Just to clarify for a few people, there was a question I wanted to answer in the Q&A but forgot, it was what do I call an episode after it's been updated AGAIN? Short Answer: Probably EX Long Answer: Just like I plan to get rid of 2.0 Episodes by eventually adding all the info from them into future DX episodes (2.0 #1 is gone now for example, and #2 was renamed) Once all the planned DX episodes are done, I plan to remove the DX in the title/thumbnail. That's why you never see DX mentioned in the episode itself. I simply call them DX episodes so people know it IS a new video, and not just the old one again. Later, once the DX labels ARE removed for the videos, all the outdated videos will ALSO be deleted. But for those who have been around to see the "DX" naming, I will be using "EX" instead, just to signify, once again, it IS a new video! =D
Out of curiousity, what are your thoughts on taranza's queen"'s phantom" attack, from my personal perspective (and also trying to be optimistic for dededepressed spider boi) That is the ghost of sectonia as one of the definitions of phantom is ghost (the other is a mirage or illusion if i remember correctly but its effects are too real to be an illusion) but those are just my thoughts.
Magolor came back and redeemed himself, Susie was able to move forward to rebuild the company, Hyness was cured of his insanity and the Mages were reverted to normal. But Taranza... He unwillingly caused the downfall of his loved one and had no choice but to help Kirby kill her, and still hasn't got past his depression. He's truly the most tragic of the modern Kirby villains. Oh and he's also a monster against bosses in Star Allies because of all the stuff he can place on screen and his fully charged Down B being probably the most damaging move in the game excluding limited-used abilities.
God, now I can’t help but imagine Sectonia looking into the mirror and Dark Metaknight on the other side going „How can I help you, Queen Sectonia?“ and Taranza demanding a money-back guarantee.
In one of her boss descriptions (or a Miiverse post, can't remember which), it is stated that Sectonia's kind possess/control other beings before/while feeding off of them/their power. This is likely why Sectonia transformed. Also, in Super Kirby Clash, the Sectonia headgear claims to resemble one of Sectonia's (former) coworkers.
That dark bastard is gonna be striped of his wing privileges, throbbing blood onto the floor for ruining sectonia. He will pay, trust me, I own a sonic plushie striped of legs amand arms and eyes and a nose losing stuffing by the second...that dark bastard better watch out...ahahahahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It’s also heavily hinted that Taranza has... “deeper” feelings for Sectonia. Which is probably why he has such a hard time just moving on. Also, hope you’re feeling better!
He just never had the courage to tell her. I’m guessing he was hoping she would take the hint after being given the Dimensional Mirror but we all know the results.
Isn't there already an enemy called Dark Soul? Or am I tripping? *Looks up Wiki* Oh, I am actually right. It is the german name of the batty-enemy. Why they gave a random enemy an amazing english name in the german localisation is a mystery to me, but I'll take it.
tfw you give your best friend/crush a mirror for their birthday but they end up going insane with vanity and trying to commit mass genocide against a race of flower fairies.
Truly is one of the sadder stories in the games. Being honest its always sad when the end is the only option for a corrupted or suffering creature, especially if they only meant well in the beginning or an action that was meant well went horribly.
I wonder if Sectonia can still be saved... what if her "true" soul is stuck on the other side of the amazing mirror? If Dedede tour is cannon than she'd definitely be dead. But I don't think it is. So could her good side still be saved from where ever that darn mirror is?
well, for being kirby games... i dont think that she can be saved, i mean oh cmon they add a new character... and then? leave it there, with an uncopleted story... this is the bad of kirby games.
Does anyone wonder if all the hints of Taranza missing and searching for Sectonia could be building up to a sequel for Triple Deluxe.... And for Amazing Mirror? With the whole 'Sectonia's true form reflected in the mirror' art and all, her true form being trapped within the mirror world could be used as a plot point to reintroduce us into a remake/sequel of Amazing Mirror. I thought that'd be kinda neat.
Oop, I didn't know that, thanks for clarifying. I still don't think the Mirror being destroyed is the end of the Mirror world though. HAL is good at pleasing fans like that XD @@bigmaxethanschannel1428
It was never stated that the Dream Friends aren’t canon. In fact, they actually are. It was stated that Dark Meta Knight was somehow revived in his Japanese pause descriptions. Most Dream Friends are given reasons as to why they are there, apart from just being there to help Kirby fight off evil. The only ones that are arguably non-canon are the Three Mage-Sisters, as while Kirby does befriend them, it’s only at the end of the complete story of Star Allies, after all the events had passed. Dededetour is not canon, so the Dimension Mirror wasn’t actually destroyed.
You also gotta note that in Team Kirby Clash, after you beat Taranza in evil form, he is sitting on the Shoppe holding the Dreamstalk flower, and he holds it close to. He remembers Sectonia and holds a part of her in that flower, keeping his old friend close at all times. Its very sweet when you think about it, he just misses his friend
I really hope in a future Kirby game Taranza appears again and teams up with Kirby so they can save Sectonia's real soul from the mirror... if she's not dead
In the light novels, Taranza still can't quite come to terms with it. In one of them, he talks to the Dimentional Mirror's illusion of Pre-Mirror Sectonia, resulting from a wish to have her back. That's not the real one. He was REALLY out of it in that novel.
The reason the Queen Sectonia clone was made in the first place in Kirby: Planet Robobot was because, originally, it was going to be a direct sequel. Queen Sectonia must have been implemented in the game before they decided to make a unique story, and they managed to fit her into the extra story.
Y'know, time after time, the "final boss" that comes before the one that breaks all the rules, Sectonia, Haltman, Hyness, they take out the "minion like characters" zan partizanne, francissca, flamberge, taranza, susie. They always lose care and harm/take out them, which usually results in a revolt, but not with the mage sisters. With the mage sisters, you litteraly had to hop dimensions for friend hearts to yeet a big heart at them
It could be possible that in the future, Kirby could tell Taranza about the Novas and possibly get help from those that know about it like Marx, Magalor, and possibly Sussie and Hynes to find another Nova to possibly have Taranza bring back Sectonia before she was corrupted be the mirror. (Sussie because she was working with her father on Star Dream which was part of a Nova that Kirby destroyed in Planet Robobot and Hynes since it is possible he could be an achent as well and may have some knowledge of the Novas as well and he does owe Kirby for saving him from what he became.)
syweb2 it’s a fighting game term. Short for Okizeme, it’s when you pressure someone when they get up from a knockdown. Since Taranza, along with other setplay based characters can set up traps, the traps can act as hands free pressure, allowing Taranza to do whatever he want. If you want to see this applied in an actual fighting game, you can check this example, which also uses a setplay based spider themed character: ruclips.net/video/WR8gb---o3It/видео.html=70 (at about 1:10) Now when are we getting a Kirby fighting game in the Star Allies engine?
One of the animations from the Star Allies Main Menu has Taranza look like he wants to talk to Adeleine and Susie. Poor guy just wants to find himself a new queen.
It's been a while since i've seen this channel and now i'm gifted With a "What is Kirby Canon " video my satisfaction is immeasurable and my day is saved
Man sectonia fate and taranza’s sorrow is so sad. I love how Star allies in a way just disregards that sadness by at first saying taranza is a sad lonely insect on his journey to find his queen, AND HES ONE OF YOUR NEW DREAM FRIENDS. Lmao they just add that last part so happily
Thanks for more insight on sectonia and taranza! I believe taranza will continue trying to find sectonia. Perhaps it will bring more trouble for kirby? One thing is for sure he knows he wouldn't grant the wish from a nova. As he knows what had happened to haltmann's fate presumably' and that his wish will never come true from a peice of technology. ( stated in an interview ). Taranza truly just wants to be loved and understood..! It is also possible that sectonia may still be alive out there somewhere.. perhaps somewhere within the mirror world? As soul bosses such as marx and magolor have shown to have survived! The celebration picture even shows sectonia within the mirror..! So anything can be possible! If sectonia doesn't come back, I hope taranza can truly find someone..! Perhaps susie or adeleine? He was seen trying to talk with them In the star allies menu! Let me know what you think!
IMO, I believe after looking at the celebration picture I think someone or something snatched her mind / soul and imprisoned it into the mirror or at least her kindness leaving her body a husk or possessed it. Could be Dark Mind or MK but can't say for sure since it's my theory.
I have a theory what if team Kirby clash is cannon but in another dimension and magalor and taranza are from the original dreamland dimension maybe magalor wanted to help taranza with maybe bring sectonia back to her original good self
Good to hear you're doing well! Anyways, wow. This all so incredibly confusing, it's hard to keep up. These characters are so deep, they're like real people. Tales of forgiveness, regret, love sickness, ect, it makes your head spin, even when in the end they're alright. You can't help but root for them. I think there's something in my eye... Edit: Get ready for the next episode of "What is Kirby Canon?", Characters with similar body structure! Floating disembodied hands galore! Seriously. There's a lot there. I'm also kinda surprised you haven't touched the Ado-Adeline relationship yet. (That I know of.) If you're still sick take it easy, you don't have to rush!
Given the lack of clear canon, there could be an outcome where Taranza is killed by the Soul boss, yet not present to trigger events of the Dream Kingdom, if you're into heaping more tragedy on Floralia's case. As for myself, I do find that to be a stretch, and agree with the quote's rewording. Sectonia's true self might be the spider, but if she is indeed ancient like Kracko, Whispy, etc. and has had countless hosts, I suspect she is a Dark Matter that took on Taranza's form and failed to reciprocate his friendship. Dark Matter isn't known to be a lover. It would also be a cool twist to explain why the Queen and Dark Blade are the only other clones Haltmann makes beyond Dedede. If the turncoat Matter and Swordsman didn't work, than what of Void's creation from the other side: A Popopo like Galacta? So Meta's three tests from Star Dream would then have extra unity, and group identity.
A neat little detail with the sectonia clone is that the heart on her chest is broken where as in Triple deluxe it is not since she has not been defeated
I hope we get remakes of both this game and Planet Robobot bundled together but ported in a similar manner to Kirby's return to dreamland deluxe i.e. They both have bonus campaigns that serve as counterparts to the magolor Epilogue for Taranza and Susie but moreso grant them closure with their loved Ones Insha-Allah
Yes, Taranza is indeed a very tragic character in the Kirby franchise; however, I believe that it is actually Dark Matter and Zero who are the most tragic characters within the series because according to the Japanese version of the Kirby's Dreamland 2 guide book, Dark Matter was very lonely and went about befriending others the wrong way by possessing them. Then, instead of being taught kindness, love, and the other virtues of friendship, Kirby just slices it up with the Rainbow Sword. Dark matter returns again in the sequel, Dreamland 3 but with Zero this time and when he fights em with the love love stick, you realize that the very thing they desired most, is what kills them. In the Crystal Shards, they return once more with Zero reincarnated as 02. In the battle with 02, every single shard shot into its eye brings about bloody tears due to not only physical pain, but also the psychological torment of having the inability to experience any form of positivity whatsoever. And when Kirby defeats 02, it just closes its eye as it approaches death once again. It doesn't attempt to pull off one last retaliation against the one who neglected to show it the path to redemption, but instead just gives up, only to be reincarnated as Dark Nebula (because the japanese translation of its name is Dark Zero). Thinking about it now, maybe the low difficulty of that final battle in Squeak Squad was intentional because maybe it represents Zero's lack of will to go on with life and just wants Kirby to put it out of its misery quickly so that perhaps its cycle of reincarnation will finally end. Sure, you can say that after reincarnating itself as Void Termina, Void Soul, and Void, it was finally granted the positivity it oh so desired by the time Void was reincarnated as Kirb; but does that really undo all the damage done to its past lives? because I'm pretty sure that somewhere, deep down, lies the memories of being obliterated time and time again and the road to recovery from all that is might as well last thousands upon thousands of kilometers. That stuff is nothing compared to unintentionally causing the demise of a long-time crush, because as U.K. poet, Alfred Lord Tennyson once said: "Tis better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all."
Niccole Hunt oh that happened? I thought Kirby and gooey were both meant to be more dark matters and were both neutral instead of being good/bad ( i said neutral because Kirby murders everything) and zero saw this and Sent our a really powerful dark matter, Kirby won, zero had to take him on himself with a tough l time and time again, i think this because it said in voids description “a dream of freinds reunited”
There is a theory that Kirby doesn’t have as good intentions as it seems, but I implore you to think that perhaps Kirby just didn’t realize Dark Matter was a friend. It’s no secret that Kirby is fairly naive, given Adventure/Nightmare in Dreamland, so perhaps that was just Kirby’s naiveness as work?
Side Question: does heaven exist in Kirby’s universe? Because in the paragraph where it says that Taranza is hoping for a miracle it says “But if he could just reach that bright light...”
I don’t think you mentioned the stone Kirby transformation in star allies which shows sectonias true form even better than the celebration picture and sectonia clone
I watched an animatic with an amazing epic cover of Coldplay's "Viva La Vida" depicting how Queen Sectonia got the Dimension Mirror as a gift from Taranza and was corrupted by it, followed by the events of Triple Deluxe. It at first depicts a Sectonia that was loved by both the insect and the flower people, and her relationship with Taranza was more than just good friends - they were in love. It was a real tearjerker, I'll say that much.
kirby triple deluxe is my childhood and know ing my favorite spider boi of all time most likely has deppresion knowing his one love is dead never to come back breaks my heart (no joke i legit cried at this fact the first time i heard it)
I really hope he addresses the mirror world Taranza from Team Kirby Clash Deluxe (I feel like that might be Queen Sectonia's true form since it is basically bee Taranza)
I know this video is like 3 years old but i have a theory about the amazing mirror. So i think the amazing mirror, the master crown, and the clockwork star are related. We know the ancients made the master crown and nova and that they have something to do with dark matter. So I'm thinking that's what the amazing mirror is too. also if you look on top of the amazing mirror the crown on top looks like the master crown. I think that all these things made by the ancients have dark matter with them. In some pause screen lore for magolor it says that the master crown takes darkness inside the host and amplifies it. Maybe all the ancients work do that. and maybe its not just amplifying the darkness its adding dark matter to the host. Which is why marx is related to dark matter and you see his scythe move in a lot of dark matter bosses. When marx used nova to become strong nova gave dark matter to him to make him stronger. When Magolor used the master crown the same thing happened to him. and maybe the Amazing Mirror does something to that effect. It takes darkness from you and makes a new entity with dark matter. This is why shadow kirby is not evil. Kirby has no darkness in him. Maybe by sectonia staring at the mirror too long she swapped places with her dark form. Maybe the ancients worshipped dark matter or something.
Hey Meteorz! Here is a very interesting theory.. probably one of my favorite! : Ancient Fairytales. Are the people of the sky ancient beings or related to them? The people of the sky not only have the abandoned paint studio on their turf, they have ancient ruins that were made most likely made by them as of for their cultural heritage on snakes, they have advanced technology in royal road, strange portals? Similar to what I said with paintra knowing landia, it seems someone knew magolor. A portrait of him in wild world level 3 is shown. This place also seems abandoned? Could just be a reference? I honestly don't know. and of course they got the miracle fruit that works very similar to the novas power's! You may think- what do you mean? That's not right- well the thing is the nova brought Marx's soul right? Well the miracle fruit brings sectonia's soul! Isn't that weird? And of course this fruit is a symbol on void terminas body! Why did they grow these fruits anyways? Also.. The people of the sky happen to be fairy's? The only other fairies we have seen.. was in ripple star, which also have some tech! For example the ufo with hearts that appears in the bad ending! ..and a weapon that can kill dark matter..? How do they have such a weapon? Elline is also a fairy, she happens to be friends with claycia who has ancient blueprints for hoopalagoon. It also stated it is a relic to these ancient ruins of which she made. Of course they also have pretty advanced tech. Such as the bastron, interestingly it says it was made for pleasure cruises? Kinda like what the lor starcutter was made for..? Unrelated topic, claycia was able to open a hole in the sky like a portal? Was this her own power or dark crafters? She even has doors that kick you out if you run out of time, did she make those as well? Back to elline though, she is referred as a magic paintbrush.. and she seems to work the same way as the magical paintbrush from kirby canvus curse? Was the magical paintbrush based off elline? Was drawcia based off claycia? Did the artist know claycia and elline? Or was claycia another portrait entirely? As in planet robobot there is a sticker of claycia inside of a portrait? Though it is said she is not to be related to drawcia as of being her sister so uh? It's more likely leaning on the artist being inspired by them, but What also makes me interested is how both elline and the magical paintbrush left their partners and both thought that kirby would be the best of help on stopping the evil. Anyways, Im not sure but what do you think? Let me know!
I like to think that if Marx can survive being exploded inside Nova and Magolor was alive after turning into dust... Yeah Sectonia and Haltzmann still might have a chance, what is losing the soul anyway
Not sure if the details on Sectonia Clone mean anything but if you look at Sectonia DX in Triple Deluxe you'll see a full heart. However, if you were to look at Sectonia Clone's form, she has a broken heart. Not sure what it could mean (if anything at all) but it's an interesting detail nonetheless. Edit: looking back at Sectonia Clone the heart is exactly like that of Star Dream
kirby triple deluxe is pretty sad, on top of the fact that with the Japanese translation saying she doesent even know her self any more and had silenced a voice ccalling to her, TARANZA GRIEVED FOR 4 YEARS AND STILL IS IN STAR ALLIES
Just to clarify for a few people, there was a question I wanted to answer in the Q&A but forgot, it was what do I call an episode after it's been updated AGAIN?
Short Answer: Probably EX
Long Answer: Just like I plan to get rid of 2.0 Episodes by eventually adding all the info from them into future DX episodes (2.0 #1 is gone now for example, and #2 was renamed) Once all the planned DX episodes are done, I plan to remove the DX in the title/thumbnail. That's why you never see DX mentioned in the episode itself. I simply call them DX episodes so people know it IS a new video, and not just the old one again.
Later, once the DX labels ARE removed for the videos, all the outdated videos will ALSO be deleted. But for those who have been around to see the "DX" naming, I will be using "EX" instead, just to signify, once again, it IS a new video! =D
Wait, so you're going to delete the old videos?
Not for a while, but really, all the old videos have old/incorrect information, there's no real point to keep them honestly...
Out of curiousity, what are your thoughts on taranza's queen"'s phantom" attack, from my personal perspective (and also trying to be optimistic for dededepressed spider boi)
That is the ghost of sectonia as one of the definitions of phantom is ghost (the other is a mirage or illusion if i remember correctly but its effects are too real to be an illusion) but those are just my thoughts.
Didnt you actually answer that on the QnA
@@alphaamoeba where?
Magolor came back and redeemed himself, Susie was able to move forward to rebuild the company, Hyness was cured of his insanity and the Mages were reverted to normal. But Taranza... He unwillingly caused the downfall of his loved one and had no choice but to help Kirby kill her, and still hasn't got past his depression. He's truly the most tragic of the modern Kirby villains.
Oh and he's also a monster against bosses in Star Allies because of all the stuff he can place on screen and his fully charged Down B being probably the most damaging move in the game excluding limited-used abilities.
He’s my main.
All of the pent up depression in our little Taranza is being fully unleashed in Star Allies.
And most importantly void termina is dead
I hope
@@ToxicPea I main Marx, can you blame me tho lol.
Have you ever played soul meter ex with 4 magalors. R.I.P frame rates
*Killing morpho knight wont bring sectonia back, taranza.*
oh ok
Heh, good joke.
*Making fun of taranza won't bring Claus back either, Lucas*
Won't bring any loved ones back Taranza and Lucas.
You too Bayonetta your mom dead and dad is possessed.
Excuse me why is this comment bigger than Christopher robi- moon
God, now I can’t help but imagine Sectonia looking into the mirror and Dark Metaknight on the other side going „How can I help you, Queen Sectonia?“ and Taranza demanding a money-back guarantee.
Nuuuuuuuu now I can imagine it and it's hilarious
It's late, let me sleep lmao
I NEED A MONSTAH TO CLABBA THAT THERE KERBEH
@@star-th4oh That's what we do best at NME
@@MetastarULTRA "It better come with a money-back guarantee!"
@@theholyketchup6445 *epic jazz*
You can see her true form in the shape of a rock, when you use the rock ability
Unga Bunga Correct -o-Mumdo
For a strange second, I thought you were implying that Sectonia is really just a rock that turned into a bee
@@Edgeperor wouldn't that be a twist!
@@Edgeperor Me too
In kirby star allies
If they are spiders, and the description says: "She'd fed off countless hosts" that means she ate other bugs to transform?
Hawrix her true form definitely resembles that of a spider and spiders in popstar evolve into bees and wasps.....right?
There are wasps that hijack spiders, so Sectonia may be intended to be a reverse of that.
That´s creppy.
In one of her boss descriptions (or a Miiverse post, can't remember which), it is stated that Sectonia's kind possess/control other beings before/while feeding off of them/their power. This is likely why Sectonia transformed. Also, in Super Kirby Clash, the Sectonia headgear claims to resemble one of Sectonia's (former) coworkers.
@@syweb2 I think its the Miiverse post that said it
Bruh Taranza is the saddest character in Kirby at least to me
Taranza is right on par with Haltmann by means of how tragic they are.
Queen Sectonia: the first of the modern tragic villains; corrupted by the “Amazing” Mirror, hungry for eternal beauty and world conquest
Good job Jimmy.
Dark meta knight: YOU'RE WELCOME.
Fun fact: in the Dutch version of star allies it says that Taranza is in search for HIS queen, not A queen
True, but the Dutch version wasn't the original description. You'd have to look at the Japanese description.
@@epicgreenkirby True, but it could hint to what the developers were intending with the lore.
Mistranslations cant hint at anything canon
Lol Dutch Taranza is a simp.
@@griddmeirax Well...
Poor Taranza never scored, his relationship with Sectonia never got to *_bloom..._*
Now you're pfp is morpho knight ex
Instead of bloom, he found her doom!
@@kirby771 Which rhymes with Recoom!
Couldn't help myself. x,D
Is this a joke to you?
@@IronMoth. In the immortal words of the one true king Dedede "the suffering of others is the most amusing thing there is"
;-; This is so sad, Alexa play Moonstruck Blossom
Alexa... can we also kill dark meta knight ?
That dark bastard is gonna be striped of his wing privileges, throbbing blood onto the floor for ruining sectonia. He will pay, trust me, I own a sonic plushie striped of legs amand arms and eyes and a nose losing stuffing by the second...that dark bastard better watch out...ahahahahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@@nataliasoto9681 should I get you a therapist
@@jam4536 maybe you should
It’s also heavily hinted that Taranza has... “deeper” feelings for Sectonia. Which is probably why he has such a hard time just moving on.
Also, hope you’re feeling better!
He just never had the courage to tell her. I’m guessing he was hoping she would take the hint after being given the Dimensional Mirror but we all know the results.
Poor guy deserves a girlfriend after what happened to him
fodv93 so that’s why he’s going for dem gurls in 1 of the Star Allies screen skits.
@@ToxicPea He can out his 6 hands to use if you know what I mean
fodv93 and coincidentally there are exactly 3 girls in that skit....why are talking abou this? Just stop.
Sooner or later we’re probably getting a Kirby boss just called.... Dark Soul.
Which is the butterfly that took over Galacta Knight in Star Allies
Could be Science D.
except the boss "Dark Soul" is just Kirby having to play the game Dark Souls
Isn't there already an enemy called Dark Soul? Or am I tripping? *Looks up Wiki* Oh, I am actually right. It is the german name of the batty-enemy. Why they gave a random enemy an amazing english name in the german localisation is a mystery to me, but I'll take it.
@@lpfan4491 There's Dark Nebula, sorta? Its name in Japanese is "Dark Zero".
tfw you give your best friend/crush a mirror for their birthday but they end up going insane with vanity and trying to commit mass genocide against a race of flower fairies.
Don't you just hate it when that happens.
Sayvion Washington so annoying
Feels bad man
@@ShockHat734 ong bro
Truly is one of the sadder stories in the games. Being honest its always sad when the end is the only option for a corrupted or suffering creature, especially if they only meant well in the beginning or an action that was meant well went horribly.
I wonder if Sectonia can still be saved... what if her "true" soul is stuck on the other side of the amazing mirror? If Dedede tour is cannon than she'd definitely be dead. But I don't think it is. So could her good side still be saved from where ever that darn mirror is?
I really hope a miracle happens in the future
Should this be the case, they’ve left the door wide open for an Amazing Mirror sequel.
*laughs in 2020. New kirby game soon*
@@thefunwashere6221 yes
well, for being kirby games... i dont think that she can be saved, i mean oh cmon they add a new character... and then? leave it there, with an uncopleted story... this is the bad of kirby games.
Does anyone wonder if all the hints of Taranza missing and searching for Sectonia could be building up to a sequel for Triple Deluxe.... And for Amazing Mirror? With the whole 'Sectonia's true form reflected in the mirror' art and all, her true form being trapped within the mirror world could be used as a plot point to reintroduce us into a remake/sequel of Amazing Mirror. I thought that'd be kinda neat.
YJ_Doodle but at the end of dedede tour, the Mirror gets destroyed by king dedede.
@@bigmaxethanschannel1428 DMK still hangs around to be a Dream Friend though! Maybe the Mirror is just one pathway into the Mirror World?
YJ_Doodle The dream friends are non-Canon.
Oop, I didn't know that, thanks for clarifying. I still don't think the Mirror being destroyed is the end of the Mirror world though. HAL is good at pleasing fans like that XD @@bigmaxethanschannel1428
It was never stated that the Dream Friends aren’t canon. In fact, they actually are. It was stated that Dark Meta Knight was somehow revived in his Japanese pause descriptions. Most Dream Friends are given reasons as to why they are there, apart from just being there to help Kirby fight off evil. The only ones that are arguably non-canon are the Three Mage-Sisters, as while Kirby does befriend them, it’s only at the end of the complete story of Star Allies, after all the events had passed. Dededetour is not canon, so the Dimension Mirror wasn’t actually destroyed.
You also gotta note that in Team Kirby Clash, after you beat Taranza in evil form, he is sitting on the Shoppe holding the Dreamstalk flower, and he holds it close to. He remembers Sectonia and holds a part of her in that flower, keeping his old friend close at all times. Its very sweet when you think about it, he just misses his friend
I really hope in a future Kirby game Taranza appears again and teams up with Kirby so they can save Sectonia's real soul from the mirror... if she's not dead
Mabey in a remake
In the light novels, Taranza still can't quite come to terms with it. In one of them, he talks to the Dimentional Mirror's illusion of Pre-Mirror Sectonia, resulting from a wish to have her back. That's not the real one. He was REALLY out of it in that novel.
The reason the Queen Sectonia clone was made in the first place in Kirby: Planet Robobot was because, originally, it was going to be a direct sequel. Queen Sectonia must have been implemented in the game before they decided to make a unique story, and they managed to fit her into the extra story.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
Captain LastrEo
Miiverse
Logically, since Robobot is clearly built on Triple Deluxe, I can't imagine it was too difficult to port a boss over. Same goes for Coily Rattler.
I would honestly prefer a Triple Deluxe Sequel (I might be biased ngl lol)
I love Taranza, and his story, this guy really needs a hug.
Taranza is with no doubt my favorite kirby Charakter for many reasons and this video highlighted some of those reasons
Im glad to see your feeling better even with your fever! Thank you for caring about us even when ur sick.
Y'know, time after time, the "final boss" that comes before the one that breaks all the rules, Sectonia, Haltman, Hyness, they take out the "minion like characters" zan partizanne, francissca, flamberge, taranza, susie. They always lose care and harm/take out them, which usually results in a revolt, but not with the mage sisters. With the mage sisters, you litteraly had to hop dimensions for friend hearts to yeet a big heart at them
It could be possible that in the future, Kirby could tell Taranza about the Novas and possibly get help from those that know about it like Marx, Magalor, and possibly Sussie and Hynes to find another Nova to possibly have Taranza bring back Sectonia before she was corrupted be the mirror. (Sussie because she was working with her father on Star Dream which was part of a Nova that Kirby destroyed in Planet Robobot and Hynes since it is possible he could be an achent as well and may have some knowledge of the Novas as well and he does owe Kirby for saving him from what he became.)
Taranza is my favorite Kirby character :')
Thank you Meteorz for making this video
Ahhh my daily dose of what is Kirby cannon
I mean weekly
Monthly?
What I’m trying to say I really really happy your back😊
Woot!
Taranza might be depressed but at least his oki game is stronk.
Taranza best boi
oki? What's that?
syweb2 it’s a fighting game term. Short for Okizeme, it’s when you pressure someone when they get up from a knockdown. Since Taranza, along with other setplay based characters can set up traps, the traps can act as hands free pressure, allowing Taranza to do whatever he want. If you want to see this applied in an actual fighting game, you can check this example, which also uses a setplay based spider themed character: ruclips.net/video/WR8gb---o3It/видео.html=70 (at about 1:10)
Now when are we getting a Kirby fighting game in the Star Allies engine?
taranza is definitely one of the best kirby characters, i love the way hes written
One of the animations from the Star Allies Main Menu has Taranza look like he wants to talk to Adeleine and Susie. Poor guy just wants to find himself a new queen.
It's been a while since i've seen this channel
and now i'm gifted With a "What is Kirby Canon " video
my satisfaction is immeasurable and my day is saved
Taranza freeing kirby : Listen okay? DO NOT kill her, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMST-, oh my god, holy shit you killed her.
funee
“Do NOT burn that dreamstalk down-ah…ya did it…”
0:17 i searched and there's a wiki page, kirby's house has been consistent throughout the franchise.
All you have to do Is beat super star. This was his homes first appearance
@@TheDuckyDino I think we also at least saw the inside in Adventure.
@@DannibalManRealOmgNoWay the anime
*the anime*
Man sectonia fate and taranza’s sorrow is so sad. I love how Star allies in a way just disregards that sadness by at first saying taranza is a sad lonely insect on his journey to find his queen, AND HES ONE OF YOUR NEW DREAM FRIENDS. Lmao they just add that last part so happily
He has DEDEDEPRESSION but does he also have MARXIETY?
But does he have DEDEDETERMINATION and SECTERNAL TARANZITY?
good one
Thanks for more insight on sectonia and taranza! I believe taranza will continue trying to find sectonia. Perhaps it will bring more trouble for kirby? One thing is for sure he knows he wouldn't grant the wish from a nova. As he knows what had happened to haltmann's fate presumably' and that his wish will never come true from a peice of technology. ( stated in an interview ). Taranza truly just wants to be loved and understood..! It is also possible that sectonia may still be alive out there somewhere.. perhaps somewhere within the mirror world? As soul bosses such as marx and magolor have shown to have survived! The celebration picture even shows sectonia within the mirror..! So anything can be possible! If sectonia doesn't come back, I hope taranza can truly find someone..! Perhaps susie or adeleine? He was seen trying to talk with them In the star allies menu! Let me know what you think!
Poor Taranza and Sectonia.
The Mirror corrupted her.
Dark Meta caused this.
Opening in Awe It could be Dark Mind's work, you know.
Why Must Kurbeh make me cri every tim
4:06 “While the Game itself may not be canon”
Oh boy, 3+ Years later and look how wrong we all were.. 💀
These Kirb Lore videos keep me alive... good job as usual, man.
IMO, I believe after looking at the celebration picture I think someone or something snatched her mind / soul and imprisoned it into the mirror or at least her kindness leaving her body a husk or possessed it. Could be Dark Mind or MK but can't say for sure since it's my theory.
[Insert joke about 🦀dead🦀 wives]
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MY WIFE
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IS GONE
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In the title screen for star allies, taranza fixes his hair whilst Adeline and Susie were talking
Sectonia: Did you get rid of the planet's hero?
Taranza: Well, actually-
Sectonia: **Yeets Taranza into oblivion**
“You kidnapped the incorrect hero. Test failed”
All this Kirby cannon talk makes me want a Cannon Kirby copy ability
Well then, now to pray Taranza will be DLC in Smash
There's no spirit yet, so there's hope!
I thought he was the only one who wanted him in Smash :D
Hyness isn't a spirit either so either one could join.
yes someone agrees lol
I'm kinda sad that he just wanted to make sectonia happy and she transformez into a GIANT QUEEN BEE, READY TO DESTROY EVERYONE
Kirby, a franchise that makes you feel bad for a spider
yes
PLEASEEE GIVE US MORE LORE ON TARANZA HAL
I have a theory what if team Kirby clash is cannon but in another dimension and magalor and taranza are from the original dreamland dimension maybe magalor wanted to help taranza with maybe bring sectonia back to her original good self
I also thought on that, and the fact that Magolor has the gems appels make it more possible.
What if, hear me out, Sectonia wasn't the vile queen she once was and was just called "Sectonia" before being corrupted by the mirror?
Good to hear you're doing well!
Anyways, wow. This all so incredibly confusing, it's hard to keep up. These characters are so deep, they're like real people. Tales of forgiveness, regret, love sickness, ect, it makes your head spin, even when in the end they're alright. You can't help but root for them. I think there's something in my eye...
Edit: Get ready for the next episode of "What is Kirby Canon?", Characters with similar body structure! Floating disembodied hands galore!
Seriously. There's a lot there.
I'm also kinda surprised you haven't touched the Ado-Adeline relationship yet. (That I know of.) If you're still sick take it easy, you don't have to rush!
I did touch on that in the episode "The Artists" but that episode's getting remade soon anyway...
My smol depressed spooder boi needs some love
*GIVE THE POOR SPOODER SOME LOVE PEOPLE*
Love how this man puts the iconic Level Complete dance at the end of this, as if it was a Kirby level
Given the lack of clear canon, there could be an outcome where Taranza is killed by the Soul boss, yet not present to trigger events of the Dream Kingdom, if you're into heaping more tragedy on Floralia's case. As for myself, I do find that to be a stretch, and agree with the quote's rewording.
Sectonia's true self might be the spider, but if she is indeed ancient like Kracko, Whispy, etc. and has had countless hosts, I suspect she is a Dark Matter that took on Taranza's form and failed to reciprocate his friendship. Dark Matter isn't known to be a lover. It would also be a cool twist to explain why the Queen and Dark Blade are the only other clones Haltmann makes beyond Dedede. If the turncoat Matter and Swordsman didn't work, than what of Void's creation from the other side: A Popopo like Galacta? So Meta's three tests from Star Dream would then have extra unity, and group identity.
dude the quality of your videos has greatly improved I can't wait for more
Nice. Always loved TD.
This is the most underrated channel ever.
Im Honored to be given a Theory by Meteorz
Meteorz, I have one question.
What is Kirby Canon?
A neat little detail with the sectonia clone is that the heart on her chest is broken where as in Triple deluxe it is not since she has not been defeated
There was a hint towards Sectonia looking like Taranza, in Kirby Star Allies,
Where one statue Shows two Tarzana looking figures.
One being Sectonia.
I hope we get remakes of both this game and Planet Robobot bundled together but ported in a similar manner to Kirby's return to dreamland deluxe i.e. They both have bonus campaigns that serve as counterparts to the magolor Epilogue for Taranza and Susie but moreso grant them closure with their loved Ones Insha-Allah
Yes, Taranza is indeed a very tragic character in the Kirby franchise; however, I believe that it is actually Dark Matter and Zero who are the most tragic characters within the series because according to the Japanese version of the Kirby's Dreamland 2 guide book, Dark Matter was very lonely and went about befriending others the wrong way by possessing them. Then, instead of being taught kindness, love, and the other virtues of friendship, Kirby just slices it up with the Rainbow Sword. Dark matter returns again in the sequel, Dreamland 3 but with Zero this time and when he fights em with the love love stick, you realize that the very thing they desired most, is what kills them. In the Crystal Shards, they return once more with Zero reincarnated as 02. In the battle with 02, every single shard shot into its eye brings about bloody tears due to not only physical pain, but also the psychological torment of having the inability to experience any form of positivity whatsoever. And when Kirby defeats 02, it just closes its eye as it approaches death once again. It doesn't attempt to pull off one last retaliation against the one who neglected to show it the path to redemption, but instead just gives up, only to be reincarnated as Dark Nebula (because the japanese translation of its name is Dark Zero). Thinking about it now, maybe the low difficulty of that final battle in Squeak Squad was intentional because maybe it represents Zero's lack of will to go on with life and just wants Kirby to put it out of its misery quickly so that perhaps its cycle of reincarnation will finally end. Sure, you can say that after reincarnating itself as Void Termina, Void Soul, and Void, it was finally granted the positivity it oh so desired by the time Void was reincarnated as Kirb; but does that really undo all the damage done to its past lives? because I'm pretty sure that somewhere, deep down, lies the memories of being obliterated time and time again and the road to recovery from all that is might as well last thousands upon thousands of kilometers. That stuff is nothing compared to unintentionally causing the demise of a long-time crush, because as U.K. poet, Alfred Lord Tennyson once said: "Tis better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all."
Niccole Hunt oh that happened? I thought Kirby and gooey were both meant to be more dark matters and were both neutral instead of being good/bad ( i said neutral because Kirby murders everything) and zero saw this and Sent our a really powerful dark matter, Kirby won, zero had to take him on himself with a tough l time and time again, i think this because it said in voids description “a dream of freinds reunited”
TOO LONG!!!!!!
There is a theory that Kirby doesn’t have as good intentions as it seems, but I implore you to think that perhaps Kirby just didn’t realize Dark Matter was a friend. It’s no secret that Kirby is fairly naive, given Adventure/Nightmare in Dreamland, so perhaps that was just Kirby’s naiveness as work?
The first Dark Matter that attacked also seem to be the only one who can transofrm into a swordman, I think he is the same case as Gooey
Side Question: does heaven exist in Kirby’s universe?
Because in the paragraph where it says that Taranza is hoping for a miracle it says
“But if he could just reach that bright light...”
Pretty sure thats a figure of speech
4:20 Spiders are arachnids, not insects. Seems like Taranza isn't the only one who forgot to do some research.
Taranza also only has 6 limbs, so he has traits of both... Not honestly sure WHAT to call him
@@Meteorz He's a cartoonish spider. Deal with it.
I don’t think you mentioned the stone Kirby transformation in star allies which shows sectonias true form even better than the celebration picture and sectonia clone
I watched an animatic with an amazing epic cover of Coldplay's "Viva La Vida" depicting how Queen Sectonia got the Dimension Mirror as a gift from Taranza and was corrupted by it, followed by the events of Triple Deluxe. It at first depicts a Sectonia that was loved by both the insect and the flower people, and her relationship with Taranza was more than just good friends - they were in love.
It was a real tearjerker, I'll say that much.
kirby triple deluxe is my childhood and know ing my favorite spider boi of all time most likely has deppresion knowing his one love is dead never to come back breaks my heart (no joke i legit cried at this fact the first time i heard it)
Wow, you never cease to amaze us!
I really hope he addresses the mirror world Taranza from Team Kirby Clash Deluxe (I feel like that might be Queen Sectonia's true form since it is basically bee Taranza)
Its Taranza
I know this video is like 3 years old but i have a theory about the amazing mirror. So i think the amazing mirror, the master crown, and the clockwork star are related. We know the ancients made the master crown and nova and that they have something to do with dark matter. So I'm thinking that's what the amazing mirror is too. also if you look on top of the amazing mirror the crown on top looks like the master crown. I think that all these things made by the ancients have dark matter with them. In some pause screen lore for magolor it says that the master crown takes darkness inside the host and amplifies it. Maybe all the ancients work do that. and maybe its not just amplifying the darkness its adding dark matter to the host. Which is why marx is related to dark matter and you see his scythe move in a lot of dark matter bosses. When marx used nova to become strong nova gave dark matter to him to make him stronger. When Magolor used the master crown the same thing happened to him. and maybe the Amazing Mirror does something to that effect. It takes darkness from you and makes a new entity with dark matter. This is why shadow kirby is not evil. Kirby has no darkness in him. Maybe by sectonia staring at the mirror too long she swapped places with her dark form. Maybe the ancients worshipped dark matter or something.
Glad you're alright.
I love that game as well.
I think this needs to be updated now that Super Kirby Clash is out. Taranza does make an appearance there.
In Super Kirby Clash, Sectonia's armor description backs up the statement at 3:02
Hey Meteorz!
Here is a very interesting theory.. probably one of my favorite!
: Ancient Fairytales.
Are the people of the sky ancient beings or related to them? The people of the sky not only have the abandoned paint studio on their turf, they have ancient ruins that were made most likely made by them as of for their cultural heritage on snakes, they have advanced technology in royal road, strange portals? Similar to what I said with paintra knowing landia, it seems someone knew magolor. A portrait of him in wild world level 3 is shown. This place also seems abandoned? Could just be a reference? I honestly don't know. and of course they got the miracle fruit that works very similar to the novas power's! You may think- what do you mean? That's not right- well the thing is the nova brought Marx's soul right? Well the miracle fruit brings sectonia's soul! Isn't that weird? And of course this fruit is a symbol on void terminas body! Why did they grow these fruits anyways? Also.. The people of the sky happen to be fairy's? The only other fairies we have seen.. was in ripple star, which also have some tech! For example the ufo with hearts that appears in the bad ending! ..and a weapon that can kill dark matter..? How do they have such a weapon? Elline is also a fairy, she happens to be friends with claycia who has ancient blueprints for hoopalagoon. It also stated it is a relic to these ancient ruins of which she made. Of course they also have pretty advanced tech. Such as the bastron, interestingly it says it was made for pleasure cruises? Kinda like what the lor starcutter was made for..? Unrelated topic, claycia was able to open a hole in the sky like a portal? Was this her own power or dark crafters? She even has doors that kick you out if you run out of time, did she make those as well? Back to elline though, she is referred as a magic paintbrush.. and she seems to work the same way as the magical paintbrush from kirby canvus curse? Was the magical paintbrush based off elline? Was drawcia based off claycia? Did the artist know claycia and elline? Or was claycia another portrait entirely? As in planet robobot there is a sticker of claycia inside of a portrait? Though it is said she is not to be related to drawcia as of being her sister so uh? It's more likely leaning on the artist being inspired by them, but What also makes me interested is how both elline and the magical paintbrush left their partners and both thought that kirby would be the best of help on stopping the evil. Anyways, Im not sure but what do you think? Let me know!
Taranza is my favorite sad boi
Next one mirror world DX?(I mean...you don't really need to do that if you want...)
Could a peice of sectonia be held prisoner within the mirror? Her kindness and hope?
I like to think that if Marx can survive being exploded inside Nova and Magolor was alive after turning into dust... Yeah Sectonia and Haltzmann still might have a chance, what is losing the soul anyway
That's really weird, I didn't get a notif. I wonder if it's the same for other people
I guess Taranza never heard of Wikipedia
Not sure if the details on Sectonia Clone mean anything but if you look at Sectonia DX in Triple Deluxe you'll see a full heart. However, if you were to look at Sectonia Clone's form, she has a broken heart. Not sure what it could mean (if anything at all) but it's an interesting detail nonetheless.
Edit: looking back at Sectonia Clone the heart is exactly like that of Star Dream
R.I.P Sectonia
just saying we also get to see sectonia's true form as one of stone kirby's transformations.
Your poor depressed face tarzana you will get her... back soon deep in your heart
So you’ve done most of the Kirby cannon but will you do one on waddle dee? (Or something obscure?)
Taranza
everybody's favorite simp
4:27 **insert dead Ugandan Knuckles meme here**
Who else watching this while waiting for detective Pikachu to start?
kirby triple deluxe is pretty sad,
on top of the fact that with the Japanese translation saying she doesent even know her self any more and had silenced a voice ccalling to her, TARANZA GRIEVED FOR 4 YEARS AND STILL IS IN STAR ALLIES
Taranza is literally the ultimate simp on the Kirby universe.
Theodd1sout the spiders and the bees rings through my head
Wait, that helmet on Taranza's head is actually *hair?!?*
I wanna hug taranza now
A sad story indeed. Poor spider boi.
In robonot, the stone form has a chance to turn into taranza and sectonia in her original form. You can use the circle pad to rotate it too
0:09 good times
I feel so bad for taranza