Diagnosing Excessive Tire Wear On Rear Tandem Axle
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Over the last few years we have noticed that we have had excessive tire wear on the inner edge of our rear tandem axle tires. We were told years ago that we had a slightly bent axle but it was not too bad to replace. Well, we are starting to wear through tires pretty quick and I think that we need to replace the axle. However, I am going to go to a axle/trailer parts store and have them take some measurements to help me determine if we need a new axle. They are also going to look at some cracks I have in my frame.
The tests that they performed were very similar to ones seen here: www.centrevill...
In the video I mention that I am looking to upgrade to the Morryde CRE 3000 suspension enhancement system. Do any of you guys have this system? If yes, do you like it? How about the Lippert Correct Track Suspension Alignment Kit? Is that a necessary upgrade after getting a new axle and the Morryde system? Let me know your thoughts! Thanks in advance :)
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Great video and thanks for posting. I noticed one wheel on my tandem axle travel trailer had excessive wear on the inside. Well, I jacked up the trailer and you could tell there was a little bit of play in the wheel. I checked the wheel bearing and sure enough, it was loose. I tightened it and now I hope I figured out the cause of the excessive wear. I heard that if the bearings are loose, it will cause you to get uneven wear on a tire. We shall see now that I think I fixed the problem. Again, thanks for posting!!
Thanks Gary! Hopefully you fixed the problem. Thanks for the comment and watching!
I jump on you tube and start watching your video to get some ideas about my trailer! It only took a second to notice we are in the same town! What are the odds of that! Great video!
Lol, that is awesome! It's cool to have a local comment on my video. Thanks for the comment and watching John!
I'm here because my tires are having the same issue - rear axle/inner tire wear....
I DO have the MORRYDE 3000. LOVE IT. Big effect on the sway from passing trucks. I added the X-Factor cross braces. You can do this all yourself, but it is a chore. ADVICE - check that grease flows through your wet-bolts before using them. And getting those bolts to set in the frame was a chore - good luck!
Thanks for the comment and watching!
great video, I have all 4 of mine doing the same wear on inner. Not had it diagnosed by a professional yet. This video helps for sure. Cheers
Glad the video was helpful! Hopefully you get it figured out. Thanks for watching!
Your leaf spring hangers can be out of alignment too. Check that first before swaping axles always and checking bearings for excessive wear.
Beautiful camping weather! You are so right - heading to Cherry Creek after work!
Heck yeah! I've heard good things about that campground. Have a great weekend!
Thanks for the video. I have the exact problem with my new Keystone Springdale. I purchased the trailer brand new in 2018, and the inside tread on the right rear tire is almost completely gone after only about 1200 kms (about 750 miles), so I'm guessing it has to be an issue right from the factory, as I have never hit anything with it (even though the roads up here in Saskatchewan are terrible at the best of times). I still have a year of warranty left on the trailer, and I definitely intend on upgrading the tires this winter, as the ones they put on at the factory are pure crap. Hoping when I take it to the dealership, they solve the issue, but I will also look at the suspension upgrades you were thinking of doing in the video as well. I haven't taken it on a longer trip yet, but would like the peace of mind that the camper can do a longer trip without issue. The trailer is quite high off the ground, and I've always felt like the wind was pushing me a bit, even when it was calm, so I'm now thinking this could be why it has always felt like it was swaying slightly. Your video put the seed of thought in my head for sure, so thank you!
Sorry to hear about your troubles with your camper. A new axle and the upgraded MorRyde CRE 3000 system definitely fixed the problem! We have driven around 1,200 miles so far with the new setup and with new tires. Tires are wearing evenly as far as we can tell. If you have a warranty, hopefully they can fix it for you at no cost. Thanks for watching Darrel!
Bought mine in 2016 ; a Springdale and it’s my left rear tire that’s completely bald on the inside tread. Sad to see so many people with the same issues.
I've got exactly the same issue on a Salem by Forest River. Rear passenger inside nearly bald. I've always noticed things didn't look straight from Day 1 in April 2016. Blue Dog tech told me that's normal. Axles will look cockeyed when parked sometimes. Especially if the last movement was a turn to get parked.
Gotta say, Forest River build quality leaves a lot to be desired and Blue Dog has not always been straight.
The cracks on the frame are caused by to much pressure on the frame in a turn the frame needs to be x braced with 3/16 2x2 angle iron from the top of the frame on one side to the bottom of the other side and the same on the other those cracks will come back with out this repair
Thanks for the info and watching Harry!
Brian. Your older truck, was it higher than the trailer. If the truck is higher, then the trailer leans back and all the load goes to the back axels. Could be the reason for the cracks to.
That's a good call. We had adjusted our equilizer hitch to the old truck and the new truck so it would ride level, but that is a possibility! Thanks for the comment Chris!
@@ColoradoCamperman always feels good to help out fellow campers and learn from each other. that's why I like watching your videos and others.
I have a 35 foot, Puma camper 3 slides my back left tire it's slick on the inside. The other three look new I'm having problems controlling my camper 60 miles an hour all over the road.,I have class a cdl drove over the road by far worst thing I ever pulled.any advice would be great.
On my travel trailer it was eating rear tires took to a semi alignment shop and they alignment it no more problems after
That's good to know, I will call some shops in town. Thanks!
@@ColoradoCamperman I’m always surprised it’s necessary, you would think they come from the factory correctly aligned.
@@BrianMDPhD I agree, thanks for watching!
After returning from a long trip all of my tires look good… except one. Rear drivers side of my camper. I took it to the dealership who repacked my bearings before my trip. They said nothing was wrong with the axels or alignment. They said maybe it’s just a bad tire. 🤔🤔
Keep an eye on it and maybe swap that tire with the spare. That's what we did. Then it continued to wear poorly so we looked deeper into the issue. Good luck and thanks for watching!
@@ColoradoCamperman thanks for the suggestion. I will try it.
On a car trailer I had 11yr old radial tires that just aged out. Changed them to bias ply and got major wear on the next 300mi trip. I found that the trailer manufacturer actualy welded on the spring hangers in the wrong location. At this point the trailer was about 15yrs old and I owned it for half that time.
Wow, that's pretty bad that the manufacturer did that. Thanks for sharing and watching!
@@ColoradoCamperman just odd that it took 11yrs to show up.
@@BS.-.- That is strange, at least you figure it out!
I recommen every body to get a 6000 pound axel and never will have problem again
That's not a bad idea at all! Thanks for the comment and watching.
Not sure how they determined your axle was bent. All heavy load axles have a camber (an upward bend at the center of the axle.). This will straighten out somewhat once the load is put on the axle itself. This is due to the length of the axle and stress from the pivot point from where the springs mount to the axle. If you can imagine what this would look like on a perfectly straight axle before mounting to the camper, if you were to mount the hub and tires on to the axle and the start equally adding weight at the points of contact of the spring. The axle would start bowing downward in the center due to this being that the tires will always be a fixed point. This is counteracted by purposely putting an upward bend in the axle in the manufacturing process. If you ever ordered a heavy load axle, the manufacture states that the axle already has a camber in it so you don't think they sold you a "bent" axle. You need to make sure when you add weight to your camper before hauling (water, accessories such as extra jacks or anything of significant weight in your storage compartments or inside your camper.) that add the weight evenly throughout the storage area and camper. Adding too much weight right, left, forward, aft can cause a twist in the frame and distort the pressure point on a given axle causing your hubs to twist one direction or the other. You can do this by checking the side-to-side level of the trailer after you hook it to your vehicle on level ground if possible. You will always have a forward lean due to tongue weight. Most trailers have anywhere from 300 - 600 lbs of forward (tongue) weight. This may naturally contribute to the problem, but I don't know that for sure. The tongue weight removes a lot of pressure off of the rear axle allowing it more free movement than the front axle. When in tow, your tires are basically on a gyroscope. If you've ever played with one, you'll know that it's easier to tilt it one way vs the other due to centrifugal force. Since the rear axle has more free movement, this may be a contributor. Just a theory of mine.
Not sure how they think that putting a straight edge on your tires would determine the alignment issue. In order to do this properly, your trailer would need to be on perfectly level ground and you would need to be able to drive about 30 to 40 yards on this level ground for all of the torque to be relieved from the trailer from any turns you made to get to this point or passing over any unlevel ground. To visualize what I'm trying to say here, if you've ever looked at your tires after pulling in to a gas station to fill up, you would notice none of four tires are straight inline with your trailer. They'll either be tilting in or out at the top and/or in or out right to left. This is because you haven't allowed for the torque twist to be relieved from the frame coming out to the turn in to the gas station. This takes a good bit of distance to relieve.
The excessive inside wear on the rear right tire is a common thing. I have yet to find an explanation for it. Mine does the same thing. I get about 7K miles out of that tire and then the steel belt starts to show. It's frustrating. It could also be caused by the road itself. The majority of roads have a camber in them causing your trailer to tilt to the passenger side of your vehicle. The camber in the road is to promote water runoff and prevent pooling. This wear phenomenon seems to be common to the rear axle and the right side tire in dual axle trailers only. I haven't found any complaints of this regarding single axle trailers. I'm currently looking in to torsion spring axles to see if this may be a better fix since this shifts much of the load from the pivot point to the swing arm of the hub mount.
I'd be interested in knowing if your new axle and suspension kit resolved your issue. I carry two extra tires (not on a rim), in addition to my regular spare on long trips and regularly check my tread in route. And I have AAA (though I've never had to use them.......yet.) 😉
It's been 2 years since we replaced the axle and upgraded our shackles to the MorRyde CRE 3000 w/wet bolts. We haven't had any excessive wear on the rear tires and everything has been towing great! A lot less noise when we are turning too, no more creaking and cracking from our shackles. And our gear doesn't get as tossed around on the inside of the trailer as much. I can't recommend the CRE 3000 system enough! It has been great. Thanks for watching.
@@ColoradoCamperman Thanks for the reply. 2 years doesn't really tell me much as far as wear. I only average 3K - 4K miles a year at best if I fish out west a lot with mine. I usually notice the squared edge of the inside tread "rounding" a bit after about 1K miles. Have to look close to see it. Do you have an idea of how many miles you have on the tires since the upgrade?
@@redneckflyfisherman4240 We have maybe 6,000 miles on these tires. We noticed the wear on our old tires very quickly. The axle was bent/mis-aligned to the point that after around 450-500 miles, the tires would start to go bald on the inside edge. We figured this out after rotating our tires and seeing the excessive wear after just a few trips.
@@ColoradoCamperman Thanks again. Happy trails!!!
@@ColoradoCamperman Dexter makes a similar equalizer shackle system with wet bolts.
surprised you didnt have sway problems. Had the same problem and my trailer had sway issues
Yeah, no sway issues at all. Got the new axles and upgraded to the MorRyde CRE3000 suspension system and everything is good now! Hope you get yours fixed. Thanks for watching!
Mine is a enclosed trailer, same issue but have a sway issue
My TT has tandem Dexter 2.8K axles with 3.5K brakes. Trailer GVWR is 5,200lb. total axle capacity is 5,600lb. I have scaled it loaded to travel with 5,000lbs on the axles. 600lbs under axle capacity. My rear axle has the wear on the slide out side (heaver side). Had to replace my shackles with heavy duty ones after 15K miles. Load D tires didn't make a difference. Might try bending it back myself
I replaced my axles and upgraded to the MORryde CRE 3000 system. Since then we have not had any issues at all. It sounds like you know what you're doing, maybe you can bend it back yourself. I did not have the equipment or know-how to do so, so I opted for replacement. Thanks for watching and good luck with your fix!
@@ColoradoCamperman I have also replaced the shackles and equalizer with a Dexter E-Z Flex kit similar to the MORide using wet bolts. Rides much better now. I was able to put a bend back into the axle and I rotated the rear tires to see if it helped the wear. The 2,800ls Dexter is a bastard. 83.5" drum to drum, 66.5" spring perches. Same diameter tube as the 3.5K just less track.
@@raylaux8295 It's amazing how much difference the MORryde or E-Z Flex make! Glad you were able to get the axle bent back too, hopefully you don't have any more issues! We have not had any problems since upgrading to the MORryde CRE 3000 system.
I have the same problem on a jayco jay feather. Just the passenger rear is wearing to badly on the inside. I run Goodyear Endurance tires. The other three look brand new. I am going to check the hitch and tongue height. I also am going to experiment with the new suspension equalizer.
Thanks for sharing Paul! Your spindal on the one side could be bent. Or check your bushing where your leaf springs connect to the hangers. We just installed the MorRyde CRE 3000 system on our camper and changed the rear axle. When we did so, we replaced the stock nylon bushings, several were worn completely out and nearly gone! Thanks for watching and hopefully you get things figured out.
Nice job 👍
Thanks for the comment and watching!
Your breakaway cable has to be independent of the safety chains
Thanks for the comment and watching Daniel.
How many miles do you haul that thing? I've had several double axle trailers and never had the wear you're experiencing. Hopefully it's not a difficult fix! These campers are mostly junk these days...
We calculated it and since we've gotten those tires we've maybe put on 6-7,000 miles. Definitely not enough to cause that much wear! Hopefully this fixes the problem. The stock suspension is such crap, I think that was a major factor.
@@ColoradoCamperman that's a few miles but I agree. Probably suspension related!
@@AdventuresWithDaniel Cool thanks for the confirmation!
I have the same problem and read in other comments here that the same models as mine having the exact issue. Whoever signed off on the durability of the axles / tires / weight ratios messed up bad. And they been getting away with for far too long. You said it. They are all garbage now
Great info, thanks! What is the name of the shop that worked on it for you?
You're welcome! Speken Iron & Metal in Pueblo, CO. They were great! Thanks for watching!
My wear is always the outside of the tires from not having enough weight on the axel. Bigger is not always better. Sounds like over weighted in the rear or your hitch angle is off.
Thanks for your input about your experience. It was definitely the axle! I just replaced it and there is a very noticeable difference while towing. You can also visually see a difference while turning. Thanks for watching!
Did you have this problem before you reversed the axles? I'm just wondering if something got outta wack whenbthe perches had to be welded up top.
Good question and memory! I was going to address this but forgot to, the trip where we noticed this problem was at the end of the camping season following flipping the axles. So, we don't believe that it caused it. Thanks for the comment!
General question- I have a Keystone Passport with the tandem axle. My passenger rear is wearing on the inside and almost down to the wear bars. The other 3 tires look good. Maybe 4k on the 3 year old Goodyear Endurance tires. I just greased the bearings and was checking out all the tires and noticed the 1 tire wearing much greater than the others.
Question- anyone swap sides with the trailer tires? Thinking I might just swap the rears. Or, put the "problem" tire on the front, same side. Maybe buy some time/mileage before spending more $$ on new tires.
Any thoughts? Any harm in trying?
I rotated all my tires when I started noticing excessive wear. Then I monitored the wear on the tires. The excessive wear quickly happened on the newly rotated tires. That is when I realized we had a bigger problem. You could do the same thing, it may help you determine the problem. Hope that helps, good luck and thanks for watching!
I think I’m going to try all of the above. It’s only a year old!!! Part of the trailer life I suppose. Also, I’m in Colorado Springs. Can you give me the name of your axel guy?
Hey Paul! We went to Hickman Trailer in Colorado Springs, great place and nice people. Thanks for watching!
So axles cant be aligned without that adjustment hangers
After we decided to replace this axle, we replaced the factory hangers with a MorRyde CRE 3000 system. We have 0 alignment issues now and perfectly even wear on all tires. We've probably put around 5,000 miles on the camper since we did this upgrade and love how well the camper tows now. I would recommend upgrading those factory hangers to the MorRyde CRE 3000 or a comparable system. Hope that helps, thanks for watching!
I had a ware problem do to electric brakes hanging VC care
Dang, that will do it! Thanks for watching!
A trailer will pull easier with proper alignment.
That's what we're hoping for! Thanks for the comment and watching.
your axels are out of alignment, not bent.
The alignment didn't seem to be the issue. I measured from the jack to the center of the tires and both sides were within an 1/8in of each other. The rear axle was definitely messed up, if it wasn't bent, the spindals were. We just replaced the axle and also upgraded to the MorRyde CRE 3000 system last weekend. I've only towed the camper about 3 miles, but you can visually see a difference in how the rear axle turns and how it sits. You could see the rear axle bowing out before we replaced it. Thanks for watching!