Isabel Neville - The Forgotten Duchess Of Medieval England
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- Опубликовано: 26 янв 2022
- Isabel Neville - the forgotten duchess of medieval England
The history books are full of rich stories about men and women in past societies. We can learn about the kings and queens who ruled the kingdom, as well as the lords and ladies who attended their courts. If we think about medieval England, specifically the latter part, then we are taken to the wars of the roses and the battles that were fought. We think of king Henry VI and Richard III to name just a few, as well as the likes of Warwick kingmaker and his daughter who became queen. If we look close enough at the history then we can see that that particular queen, Anne Neville, had a sister who also married into royalty. Isabel Neville is a woman mostly forgotten and it’s this royal duchess that we will be focusing on. Who was she? And what challenges did she come across in her life.
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Her son Edward, 17th Earl of Warwick was executed in 1499 during the reign of Henry 7th alongside Perkin Warbeck
(His sister Margaret Pole was executed during the reign of Henry 8th)
This is true and her daughter Margerate Pole was also executed for treason in 1541 by the order of her nephew, Henry VIII. So by all accounts her husband and both her children were all murdered for treason under three different kings. What a time to be alive, not..
Oh I apologize for basically just parroting what you said. I only read the first half about Teddy(Edward). I didn't see the second half of the post when you explained that Margerate was also beheaded. I suppose there's no harm in sharing more knowledge with one another though♥♥♥
Was the 17th earl really mentally ill or was it just another Tudor propaganda?
George and Isabel are both my ancestors. I am a descendant of Margaret de la Pole who was their daughter who lived to be 69 years old and then imprisoned and executed by Henry VIII.
Margaret de la Pole was executed by Henry VIII and was later Canonized as a Martyr by the Catholic Church. She carried a charm depicting a wine barrel in remembrance of her father George duke oof Clarence who was drowned by his brother Edward IV. Both Edward and George were my ancestors. Richard III was their brother, and Anne , Isabel's sister was Richards wife. Richard was defeated by Henry VII, who married Elizabeth of York, daughter of Edward IV.
Love the Neville sisters. Thank you, this is awesome!
I would love to see a film about Anne Neville and Richard III
Philippa Gregory has written a book about them,
"The Kingmaker's Daughter". So they will likely make a movie (with diverse and unhistoric ethnicities...)
Wonderfully produced series (2013) called "The White Queen" was on TV. I guess it depends where you live but it's available at the public library in Canada, so it might be easy for you to watch it. It's based on a novel so there will be disagreement but the scene where Richard rescues Anne from a mob is pure romance!! It has excellent costumes and settings. And the cast - Janet McTeer and Max Irons and so many more.
Lovely video and it was about time someone covered Isabel!
Although, there are some innacuracies, eg Isabel may have been the second lady of the country in rank but she never ‘took her place at court’. She lived almost exclusively in her estates.
Also there is no evidence that Richard ‘bargained’ to release Anne Beauchamp from the abbey, all we know is that she went on to live with Richard and Anne Neville at Middleham.
Would you be willing to insert images of their family trees It is hard to grasp the relationships that quickly, at least for me. I can't look at the images of locations that are not in sync with the narrative Probably just getting old can only focus on one thing at a time these days. Came straight to you after watching Trudeau go into hiding as the truckers are approaching Ottawa. Medieval drama is a great escape. Thank you for all your work.
@AlannahRayne escaping into history is how I'm coping with " the cult of personality" here in the States! It's wonderful isn't? I can understand why women of means retired to an abbey or a convent! A couple of hours of lectures on medieval or Renaissance history a day some how makes it easier navigate modern turmoil.
@@nancycampbell8671 I hear that! But then I think of our ancestors and think they had it a lot worse. There has to be an end to the madness for. all time. soon 🙏
I learned by watching all the movie made about this time period. The Plantagenets through the Tudors. I started with the White Queen & I was totally hooked. It's not 100% accurate but it definitely got my attention.
Both Anne and Isabel probably died of consumption, a disease that was fatal to rich and poor alike. When Richard got his mother-in-law released, it was not the act of a kindly son-in-law. He basically kept the Countess of Warwick isolated in separate but comfortable part of his castle. The older woman had been pestering everyone at Court about the return of her fortune. Because her wealth was now divided between the York brothers, no one wanted to be bothered by her.
I certainly didn't forget the King makers daughters. They lived incredibly interesting lives and as thats my favorite time period amongst history, I'll devour anything about the monarchy of Medevial England.
after the birth of my 2nd child, I developed a uterine infection. When she was 6 days old, I had to be hospitalized for a week with IV antibiotics and pain meds. This was 1990 and I had her in a hospital. It is no wonder so many women died after childbirth before people understood germs and diseases.
That portrait of Richard Neville can't be him, for one thing he is dressed in Elizabethans clothing for noblemen. So it had to be painted long after Neville died.
That's a good catch! It is confirmed to be a 17th century painting. There is text on the painting that says "Richard Neville, Earl of Warick 1449" so perhaps it was an artist's rendition of him? But it definitely was not done during his lifetime.
As always, thank you. Very interesting & well done.
Very interesting,thank you for sharing
I truly enjoyed your video, especially the drawings and the other scenes
One was executed during Henry Viii. Edward was executed during the reign of Henry Vii.
Wow, Anne was like a real life Cinderella.
Cecily the Duchess of York probably favored the marriage of Isabel to her son George. Like Isabel, the Duchess was a Neville. George, the Duke of Clarence was the Duchess' favorite child. Unlike his brother Edward VI, George was a faithful husband,
There is some debate whether or not Isabel actively worked with her husband Clarence to deny Ann her portion of the Warwick inheritance and block Ann's marriage to Richard, or if she was simply dragged along with George's machinations. As his wife, she had little in the way of rights to assert, and Clarence was known to be quite harsh and ruthless...if not very clever.
The Duke of Gloucester was faithful to Isabelle. The marriage of Isabelle and George had the approval of his mother. Because Isabelle supported George in all his efforts, it is unlikely that she would have opposed her husbands's attempt to all of the Warwick inheritance. It was not a charitable act for Richard to negotiate the release of his mother-in-law . Because Anne's mother kept writing letters to high-ranking people protesting the acquisition of her fortune by her sons-in-laws, Richard kept her in separate quarters and prevented her from communicating with outsiders.
Wow thanks so much for these Intresting stories 💖
Isabel's son (Edward) was executed by Henry VII not by Henry VIII (who DID, however, truly execute Margaret Pole)
Interesting video. Mortality rate was so high back then. It is really sad how all four of the family died. Margaret Pole's execution was brutal by eleven blows as was George's, being drowned in wine.
Thank you. I don't think anyone has done one on Isabel and I guarantee Duchess Cecily was there. Edward of Warwick was killed during Henry VII's reign, not Henry VIII's
Yes , he was killed as a very young man
"Sources agree that the body [of the stillborn child] was either buried at sea or brought ashore..." terrible situation, but weird comment....after all, what other option was there ? The baby could not have been launched into outer space !!
Yes…
My great great great.... Grandfather married the great great great granddaughter of Richard duke of York and Cecily. 😎
Childbed fever could also be caused retained fragments of placenta or lacerations from birth ( no ability to stitch it up or remove fragments that we have now)
Puerperal fever took many women after childbirth. e.g. Jane Seymour
Trust me, even in the Medical Modern Age of 1990, I almost passed of Child Bed Fever
I warned Doctors ahead of time that My Maternal Grandmother had passed of the same.
I was assured; that didn’t happen anymore.
Left to care of the infant bymyself and being my first child I was advised just normal from every mother. Making their experience more horrifying. Unfortunately, I listened and it almost cost my life by the time I was in emerg and having the missed infected pieces of the placenta removed.
Always go to Emerg, respect your story first. Xo
@@lisamarie6411 oh, my, what a scary story....thank you for telling us your experience
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Ahhhh! We share a birthday. 9/5. Also King Louis 14th’s, Bob Newhart, Melissa Gilbert, Raquel Welch, and Jesse James.
December of 1476 and January 1477 are like 12 months apart. The year did not change on January first until like 1720. So is it January of 1476 or was there 12 months in between?
She is fascinating can you recommend a book about her or the book where you got your information from
While not a biography (historical fiction) The Kingmaker's Daughter by Philippa Gregory has the main facts and is very entertaining.
And wasn't it the DNA of one of her descendants that proved that the skeleton found in a Leicester carpark was indeed that of king Richard the Third?or something to that effect.
Wasn't her husband the duke of Clarence killed by being drowned in a barrel of Malmsey wine?I think this is mentioned in one of Shakespeare's history plays.
Yeah it's rumoured he was and it was Shakespeare's Richard III
Slight caution here in that Shakespeare's plays, while very entertaining , were not strictly 'historical '.
I really enjoy your content and the obvious research it requires. Thank you!
However, this one needs a really thorough script-edit; “it is agreed by historians the child was either buried at sea or taken ashore”‽ So, it wasn’t agreed at all…
If you’d like a hand, I’d be glad to read thru your scripts before you take your careful time to dedicate them to recording.
But again, thank you for your carefully researched content and all it conveys.
Edward Duke of Warwick was executed during Henry VII's reign, not Henry VIII.
Isabel neville had a tragic and hard life but she had her children.
My great aunt x,s (19?) thru marriage
That's awesome
Giving birth is risky business, then and today. I guess I'd like evidence to support why people assume that birthing practices were unsanitary then. I think you more correctly stated that women still get infections but that we have modern medicines to deal with those infections. I think about my friends and family, and then the amount of women and children who wouldn't be here without medical intervention, and the percentage is pretty high. I live in northeastern America where all the people I'm thinking of had early prenatal care, great nutrition and delivered in modern, well funded hospitals. It's not too hard for me to think that we'd have similar mortality rates.
Yes pregnancy is risky business then and now, as far as needing proof it was unsanitary then? Really? We can start with not washing hands, the whole concept of soap and water taking care of germs didn't happen or become proper practice until the Victorian times. These are also the same people who washed clothes in urine. It's not assuming it was, it's looking at history and realizing that those times were very unsanitary to begin with.
Childbirth terrifies me. I can't be alone in this, lol.
@@ButtonsCasey washing in urine does sound hideous. Of course it was aged so that it broke down to, wait for it, amonia! We still use amonia for cleaning today. Dow Chemical didn't exist, they had to create it themselves. It effectively cleans grease and stains. As we do today, after washing the garments, they were thoroughly rinsed and dried. Laundry was a big chore. (Lye soap was also used. The making of that isn't lovely either, but the caustic stuff sure gets the job done.) I hope not to freak anyone out, but haven't you ever noticed the ingredient "urea" in modern products, especially skin care products?
I used to think the people of the past were dirty too. Since then I've watched videos from people who have lived in period recreations for stretches of time and used ancient methods of personal grooming. They've all said that they were surprised by the effectiveness. To me this demonstrates a desire to be clean and not ignorantly, and contentedly, living in squalor. Perhaps their ignorance of microscopic pathogens didn't necessarily equate to filth? However, there must be records of what the birthing rituals of the time were. Even though that might be skewed to the wealthy and not the peasantry, it would give us some better ideas. I've learned to approach history now with more of an open mind and less preconceived notions. That way I can get to facts. I always pay closer attention when there is evidence and documentation to support a theory.
@@RowanWarren78 lol me too, and I'm a parent and grandparent!! It's not the fear of the unknown but the knowledge that the miracle of birth can be risky business.
@@nancycampbell8671 Ammonia can be a wonderful thing; historically used as an astringent.
Ouch. Close to History Calling's recent video, no?
Seems like nearly every guy is named Richard and Edward. Sheesh
Love it ……. “ it wouldn’t help her as she was still very much dead”
I was waiting for someone to pick up on that😂
Ankarette or Ankaret Twynyho (nee Hawkeston) was innocent !
Richard III?? The one found under a carpark lot amd been there for 700 years? 😆 lool
@530 years, actually.
Yep, amazing story…
Yep, my good old uncle Dick, and he probably killed my uncles, the Princes in the Tower also.
According to history, lsabelle neville was very naive.......