Don't Start Your Dreadlocks Like This!
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Soooo, I have a question. So, I kinda got my hair twisted like this and I know you're not supposed to get them retwisted but every so often but I don't have fully black hair and my twists keep trying to come undone. What do I do?
Got mine started with 2 strand twists. Don't regret, enjoying the journey, trusting the process. I'm a year and 5 months now. Locs looking thick, healthy and flourishing.
Should you start with finger coils or Teo strand twists?
@@MyManXavier I think twist because it also give a more put together style and is less prone to unraveling
Im 8 months into my dreadlock journey started out comb coils and I love my locs I love the grind
@@MyManXavier change of mind I combined them out because the twist made them clumpy I’m starting over with coils because it just makes them a more Sendler but the twist looked better
i have twist now but like what do i do after that
People do your research and do what's best for your locs. And please don't rush the process it's more than a hairstyle it's a spiritual journey.
U hit the nail on the head 💯🙏🏾
😂
Is this dude black? I'm not taking hair advice from someone who is not....
I just don’t wanna waste 40)
@@PrincessChava he’s legit , trust 😆
4c hair locks after a month. The looser the curl the longer it takes to lock. The parting is good for styling. The crochet hook thins out the hair over time.
During the summer I wanted freeforms and it took me about 5 months before I could wash my hair without it unraveling
I was finsta say , i'm SURE my hair would lock after a MONTH. lol
I feel like a lot of the major advice he gives is anecdotal and true for his hair type. He doesn't really seem to research or consider other hair types which can lead people astray.
How fast does it take for 4a
My guy is so phony🙄
If you start your locs with comb coils, you can shampoo your coils if you put a thin stocking cap on your head first. Wash your hair while your hair is under the stocking cap as to not disturb the coils too much, and rinse thoroughly ♥️
This you for this tip ❤
Great tip
Yep, that's what I did for my daughter.
That’s what I did. I waited to wash mine for 3 months after I started. Once I washed with a stocking cap it was loc’d at the roots. The ends took almost 4 years to loc
I didnt wash mine until a retwist do they pretty much stayed
Echoing what a lot of people are saying, comb coils are great for people with tighter curls, and for people who want to have the whole process of locking their hair. It takes A LOT of patience, something we don’t really have anymore. Comb coils vary person to person, personally I started my locs with comb coils in July of 2021, my hair started budding in early September, and I’d say my hair was fully mature at around the 7 month mark. There’s no hard answer for when your hair will do its thing, it depends on your head, hair type, and your genes. Crochet hooking is great for instant locs, locking up hair with looser hair texture, and maintaining locs. It’s also a great way to start locs. Choosing the right way to start locs is all about knowing your hair, and doing the research. Yes, comb coils are the “default” way of starting locs, so if you want instant locs tell the Loctician before you even set up the appointment. Also ASK QUESTIONS! There’s no shame in asking your Loctician questions. A fair amount of my loc knowledge comes from my Loctician.
I don’t really like this fearmongering of comb coils just to push people into clicking your affiliate link, GreatLocs. You’re better than that.
Completely agree with you 💯
Hmmm. I disagree with your take on the comb coils. They can lock pretty quickly (3 months) depending on the texture. I know you’re big on crocheting/your crochet hook, but that’s really a necessity for looser hair textures that constantly unravel. And the amount of “product” needed to start isn’t always bad. My loctician used homemade flaxseed + essential oils to start my coils and uses it on my retwists and my hair is already locking two months in. I hope you’re not saying this to push your crotchet hook product…
exactly the comb coils depends on youre hair ive started locs 3 different times all comb coils 3 months to 5 as long as you’re twisting you hair not getting retwists but just twisting them you’re self you’re hair will mature fairly quick
facts our our dont take much to lock
I have curly hair I’d say 3c maybe even 4a kinds inbetween how long would it take me?
Came here to say the same. It depends on your hair. Even though I have a soft texture, my hair likes to tangle on itself. I had coils and they started locking pretty quickly.
I started with coils on 2/24/22 I’m 4 months loc loving it. haven’t had a retwist I’m just letting my beautiful hair rock out. my hair is healthy product free and Beautiful
Growing locs is a natural process it cannot be rushed. It's either ur committed to the journey or ur not😎but I say it worth it! I mean we wait for everything else in our lives to fall into place..so we don't need to be stressin over a natural hair process 😘Blessed 🙏🏾
People instant loc now it don’t even matter at this point lol
After starting my coil locs 5 times I decided to instant loc....life is too stressful for me to be letting hair frustrate me as well. I had to release that brainwash of if it aint hard it aint worth...
I agree!!
He’s juss giving people an idea cuz not everyone wants the full journey.. they might be lonly interested in the hairstyle and Gunther has been through like 3 loc journeys 😆 but I definitely prefer the the full journey
Not that’s serious
Love your videos! I think it depends on hair type. My sons coils locd up in about two months. He went from coils that didn’t reach mid forehead to lip/chin length in one year and he only retwisted 4 times for the first year. I just started my journey because I am so inspired by his ☺️
Your right it definitely depends on your hair texture. Type 3& 4 hair usually usually loc well vs his texture. His (RUclipsr) texted looks like a soft texture which is why it takes his hair awhile to loc with coil method
@@trishaprosper2066 I have 3c to 4a hair how long would it take me yoy think?
My hair is already coils and when I put coils in it grows pretty fast so I’d agreee
@@trishaprosper2066 I have 3c/4a but I'm not sure about coil or twists. I think twists though.
I did the coils and wet them every week and retwist with my fingers after. If you’re black and have natural curly hair your hair will naturally tangle itself when it gets wet. My hair locked within 7 months. Coils are def better 💯 and easier to take out if you decide that you don’t want them later on.
I dont think you should retwist them every week but im glad it worked out for you bro
Yo how often did u wash your hair with this method
@@lordbrikes5164 whenever needed fr sometimes every other month, sometimes every month. Depends on product build up or if I was getting a style
@@gccanecorsos6410 thanks cuz I had this style for about 2-3 months and I’m starting to see progress after my finger retwist
I honestly want them only for the summer
Started my locs in October with comb coils, and 2 months later my 4c hair is already locd. I’m ready for my hair to be mid back length
Yea 4c hair locs fast. It wants to be loc’d. I did this method but found out the hair in the back of my head was a looser texture so the 4c hair was beginning to loc but the other texture came undone. Starting over this month! Keep at it! Your hair will be down your back in no time.
@@ariari368 that’s what I’m looking forward to
2024
I started my locs with coils, no products, only water and oil. My hair ended up locing within 3 months and 2 retwists. You just have to be consistent with using purified water mist and oil to seal. That worked for me personally. Crochet and interlocking put a lot of strain on the roots and can cause thinning over time and also rip your hair. The only downfall with retwisting is that if you work out or get sweaty often it’s easy for it to get unraveled. Something to think about, hope this helps someone!
What kinda oil did u use?
Your hair looks so good. It nice and fluffy . I'm also on my lock journey 7 months strong!
It all depends on what you wanna do. I personally believe a 4 texture of hair doesn’t need any crocheting. My hair locked pretty quickly without it
I agree with you more than Gunter I feel like he may be talking about mixed hair
Same for me and none was undone. Just one seemed like a congo but wasn't lol
I have 4c hair by the way lol. And yeah she didn't redo my hair just corrected some little things and retwisted it
@@gritzxenus I have mixed hair, similar to Gunther's and its been locking up alot for about 2 months, as long as you don't mess with your hair too much it'll lock fast
@@tbbjae I feel like that's true aswell
something i’ve been doing before i start my loc journey is using my shed hair and a crochet needle to make dread extensions for when i finally dread my hair. it’s a great way to see how your hair dreads and what products work
I did that too
Lmao glad I wasn't the only one
I can’t wait to start my journey I’m so excited to rock my locs
Looks like you have a looser curl pattern. I started my son's locs 2 years ago now. His locs matured very early on. His locs are past his shoulders in the back and his front is under his nose. Very thick and healthy. We started from a super short faded mowhawk. Traditional is always a win.
It’s crazy that Im on my 2nd set of dreads, since I been watching you bro. I literally got maintained Hightop dreads the first time cuz of you. I’m on my semi-freeform dreads now and it’ll be 1 year and 3 months next week💪🏽💯
Me too but I'm on 3 no ths
One more day bro 😈
I'm on 6 months and mine is literally halfway locked and some are full locked.
dang man, been growing my hair for 3 years. My hair grows in protective styling and then sheds to the point i lose her when its in a fro, I been through different size fros and currently been rocking tiny two strand twists but idk should i chop it all off and start over?
@@TheKendeHD nope loc it up
The time it takes for hair to loc is totally based on the hair texture.
ABSOLUTELY!!!!
2:00 I'm a loctician and I let my clients know if I start your locs we're in this together. The consultation is the beginning of locking boot camp. I talk to them about maintenance, the many loc types & what locs are best for their lifestyle, not just "what looks cute". I also don't twist with gel, I use styling foam. No build up, light weight & great hold.
What styling foam do you use ?
There are pros and cons to both, advantage of the comb method is that you can take it out n keep ur length if you just wanted to experiment with locs. Whereas the hook method locks the root of the hair meaning that you have to cut all ur hair off and start again if you change your mind. Personally i started off with 2 strand twists which did keep coming out but when i was certain i wanted the locs which was after around 4-6 months then i got it instantly locked. Up to you!
This why I decided to go with Instant locs I’m 4 months into it and some my hair already looks like it’s starting to mature getting my first Retwist next Friday and gonna try 2 strain twist looking forward to it
I started mines this way too but I washed my hair monthly with a stocking cap and only 2 locs unraveled but if I start another set I will definitely do 2 strand twists. All in all I think the method you choose depends on hair texture and how you desire your locs to look.
I love your dreads. I am in the process of starting my love journey next Saturday and I am so excited to start my journey. It does take a lot of time and patience and I am up for it. I will also be doing the comb coils as the starting process.
Super informative video💯🎯💯 I'm glad you said this bcuz all I notice people automatically go to coils; I did one on myself and it kept coming out. Smh I couldn't deal twisting over and over just to make sure it stayed. 😮💨 I chose two strand twists and my hair is intact🙌🏾
I love this! I’ve been contemplating on getting locs for a few years now. This video helped me make the decision to start mines!
Got mine started with the coils I'm 2 years in and I absolutely love it
Started this way and used a tool to lock mine enough just to wash , usually the best looking dreads come from trusting the process
Good morning just received my crochet needle and locking tool thanks I'm just going to let my hair get a little longer and then I'm going to make my dreads. Bless 👊
The process is the fun part! But seriously it really depends on hair type because I’m 3weeks in and already budding.
I been growing my dreadlocs for 12 years now 🤙🏾🤙🏾🙏🏾👍🏾👌🏾😎
It doesn't take a whole year to loc, it will take some time, but not a year and you don't have to keep going to have it re-twisted if you're careful not to disturb the coils as they develop into locs. I started my locs this way, the stylist who did them did instruct me on how to care for them, I didn't have to use a whole lot of product, and I am still wearing the same locs that started out as coils 5- years later. The truth is there are a number of ways to start your locs, no one way predominates the other methods. It really boils down to preference and what you think works best for you. The good thing about the coil method is that you have time to change your mind if in the process you decide that you don't want them anymore. I enjoyed my coils, they have their own unique style that is just as beautiful, so...
I started my locs with comb coils but I braided over them for a total of a year (not the same set of braids for all that time obv). That helped me avoid the issues while the hair was locking. Somehow I recall When I took out the last set of braids after a year my locs were formed and I was good to go!
Aye I’m second almost third month loced started that method and I’m already almost fully budded. Did coils to start hair length was about 4 inches I actually prefer this method, would love to show you my life and hear feedback. :)
I'm definitely up for the entire Journey!! 👑 I started mine myself Dec. 1 with two strand twists. 😁 And there's waterless shampoo for a reason.
I'm a year loced and I started with coils but I researched five years before committing to it and I had a decent amount of length to my hair prior. No relaxer, wore a fro and wigs for about nine years because I enjoyed them. At the end of the day folk have to do what's best for their hair and not rush everything...
That waterless shampoo is garbage on locs
I started mines Dec 7th and some are already coming out especially when using hydrating mist of rose water and castor /tea tree oil to moisturize them. It’s agonizing tbh. I got 1 more comb coil retwist in me then I’m goin the crochet route lol
@@janiquewinfield8599 so how do u wash ur starter locs without unraveling
@@datway2133 u wait 1-2 months.
i did twisting with gel on 4a short hair and my dreads locked in 4 months. no crochet hooking whatsoever. it just depends on how you take care of your hair.
Was it hard maintaining your sections
@@lil_sharnrd7099 retwist every 1-2 months and you'll be fine. Just make sure you separate your hair every so often
@@TUCK2SHARP oh okay yh cause am gonna get my dreads so and my hair is like 4a or 4b and guntha kind of scared me when he said you really have to make sure you maintain it cause I was gonna leave mine for a while like 3-5😅then get my first retwist
@@lil_sharnrd7099 it wasn't really hard it just took me more time in the morning to get them together but it's not overwhelming at all
@@lil_sharnrd7099 they will lock fast if you was them every 2 weeks or so even if you aren't getting a retwist just wash them through a durag or stocking cap so they don't come loose
My first set actually locked in 3 months when I got them. Now that my hair texture changed and now starting the 2nd set of locs, now my hair is in the budding stage coming into 6 months. So theoretically it depends on the person, diet, genetics etc. 4c is going to lock the fastest because it’s naturally tight coiled
What did your hair texture change to? What was your hair texture before and after
@@hishamomar1119 it went from a 3C to a 2B
@@SkrillaScramz and it changed due to locking ? And which starting method did you use.
@@hishamomar1119 Yes, after I cut off the 1st set to start off fresh. I used comb coil/palm roll method both times
@@SkrillaScramz thank you
I know there are some ppl who prefer the "instant-locs" but for those who want a meaningful loc journey that has substance & a strong foundation, just trust the Process! Having locs is more than a hairstyle or a trend. This path is spiritual & will reveal a lot about who you really are, what you are made of, & what you are here to do.
So don't force it.. Just trust it!
How is it a spiritual journey? I’m curious
its not that deep for everyone
Um I want to get it done but I’m not into the spiritualism world, my husband don’t like weaves and plaits that’s what pushing me to get them done.
It’s fine if you’re not into the spiritual, but if there’s not another reason to get them done I wouldn’t do it. If it’s mainly to address the plait issue you could try two strand twists and see if you like those. If you’ve had them before they sit the same as locks do, you just get to unravel them if you don’t want to wear them anymore. You can also just keep them in and start your loc journey that way. I’d give it a try before locs because the route to remove them is to cut your hair or comb them out (which can take a hot second).
I want to start so bad
I disagree with the time frames you gave. Mine started locking in 2 weeks with no buildup. It definitely depends on the hair. But I make my loc gel so I don't worry about buildup or lint. Either way, the best locs come from trusting the entire process.
That's dope that you created your own gel queen! I am interested in making my own hair products and am intrigued in how you formulated that
This method was good for my hair cuz I got my hair locs in three months and all the locticians I’ve been too were surprised how quick it loced nice and my hair and scalp were healthy
It has NEVER taken my hair a year to loc.....I am on my 3rd set, I used the traditional method and it has been only a month and they are already loc'ing......by my fresh first real retwist in March...they will be loc'd
I juststarted my son's and did the coil way and his locked In 3 weeks
I have a 4a hair type so I'm going to do the twisting method method
My son got comb coils & started swim lessons 2 days later & then vacation for another week & back to swim lessons. The intent actually wasn’t to lock but after 3wewks they were locked. It was hell getting them loose. We definitely will be sure next time. I think 1 month he could be fully loc’ed
I had comb twist just for the style. In one month my hair had locd. I didn't want locs so I took my time and combed them out.
You should make a video on pros and cons of using a brush for freeforms I normally just let my hair do what it want but occasionally I’ll hit it with the brush
I started my locs AND MY daughter's with comb twist. I interlocked the roots and was able to wash and kept it moving. My daughter is 6 and her hair locked in 2/ months.
So i went this route and it was fine. I just went to get my hair done every 3 weeks for a wash and retwist. Then after that i was good. Now i am on an every 8-12 week retwist. I also started on 5 years of natural hair. If i had to do it all over again i would do 2 strand twists to start mine.
Why two strand twists to start ?
@@kayracka3909 it seems to me that the two strand twits looks better at the start. My coils were super frizzy and when it got washed they all pretty much came out.
2 strand twist to me is the best method to start Locs. I started with comb coils but had to restart 6 Locs due to colour damage which was caused by breakage.
My 2 strand twists Locs looks better and stayed together much easier than my comb coils. 😉
Im One Year And One Month Into My Dreadlock Journey And I Have Had My Front Dreads Unravel Many Times But Almost All The Other Ones Have Locced And Matured I Have No Problem With Paying For A Good Loctition And Maintaining Them Making Sure Thats They Qre Clean And Washing Out The Build Up I Spent Countless Nights Retwisting And Parting And Now All Of Them Are Lockes And I Make Sure To Get Them Styled To Enhance The Locs Even More
Exactly how I started my husband locs. Now they are so nice. So I say do what works for u. I never use gel tho.
I really wish I saw this video and trusted my instincts. I’m in this exact predicament right now 🙃 I’m sad a bit but still hopeful I’m only 2 months in so I’m considering starting over
I guess it really depends on how well a person manages there hair as well because I took this same route when I started my dreads and they were completely loc'd within 3 weeks. I honestly thought it would have taken longer because I even heard it takes about 4 to 6 months. Imagine my surprise seeing that. But then again my wife did add two other products to the gel as well so maybe that speeded up the lock process or something. Ima have to ask my wife what the products were called and then I'll post on here. Hope it works for everyone else like it did me.
What’s the products she use ?
Dawg thats your hair type my hair was fully locked after 2 months i had to pull them apart and comb them out as hard as i could and to get them out to redo them
Good content and great information
That’s the purpose of finding a stylist that can give you the right information and can explain to you How this journey goes I am a hairstylist and one of my specialties is locs some of the things you said about starting locs the traditional way I don’t agree with instant locs is a great way also but it’s a different feeling when it’s an actual journey it’s more to locs than it just being a hairstyle in many cultures they have meaning
The loc journey Is personal. If your hair is curly it will lock up. I did two stand twist myself and it works for me. My mom chose this method and it locked just fine
my coils loc’d within a month but not a lot of product was used on the shaft but more at the root. I only got a retwist 2 times after and I washed it as well.
1. They are call locs Not Dread locs.
2 . Doing the coil method provides you with neat looking locs.
3 your hair STARTS to loc at 3 months and can take UP TO 1 year to loc . Your hair texture plays a part in this .
Do your research and speak with a loctition
Everything doesn't need to be rushed. Nothing wrong with instant locs but it's not old fashion
💯💯
Yeah I don’t have locs yet (just researching) but I’ve always been very careful to just say “locs” after learning the origin of the “dread” portion of the word… he’s young and appears biracial/multiracial, probably just ignorant
they r both dreads and locs it doesn’t matter
they’re called whatever the person wants to call them
@@APTTMHYforever what if he is just light skinned like i am ? not everyone who is light skinned mixed
This isn’t necessarily true for people with tighter type 4 curls. Type 4 hair typically locs up fairly quickly, even in comb coils. This is more true for looser curls. For both looser and tighter curls, If you want instant locs then the crochet method or the interlock method is definitely the way to go however if you’re not in a rush and you have type 3-4 hair, you can definitely get away with other locking methods like comb coils
I started my locs this way and it only took mine 4months and I was locked but every one's hair is also different so do what's best for works for you and trust the process
I started my locs with comb coils on July, 3 2021. It does not take upwards of a year for the hair to start locking up because it hasn’t been a year and my hair is fully locked up.
Getting mine done tomorrow
I started my own in comb coils and by a month my hair was able to be washed it was really easy honestly .
See I just started in November and I did the gel twist not knowing,but I wanna buy the lox crochet and doing it that way while my hair is in gel twist
I totally enjoyed starting my loc’s with the instant loc method. I created my own loc’s 1/8 diameter waist length crochet onto my 3” of loose natural hair and interlocked the new growth with a 2 point rotation. I have had none of the issues common to other starting methods. The day I finished the installation I washed and oiled my mature looking loc’s and can wash them daily if I choose. I’m not trying to have a spiritual experience with my hair only a great easy way to proudly wear my natural hair with pride. Because I instant locked my hair I can cut my loc’s without worrying that they would unravel while maintaining a very neat and well maintained style.
I like to take control and find the best way to do everything using the best techniques and innovations possible. Why walk if you can drive or drive if you can take a plane!
I started my locs myself with coils (I have 3C hair). It’s locd within a month or two. My texture can’t hold two strand twists, they always unravel. When I did my coils, the only product I used was oil. My 3C hair was so curly, I didn’t need any gels, soufflés or butters.
Who cares if it takes over a year?? its not a sprint its a marathon, I'm 20 months locd next week, it did unravel at the start but guess what I just re twisted it,
I used to do a video every week on my channel updating my progress as I was that excited, I've chilled out a bit now though!! you get to see your locs form over time, its a beautiful thing, not everyone wants instant locs... I've even stopped retwistin, I'm semi freeform now!!
I did it this way for starting and after the first month went in with the crotchet. It’s a good way if one ever intents to comb out the hair but otherwise I find the gel contributes to buildup.
I think it depends on your hair length , strength and texture . I definitely did coils and it worked out great
I'm starting my dreads again after cutting in January
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I started with two strand and they locked up in no time yo🤩
My hair loves to clump up. I just freestyle all the parts and finger coil with curl cream and after a couple days when I wash it my coils are super knotted.
Comb coils are the best. Sorry. Every body different though.
My friend had comb coils for 3 months and he has a 4b-4c hair type and they locked up pretty fast and it didn’t take him 6-12 months and their looking like full on dreads now
I'm a two-strander for 3 months my hair surprised me by beginning to lock 4 days later.... But here's how, I took down my singles one day but I did two strand twist on each braid I took out did not wash but rinsed my hair and let it air dry left it alone for a few days, went swimming, washed it, shea butter, scarf and by the next week I had locks yes a few only locked at the bottom but I just got a retwist and had my sis interlock them
so what method leaves you with better locs? crochet hook, comb coils or two strand twists? i know he said the crochet hook is faster but are the dreads as good as the other methods? also between two strands and comb coils is there a better one out of the two or are they just as good as eachother
I been interlocking my locs and thats how I started them 🤷🏽♀️ they are long and healthy now after 3 years to my shoulders.
I had my dreads for about 3 months and then combed them out so I could restart. I didn't like the sectioning. My hair is slightly damaged but I'm tired of having lose hair. Would it be bad to start back combing now?
Wow great vid
I got some "dread care" a few days ago and silently died in pain but it was worth it. I don't know any other methods than with the crochet hook, interesting tho 🤔
My hair is different. I’ve started locs twice. I combed them out the first time after two years. Both times my locs were locd by the first retwist a month later. They weren’t mature yet but we’re locd. By month 4 my buds were gone and the loc was fully formed.
I'm doing my dread myself with coils method but without a comb, will it work?
I started my locs with comb coils and they locked pretty quickly and eventually grew to be down my back
This how i started mine around three months in i used the locking tool
Hair type 4C
I started my hair in the beginning. In August last year it was a maga fail ... They never stayed in my head for a long time. Two strands didn't work I took them out and started over with braids it's been a success ever since then
Your hair tho😍 i want some now
My hair is soft like that i always thought it would just unravel
Good video bro. You need to do more reaction videos.
my mom just does plats and they grow my hair out pretty good
I started my sons locs with coils and he was locked after about a month and a half. And he’s terrible with his maintenance and only retested 2 or 3 times the whole year 😅. It depends on the hair type.
does this work on straight hair? i was thinking about starting my locs like this bcs crochet hook thins hair and tbh i feel like the journey itself is worth the time it takes
Should i get a taper i already did finger coils myself and i did my whole head without a cut should i get a cut then go to someone to do the coils for me or get someone to do them coils but leave the parts to get cut at the barber?
can you just gel twist them then crotchet them ? want locs mad curious
My 4c hair locked in 3 months my 4b hair in the lower back took 4 months. I’m now 1 yr and 3 months into my journey.
I checked out your video, you talked about the coache hook but all I saw was a black screen. No demo so how do you lock with a coache hook or needle???
I did My loc with comb coil and it did take year
Water is the 🔑
does anyone know if you can use the hook while having the coils be new?
After you getting the comb locs, can you get Crocheted for better locking
I need help on the thickness on how my dreads are gonna turn out
I did the comb coils but I locked in within 3 months now I’m locked in locked in by month 7
im trying to start my sons dreads and the lady did the comb coils and they literally started unraveling the next day…. i tried keeping them up but everyday they’d come undone and it’s too much upkeep. now im looking for a different way