Champions were great boats! I actually had one when they fell under the stratos/genmar/ranger fallout back 10 years ago. My only bad thing on the old champions was the high bow rise. It was extremely hard on your back when fishing. It was like standing on a BMX ramp all day. They had narrow decks and really unstable with a big guy in the back. However they were still solid boats and looked really awesome.
O.K. I hope this thread is still good. I watched this video a few months back to get information on what kind of used boat to look for. I found a 1998 Champion 187. The boat and trailer are in BRAND NEW CONDITION. The boat and trailer have been sitting in a barn, covered since 2001 (my dads neighbors in Iowa). The son says there is less than 100 hours on the motor. Belonged to his dad who passed a few years after purchase. Everything is original. So, if anyone can help. Can the inside of a boat (portions of the boat the eye can't see) deteriorate just sitting i.e. fiberglass joints, wood under the fiberglass? The gel cap, is as I mention above PERFECTLY BRAND NEW not a single web anywhere. We are taking the boat to the lake Saturday morning. He is asking 14,000.00. Your thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated. I hope this thread gets out.
Merry Christmas to y’all!! 🎄 I own a ‘98 190 DC. It’s an awesome bass boat!! Ran 72 mph with 1/2 tank of gas and 2 guys and gear w/ 200 EFI. It runs 65 since repower w/ 200 opti X/S in 2012. I may never replace it!!
On bassboat central in the champion boats section, Patt Goff explains pretty much explains the entire history of Champion right up until they left Mt Home Ark and moved to Tenn. Great read.
@TeamMarineService you should reach out to Patt Goff for an interview. If he would do one??? I have read his post on the Champion BBC. Sad how Champion was dismembered.
My grandad has a 97, 18 foot Champion with a Mariner 175. Solid boat to this day. Will run in the 60's, I'm sure could hit 70 in glass water. It's been an awesome boat. Everything is still original, carpeting, seats. We love it. Plan to take care of it and keep it for years to come. My grandad bought it brand new, he will be 88 in January and can still drive that boat like no one else.
When I was 15 years old bank fishing and first saw a bass boat floating it was a Champion. Told myself I will own one when I can mustard up some serious cash. On my second Champion. The 210 Elite. I’m happy now.
I have a 98 187 champion that I picked up in Mountain Home. It's a dual console elite and has been repowered with a 2010 175 Mercury Optimax. Boat is in fantastic shape, still has same carpet and seat backs. Dean's replaced my seat bottoms, which match perfectly. Trailer was plagued with the monolith springs breaking and the hollow tubular frame rusted from the inside. It now has a McLain's aluminum trailer. Never an issue with transom or hull. Seat bases were changed to stainless and seat posts are springfield snap fit. The old tapered seat posts were a nightmare.
In 1989 I left Louisiana and made a trip to the champ factory in Mt Home and picked out a 186 DC blk with red and silver flake. They delivered it to a dealer down the rd. It had 150 merc. 6 yrs later I exchange it for a 200 Johnson changed out some props where it did 72, what a ride. Years later I bought the 203 have spent some bucks on it but proud to have it. The best riding boat I have ever been in and I have been in quite a few over the yrs. I have had people tell me if I ever sell it they want it. Merry Christmas to you and others
2008 198 bought new. No need for anything else. Mid-sixties boat with 225 optimax, loaded. No problems at all. When the wind blows and the waves roll, I just cruise with 1 hand on the wheel. Great boat! Friend of mine has a 202……it’s like driving a Ferrari! Handling is unbelievable.
I had an 88 Champion custome orderd from the factory, with a supped up Merc XR6 and I honestly did a 180 degree turn at 60 MPH. The G force put my passenger to the floor. That boat was amazing. I had people at tournaments take the VIN number because 150 HP was the max at the time and they couldn't believe I was legal. That was one fast Mercury. I loved that boat. I lost it in a divorce.
On point!!! I’ve owned 2 champions boats and boy do I miss them and I’m going on record to say Champions & Legends were the two best boat ever built hands down
I am lucky enough to own a 2003 champion 203. Absolutely love it! Smooth ride and 70mph plus boat. Wanted a one since 1987 and finally got her in 2017. Still beautiful boat and can be shined up to new boat equality. Best friend got a 18.5 champion in 87 brand new and a champion was all I wanted from then on LOL
My dad has an 89 champ with a 175. He bought it new and has always been garage kept. Probably hasnt ran in 15 plus years. If I was to get the boat, is there any precautions to keep the transom in good condition?
This is my second champion bass boat a '98 202 dual console with a 225 Yamaha VMAX great boat great ride ahead of 85 fishing ski 17 ft with a 150 jump out of the water did a great job I would not have anything else they the best ride boat you can find thanks for your comment you do a great job have a good day JT from Virginia
Champions must have been an awesome boat for Basscat to offer the 203 hull in Cougar and Puma line as an option starting in 2019. People still seek these boats out, too. Matt Allen did a review about buying a used Champion on the Tactical Bassin Channel. Thanks for sharing 🍺 🎣
I got a 17’ 1986 champion. Probably the biggest negative for me is: compared to modern bass boats the front deck is small. I had a problem with fumes from the rear gas tank. Seemed like it was a design flaw from day one. I took my time to think about how to repair it. I actually found a Sea dog gas cap just like the original, installed it directly to the tank, pressure tested and took care of all the leaks. Overall I keep believing that the hull is just heavily built and still rides better than any other boat I’ve ever been on. So I’m going to re-gelcoat it to the tune of $7000. February I should be getting 150 hp Yamaha put on to the tune of $15,000. At $22,000 I believe it’s gonna be worth every penny. The trailer is built with channel iron and still seems to be rock solid! In PA you don’t need an inspection on a 17 foot trailer, so we removed all of the surge brake components and welded the tongue. I may eventually retrofit it with two axles and disc brakes. That will probably cost just close to a trailer replacement, but I feel retrofitting the older trailer is a better decision.
Bought a new champion in 1989, 184 with 175 Mariner. Got rear ended by a Dodge minivan, broke the engine brackets and motor was hanging by steering cables. No damage to transom. Loved that boat. Out ran my friend in his 361 ranger with a 200 on it and definitely out cornered him.
I've owned a number of bass boats over the years and after retiring, I looked long and hard to find and purchase a 184 dual console. It was a 1 owner boat with a 2017 Merc 150 PRO XS that has been a tourney warrior since day one. IMO, the 184's are the best handling boat ever designed.
I’ve got a 2000 202 and it looks brand new. The transom is dry as a bone but but I seal it every 5 years. It stays in my shop when it’s not on the water. The main thing on any boat care is to remember it’s a boat not a submarine. Keep it out of the weather.
I picked up an '88 champion single console. It's only been in 2 Texas lakes since new. Stored inside when it wasn't in water. It has a few scuffs, solid transom, great design. It was my choice between it and a gambler intimidator. Powered by a Yamaha proV 150. It needs some minor tlc; switches, fuses, oil injection system cleaned our replaced, new live well pumps and aerators, nav light bases. The trailer (ti) needs come cosmetic attention. Wood under carpet is almost gone. Replacing it with aluminum diamond plate. Running boards seem to be in good shape. The emergency breaking system seems outdated but still working. The jack location is in the worst spot ever. That will be relocated to the drive side of town vehicle. Great video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Merry Christmas Andy, to you and your family. I was living in Little Rock, AR at the time during the late 90's early 2000 time frame. Our neighbor at the time was a federal employee, working for the department of labor. He knew I was a bass fisherman, so he came over and talked to me about the Champion bass boat factory in Mountain Home, Arkansas. He had explained to me that the company was in the process of filing bankruptcy and he was involved in that case indirectly due to the fact that most of the employees were not getting paid by the company anymore while still working at the factory despite being told by management that they would. He told me that he had to seize many of the bass boats and the federal government was going to figure a way to sell the boats and get the employees paid for their labor that they never got paid for. He stated that management was very difficult to deal with as management knew the company was going to be filing bankruptcy so he and his team had to go into the championship bass boat factory and seize a lot of their boats along with other items in there as well. As far as I know, all the employees eventually got paid their money that they deserved and earned once the government sold enough boats and other assets from Champion boats
I’m the proud owner of a 2004 Champion 196 dual console and I love this boat. Great layout, plenty of storage and tops out around 63 mph with the 200 Optimax. The boat still looks amazing and I often get compliments on it wether I’m at the lake, gas station or anywhere else. I understand these later models don’t have the wood transoms (2003 and later) and mine is still solid. I have a friend who bought an older model and the transom was rotted so he had it replaced. Looks and runs great now. Merry Christmas.
I bought and restored a 1991 184scr and love it...I believe the transom is good, but not totally sure to be honest. The only way I know to check the transom is pushing motor back and forth and watching to see if transom has a lot of flexing. If there are any other ways to do a better job on checking your transom can you or anyone on here let me know? Thanks... Wow just noticed B-Lat commented right below me,,, pretty cool 😎
Read what Pat Goff said about the transom. Find him on the BBC Forums. If it's wet let it dry out then reseal it properly. Which should be done every few years on any boat's holes in the transom.
I still own my 1993 190 champion dcx elite i purchased new. It came with a 200hp merc, but it broke a piston ring and scared the head. I had it rebuilt and it ran slower so i traded that in for a 1996 evinrude 3.0L limited edition. It runs 72mph and its been in a garage from day one. In My opinion the only boat better in 1993 was ranger, but i could still pull away from a 19ft ranger with a 200hp merc. Last year i replaced the locker door shocks/opener everything else is original. Lots of good memories fishing with my Dad. My kids will be fishing in it next year with me making more memories.
I have owned my 2004 Champion 206 dual console since 2013. Love the boat with its great ride & storage. Repowered it last spring with the great Suzuki 250 SS matt black. In the next few weeks will be rebuilding the transom
Sorry sent my last comment before I was done. Like I was saying I’m having the transom rebuilt on the 206 at Falcon boats manufacturing..,” Marine Pro” in Newberry,SC The service guy said the transom was rotted but I have seen in these comments that my 2004 should be all composite. Is that correct? Also what’s your advice on propping the Suzuki for my hull. Ive got a Suzuki 4 blade 27p that runs the boat up to 69mph. Tried a scorpion demo prop 29 pitch.That was a mistake. Only could get 5700 rpms & 67mph after about a 3/4 mile run. The Suzuki prop is turning 6200-6300. Do you think a scorpion 27 or 28p would be a better choice?
Ok andy. I am a champ guy. My 96 186 with 175 efi. Runs 61+-. Its a handfull above that. Cruises 55 like a beast. Handles rough water like a much bigger boat. Omg handles like a Porsche. Now i think MH Champs are a "Drivers" boat. The Tn boats (ie 210) is more cabin cruiser ish. Less driver input. Id love to see the MH vs Tn vid. What changed? Yes wider and composite transoms. Ride? Qaulity? Speed? . My next champ will prob be a tn 210 unless you really poopoo it andy😁
My 96’ 191 is still goin strong. Gel coat still looks like she rolled off the show room floor back then. Transom so far is still good, no flex and that ol 200merc still fires up on the first turn. I love my girl!
Champion had transom issues in wood transom boats ( pre 2004 ) composite transoms are very strong . Having had both and being a champion fan I have learned a lot about them over the years . A lot of guys like the narrow boats for the ride but fishing wise the wide body champs are far superior. Very stable platform and can run in pretty rough water
have a 97 191 elite, 200 vindicator, planning to do the transon in spring. love the boat, not sure that i would change anything. got here looking for the transom pour on the 202??????????? maybe do a direct comparison of 2 stroke 200 (any brand) and then put a 200 suzuki on it and see what she does???
One of the best qualities was how great it rode at 16 mph going to the next close spot. It rode not only amazing fast but also just enough on plane to get to the next point
2005 196 with a gas luvin 200 Merc EFI here. Good boat, only ChampN I've ever owned but rode in several others. Appreciate the review on Champs. I'll never sell mine but do need a new trailer desperately as the tube trailer is like sitting on a grenade with the pin pulled.
I rocked an 85 184 SC for a few years. She got me home in some sketchy situations I had no reason being in!! Quality of that boat is why I went Gatortrax. I appreciate quality, and need to have faith that the boat will get me home safe.
I own a 1996 181DC Champion with a 150 EFI Merc w/4 blade prop. Hole shot is fast and top end is in the mid 60's. The Champion handles great with the 4 blade prop. Only issue(s) so far is the middle seat(leather) with cooler underneath is starting to crack and the carpet between the two consuls towards the middle storage compartment is starting to lift. Everything else on the boat is still in ex. cond. No cracks at all. The trailer will have to have the bunks replaced soon for the 1st time. The brake system on the trailer is shot. Don't plan on replacing that. It's a great boat for smaller waters and not a lot of leg room if your a large person. The Merc 150EFI runs like a Banshee still !!!
I'm debating about buying a buddy's 203 and was watching the series to see what I was getting myself into. Since I know his needs work but the series just ended.
My buddy bought a 187 the same year I bought a Ranger 350v. That 187 was the best riding boat I ever rode in, hands down. My Ranger always out ran it but you had to be a 'bullrider' in the slightest chop. Lol! I still have my Ranger but he sold his 187 after 6-7 years. Never did find out why, I would've bought it, too!
My 1rst bass boat was a 2000 202SC tournament edition, blood red in color with alil silver pinstripe... she was a REAL looker and i got so many compliments on it. Partial traded it off for my '17 520C Ranger ( moreless just to get more up to date stuff on a boat) Great series... keep'm coming👍
Bought new 98 186dc. Absolutely loved it. White with black neon stripes. Everything you said spot on. Springs broke champion replaced free. Transom small issue I fixed. No problem. Had to sell when wife got cancer in 2016. She fought hard but lost her battle. I’m retired now and would love to find a 202 or 203 project. What would be a price for one. Thanks love your channel.
have had my 2004 188 since 2010 no major issues. Top cap kept getting loose around 2016 but i resealed with sikaflex and still holding tight until this day. Also cleaned up and resealed the transom cap and jackplate / jack plate bolts for preventative measures.
You nailed it in this video. I own a 98 202 and absolutely love it. No transom or trailer issues yet but if/when it happens I'll fix it to keep the boat. I fish Lake Erie a lot and this is an incredible rough water boat. Thanks for posting cool content.
I’m the original owner of a 2004 Champion 198 Elite Dual Console. Its a great riding boat out on rough water in the Potomac River and Upper Chesapeake Bay. I’ve had only minor issues with the boat like electrical and other components that you could expect to fail over time. The trailer finally had some spring and shackle issues 3 years ago - luckily I was only a few miles from my house when it happened. My Champion is getting to be near 20 years old and it is in great shape. I still get comments about the way it looks since I’ve kept great care of it through the years. After owning a Champion all of these years I’m not sure what I would purchase next - what would you say is top of the line these days for fit, finish and quality.
Bass cat for sure. I'm a champion guy as well and I would say bass cats are made better than champion ever were. I like the look of champion much better than the cats.
Im on my 2nd champ , first was 79 16' super v with a 150 , crazy fun to drive , i actually just picked up a 87 176 with a yamaha , over all boat is in great shape. Love the content , get that champ built you had in the shop . Peace
Rebuilding the transom on my 1980 champion super v. it’s 16.8 amazing and fast boat doesn’t look nearly as old as it is looks better even with the bad transom compared to 90’s boats but so worth it nothing like a champion.
I’m looking at a ‘97 201DC with an ‘06 Evinrude E-tec 225, Gorilla Hull. Am I crazy for considering this with the known transom issues? Was told this one is solid but have yet to see it.
I saved a 1984 18ft champion from a barn, guy just gave it me. Currently in the process is cleaning it up and getting it running. It's rough but I'll breath life into her.
Got a 2003 196 with a 2.5L 200 EFI. Definitely not the fastest boat, but fishes great, rides unbelievable in rough water, and I can fit behind the console....haha 6’5” limits you on certain brands and sizes in the older boats. Still looks better than most boats only a few years old when at the lake and definitely agree with how the boats still look modern and up to date for their years. They are Timeless.
Merry Christmas team marine . Love my 202 don’t ever see me letting it go ( solid transom still 97) the people that I know of that know the stories best are Matthew snooks (worked at mountain home and built all the special hulls) and pat Geoff I have read many articles from these 2 and have even asked set up questions over the years and they are spot on. I hope they see this video and chime in .
The Champ 203 was a great boat for sure....a great riding boat as I remember. As far as stress cracks go, none of my BassCats ever had a stress crack ( with plenty of use in Lake Erie) just sayin
So I’m going to look at a 79 on Tuesday. She’s been completely overhauled and the transom has been done, she’s a decent looker as well. Everything I just heard made me feel more at ease with her being the age she is, thanks!
What are your thoughts on 2000 203 anniversary edition DCX. I am going tomorrow to look at one that I may buy. I was going back and forth with a 96 488vs ranger. Which would be better for the money?
Andy I’ve owned 2 champions. One was the 1980 “champ” which rode great for an older boat on the smaller side. I currently have a 1993 204 DCX, which has an unbelievable ride in rough water. Can’t say enough on how much I like running a Champion. No transom issues yet. If there ever is I’m sure I’ll replace the transom and keep running it. Too nice of a boat not to!
Just picked up a 93 204 needs some work sat for 13 years. Tore it apart down to the glass and she solid as can be. I'm 190 lbs and I jumped up and down on the motor transom solid as a rock handed over the cash..... I got a great deal
Working on rebuilding the transom on my 1980 champ 16’8” super v nothing like a champion. It’s been a great boat and keeping that 1980 mariner/mercury tower of power going has made mine fabulous.
Dear friends, I need your input and advice. I need to redo the entire livewll panel and switches and new windshields. Is this easy to do or do you recommend to take it to a shop?
Currently running my 1996 180 fushunter. It's the first champ that I've owned but I've been fishing out of my older cousins 210 fishunter since it was new in 2004. Always loved champion boats ever since I rod in it for the first time when I was 9 years old.
How about your thoughts on the 210 elites after the buy out? I own a 2011 champion/stratos just curious on what you think of them! Thanks for all the great shows!
I have a 1999 203 Elite I got it in 2000 and its still as clean and looks likes new in 2022 that is the best boat in the boating world hands down the hull is one of a kind no slip in the water.
I know this isn't the topic but what about a crappie theme glass boat that will double as a bass fishing boat. I agree with the Champion hull. I have my eye on the Pantera 2 Bass Cat.
Andy, here's wishing you a merry Christmas a prosperous 2022. Great show, look forward to getting that notification cause I know it's going to be a great show. Thanks again
I just found your videos today OMG you're hilarious and super informative. I'm going to buy a used bass boat in the next couple months and I'm researching what to buy and what not to buy, thank god I found you. But this is my question if you were budgeted with 5-10 grand what would be some of your choices. I'm looking at fiber glass boats but to be honest theres so much. I've eliminated some boats and motors after watching some of your videos, but if you could do a video on some top 10 starter boats in that price range that would be great. Thanks
my husband is in a very similar situation. He and my 10 year old son are getting into bass fishing and want a good, older boat for starting in the sport.
I just bought my first bass boat ever last spring and it’s a 1979 champion 16 foot. It’s got a 130 Johnson on the back which is a 1997. seems to be a really good boat so far. Only paid $3,500 for It. I am totally hooked on bass fishing now. Does anyone have any thoughts about the 79 champion?
I'm completely rebuilding a 1999 191 right now. All woodcreplaced with Coosa. The teansom was good. Replaced it anyway. Stringers were wet as was all the foam. Boat set outside for years. Traded a junk truck for it. I sold these boats from 1977 to 1987. Last one I owned was a 99' 203. I prefer the 191, 190, 193 in that order. Not a fan of the wides like 198, 206, 210.
First off, I would like to say that I love your channel, especially the Over/Under. I owned a 2000 Champ 193SCX for 16 years. Best rough water ride ever! I did not have any transom issues, or any other structural issues at all. It sat on a Dri Doc Trailer which was total garbage. Broken leaf spring and several broken swing away tongues, axle problems ect… How about a “GOOD, BAD & UGLY” on the 2020 Ranger Z520L? Keep up the great work!
Had a 1988 ranger R415, rare boat and a Great boat but have a 1987 Champion Super V fish and ski. 18.4 DC. With mer blackmax 200hp. Handles water like a Champ, and does 70mph.
i have a 05 champion 188 elite i love this boat i have had 8 different boat brands and this have the one that fell in love with it can you do a review on this boat bc i really cant not find anything wrong with this boat that i do not like everything was made perfect has a 04 yamaha vmax 0x66 200hp on it and it just seems to be perfect thanks.
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Best hulls ever made...period, it's not up for debate!
Champions were great boats! I actually had one when they fell under the stratos/genmar/ranger fallout back 10 years ago. My only bad thing on the old champions was the high bow rise. It was extremely hard on your back when fishing. It was like standing on a BMX ramp all day. They had narrow decks and really unstable with a big guy in the back. However they were still solid boats and looked really awesome.
Awesome to see you in the comments! Love your videos! Hope all is well!
But they sure cut the waves like butter. I guided in my Champion and Skeeter and that Champion ride was much nicer on those windy days.
Agreed on the narrow decks! My dad is running a zx250 skeeter and I feel like it's double the size of my front deck.
B-Lat! You’re the Man.
O.K. I hope this thread is still good. I watched this video a few months back to get information on what kind of used boat to look for. I found a 1998 Champion 187. The boat and trailer are in BRAND NEW CONDITION. The boat and trailer have been sitting in a barn, covered since 2001 (my dads neighbors in Iowa). The son says there is less than 100 hours on the motor. Belonged to his dad who passed a few years after purchase. Everything is original. So, if anyone can help. Can the inside of a boat (portions of the boat the eye can't see) deteriorate just sitting i.e. fiberglass joints, wood under the fiberglass? The gel cap, is as I mention above PERFECTLY BRAND NEW not a single web anywhere. We are taking the boat to the lake Saturday morning. He is asking 14,000.00. Your thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated. I hope this thread gets out.
Where are all my Champion guys at?
Merry Christmas to y’all!! 🎄
I own a ‘98 190 DC. It’s an awesome bass boat!! Ran 72 mph with 1/2 tank of gas and 2 guys and gear w/ 200 EFI. It runs 65 since repower w/ 200 opti X/S in 2012. I may never replace it!!
I have a '96 191 SCE. Bought it 8 years ago and still running strong. Love it!
Champ owner here! Always wanted one growing up as a kid…that or a Ranger. Glad I grabbed the Champ - best riding boat I’ve ever been on.
Do any of you know the real story on what happened to Champion? Let us know in the comments
The big rumor going around at the time was lots of colombian nose candy being consumed by the owner but who knows if its true
On bassboat central in the champion boats section, Patt Goff explains pretty much explains the entire history of Champion right up until they left Mt Home Ark and moved to Tenn. Great read.
@@lynncowden5740 That's awesome, we will check that out for sure! Thank you
The Colombian marching powder will get ya every time.
@TeamMarineService you should reach out to Patt Goff for an interview. If he would do one??? I have read his post on the Champion BBC. Sad how Champion was dismembered.
My grandad has a 97, 18 foot Champion with a Mariner 175. Solid boat to this day. Will run in the 60's, I'm sure could hit 70 in glass water. It's been an awesome boat. Everything is still original, carpeting, seats. We love it. Plan to take care of it and keep it for years to come. My grandad bought it brand new, he will be 88 in January and can still drive that boat like no one else.
When I was 15 years old bank fishing and first saw a bass boat floating it was a Champion. Told myself I will own one when I can mustard up some serious cash. On my second Champion. The 210 Elite. I’m happy now.
I have a 98 187 champion that I picked up in Mountain Home. It's a dual console elite and has been repowered with a 2010 175 Mercury Optimax. Boat is in fantastic shape, still has same carpet and seat backs. Dean's replaced my seat bottoms, which match perfectly. Trailer was plagued with the monolith springs breaking and the hollow tubular frame rusted from the inside. It now has a McLain's aluminum trailer. Never an issue with transom or hull. Seat bases were changed to stainless and seat posts are springfield snap fit. The old tapered seat posts were a nightmare.
In 1989 I left Louisiana and made a trip to the champ factory in Mt Home and picked out a 186 DC blk with red and silver flake. They delivered it to a dealer down the rd. It had 150 merc. 6 yrs later I exchange it for a 200 Johnson changed out some props where it did 72, what a ride. Years later I bought the 203 have spent some bucks on it but proud to have it. The best riding boat I have ever been in and I have been in quite a few over the yrs. I have had people tell me if I ever sell it they want it. Merry Christmas to you and others
Champion #1
2008 198 bought new. No need for anything else. Mid-sixties boat with 225 optimax, loaded. No problems at all. When the wind blows and the waves roll, I just cruise with 1 hand on the wheel. Great boat!
Friend of mine has a 202……it’s like driving a Ferrari! Handling is unbelievable.
I had an 88 Champion custome orderd from the factory, with a supped up Merc XR6 and I honestly did a 180 degree turn at 60 MPH. The G force put my passenger to the floor. That boat was amazing. I had people at tournaments take the VIN number because 150 HP was the max at the time and they couldn't believe I was legal. That was one fast Mercury. I loved that boat. I lost it in a divorce.
On point!!! I’ve owned 2 champions boats and boy do I miss them and I’m going on record to say Champions & Legends were the two best boat ever built hands down
I am lucky enough to own a 2003 champion 203. Absolutely love it! Smooth ride and 70mph plus boat. Wanted a one since 1987 and finally got her in 2017. Still beautiful boat and can be shined up to new boat equality. Best friend got a 18.5 champion in 87 brand new and a champion was all I wanted from then on LOL
What motor and HP?! I’m looking at a 2000 203 currently
Yamaha 250 hpdi
Agree with everything in this video! You nailed it Andy
My dad has an 89 champ with a 175. He bought it new and has always been garage kept. Probably hasnt ran in 15 plus years. If I was to get the boat, is there any precautions to keep the transom in good condition?
This is my second champion bass boat a '98 202 dual console with a 225 Yamaha VMAX great boat great ride ahead of 85 fishing ski 17 ft with a 150 jump out of the water did a great job I would not have anything else they the best ride boat you can find thanks for your comment you do a great job have a good day JT from Virginia
Champions must have been an awesome boat for Basscat to offer the 203 hull in Cougar and Puma line as an option starting in 2019. People still seek these boats out, too. Matt Allen did a review about buying a used Champion on the Tactical Bassin Channel. Thanks for sharing 🍺 🎣
I got a 17’ 1986 champion. Probably the biggest negative for me is: compared to modern bass boats the front deck is small. I had a problem with fumes from the rear gas tank. Seemed like it was a design flaw from day one. I took my time to think about how to repair it. I actually found a Sea dog gas cap just like the original, installed it directly to the tank, pressure tested and took care of all the leaks. Overall I keep believing that the hull is just heavily built and still rides better than any other boat I’ve ever been on. So I’m going to re-gelcoat it to the tune of $7000. February I should be getting 150 hp Yamaha put on to the tune of $15,000. At $22,000 I believe it’s gonna be worth every penny. The trailer is built with channel iron and still seems to be rock solid! In PA you don’t need an inspection on a 17 foot trailer, so we removed all of the surge brake components and welded the tongue. I may eventually retrofit it with two axles and disc brakes. That will probably cost just close to a trailer replacement, but I feel retrofitting the older trailer is a better decision.
Bought a new champion in 1989, 184 with 175 Mariner. Got rear ended by a Dodge minivan, broke the engine brackets and motor was hanging by steering cables. No damage to transom. Loved that boat. Out ran my friend in his 361 ranger with a 200 on it and definitely out cornered him.
I have a Elite 193 haven't since 1999 best bit ever and yes the transom was rebuilt but she still looks new
I've owned a number of bass boats over the years and after retiring, I looked long and hard to find and purchase a 184 dual console. It was a 1 owner boat with a 2017 Merc 150 PRO XS that has been a tourney warrior since day one. IMO, the 184's are the best handling boat ever designed.
I am also running a 184, but a single console. It's my first boat and it rides and handles just as good as any other new boat I've been in!
Pat Goff said the same thing about the 184
I just wanted to say I got my first champion boat this because of your page and reviews of it.
I bought a 98’ champion 202
Heck yeah James!!! 👍🏻👍🏻
I’ve got a 2000 202 and it looks brand new. The transom is dry as a bone but but I seal it every 5 years. It stays in my shop when it’s not on the water. The main thing on any boat care is to remember it’s a boat not a submarine. Keep it out of the weather.
Smart man… wooden transom until 2003… I’m a ranger man but found a champion I want…very weary
I picked up an '88 champion single console. It's only been in 2 Texas lakes since new. Stored inside when it wasn't in water. It has a few scuffs, solid transom, great design. It was my choice between it and a gambler intimidator.
Powered by a Yamaha proV 150. It needs some minor tlc; switches, fuses, oil injection system cleaned our replaced, new live well pumps and aerators, nav light bases.
The trailer (ti) needs come cosmetic attention. Wood under carpet is almost gone.
Replacing it with aluminum diamond plate. Running boards seem to be in good shape. The emergency breaking system seems outdated but still working. The jack location is in the worst spot ever. That will be relocated to the drive side of town vehicle.
Great video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Merry Christmas Andy, to you and your family. I was living in Little Rock, AR at the time during the late 90's early 2000 time frame. Our neighbor at the time was a federal employee, working for the department of labor. He knew I was a bass fisherman, so he came over and talked to me about the Champion bass boat factory in Mountain Home, Arkansas. He had explained to me that the company was in the process of filing bankruptcy and he was involved in that case indirectly due to the fact that most of the employees were not getting paid by the company anymore while still working at the factory despite being told by management that they would. He told me that he had to seize many of the bass boats and the federal government was going to figure a way to sell the boats and get the employees paid for their labor that they never got paid for. He stated that management was very difficult to deal with as management knew the company was going to be filing bankruptcy so he and his team had to go into the championship bass boat factory and seize a lot of their boats along with other items in there as well. As far as I know, all the employees eventually got paid their money that they deserved and earned once the government sold enough boats and other assets from Champion boats
I’m the proud owner of a 2004 Champion 196 dual console and I love this boat. Great layout, plenty of storage and tops out around 63 mph with the 200 Optimax. The boat still looks amazing and I often get compliments on it wether I’m at the lake, gas station or anywhere else. I understand these later models don’t have the wood transoms (2003 and later) and mine is still solid. I have a friend who bought an older model and the transom was rotted so he had it replaced. Looks and runs great now. Merry Christmas.
I bought and restored a 1991 184scr and love it...I believe the transom is good, but not totally sure to be honest. The only way I know to check the transom is pushing motor back and forth and watching to see if transom has a lot of flexing. If there are any other ways to do a better job on checking your transom can you or anyone on here let me know?
Thanks... Wow just noticed B-Lat commented right below me,,, pretty cool 😎
Read what Pat Goff said about the transom. Find him on the BBC Forums. If it's wet let it dry out then reseal it properly. Which should be done every few years on any boat's holes in the transom.
Don’t forget about the Mean 15, those boats were wide as 19ft Bass Cat back in 1990 , also I saw a 150 on one, they were rated for a 85 or 90 horse!
I still own my 1993 190 champion dcx elite i purchased new. It came with a 200hp merc, but it broke a piston ring and scared the head. I had it rebuilt and it ran slower so i traded that in for a 1996 evinrude 3.0L limited edition. It runs 72mph and its been in a garage from day one. In My opinion the only boat better in 1993 was ranger, but i could still pull away from a 19ft ranger with a 200hp merc. Last year i replaced the locker door shocks/opener everything else is original. Lots of good memories fishing with my Dad. My kids will be fishing in it next year with me making more memories.
I have owned my 2004 Champion 206 dual console since 2013. Love the boat with its great ride & storage. Repowered it last spring with the great Suzuki 250 SS matt black. In the next few weeks will be rebuilding the transom
Sorry sent my last comment before I was done. Like I was saying I’m having the transom rebuilt on the 206 at Falcon boats manufacturing..,” Marine Pro” in Newberry,SC The service guy said the transom was rotted but I have seen in these comments that my 2004 should be all composite. Is that correct? Also what’s your advice on propping the Suzuki for my hull. Ive got a Suzuki 4 blade 27p that runs the boat up to 69mph. Tried a scorpion demo prop 29 pitch.That was a mistake. Only could get 5700 rpms & 67mph after about a 3/4 mile run. The Suzuki prop is turning 6200-6300. Do you think a scorpion 27 or 28p would be a better choice?
@@michaelcampbell5376 2004 shouldn't have a wood transom
I worked in Murfreesboro near the end and yes you're right
I own a 1998 186 champ still today love the boat I’m looking for a 20 footer impossible to find. 206 maybe
Ok andy. I am a champ guy. My 96 186 with 175 efi. Runs 61+-. Its a handfull above that. Cruises 55 like a beast. Handles rough water like a much bigger boat. Omg handles like a Porsche. Now i think MH Champs are a "Drivers" boat. The Tn boats (ie 210) is more cabin cruiser ish. Less driver input. Id love to see the MH vs Tn vid. What changed? Yes wider and composite transoms. Ride? Qaulity? Speed? . My next champ will prob be a tn 210 unless you really poopoo it andy😁
I still remember the first time my grandpa and I saw a 223 while we were out on Fork in the 90s. Thing was like seeing a battleship.
Merry Christmas! Can't wait to get my boat out on the water 🎄⛄
My 96’ 191 is still goin strong. Gel coat still looks like she rolled off the show room floor back then. Transom so far is still good, no flex and that ol 200merc still fires up on the first turn. I love my girl!
Merry Christmas TEAM MARINE Speed , Money , No , Brakes !!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the Holiday Cheer Andy! Your video was a great Christmas present. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Yall gonna finish that 202 build or did yall just not document it? Thanks
Champion had transom issues in wood transom boats ( pre 2004 ) composite transoms are very strong . Having had both and being a champion fan I have learned a lot about them over the years . A lot of guys like the narrow boats for the ride but fishing wise the wide body champs are far superior. Very stable platform and can run in pretty rough water
I got a 1987 champion 187 fish and ski, with. 200 merk. Love it. Gonna go look at a 1999 187 dc .
have a 97 191 elite, 200 vindicator, planning to do the transon in spring. love the boat, not sure that i would change anything. got here looking for the transom pour on the 202??????????? maybe do a direct comparison of 2 stroke 200 (any brand) and then put a 200 suzuki on it and see what she does???
What happened to that restoration?
One of the best qualities was how great it rode at 16 mph going to the next close spot. It rode not only amazing fast but also just enough on plane to get to the next point
I love my 1989 Champion 21'
2005 196 with a gas luvin 200 Merc EFI here. Good boat, only ChampN I've ever owned but rode in several others. Appreciate the review on Champs. I'll never sell mine but do need a new trailer desperately as the tube trailer is like sitting on a grenade with the pin pulled.
I rocked an 85 184 SC for a few years. She got me home in some sketchy situations I had no reason being in!! Quality of that boat is why I went Gatortrax. I appreciate quality, and need to have faith that the boat will get me home safe.
Spot on for choosing a GT then. Quality is number 1 in our book too and GT's are definitely the best tin rigs on the market
You hit the nail on the head
I own a 1996 181DC Champion with a 150 EFI Merc w/4 blade prop. Hole shot is fast and top end is in the mid 60's. The Champion handles great with the 4 blade prop. Only issue(s) so far is the middle seat(leather) with cooler underneath is starting to crack and the carpet between the two consuls towards the middle storage compartment is starting to lift. Everything else on the boat is still in ex. cond. No cracks at all. The trailer will have to have the bunks replaced soon for the 1st time. The brake system on the trailer is shot. Don't plan on replacing that. It's a great boat for smaller waters and not a lot of leg room if your a large person. The Merc 150EFI runs like a Banshee still !!!
Where do you stand with the Champ you were restoring?
I'm debating about buying a buddy's 203 and was watching the series to see what I was getting myself into. Since I know his needs work but the series just ended.
My buddy bought a 187 the same year I bought a Ranger 350v. That 187 was the best riding boat I ever rode in, hands down. My Ranger always out ran it but you had to be a 'bullrider' in the slightest chop. Lol! I still have my Ranger but he sold his 187 after 6-7 years. Never did find out why, I would've bought it, too!
My 1rst bass boat was a 2000 202SC tournament edition, blood red in color with alil silver pinstripe... she was a REAL looker and i got so many compliments on it. Partial traded it off for my '17 520C Ranger ( moreless just to get more up to date stuff on a boat)
Great series... keep'm coming👍
mine is an 87 ,18ft. love it. great boat, no issues ,best ride on the lake.
I'm currently looking at a 2008 Champion 210 Elite I'll find out tomorrow budget wise if it fits my needs. Here's to hopefulness.
Good luck buddy!
Had a question on getting parts for 1997 202 Champion. In need of wind shields.
196 owner. Love it! Abused it and she's stil here! l
Bought new 98 186dc. Absolutely loved it. White with black neon stripes. Everything you said spot on. Springs broke champion replaced free. Transom small issue I fixed. No problem. Had to sell when wife got cancer in 2016. She fought hard but lost her battle. I’m retired now and would love to find a 202 or 203 project. What would be a price for one. Thanks love your channel.
have had my 2004 188 since 2010 no major issues. Top cap kept getting loose around 2016 but i resealed with sikaflex and still holding tight until this day. Also cleaned up and resealed the transom cap and jackplate / jack plate bolts for preventative measures.
You nailed it in this video. I own a 98 202 and absolutely love it. No transom or trailer issues yet but if/when it happens I'll fix it to keep the boat. I fish Lake Erie a lot and this is an incredible rough water boat. Thanks for posting cool content.
I also have a 98 202 with a Jack plate and a merc 200 EFI and no problems. Fished it almost daily when I guided.
I’m the original owner of a 2004 Champion 198 Elite Dual Console. Its a great riding boat out on rough water in the Potomac River and Upper Chesapeake Bay. I’ve had only minor issues with the boat like electrical and other components that you could expect to fail over time. The trailer finally had some spring and shackle issues 3 years ago - luckily I was only a few miles from my house when it happened. My Champion is getting to be near 20 years old and it is in great shape. I still get comments about the way it looks since I’ve kept great care of it through the years. After owning a Champion all of these years I’m not sure what I would purchase next - what would you say is top of the line these days for fit, finish and quality.
Bass cat for sure. I'm a champion guy as well and I would say bass cats are made better than champion ever were. I like the look of champion much better than the cats.
Im on my 2nd champ , first was 79 16' super v with a 150 , crazy fun to drive , i actually just picked up a 87 176 with a yamaha , over all boat is in great shape. Love the content , get that champ built you had in the shop . Peace
Rebuilding the transom on my 1980 champion super v. it’s 16.8 amazing and fast boat doesn’t look nearly as old as it is looks better even with the bad transom compared to 90’s boats but so worth it nothing like a champion.
Merry Christmas to all you guys at Team Marine and here’s hoping for a great New Year!
HAPPY HOLIDAY’S! Keep up the awesome work!
I’m looking at a ‘97 201DC with an ‘06 Evinrude E-tec 225, Gorilla Hull. Am I crazy for considering this with the known transom issues? Was told this one is solid but have yet to see it.
Love my 202 best ride ever transom still solid from 96
I saved a 1984 18ft champion from a barn, guy just gave it me. Currently in the process is cleaning it up and getting it running. It's rough but I'll breath life into her.
Got a 2003 196 with a 2.5L 200 EFI. Definitely not the fastest boat, but fishes great, rides unbelievable in rough water, and I can fit behind the console....haha 6’5” limits you on certain brands and sizes in the older boats.
Still looks better than most boats only a few years old when at the lake and definitely agree with how the boats still look modern and up to date for their years. They are Timeless.
Hi Sir, I have a 2007 Champion 200 Elite with a 225 Evinrude HO motor and I love this Boat?
What’s your opinion on the 1986 champion?? I’m looking at buying one possibly
Merry Christmas team marine . Love my 202 don’t ever see me letting it go ( solid transom still 97) the people that I know of that know the stories best are Matthew snooks (worked at mountain home and built all the special hulls) and pat Geoff I have read many articles from these 2 and have even asked set up questions over the years and they are spot on. I hope they see this video and chime in .
The Champ 203 was a great boat for sure....a great riding boat as I remember. As far as stress cracks go, none of my BassCats ever had a stress crack ( with plenty of use in Lake Erie) just sayin
So I’m going to look at a 79 on Tuesday. She’s been completely overhauled and the transom has been done, she’s a decent looker as well. Everything I just heard made me feel more at ease with her being the age she is, thanks!
What year did they go from wood to composite transom?
What are your thoughts on 2000 203 anniversary edition DCX. I am going tomorrow to look at one that I may buy. I was going back and forth with a 96 488vs ranger. Which would be better for the money?
The fishhunter Champs have the gunnel to gunnel transom. My 1996 180 fishunter has a rock solid transom. Still running the original 175 efi mariner.
Andy I’ve owned 2 champions. One was the 1980 “champ” which rode great for an older boat on the smaller side.
I currently have a 1993 204 DCX, which has an unbelievable ride in rough water. Can’t say enough on how much I like running a Champion. No transom issues yet. If there ever is I’m sure I’ll replace the transom and keep running it. Too nice of a boat not to!
Just picked up a 93 204 needs some work sat for 13 years. Tore it apart down to the glass and she solid as can be. I'm 190 lbs and I jumped up and down on the motor transom solid as a rock handed over the cash..... I got a great deal
Working on rebuilding the transom on my 1980 champ 16’8” super v nothing like a champion. It’s been a great boat and keeping that 1980 mariner/mercury tower of power going has made mine fabulous.
I had a 176sc Champion with a 150 Suzuki. Chine walked like crazy until I learned how to drive. Fun first bass boat and was scary fast.
Dear friends, I need your input and advice. I need to redo the entire livewll panel and switches and new windshields. Is this easy to do or do you recommend to take it to a shop?
Currently running my 1996 180 fushunter. It's the first champ that I've owned but I've been fishing out of my older cousins 210 fishunter since it was new in 2004. Always loved champion boats ever since I rod in it for the first time when I was 9 years old.
I have a 94 201 and the transom is still solid. Had a 2016 opti. Im sure one day ill replace the transom but as of now its solid
How about your thoughts on the 210 elites after the buy out? I own a 2011 champion/stratos just curious on what you think of them! Thanks for all the great shows!
My brother just sold his 210 elite
Champion / stratos due to health reasons. It was a nice rig. Rode good
No issues. Also looked great.
I have a 1999 203 Elite I got it in 2000 and its still as clean and looks likes new in 2022 that is the best boat in the boating world hands down the hull is one of a kind no slip in the water.
My dad had a 206 up until a few years ago still the best looking boat and best running I've been in
Love my 2003 206 fish a lot on Erie never any problems 225 evinrude 25 fury 69 mph
I know this isn't the topic but what about a crappie theme glass boat that will double as a bass fishing boat. I agree with the Champion hull. I have my eye on the Pantera 2 Bass Cat.
Merry Christmas!
Love my ‘96 202
Merry Christmas, hope to see Return of the Champ again soon.
Andy, here's wishing you a merry Christmas a prosperous 2022. Great show, look forward to getting that notification cause I know it's going to be a great show. Thanks again
MERRY CHRISTMAS TEAM MARINE SERVICE. Hope y’all have a SAFE & PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!🎣😉🇺🇸👍
Whats your oponion on the champion 221 elite
I just found your videos today OMG you're hilarious and super informative. I'm going to buy a used bass boat in the next couple months and I'm researching what to buy and what not to buy, thank god I found you. But this is my question if you were budgeted with 5-10 grand what would be some of your choices. I'm looking at fiber glass boats but to be honest theres so much. I've eliminated some boats and motors after watching some of your videos, but if you could do a video on some top 10 starter boats in that price range that would be great. Thanks
my husband is in a very similar situation. He and my 10 year old son are getting into bass fishing and want a good, older boat for starting in the sport.
Awesome video! Glad my suggestion worked. Owned a 98 203 and only sold if for my 2008 210. Loved them both
So what about a 2005 champion 186 cx with a 150 hpdi it. One owner with 140 hrs ????
I just bought my first bass boat ever last spring and it’s a 1979 champion 16 foot. It’s got a 130 Johnson on the back which is a 1997. seems to be a really good boat so far. Only paid $3,500 for
It. I am totally hooked on bass fishing now. Does anyone have any thoughts about the 79 champion?
I'm completely rebuilding a 1999 191 right now. All woodcreplaced with Coosa. The teansom was good. Replaced it anyway. Stringers were wet as was all the foam. Boat set outside for years. Traded a junk truck for it. I sold these boats from 1977 to 1987. Last one I owned was a 99' 203. I prefer the 191, 190, 193 in that order. Not a fan of the wides like 198, 206, 210.
First off, I would like to say that I love your channel, especially the Over/Under. I owned a 2000 Champ 193SCX for 16 years. Best rough water ride ever! I did not have any transom issues, or any other structural issues at all. It sat on a Dri Doc Trailer which was total garbage. Broken leaf spring and several broken swing away tongues, axle problems ect… How about a “GOOD, BAD & UGLY” on the 2020 Ranger Z520L? Keep up the great work!
Had a 1988 ranger R415, rare boat and a Great boat but have a 1987 Champion Super V fish and ski. 18.4 DC. With mer blackmax 200hp. Handles water like a Champ, and does 70mph.
i have a 05 champion 188 elite i love this boat i have had 8 different boat brands and this have the one that fell in love with it can you do a review on this boat bc i really cant not find anything wrong with this boat that i do not like everything was made perfect has a 04 yamaha vmax 0x66 200hp on it and it just seems to be perfect thanks.
its a 30th anniversay