When Welty said Adi will be around longer than Yeezy will, that’s Ye’s whole point. I think Ye needs to leave and partner with a smaller company, or start from scratch, which is easier said than done.
all the bs aside and after all the points made in defense for kanye or for adidas it boils down to this: where was adidas right before Ye got there in contrast to today? that's it thats all that matters is the bottom line its America and capitalism (i don't like it that it comes down to money at the end of day but my and your feelings aside the reality in big business everything comes down to money). Pretend in a world were say Nike had caved and given Kanye what he wanted, where would Adidas be today? Its undeniable that he's made a massive in impact to adidas and he just wants to be in the convos and have more of a say. How you manage him is determined by how much you value him and willing to deal with his genius and his unwavering belief in his views. The profits come at a price, it's business. Adidas just needs to figure out how they wanna handle their end of the deal.
Kick game so unique & properrrrr ! Agreed with Welty, I'm an over packer as well. Nothing like having a different pair for each day ! There's no other trio in this world to talk about this topic but you guys for real ! Such an amazing episode !
40:49 okay then why not just drop Kanye at that point. Then sell them. If Kanye’s name is not attached and his design isn’t taken into consideration then it’s done. No one would buy them.
Hvnd does good work the craftsmanship is great. I don’t own a pair and I can’t imagine spending $1000 on them either but they are making quality shoes. To each his own at the end of the day.
I think we all respect Kanye as a creative, and if he’s getting short end of the stick on this, he should certainly be mad about it and try taking actions. Having said that, Going by how Kanye has acted in public in recent past, I don’t know I’ll buy the story from his mouth. I agree with complex team, the numbers do feel inflated. Right now, it’s only his side of the story.
I hope ye and adidas work out.. they’re a great team … I see adidas influence in some of ye’s model .. also see Adidas shoes influenced by yeezy models 🤷🏾♂️
1:05:36 But then a precedent gets set either way. You either keep Ye and get rid of DC quietly. Or Ye tries to leave his contract kicking and screaming. More stuff getting exposed and who knows what Ye will be up to next. Both situations are going to set precedents.
It’s true that Kanye needed a company like adidas to push yeezy to where it is now but it‘s not like adidas was the only company who could do that. So in my opinion Kanye is necessary for the success of yeezy in any form (not to downplay the effort adidas put into that brand)
Adidas still got the ultra boost, one of my fave shoes all time, and they still got Pharrell’s NMDs…Yeezy is a big part forsure, hope he doesn’t leave anytime soon
Matt Welty with the gym bro facts sumo is cheating and blazers are for dry scoop tik tok let me set up my tri pod in the middle of the gym. Also Podcast crew really doing God’s work on all sneaker news for real OG’s. Let’s retro the Air Bakins..
When do you think it’s appropriate for a shoe company to “redesign” a shoe? Like how Virgil did with Peter Moore’s air Jordan 1 ?? If Kanye leaves when will we get a redesign 350 turtle dove ???
i think Adidas not doing the yeezy store in soho was because they are capitalizing the scarcity of buying yeezys at retail example is new jordans not being in retail stores
I can’t believe he just said Adidas picked everything for Kanye are you freaking kidding me . He had some of his design before he even signed on to the company
Shoe brands don’t let you bring in prior design out of fear of copyright issues. Kanye is great and he might be completely right, but Adidas is big enough to drop him and survive just fine. Adidas killed Kolor and Silver, let Rick Owens walk etc… I don’t think they’re the company Kanye should play chicken with.
Nobody said Ye wants to takeover Adidas. He just wants to be respected. Is it that hard to invite him to the meetings and not bite his style? The thing Ye does best is putting together a team. He's the best ever at that. In Music, Fashion it doesn't matter. The guys still underestimate him. He would put the best designer in place to design and develop the soccer section at Adidas for example. I wouldn't limit him just to sneakers.
Wex leaving was a massive problem for adidas. This wouldn’t have happened if he was there. Kanye is so important to adidas. The guy has made a lot of there not yeezy product by relation sell out and be great sellers.
I revere Ye as an artist and love him as a fellow human being. He is a one in several life times gifted individual. Literally. As a black guy I understand the frustration of having to plug into the system and play the game that our ancestors have struggled with and were often excluded from and exploited by for generations. However, if you're going to say "I'm a billionaire" and "I am a god" and "I am the greatest" you want all this control you have to build it yourself. The game is the game and you chose to play it. You're playing their game. You can only win but so much. And you've won alot. But if you want more, you have to leave their game and play your own game. Leave their system and build your own system. As long as their validation is the highest esteem you have to live with that. Otherwise do some different. This whole thing is making Adidas and Yeezy look corny.
I really agree with this statement. Kanye is so popular that his products literally market themselves. If he doesn’t want brands to bite on his design or adapt it he has to make an independent brand himself. Just like Virgil. He collabed with nike and made silhouettes but they could never steal his independent designs cause he owned and operated his brand
@@l.j.russell902 that's exactly my point. I am no fashion industry expert. But that's exactly what Virgil did and it got Virgil to the spot that Kanye wanted to be in. Kanye Got a few shoes with Louis. Virgil got to run the brand. And alot of that was off the back of what Virgil did at his own brand and helping out on other people's brand and marketing. Virgil went from the guy in Kanye's infamous fashion week photo to CD of LV.
@@emwebb10 he has an admitted mental health issue. A have a couple friends who are bipolar and it's something you have to either have or be very close to in order to understand. It can be managed and you can thrive. So Ye can do it. It's all about finding his balance. My biggest thing is that Ye lost his mom. If his mom is still here we get a different version of Ye. I'm not saying all the antics would cease but everybody needs a center to come back to. Christ could be that for him. But it's different than your mother. Watching the documentary really increased my belief in his mom's passing being the reason why he lost some of his balance and his center. He'll get it back though. Lord willing
If Kanye West is really making $500m pa from sales then he can afford to buy Reebok and do what he wants with the firm. The reality is you cannot expect a global brand to hand over complete control to one person- let alone an erratic creative with no understanding of running vast international companies. Adidas sells more than just shoes- it’s range is vast and they’ve been doing it long before Kanye West was a thing and they’ll do it long after he’s gone. He took a gig curating a niche brand for a huge corporation. That seems to have gone well, it’s made him a lot of money. Now hubris and greed have got the better of him.
I think his claim about online sales percent could be right. Maybe not in terms of units but in terms of monetary value it's possible. Every Yeezy is sold online, for every Yeezy that sells at $250 Adidas need to sell a few pairs of Stan smiths or nmd to match it. It may not be that much of a % of all sales but for online only it could be. Also for a Yeezy retail store, it needs to have stock. You can't stock a store with items that always sell out
i get that sneaker brands often knock themselves off and make derivative shoes and all that, but I think the problem in this case is that these derivatives of yeezys, are not yeezys. From kanye’s prospective I think he feels like these shoes are adidas ripping him off bc they have making derivative work, not paying any royalties and then people are buying these because they can’t get yeezys at the price they want. I still don’t think this at all justifies his actions but i do think it is a little bit deeper then just kanye not looking derivative shoes.
You just explained why Kanye has a right to be mad and continued to say this doesn't justify his behaviour? Is he just supposed to stay quiet and allow things to happen to him?
@@JMartinJ there is a difference between acknowledging there is good reason for an action and justifying that action. Kanye crossed the line for what i think is justifiable in this situation, simple as. I think there are good reasons for him to be upset but that doesn’t give him immunity from criticism, especially when i think even if he was handling this more privately it would still be a bad move for both parties.
The fact that Kayne didn't design these shoes and Adidas designers did in my opinion. It gives them all the right to "knock it off "because it's a popular design. Even the Yeezy's have boost tech on them. Ye didn't design these shoes. He slapped his name on them.
nike didn't make louis vuitton and doir collaborations they just approved they won't sue is all . nike didn't even sell them . they do make all off whites though . so if what your saying about these bespoke being replicas put the louis vuitton and doir in same category answer me that guys ? ✊️ 🙏
its hard to tell. I believe when yeezy was small and in infancy stage they probably negotiated these terms. Its technically legal. If you sign out your rights to a good then they have a complete say. Most people sign deals like that with no leverage. Its just like wanting your masters after signing away music for a quick deal. Thats why its best to do it yourself but more than likely you won't succeed because the big companies will make sure you are black balled which you have to respect also.
That’s what made ye a billionaire though. Ye want yezzy for everyone. It’s his direction too. He could never reach that with nike with so limited release.
Alright, so I'll keep posting this on every episode in 2022 until eBay and Complex let overseas folks participate in the giveaway... If we can sell on eBay and pay fees, we should be able to participate.
great show, but i have to say as someone from the UK : put some respect on adidas. Their significance in soccer dwarfs the yeezy, and will past our lifetime. Their standpoint in sports equipment in general is absolutely crazy. If you think this yeezy shoe is important, go look up RUN DMC
Last years all I hear about is the dude Welty working out every day all that Baloney but I look him in this chair and bro looks the exact same as the first episode. You must be the guy doing sumo deadlifts in the gym..
Do you think Kanye should leave Adidas?
yes, He doesn't need them anymore, he needs Payless fr
yes. adidas and nike need to both regroup and come up with more original designs.
yes west don't need them the two highest selling out sneaker are jordan n yeezy dat part
When Welty said Adi will be around longer than Yeezy will, that’s Ye’s whole point. I think Ye needs to leave and partner with a smaller company, or start from scratch, which is easier said than done.
all the bs aside and after all the points made in defense for kanye or for adidas it boils down to this: where was adidas right before Ye got there in contrast to today? that's it thats all that matters is the bottom line its America and capitalism (i don't like it that it comes down to money at the end of day but my and your feelings aside the reality in big business everything comes down to money). Pretend in a world were say Nike had caved and given Kanye what he wanted, where would Adidas be today? Its undeniable that he's made a massive in impact to adidas and he just wants to be in the convos and have more of a say. How you manage him is determined by how much you value him and willing to deal with his genius and his unwavering belief in his views. The profits come at a price, it's business. Adidas just needs to figure out how they wanna handle their end of the deal.
Love this crew ! Welty, Joey calves an mr dunne well done
Btw here first
Welty where do you buy your exotic new balances !
Joey Calves 😂😂😂
Ay yo
I hope in some point, Welty sat down with Ye and talk it will be an interesting conversation from both sides.
Welty's description of the current state of Blazers is 100% accurate. And I love that he called out sumo deadlifters. 😂
He got free sneakers for basically asking “do you like replica sneakers ?“ …salute to that guy
I think Yeezy wants his own company that’s affiliated with Adidas just like how Jordan brand is a company that’s affiliated with Nike
Yeezy is his own brand that’s collaborating with adidas. Jordan is still owned by Nike, but operates independently.
It be smart
Dang it Dunne!!! Stop interrupting! Can they finish a thought? 😂😂😂
Welty on fire this episode.
welty sippin green out the double cup on air. this is beyond legendary
every car brand does the trickle down design language as well
Kick game so unique & properrrrr !
Agreed with Welty, I'm an over packer as well. Nothing like having a different pair for each day !
There's no other trio in this world to talk about this topic but you guys for real !
Such an amazing episode !
New silhouettes from Jordan/Nike never get the spotlight. I think the Granville Pro are good shoes tbh.
Welty spitting facts..... About time someone said it.!
How do you submit a question to the podcast?
They need to bring back Nike ACG air escape
26:50 Liquid Death to Hi-C Ecto Cooler
Slimer is the name of the green ghost btw
Love from India🇮🇳
40:49 okay then why not just drop Kanye at that point. Then sell them. If Kanye’s name is not attached and his design isn’t taken into consideration then it’s done. No one would buy them.
Hvnd does good work the craftsmanship is great. I don’t own a pair and I can’t imagine spending $1000 on them either but they are making quality shoes. To each his own at the end of the day.
I think we all respect Kanye as a creative, and if he’s getting short end of the stick on this, he should certainly be mad about it and try taking actions. Having said that, Going by how Kanye has acted in public in recent past, I don’t know I’ll buy the story from his mouth. I agree with complex team, the numbers do feel inflated. Right now, it’s only his side of the story.
Shout Out to Bobbito Gracia aka "Cool Bob Love" the OG who inspired this show....✌🏾✌🏽👑🙏🏾😎
Love these guys man genuine all stand up
great stuff as usual
gr8 ep
I hope ye and adidas work out.. they’re a great team … I see adidas influence in some of ye’s model .. also see Adidas shoes influenced by yeezy models 🤷🏾♂️
What adidas influence do you see in ye's model?
@@deadfresh10000 500s
@@deadfresh10000 boost technology
He should just make his own company tbh he’s got enough pull
@@deadfresh10000 the wave runner is a 1998 Aswego mash. The Yeezy 500 straight out of a Crazy 8 bin.
what about the mac attack nike SB reissue 10 yrs ago I believe they called it the "challenge court"
Those Mac's are sick Travis or not it's a dope classic clean sneaker.
I pack like Welty and had 4 pairs of shoes for Labor Day weekend 😂 I used the Kicks Kase Shoe bag!
I gotta laugh. I drove past adidas' headquarters in Portland yesterday. Didn't even know they were there til driving by. Beautiful bldg!
Everyone seems to forget if Ye leaves Adidas guess what stays at Adidas.. All the shoes...
Yuuuup, until 2026 they got the name and shoes
Are the guys no longer doing FSR with Trinidad??
1:05:36 But then a precedent gets set either way. You either keep Ye and get rid of DC quietly. Or Ye tries to leave his contract kicking and screaming. More stuff getting exposed and who knows what Ye will be up to next. Both situations are going to set precedents.
I got to think of a great question because those air forces are 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Why does Welty always have unlabeled liquids on the podcast? 😂 We need to get him a sponsorship or something
All of them have unlabeled liquids
If there’s an emergency episode don’t delay a week. Release both ;)
La Puma is the coolest name 😂
Keep ‘em coming fam!
".. .. .. .. .. what was that? A train" 🤣💀
'When I need to a lay a couple of grand..'
*Jim Jones 2005 voice* BAAAAALLLIIIINNNNN!!
It’s true that Kanye needed a company like adidas to push yeezy to where it is now but it‘s not like adidas was the only company who could do that. So in my opinion Kanye is necessary for the success of yeezy in any form (not to downplay the effort adidas put into that brand)
Not true and I know you see that now
Time stamps?
Addidas has to have a plan b ….
Kanye : give me the control of Yeezy
Just do it.
😂
Adidas still got the ultra boost, one of my fave shoes all time, and they still got Pharrell’s NMDs…Yeezy is a big part forsure, hope he doesn’t leave anytime soon
Yeezy better get with Big Baller Brand!
Fire.
The culture needed this.
At this point Kanye should sign with Payless they’ll let him do whatever he wants
💀😂
People will still buy it
Matt Welty with the gym bro facts sumo is cheating and blazers are for dry scoop tik tok let me set up my tri pod in the middle of the gym. Also Podcast crew really doing God’s work on all sneaker news for real OG’s. Let’s retro the Air Bakins..
Some people on here think Jordan Brand is separate from Nike!?! 🤣 🤣 🤣 "Ye should leave Adidas like Jordan left Nike!" 🤣🤣🤣
01:00:37 Adidas fault is hiring Jerry Lorenzo as Basketball Creative Director instead of Kanye which might have calmed down the situation.
When do you think it’s appropriate for a shoe company to “redesign” a shoe? Like how Virgil did with Peter Moore’s air Jordan 1 ?? If Kanye leaves when will we get a redesign 350 turtle dove ???
i think Adidas not doing the yeezy store in soho was because they are capitalizing the scarcity of buying yeezys at retail example is new jordans not being in retail stores
"if anybody's doing God's work, it's us." 💎💎💎
I would be curious to see what the “like” count would be on this episode
Can’t wait to see how this video ages. GOD DID!
i got the thinking different hack attack. based off the nike mac attack
Welty with all the New Balance...Can't ever have enough shoes and fits for a short trip
What are they key points to a sneaker being a hit?
Redman aint wutang tho
I can’t believe he just said Adidas picked everything for Kanye are you freaking kidding me . He had some of his design before he even signed on to the company
Welty should shut up!
Tell me more Yeezy stan
Shoe brands don’t let you bring in prior design out of fear of copyright issues. Kanye is great and he might be completely right, but Adidas is big enough to drop him and survive just fine. Adidas killed Kolor and Silver, let Rick Owens walk etc… I don’t think they’re the company Kanye should play chicken with.
Nobody said Ye wants to takeover Adidas. He just wants to be respected. Is it that hard to invite him to the meetings and not bite his style?
The thing Ye does best is putting together a team. He's the best ever at that. In Music, Fashion it doesn't matter.
The guys still underestimate him. He would put the best designer in place to design and develop the soccer section at Adidas for example. I wouldn't limit him just to sneakers.
Ye has never made good performance equipment so I think its fair to say he probably wouldn't be the best at making performance cleats.
Jerry Lorenzo is signed with Adidas now isn’t he?
"alright its an hour show"
Got a genuine outward laugh from me!
Welty is wearing new balances and he talks about Adidas yeezy is funny to me 🤣🤣
Wex leaving was a massive problem for adidas. This wouldn’t have happened if he was there. Kanye is so important to adidas. The guy has made a lot of there not yeezy product by relation sell out and be great sellers.
There’s a McEnroe Doc on showtime coming out later this year. Wonder if that has anything to do with the retro.
I revere Ye as an artist and love him as a fellow human being. He is a one in several life times gifted individual. Literally.
As a black guy I understand the frustration of having to plug into the system and play the game that our ancestors have struggled with and were often excluded from and exploited by for generations.
However, if you're going to say "I'm a billionaire" and "I am a god" and "I am the greatest" you want all this control you have to build it yourself. The game is the game and you chose to play it. You're playing their game. You can only win but so much. And you've won alot. But if you want more, you have to leave their game and play your own game. Leave their system and build your own system. As long as their validation is the highest esteem you have to live with that. Otherwise do some different.
This whole thing is making Adidas and Yeezy look corny.
I really agree with this statement. Kanye is so popular that his products literally market themselves. If he doesn’t want brands to bite on his design or adapt it he has to make an independent brand himself. Just like Virgil. He collabed with nike and made silhouettes but they could never steal his independent designs cause he owned and operated his brand
@@l.j.russell902 that's exactly my point. I am no fashion industry expert. But that's exactly what Virgil did and it got Virgil to the spot that Kanye wanted to be in. Kanye Got a few shoes with Louis. Virgil got to run the brand. And alot of that was off the back of what Virgil did at his own brand and helping out on other people's brand and marketing. Virgil went from the guy in Kanye's infamous fashion week photo to CD of LV.
100%
@@3d1k3 but I think Kanye unstable personally is the reason why he can’t get in that position similar to Virgil.
@@emwebb10 he has an admitted mental health issue. A have a couple friends who are bipolar and it's something you have to either have or be very close to in order to understand. It can be managed and you can thrive. So Ye can do it. It's all about finding his balance. My biggest thing is that Ye lost his mom. If his mom is still here we get a different version of Ye. I'm not saying all the antics would cease but everybody needs a center to come back to. Christ could be that for him. But it's different than your mother. Watching the documentary really increased my belief in his mom's passing being the reason why he lost some of his balance and his center. He'll get it back though. Lord willing
If Kanye West is really making $500m pa from sales then he can afford to buy Reebok and do what he wants with the firm. The reality is you cannot expect a global brand to hand over complete control to one person- let alone an erratic creative with no understanding of running vast international companies. Adidas sells more than just shoes- it’s range is vast and they’ve been doing it long before Kanye West was a thing and they’ll do it long after he’s gone. He took a gig curating a niche brand for a huge corporation. That seems to have gone well, it’s made him a lot of money. Now hubris and greed have got the better of him.
Gonna forgive Welty for saying Sumo Deadlifts are cheating because I know he's not talking about tall people, or tall himself...
He made it to Atlanta
Holding my yeezys
It would be very funny if Kanye went to SAS I sold them and only people getting those are 75+
Fire Episode. Brendan, love you man but you've got a stop interrupting my boy Joe
OK Adidas let Kanye go and get someone else to do the same thing since you feel that way buddy
ok adidas give your whole company to a volatile, capricious, impulsive, near sighted person just because he threw a public temper tantrum.
12:25 I needed this laugh today
1993 Air trainer accel mids need to come back, forget the mack attacks
I think his claim about online sales percent could be right. Maybe not in terms of units but in terms of monetary value it's possible. Every Yeezy is sold online, for every Yeezy that sells at $250 Adidas need to sell a few pairs of Stan smiths or nmd to match it. It may not be that much of a % of all sales but for online only it could be.
Also for a Yeezy retail store, it needs to have stock. You can't stock a store with items that always sell out
You sippin in that cup Welty? 🧐
I think Pedialyte
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
i get that sneaker brands often knock themselves off and make derivative shoes and all that, but I think the problem in this case is that these derivatives of yeezys, are not yeezys. From kanye’s prospective I think he feels like these shoes are adidas ripping him off bc they have making derivative work, not paying any royalties and then people are buying these because they can’t get yeezys at the price they want. I still don’t think this at all justifies his actions but i do think it is a little bit deeper then just kanye not looking derivative shoes.
You just explained why Kanye has a right to be mad and continued to say this doesn't justify his behaviour? Is he just supposed to stay quiet and allow things to happen to him?
@@JMartinJ there is a difference between acknowledging there is good reason for an action and justifying that action. Kanye crossed the line for what i think is justifiable in this situation, simple as. I think there are good reasons for him to be upset but that doesn’t give him immunity from criticism, especially when i think even if he was handling this more privately it would still be a bad move for both parties.
The fact that Kayne didn't design these shoes and Adidas designers did in my opinion. It gives them all the right to "knock it off "because it's a popular design. Even the Yeezy's have boost tech on them. Ye didn't design these shoes. He slapped his name on them.
@@pinguinthecity4603 what alternative approach do you think he shouldve took?
@@honestcomment862 His Yeezy team designed the foam runner's in conjuction with the guy who used to design new balancea
13:40 OMFG SUMO DEADLIFT CHEATING 🤣
Not blazers being worn by people who dry eat pre workout 😂😂😂😂😂
That’s so accurate
he belongs on the board of directors for both adiadas and gap
The best....
Sumo dead lifts target certain muscles more than a normal deadlift & vice versa, c’mon now Welty 🙄
nike didn't make louis vuitton and doir collaborations they just approved they won't sue is all . nike didn't even sell them . they do make all off whites though . so if what your saying about these bespoke being replicas put the louis vuitton and doir in same category answer me that guys ? ✊️ 🙏
its hard to tell. I believe when yeezy was small and in infancy stage they probably negotiated these terms. Its technically legal. If you sign out your rights to a good then they have a complete say.
Most people sign deals like that with no leverage. Its just like wanting your masters after signing away music for a quick deal.
Thats why its best to do it yourself but more than likely you won't succeed because the big companies will make sure you are black balled which you have to respect also.
🐐🐐🐐
Yeah these factory are crazy when they got freelance shoe makers when Adidas clock out
I remember reselling Yeezy 350 v2 for £300-400 now you can’t even get 30 above retail …
That’s what made ye a billionaire though. Ye want yezzy for everyone. It’s his direction too. He could never reach that with nike with so limited release.
Good
I sold my used ones £600 years ago, and I could go and buy the same ones for £220 today 🤣
Welty just spitting facts and reality that Kanye need to accept. He's being impossible in this situation.
Ye better release yahndi after all this drama
He gonna need the money
Alright, so I'll keep posting this on every episode in 2022 until eBay and Complex let overseas folks participate in the giveaway... If we can sell on eBay and pay fees, we should be able to participate.
Welty = "Like"
great show, but i have to say as someone from the UK : put some respect on adidas. Their significance in soccer dwarfs the yeezy, and will past our lifetime. Their standpoint in sports equipment in general is absolutely crazy. If you think this yeezy shoe is important, go look up RUN DMC
Bro the queen died, you should be worried about that not adidas
Last years all I hear about is the dude Welty working out every day all that Baloney but I look him in this chair and bro looks the exact same as the first episode. You must be the guy doing sumo deadlifts in the gym..
5 pairs of shoes and no underwear lol
Pharrell is a better designer than Kanye. And Jerry Lorenzo might be as well.
Dunne finally went to atlanta
What is that 1 sneaker u will never let near your feet?
Kanye just like all these other designer brands. Hes done ripped off other peoples designs too
yes, am a over packer