At 3:18, if you check the damage and stamina tab, you can see that a chained light is now 15 on berserker (from 12) and a chained heavy is 25 (from 20). That is a really nice buff, since now trading a light with berserkers armored side heavies actually gives a bigger profit, from the original 3/5/8 damage profit.
From what I've seen it looks like conq is going to be worse after the rework, which is a shame I am a conq main and I was hoping nothing much would change. I was expecting a few changes like the GB after a block.
Conq someone they keep shitting on, just look at this " unintented " leak of his " rework " that stomped him to the death, and ubishit refuses to fix it, thats how mutch they " love " him
I main Zerker and noticed the same points you made in the video. What I didn’t notice was the speed and man there’s a difference. Great analysis on all 3 characters. Good stuff, Freeze
i wanted zerker's 2nd combo side heavy to be unblockable. Its going to take some whiffs or mind games to get to that 3rd swing. He also really needs heavy > heavy > light as a chain now
well now people will more likely go for the parry for the 2nd heavy to stop you from going to the unblockable finisher, so i think it gives good mixup potential with the way it seems in the vid
If Berserker's top finisher becomes an unblockable I'm curious about whether parrying it will make him go OOS. Raider and Shugoki's 50+ damage unblockables force exhaustion on parry currently, meaning if its parried the enemy gets a free OOS punish. I kind of hope Berserker doesnt follow this trend and his unblockable being parried wont force exhaustion, much like Kensei currently, as it would definitely promote a more aggressive combat by softening the punishes for attacking (no more of this trying to land a 55 damage attack automatically results in a 96 damage punish bullshit in a mirror-match). Then again I believe were still getting those Parry changes with season 5, so who knows what might happen. If parries just end combos, drain stamina, and are required to stop unblockables then it would make sense to force exhaustion.
"Circus Combo finisher" is a great name for it. Ahah Looks like i was close with my guesses to your analysis. Hopefully it works out, I'd hate for it to be in vain.
Actually for Kensei, what we see in the trailer is the normal Doom of the Kensei (Heavy x3) with a Side uninterruptable as a Chain Finisher. What they added for Kensei in this trailer is the ability to do his soft feint but reversed. We all know Kensei can do a Top Unblockable and soft feint it in to a Side Uninterruptable. The move shown in the trailer is the reverse of that move. Kensei can now do a Side Uninterruptabl and soft feint it in to a Top Unblockable You’re right about 1 thing, He can now do an unblockable from the sides, but when he soft feints into a top heavy, it’ll turn into uninterruptable. Again it’s basically a reverse soft feint with reverse properties, side gets unblockable and top gets uninterruptable
Hanz Get ze Flammenwerfer do you think its possible every chain finisher heavy no matter where its coming from will be unblockable unless its soft feinted because then it will become uninterruptible? Im a bit confused because I dont see the white uninterruptible indicator when he seems to soft feint side heavy into top.
Hate to break it to you, but I don’t think kenseis top heavy finisher is unblockable after the rework. You can see here that when he feints into the top heavy, the orange glow disappears before hitting the target. Plus, if you watch the entire trailer, there a small clip where a kensei helps centurion tank a raider, kensei does the animation of the top unblockable, but no glow, and raider simply blocks it, not parry, but actually blocks. They might leave the stats on the top heavy finisher, but from what I’ve seen, it’s no longer unblockable. If I’m correct, it’s around 3:30 of the trailer video talking about season 5.
Honey Badger The Llama possibly. But this isn’t where kensei lacks. Kensei lacks in opening up players. Fighting someone who turtles up, especially with warden or aramusha, is difficult for kensei. Any attack he throws can be parried, and his helm splitter which can lead directly into top unblockable can be easily partied by someone who fights kensei a lot.
Conq's FBS into GB will be awesome! Hoping they add it so you hold GB for the Shield Bash and the Superior Block into lights will be very fun to pull off some sick combos with!
Correct me if I'm wrong but with the new parry changes lights are much safer so with Zerk and Conq looking like they will have light attacks this should help them be safe to throw out their attacks. If this is true then heroes like Highlander and Kensei will be much better at opening people up with unblockables and light counters. Looks like this might turn out to balance the game pretty nicely.
Yes definently, I think I heard that's one of the changes coming in is parry changes so this is just speculation but based on the heroes they are changing and highlander I think that is the direction headed.
One of the things i'm super happy about is the arena lab, allowing to have direct access to attacks dmg and stamina costs/dmg ! Good improvement in terms of game knowledge, and training. Practice optimal punishes on some very rare occasions looks exciting for example. And regarding Conq's rework : i was wondering if they didn't allign with the other shield heroes in terms of sup. block : maybe the all block stance now gives sup block, like WL and Valk, and gives access to more options. The sup block light is also such a good tool to mind game regarding feint into gb gameplay!
additional thing on zerk i noticed, the side combo Heavy now deals 25 dmg instead of 20, it's still kinda weak for trading and chip purposes, but it's still something better than a pathetic 20 dmg heavy 3:06 for the dmg values
It looks like conqueror's superior block light isn't as you described, more like his previous free gb after heavy block; conqueror blocks, gets a light attack
As a small quibble, the new move they showed for Conqueror isn't a Superior Block Light. It's a Full Block > Blocked Attack > Light Counterattack. Warlord has something similar (he also can headbutt off a block, or throw a heavy from full block stance).
I want to join in on this discussion, on one side or the other... but I can't seem to see Conq going into full block or starting a light.. Who knows, maybe it'll be something magical and fresh
Saint Landwalker yeah actually, I went back to the first frame of the slow Mo clip and I've been smashing Conq lately, that's 100% his full block animation, he's slightly leaned in and his shield isn't in a noticeably left/right/top direction. Definitely a full block move, good spot.
well we only assume it's gone because the animation we see later in the video. they could have kept his top combo as well for all we know and just gave it a different animation. I don't play kensei. I'm not good enough lmao.
mongrelshadow14 I see what you mean, but until more info becomes present, I’m assuming that his top finisher is no longer unblockables but his side finishers are
I seriously hope Zerk's top finisher becomes an unblockable that can be soft feinted, not because I play him (cuz I don't, I'm barely rep 1 with him), I just want shaman players to taste their own bullshit. Also, as a kensei main, I'm hyped for his new moveset, it might or might not work, who *_KENSEI_* .
God I fucking hope so. Every time I go for the top heavy, more than half the ppl I play against don't react to it. They just put their guard up and like heh, I'll just block it . Ofc I feint it but that's not the point.
Lord Buttlington Yea I know what you're saying because I'm part of those that just blocks it, unless I'm orochi in which case I'll go for the deflect. If you're a zerk main then you better start praying to the gods that he does get an unblockable
Lord Buttlington I mean, I don’t main zerk, I have a couple reps in him, but the top heavy combo isn’t really meant to psych people out. It’s really for trading blows, considering it’s like 96 damage right? Meaning if you trade that with someone, you get the upper hand
Satirical Lad I mean u can trade with it if u see your opponent starts attacking, but only noobs do that. Most of the player base do nothing because they know they can block it or expect a feint. If they make it unblockbable, atleast then u can really force a parry attempt and punish accordingly.
I was hoping they would REWORK the heroes which means = giving them NEW attacks, moves. Change their playstyle.. changing the speed, damage (aramusha buff) or late mixups, is not really a rework. Conq will still only get damage with shield bashes, wich is rather boring after 1000 of them with rep 3 (lol). I know it's too early to say, they wont do anything else, but it doesn't look like what I was hoping for.
Conq doesn't look like he's using sb light attacks. Take that exact same animation conqs using, then act like he's just hitting the air like that, it's too slow and awkward. Do the same with warlord or valk and it's different. Hey, if he keeps Superior block, how would it sound if instead of getting a free gb after heavy block, what if that's replaced with Superior block priorities on his shield bashes?
I dont think that was a superior block on light. To me, that looked more like they got back his superior block on the shield and he just did a guaranteed light (?) afterwards.
Heh, don't get your hopes too high. Just be happy that we're finally getting a proper training room, almost a year after release! NB: Duel practise does not count. It's hilarious that that mode has gear stats turned on for duel practise.
Well fuck. Zerk can now from what ive seen whiff a light go into a top heavy abd ur saying it will be an unblockable? Or think it might be. Because a light top heavy takes like 3 and a half bard of health.. with an unblockable jesus christ
freeze I wasn’t sure if he could or not because I’ve heard of it before but never done it myself. I believe they will keep being able to feint heavys into lights from different sides for zerk, otherwise he will be receiving more of a nerf than a slight buff. Hopefully the faster light will stop those people that have late parry reaction times and manage to catch ur follow up light instead of the heavy
Davded lol rework, yes. Sucks? Not by your definition. He sucks in a way that he plays like bullshit. 50/50 shoulder bash should drain half the fucking stamina, cuz all I play against are wardens who spam shoulder bash into double light over and over again. U try to dodge fucking cancel it into gb and right back into the bullshit. Thank god assassin have side dash attacks to counter that shit.
freeze that's my exact point, when u say that it's not even 50/50 anymore. It's worse. The fact that a shoulder bash gives u the option of canceling it for a potential parry, going for a GB on the dodge, letting it go quickly for double light spam, or charging it makes it extremely bs. All the more reason to remove it or give it a huge stamina cost.
The Knightengale ok but did you know the crushing counter of the highlander doesn't work on the shaman zone and if someone block his second light gets a free gb?
Niktuono that only strengthens my point. Literally everything wrong with highlander is either stat or tech based. Such as that free GB on second light block and the fact that his offensive form is so vulnerable
I wish they do. Remove the bullshit 50/50, it's straight up retarded. Or atleast give a huge stamina cost so them bastards can only do it twice and then they OOS. Prevent the shit spammers from spreading their AIDS.
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At 3:18, if you check the damage and stamina tab, you can see that a chained light is now 15 on berserker (from 12) and a chained heavy is 25 (from 20).
That is a really nice buff, since now trading a light with berserkers armored side heavies actually gives a bigger profit, from the original 3/5/8 damage profit.
Because he's totally not op as is
As a fellow Berserker main, getting an unblockable it's like porn to me tbh
i was literally about to make a comment similar to this
Race to rep 50 let's see who's first.
I know man, he needed something that would make the opponents react really badly
He should get soft feints, also.
I wish orochi got one
Cant wait. Hope conqueror gets more loving. Thanks for the analysis freeze.
awww, he's still here. I missed your comments
I started working so i had less time :( Still been watching now and then though when I can. Nice to know you missed me :D
you keep making money my friend :)
From what I've seen it looks like conq is going to be worse after the rework, which is a shame I am a conq main and I was hoping nothing much would change. I was expecting a few changes like the GB after a block.
Conq someone they keep shitting on, just look at this " unintented " leak of his " rework " that stomped him to the death, and ubishit refuses to fix it, thats how mutch they " love " him
I main Zerker and noticed the same points you made in the video. What I didn’t notice was the speed and man there’s a difference. Great analysis on all 3 characters. Good stuff, Freeze
i wanted zerker's 2nd combo side heavy to be unblockable. Its going to take some whiffs or mind games to get to that 3rd swing. He also really needs heavy > heavy > light as a chain now
well now people will more likely go for the parry for the 2nd heavy to stop you from going to the unblockable finisher, so i think it gives good mixup potential with the way it seems in the vid
He still doesnt have this chain
They better show my boy Highlander some HUGE love
If Berserker's top finisher becomes an unblockable I'm curious about whether parrying it will make him go OOS. Raider and Shugoki's 50+ damage unblockables force exhaustion on parry currently, meaning if its parried the enemy gets a free OOS punish. I kind of hope Berserker doesnt follow this trend and his unblockable being parried wont force exhaustion, much like Kensei currently, as it would definitely promote a more aggressive combat by softening the punishes for attacking (no more of this trying to land a 55 damage attack automatically results in a 96 damage punish bullshit in a mirror-match).
Then again I believe were still getting those Parry changes with season 5, so who knows what might happen. If parries just end combos, drain stamina, and are required to stop unblockables then it would make sense to force exhaustion.
"Circus Combo finisher" is a great name for it. Ahah
Looks like i was close with my guesses to your analysis. Hopefully it works out, I'd hate for it to be in vain.
ya, even with what they showed, the end result might still be awful, awesome or everywhere inbetween
Actually for Kensei, what we see in the trailer is the normal Doom of the Kensei (Heavy x3) with a Side uninterruptable as a Chain Finisher.
What they added for Kensei in this trailer is the ability to do his soft feint but reversed.
We all know Kensei can do a Top Unblockable and soft feint it in to a Side Uninterruptable.
The move shown in the trailer is the reverse of that move.
Kensei can now do a Side Uninterruptabl and soft feint it in to a Top Unblockable
You’re right about 1 thing, He can now do an unblockable from the sides, but when he soft feints into a top heavy, it’ll turn into uninterruptable.
Again it’s basically a reverse soft feint with reverse properties, side gets unblockable and top gets uninterruptable
Hanz Get ze Flammenwerfer do you think its possible every chain finisher heavy no matter where its coming from will be unblockable unless its soft feinted because then it will become uninterruptible? Im a bit confused because I dont see the white uninterruptible indicator when he seems to soft feint side heavy into top.
Hate to break it to you, but I don’t think kenseis top heavy finisher is unblockable after the rework. You can see here that when he feints into the top heavy, the orange glow disappears before hitting the target. Plus, if you watch the entire trailer, there a small clip where a kensei helps centurion tank a raider, kensei does the animation of the top unblockable, but no glow, and raider simply blocks it, not parry, but actually blocks. They might leave the stats on the top heavy finisher, but from what I’ve seen, it’s no longer unblockable. If I’m correct, it’s around 3:30 of the trailer video talking about season 5.
Honey Badger The Llama possibly. But this isn’t where kensei lacks. Kensei lacks in opening up players. Fighting someone who turtles up, especially with warden or aramusha, is difficult for kensei. Any attack he throws can be parried, and his helm splitter which can lead directly into top unblockable can be easily partied by someone who fights kensei a lot.
Kensei's old top unblockable animation is now on the second heavy if you look at one of the further clips in the trailer.
How about they balance aramusha
Good stuff Freeze, I'm looking forward to these reworks, at the very least it'll give the comp community something to do for a while!
Did you see the sparks fly of shinobi when conq hit him with a light? I think conqs lights now inflict stuns
At 3.33 (in the trailer) look at Kenseis first attack. (It is very hard to see)
As zerk main, I am hyped as fuck!!! Nice video, I didn’t even notice the unblockable the first time
Conq's FBS into GB will be awesome! Hoping they add it so you hold GB for the Shield Bash and the Superior Block into lights will be very fun to pull off some sick combos with!
Correct me if I'm wrong but with the new parry changes lights are much safer so with Zerk and Conq looking like they will have light attacks this should help them be safe to throw out their attacks. If this is true then heroes like Highlander and Kensei will be much better at opening people up with unblockables and light counters. Looks like this might turn out to balance the game pretty nicely.
Just bear in mind that the parry changes we tested on the PTR may never come about. In fact, those specific changes are very unlikely to come about.
Yes definently, I think I heard that's one of the changes coming in is parry changes so this is just speculation but based on the heroes they are changing and highlander I think that is the direction headed.
I hope that the new practice mode gives frame data, or I guess in this case millisecond data lol, same thing
I don't think it will, honestly, though it's stil easy to do as long as you have Sony Vegas or any other software that'd allow you to do it.
I doubt it too, unfortunately. I don't have any software to test it so I'm hoping they'll have it.
One of the things i'm super happy about is the arena lab, allowing to have direct access to attacks dmg and stamina costs/dmg ! Good improvement in terms of game knowledge, and training. Practice optimal punishes on some very rare occasions looks exciting for example.
And regarding Conq's rework : i was wondering if they didn't allign with the other shield heroes in terms of sup. block : maybe the all block stance now gives sup block, like WL and Valk, and gives access to more options. The sup block light is also such a good tool to mind game regarding feint into gb gameplay!
Love the channel and all your videos
additional thing on zerk i noticed, the side combo Heavy now deals 25 dmg instead of 20, it's still kinda weak for trading and chip purposes, but it's still something better than a pathetic 20 dmg heavy
3:06 for the dmg values
It looks like conqueror's superior block light isn't as you described, more like his previous free gb after heavy block; conqueror blocks, gets a light attack
hope that we can have free battle in a arena with audience
Do you think they've gotten rid of beserkers hyper armour?
I think conq can now chain a light and a heavy together because he used he’s full guard to faint the second attack after the superior light
MOAB THE II conq can feint light attacks as well
What do you think about the Arena Mode Freeze?
great concept. let's hope it delivers.
Conqueror gets a stunning light off of a heavy attack it seems like.
Great as always
It looks like the conquer can go into a heavy router after a light, instead of doing two lights.
If zerkers top heavy is unblockable it’s gonna be strong af
Buff ma class!!
As a small quibble, the new move they showed for Conqueror isn't a Superior Block Light. It's a Full Block > Blocked Attack > Light Counterattack. Warlord has something similar (he also can headbutt off a block, or throw a heavy from full block stance).
good thing the stance widget is on so we can tell :(
thx ubi
I want to join in on this discussion, on one side or the other...
but I can't seem to see Conq going into full block or starting a light.. Who knows, maybe it'll be something magical and fresh
Good thing fullblock is useless, cause he cant cgb out of it :/
Saint Landwalker yeah actually, I went back to the first frame of the slow Mo clip and I've been smashing Conq lately, that's 100% his full block animation, he's slightly leaned in and his shield isn't in a noticeably left/right/top direction.
Definitely a full block move, good spot.
It's definitely just in front of him rather, than hugged to his right side. The shield, I mean.
kensei's top unblockable seems to be gone. as later in the trailer he seems to do it from sprinting at a raider and the raider blocks it.
mongrelshadow14 we’re the only two that notice this. If you play kensei, how do you feel about that?
well we only assume it's gone because the animation we see later in the video. they could have kept his top combo as well for all we know and just gave it a different animation. I don't play kensei. I'm not good enough lmao.
mongrelshadow14 I see what you mean, but until more info becomes present, I’m assuming that his top finisher is no longer unblockables but his side finishers are
yeah I am as well. Though I hope not because having 2 seperate mix ups (side ones and top one) would really make his game better.
That's not unblockable. He didn't glow during the animation. It's likely that the Raider that was being practiced on had their zone interrupted.
uninteruptible isn't glowing either.
it's probably just because of the UI settings they use when recording that stuff.
Idk if this is for video purposes but zerk doesn't have armor anymore on heavy finisher.
you also dont see the unblockable flames...
so here's hopin they didn't remove the uninteruptible stance
Yeah
I seriously hope Zerk's top finisher becomes an unblockable that can be soft feinted, not because I play him (cuz I don't, I'm barely rep 1 with him), I just want shaman players to taste their own bullshit. Also, as a kensei main, I'm hyped for his new moveset, it might or might not work, who *_KENSEI_* .
Christian Sosa “I just want shaman players to taste their own bullshit” beautifully said
God I fucking hope so. Every time I go for the top heavy, more than half the ppl I play against don't react to it. They just put their guard up and like heh, I'll just block it . Ofc I feint it but that's not the point.
Lord Buttlington Yea I know what you're saying because I'm part of those that just blocks it, unless I'm orochi in which case I'll go for the deflect. If you're a zerk main then you better start praying to the gods that he does get an unblockable
Lord Buttlington I mean, I don’t main zerk, I have a couple reps in him, but the top heavy combo isn’t really meant to psych people out. It’s really for trading blows, considering it’s like 96 damage right? Meaning if you trade that with someone, you get the upper hand
Satirical Lad I mean u can trade with it if u see your opponent starts attacking, but only noobs do that. Most of the player base do nothing because they know they can block it or expect a feint. If they make it unblockbable, atleast then u can really force a parry attempt and punish accordingly.
I was hoping they would REWORK the heroes which means = giving them NEW attacks, moves. Change their playstyle.. changing the speed, damage (aramusha buff) or late mixups, is not really a rework. Conq will still only get damage with shield bashes, wich is rather boring after 1000 of them with rep 3 (lol). I know it's too early to say, they wont do anything else, but it doesn't look like what I was hoping for.
They only showed snippets of the reworks Atleast wait before coming to a conclusion.
Conq doesn't look like he's using sb light attacks. Take that exact same animation conqs using, then act like he's just hitting the air like that, it's too slow and awkward. Do the same with warlord or valk and it's different. Hey, if he keeps Superior block, how would it sound if instead of getting a free gb after heavy block, what if that's replaced with Superior block priorities on his shield bashes?
Slipnfall well fancy seeing you here man (it’s king from iFunny)
The Knightengale frick who are you
The Knightengale firck forck hey dude check my liked vids for some crap shite posting
I dont think that was a superior block on light. To me, that looked more like they got back his superior block on the shield and he just did a guaranteed light (?) afterwards.
Can't wait
Can warden get a rework please
Maybe ıts just raiders fury but she stops it with her attack hard to tell imo
Heh, don't get your hopes too high. Just be happy that we're finally getting a proper training room, almost a year after release!
NB: Duel practise does not count. It's hilarious that that mode has gear stats turned on for duel practise.
i shall now become god with kensei
Looks like I'll be waiting a bit longer for Warden "rework", I'll admit, I'm afraid he and LB might fall behind until their time comes
Maybe conqs full gaurd will be like aramusha a blade blockade
I NEVA FREEZE
That's a heavy so we're fucked
Well fuck. Zerk can now from what ive seen whiff a light go into a top heavy abd ur saying it will be an unblockable? Or think it might be. Because a light top heavy takes like 3 and a half bard of health.. with an unblockable jesus christ
*Reinstalling game
why tf is warden not getting a rework?!
They said that they want to evantually rework every launch character.
I hope orochi gets a rework...
Ghost why?
Cuz his moves are easy to read
Ghost then feint
I do
Or he can feint he’s lights and they’re slower now
you could always feint lights with full block stance :)
freeze I wasn’t sure if he could or not because I’ve heard of it before but never done it myself. I believe they will keep being able to feint heavys into lights from different sides for zerk, otherwise he will be receiving more of a nerf than a slight buff. Hopefully the faster light will stop those people that have late parry reaction times and manage to catch ur follow up light instead of the heavy
Make the conq great again
Any orochi mains? ☹️
Almost rep 20, not so much...but played him since beta
We need a buff
Great now we can add berserker to the list of heroes that skip fps
I hope we get a warden rework in season 6 cuz he sucks rn
Davded lol rework, yes. Sucks? Not by your definition. He sucks in a way that he plays like bullshit. 50/50 shoulder bash should drain half the fucking stamina, cuz all I play against are wardens who spam shoulder bash into double light over and over again. U try to dodge fucking cancel it into gb and right back into the bullshit. Thank god assassin have side dash attacks to counter that shit.
he doesn't have a 50/50 and neither do side dash attacks counter his shoulder bash.
good wardens will simply cancel the SB and parry the dodge attack.
freeze that's my exact point, when u say that it's not even 50/50 anymore. It's worse. The fact that a shoulder bash gives u the option of canceling it for a potential parry, going for a GB on the dodge, letting it go quickly for double light spam, or charging it makes it extremely bs. All the more reason to remove it or give it a huge stamina cost.
Still no sign of a highlander buff
Niktuono he isn't getting a rework. He is just getting some stat changes and probably some speed changes
Charlie that so sad highlander will be stuck in no tier
Niktuono that’s all highlander needs tho, he doesn’t need new moves he just needs better stats and speed
The Knightengale ok but did you know the crushing counter of the highlander doesn't work on the shaman zone and if someone block his second light gets a free gb?
Niktuono that only strengthens my point. Literally everything wrong with highlander is either stat or tech based. Such as that free GB on second light block and the fact that his offensive form is so vulnerable
funny how wrong he was
(I don't claim to have had more accurate expectations)
Second
I'm so done with this game
Wish they re-worked Warden. Got like 4 moves.
all the tools
Doesn't need one.
I wish they do. Remove the bullshit 50/50, it's straight up retarded. Or atleast give a huge stamina cost so them bastards can only do it twice and then they OOS. Prevent the shit spammers from spreading their AIDS.