fighting bigger men, that speed and movement flow would have made him taking less big punches.
- Toney was never a real HW material and only had his moment in a record weak HW era, never had to fight the true elites,;
Lennox Lewis, Vitali or Wladimir Klitschko, and Toney even twice declined a title fight with Wladimir in 2006 & 2007.
- Toney has in his career been caught with illegal substances 3x times (!), so that makes a question of how many possible fights he could have used that as well? 3 TIMES is hard to ignore.
-
The best counter puncher ever.he didn't need to train it was a walk in the park for him.
Such talent
James Toney was underrated and one of the greatest fighters I've ever seen. His defense was phenomenal and he extremely tough to beat. In his entire career, he was never stopped....
James told those boys that he will fight at the same time. The look on their faces was priceless.
King of the shoulder roll, counter puncher superstar. Awesome fighter!!
Toney was great, but let's not forget that he also popped dirty for this fight, and again just 2 years later
Toney doesn’t get the recognition he deserves really he was a great boxer
A lot of people don't know that, Toney was cutting 40+ pounds at middleweight. Toney was over 200 pounds when he played football in highschool.
I love that roy jones says in the commentary that james toney would most definitely beat Vitali Klitchko. And hes absolutely right.
Not even nearly. Vitali would have hospitalised him, and Toney is one of my favourite fighters.
@@andrewcarson5850he floored his brother in sparring n neither one of them went near him after that! Also nobody I mean nobody was hospitalizing James Toney! I never even saw anyone knock him down n he was never knocked out at all!
@@Dingoplexor Yeah, because he didn't fight any elite heavyweights. Toney was a genius, but he's half Vitali's size.
@@andrewcarson5850 who gives a f who he fought he’s a middleweight who fought multiple times at heavyweight! Enough said
@@Dingoplexor Yeah, he fought at heavyweight because he couldn't be bothered to train, or put down the burgers. Like I said, a genius, but Vitali would have absolutely crushed him, and it's naive to think differently.
No one, no boxer, in my opinion, has mastered equally the art of defense and offense in such beauty and intensity.
Tony was a throwback fighter. Definitely great!
I have zero doubt that he WAS taking it to heal that injury. Tony did NOT need PEDS to win in the ring lol
toney was special.. not alot of wasted movement...lots of pull counters and slipping...just beautful boxing...
James Toney is one of the greatest of all times!
Toney was a hell of a fighter, also says a lot about Roy Jones Jr who thoroughly outclassed both Toney and Ruiz.
Lol I remember this nga was yelling for burger King after a fight 😂😂😂
Nigel Benn vs James Toney!! Can't believe we never got to see that!😫😫😫
Brother, where did you find the fight in this quality? Would you be so kind as to upload the thing in full? Thank you.
James T was underacted. One the best fighter.
Toney was just pure class and talent....Ruiz was given a boxing lesson.
I think James is for sure in the top 10 best ever
To me, it feels like he is watching his opponents punches in slow-motion (120 frames per second) 😢. The ability to anticipate and duck opponents punches cemented his name as one of the greats.
Toney was great. One of the best to ever do it. His fight again Iran Barkley might be the greatest performance I've ever seen. It's amazing to think what could have been if he took his fitness more seriously
James Toney definitely one of the greatest fighters of all time! Watching his masterclass against Ruiz puts a smile on my face in memory. Was happy for the guy when it happened. James "Undestructable" Toney! Gotta love the guy!! 😂
😊 Thanks 😊 For Exciting Video. ✌️ 😊
Nobody put John Ruiz to sleep faster than David Tua. Ruiz was sent to the afterlife 19 seconds into the first round. 😂😂
James Toney is without a doubt, a GOAT!
Great fight IQ and head movement
Well tuning of Ruiz by Toney ❤❤❤
He got busted for steroids right after that fight. Lol There wasn’t anything “Well” about it.
James Tony was one of the greatest fighters and I loved it when he put Michael Nunn out of boxing with that dynamic knock out over him you never heard from Michael Nunn after Tony put his lights out
Great Fight!
0:18 how was this shot in 4k holy moly
That’s what I wanna know
James Toney was a Jedi Master of boxing.
as much as i love james, he was on PEDS for this fight.
John Ruiz had the funniest trainer ever lol watch when he got kicked out of a fight for cursing out a ref
Old school boxing coaches would say swim without getting wet. James Toney is a MASTERCLASS of that technique!
James is a good fighter better than people think great defence
One of the most skilful boxers of all time!
Tony was always ready to fight 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Toney was underrated
Very good vid 👌 Ruiz trainer should of told him to go to the body for damn sure. Tony a legit legend tho
Toney fought like an old fashioned technician from the 1950’s. Not really a mover, even tho he had excellent footwork. He preferred the inside and midrange, didn’t really feel the need to fight at range. Fundamentally solid, able to fight forwards and backwards, smooth, flowing movements, stinging punches; really a fun style to watch.
Toney don't get the credit that he deserves.. He is a bad, bad man..
I like Mr. Tony, but James popped and John sued him. NO CONTEST
James Toney is a natural born tough guy boxer with a very high IQ. He was avoided by all heavyweights at all costs. Many trainers said there's no way to prepare a fighter to fight Toney. Roy beat him off athleticism but Roy said he was hands down the best fighter he's fought.
James is probably my favorite boxer
UNCANNY MAVERICK MARVEL ABSOLUTELY 💯 Very entertaining bout 🎉🎉 Not talked about 😮 Tony looked 😊 good even 👍 at heavy weight. Good content 👌 Boxing my life Peace ✌️
My all time fantasy fight would be James Toney vs Usyk
James Toney is a heavyweight champion stop playing💯
Roy was the most gifted and Toney I always thought was the most talented!
Tony doesn't run like most boxers, love it
God I miss Jim Lampley and HBO boxing. Boxing hasn’t been the same since it went away.
Big time HBO best to ever to do it Period ™️💯 Jim, Max, Roy, great late Emmanuel stewards
@@MaybackMusicGroup1 Agreed!!
I always laughed when they went to larry merchant and he would yell JIM when it went back to lampley 😂😂
Loved Toney!
James Toney is the boxer you wanna be… while sitting on your couch😂‼️🫡💯
Yeah gotta be a bad man when 1:22 you win the heavyweight championship at 5 foot 9.
It was a no contest because of roids
I completely forgot about this 😂
James Toney the 🐐 greatest of all time