Tier 1 feat: You can self revive in any strategic location you want in a short amount of time Tier 4 feat: self revive that gets you up immediately at half health without caring if it is strategic only once. Yeah, that makes sense
Self Revive is instant and works while breaking, this is not and presumably doesn’t. You also revive at less health if you do so immediately Self revive does definitely need buffs though
@@thevoicej2511Yeah. Either I frames upon wake-up or instant control upon wake-up cause in the wrong place at the wrong time, you get on your feet only to be slapped right off them again
Moveset still looked cool. A bit disappointed with another feintable bash and with the almost useless leaping heavy, prowling stance deserved better imo, but all of the rest isn't looking bad. I just hope he won't be able to chain on whiff after the chained bash.
i mean... what did you expect? i dont think the devs have the balls to invent a new mechanic again, last time they did was with nuxia's traps and it was (or still is? dunno i dont play the game anymore) a flop. its not something that will pull me back thats for certain.
Testing other characters pinning moves with Ocelotl's pinning move should be interesting. (Ie. Medjay staff bash into Ocelotl pin), there are potentials to have crazy damage with it
I'm guessing that the hidden stance heavy is intended to be a roll catcher. It's weird that they decided to make it a hidden stance move instead of a dodge heavy; it makes that part of his kit seem anemic and perfunctory.
I guess it’s a way to incentivize using it over a dodge attack? Better chains since the light doesn’t chain to unblockable, follow up light would end chain so really only bash. Meanwhile if you Hunter stance a attack and then throw the heavy, you get a Undodgeable chain light due to hit stun, a bash mix, or the unblockable heavy.
that's just like, your opinion man. And I don't see how it is LESS anemic for an attack to come out of a "spring back" stance which gives it more oomph.
As one of the four Nuxia mains, I'm quite alright with the caltrops nerf, it is deserved. What I'm not alright with is her getting just that. Her "high damage" would only be a counter-argument only if her shit actually worked. You mentioned a while back that "the moment nuxi becomes playable, caltrops need nerfs", and I can see Ubi went really proactive here. Random attacks, emotes, profundes, chat messages, etc. can still OS or interrupt her, and her T4 gimmicky-ass feat got nerfed just because some hoe got a thousand-times better version for a T1, that was overtuned as hell. Anyone in charge for Nuxia's changes over the years is being seriously overpaid.
Honestly, the fact that they think Nuxia is fine just because her trap indicator changes catch more people at low tiers tells you all you need to know about her "balance" state. They will never properly rework her. It's just something we gotta accept at this point tbh.
During the stream while the enemy Ocelotl was dead it SOUNDED like there was an audio cue that he was near, seperate from the reviving sound, so I'm assuming that will be the case so it will be possible to assume he's near, just very subtle and you have to keep an ear out for it.
So ocelotl's weird hidden stance heavy can pin. Even if short, they said in the stream that the idea is you enter the stance on the outside of a gank or teamfight to reposition, find an opening, and use the attack. Which then locks them into an animation, and so on and so forth
I have 2 things ive noticed so far. 1) i think the T1 feat will need a little bit of tweaking such as increasing distance needed from enemies to select respawn but i like the concept. The fact that the heal speed is very low and now eliminates the option for the 10 second respawn, plus the ability to respawn anywhere will certainly change the dynamic of the game but i think it could be refreshing. 2) finisher bash i think is going to be one of the more broken features. If i am correct, i believe that a heavy punish could be followed up with neutural bash to finisher bash which would be a 32 damage HEAVY parry punish. I may be wrong and the hit stun from the netural bash may not guarantee the followup bash but it will likely require a good read to anticipate it (similar to getting a shaman bite after a heavy parry, one of my favorite things to do being a shaman main - its not guaranteed but if they dont make the read its (almost) unavoidable). Looking forward to your followup video Freeze once the hero is released. Always great info coming from you
@@Quillsword In my experience, he's not a regular pick even in 4v4s. I see him on occasion but not nearly enough to think he's a must pick for team modes.
@demonwolf5702 in regular matchmaking, he isn't, but in higher levels, he is a much better pick because he just does everything needed in a 4's mode with little downsides
@@Quillsword The Matchmaking is all over the place though so I get placed with people from 40 overall Reps to 800+ (I have over 600 myself) and I still don't see him too often. He's definitely dangerous in team fights but honestly I'm more afraid of teammates feeding revenge than getting hit by his externals since most characters have a bash and can interrupt.
The stance heavy they said was built as a peeltool. Say a scenario where your team is groupfighting on mid and you gotta cover for your mate going to heal. It pins so gives mates a better chance to get away than what a normal dodge attk would do
Medjay doesn’t need a nerf. Pirate desperately needs a buff. I still don’t understand why they ever removed the soft feint gb on the forward dodge unblockable.
That hidden stance attack seems only useful for a surprise attack during ganks, it could be a nice set up for bleeding heroes but even then it's usefulness is questionable
I may have misheard JC if he mentioned that the prowling stance may have some s while you enter it, but if that is the case then I could see this move being used like shaman's backwards heavy/bash move to dodge attacks, which honestly I am in favor of since without that aspect I see limited use for this move, considering he still has a foward, possibly, dodge light attack to catch rollers or people far away in a team fight.
You will still have double the frames you would have on ps4 pro, also you now don't have the near 100ms input delay the ps4 has. Every other game that has option for 120fps is also available for you on ps5 if you play those games, so still a W for you 👍
For everyone saying that the tier 1 is not busted does not run t4 auto-revive. I run auto-rez on warmommy and it almost always guarantees a revenge kill. Being able to stand up immediately after losing a close fight and oneshotting the guy that killed you happens pretty much every time it procs and has actually snatched victory more times than you would think when both teams are breaking. I chuckle when it happens because it's so consistent. The fact that he can respawn wherever even with a small amount of health, his pounce attack distance, and his defense debuff you get when you kill him means he is most likely gonna revenge murder you 90% of the time. Don't even get me started on the stall potential on points. You just hang out and block points for as long as you can, probably get revenge and stall even longer, die, and spawn right back near the point rinse and repeat.
Freeze, do you plan to make another deep study about PC vs consoles since Performance mode is there ? I am very curious about what are the true differences today.
I just get the feeling that the cent buff is gonna back fire. He's definitely going to get dodge attacked into a heavy and lose tbe trade because of the armor or even worse he will eat the dodge attack and then they recovery cancel and dodge again for a gb
The only indicator that this hero has when he comes out of the ghost mode is a sound que so far and when he goes into his stance there are i frames so itll be used how nobus is used when double dodging level 3 bash, dodge then stance or vice-versa. It is kinda weird how there is only 1 move you can do and i see no useful reason why he moves faster, just seems like a just for fun thing
@shalashaskaseven4841 so it could be decent in a 1v scenario if that's the case as a free 22 dmg if it works that way. I'm mostly a duelist, so I'm just trying to gage his power there.
@@snowdrifter6187 Depending on recovery of the move. Could punish something like a warden bash but then be blocked on a Medjay bash. Either way as a heavy it’s chain options are better than a dodge light
good to know that my game sense is still correct to see how fuckin busted the t1 is. last time they gave a character a feat this strong was back with warmonger t1 that minions could proc. honestly just switch t3 with t1 and its a bit better but still atleast a ghostly outline would be great to see where the ocelot is going.
Does anyone know if I’ll notice a difference with the performance mode update using a regular 120hz HDMI 2.0 monitor or will I need one that supports vrr on PS5? Don’t really want to spend £500 on a new monitor.
that world of warcraft corpse running has no right to be a t1 feat with little to no trade offs; that thing has the potential to ruin (if there too many ocelotl) or drastically change the outcome of a last stand in a breach match even as a t4 feat the feat is rlly cool as a concept but a few drawbacks can be added to balance the feat such as no health regeneration while in that stance (minimum hp) / the players can slightly see the transparent ghost while in proximity / simply add a decently long cool down since its a t1 feat (much like t4 auto revive feat) other than that, i actually like the hero, character design and armors are on point, gg devs
It would be nice if Ocelotl had undodgeable chain heavies or something, make it easier to flow into an unblockable mixup. Otherwise, he’ll have the same problem as Medjay’s axe stance where he can’t easily go from bash mixups to unblockable mixups. At least the damage on his bashes are good though. I think Ocelotl will be a lot more bash-focused unless they add more to the parts of his kit that seem lackluster (ie his hidden stance).
His hidden stance acting like a Sifu does chain into the unblockable. It’s a cool incentive. A more situational defensive option, but gives better chain options than using a dodge attack.
The Hunters stance heavy is supposed to be used as a means to enter and engage team fights or as a pin for ganks. The hunters stance entry also has i-frames. T1 is completely invisible to enemies, but I wonder if a Mythbusters video can be done to see what _can_ be seen by the enemy. (Mood effects, emote props, etc.) T2 is a passive 'Marked for Death' that rewards you for dying to someone. (Meaning last laugh probably won't ever be touched) T3 is a worse 'Bloodlust,' trading defense for running speed. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but at 15 seconds for the T3 duration, isn't it also a shorter duration than Bloodlust?) T4 will definitely remind you of OG Shinobi but even worse, as it's an _undetectable_ (you have to see the player before they use it, as the incoming attack alert ❗️ doesn't pop up) ranged GB that does damage and bleed, and you can't counter GB. (Get over here!) Ubisoft would be rubbing it in our faces if they allowed us to make an MK-Scorpion or Scorpion-based armor.
We’ll see how the hidden stance works for him, if you can cancel quick enough to gb or throw something else i can see it working. The heavy from the hidden stance looking kinda weak but we’ll see.
I hope it can at least be used as some kind of roll catcher. Honestly depends on how fast the heavy can be done upon entering the stance. Would be nice if it is has an instant activation like Kyoshins full block moves for example.
We'll have to see about his predator stance, but it really does seem useless, even for jumping in for an off screen gank. I wonder if making making it unblockable would make it too overpowered.
@@galaxyduck3343 wow it's like they said it's meant as a ganking tool! For jumping the enemy in a team fight when they don't see you! Not meant for duels and even said it's trash for duels!
I would love to see how they decide what to nerf or buff cause imo we have way bigger feats and characters to look at Jorm slam gets nerfed makes no sense we still have a feat in the game that completely defies and breaks the revenge mechanic (oath breaker) now we get ocelotl with an insane tier 1 and 4 smh
I don't really believe the tier 1 feat will be overpowered, simply because of how long it takes to gain health in that mode you're in. Yes, back-cap potential or surprise attacks are there, but if everyone on the team is at relatively good health there's no chance to surprise someone by respawning quickly so the Ocelotl is forced to wait to get health back, and that takes FOREVER. I also think the average player will vastly overestimate their abilities, go in with low health and then get clapped a lot. Possibly with something like Javelin, which I assume this character will have, the potential to pick up quick kills might be there, but that's only if the stars align and there's a low health enemy, you are able to respawn at the right time, your Javelin or last feat is off cooldown, you haven't been executed, you're in the right position and nobody else is already killing the enemy you are trying to surprise. In a lot of cases I see people using this either badly and being demolished OR trying to play it safe and having their team be in an unnecessary 3v4 for 20 extra seconds, which can be a huge deal because any relatively smart team will team-fight with the Ocelotl in mind and once he does show up to help he's still only at half health and not a huge asset to the fight. Especially if he respawns quickly to finish a kill but instantly eats a longbow esque feat. I'm relatively optimistic, but maybe I am also just flat out wrong. I guess we'll see starting next week. Definitely excited to see how the feat plays out, but I feel like the community is only thinking of one side of the feat when there is clearly a massive drawback to using it. Being unable to turn it off is also a huge deal, nobody wants to spawn at 30 health so you're looking at an extra respawn timer of 10 seconds at the least assuming you're not an absolute God at this game, and even then it's a huge gamble every time unless you heal up first, which also wastes time.
Feel like the stance needed something else, only 1 option out of it is kind of lackluster. Would've liked him to have a riposte that does bleed or something like pre rework Shino
Would be cool if he gained some kind of deflect. Cant block in stance but can dodge. Imagine a superior block dodge that lets him go into that neck slice move when you deflect.. Would be cool.
@@WhatIsLove170 It looks like it’s the same speed. Dodge forward heavies are often time 600 ms but take longer as usually you have a minimum time into a dodge before it can be inputted. This has no such restriction.
Medjay needs a REWORK, redo all his moves and make him unique the stances had a potential but there's no way they're keeping the copypasted shaolin/zerk moves while they showed us the budget they gave ocelotl on his animations and etc
Tbh the 1st and 4th feats are no broken or OP first the tier 1 yes you can run around the map picking a spawn point and you may think "oh well the aztec is just gonna backcap" then by that point he has no health and most likely has two enemies coming right towards him while he hasn't even capped the point, and tbh I see the 1st feat as a "Revenge kill" if anything like you follow the guy who killed you heal up the surprise him, also when he spawns back in he screams so loud just listen to the stream when he spawns back in. Now the tier 4, yes I does bleed and good amount of damage but it's a tier 4 and you can only hook one person Honestly medjays axe throw is alot better because with the Aztec you have to throw the hook, pull him and then you guard break then throw a heavy by that time either your teammate would've hit the aztec with 3 heavies by this point the major thing its only for one person, highlanders spear storm can wipe out a entire team at full health and it stun locks you so if you get caught your dead and also fire flask (no explanation needed) In my opinion his feats are not really super busted and at the end of the day we have to see them in action to judge
This all would be nice if I could actually play the game. I've deleted and reinstalled the game twice, and everytime I try to play I get error 7-0000004 and kicked back to the title. Don't know what to do. Edit: I have since, rebuilt my database, cleared my gallery of unnecessary crap, resety WiFi a few times, and tried to reinstall the game too, and nothing has worked.
You've probably tried this already but look for any and all info regarding that exact error code online. Usually there's at least a couple dozen people with the same problem as you and so many possible fixes that one of them will do the job. Good luck!
Ahh, dear little Ocelotte. Where have you gone? Are you hiding from me? Come out, come out, don't be afraid. You were born a child of dragons, what could you possibly fear? Now, now, show yourself, Ocelotte. My dear, little Ocelotte. Well, we know where he went guys, dark souls 3 for honor cross over confirmed
So true they should add the Abyss Watchers as a single character who's Tier just spawns unlimited bots of the Abyss Watcher with randomised aggression.
i dont see the T1 feat as broken. yes you can respawn anywhere, but to return to full health you have to be waiting at least 30-40 seconds. you could respawn in 9 seconds but with fart of health.
God I'd love if you could use the death whistle emote as a spectre and live players hear it. That would out-weigh the busted factor for me by being fun 😂
Ocelotl seem like a nice addition to the game. I won't even try to use the term balanced since it's too sensitive in this community, but he seems alright. At least he don't have dodge recoveries so there is that. His t1 seems legit broken, but at the same time I thought about it and the fact that he only revive at 25% hp at normal respawn rate is quite alright. Once I was angry at a teammates and I just stayed dead for as long as i could and to be honest, having one player less that is waiting for his life to go up even a few seconds, is a big letdown. The tactical applications are insane, but it can still be tuned later eh. Let me remind you all that we were perfectly fine with old smoke bomb not so long ago. How annoying is Ocelotl t1 really ?
Medjay doesnt need a nerf 😂 hes already not that great, I do agree the hammer slam didnt need a nerf, the fully charged punch for cent could be fixed easily.. The fact that people can dodge level 1 then dodge for level 3 is really stupid. The caltrops nerf is fine except for it almost being as long as fire flask for cool down. It didnt need to be that long. (I am sorry for any Nuxia Mains out there)
For the feat 1, there is a small ui diamond thingy above your head when a fantom Ocelotl is near you. The devs didn't talk about it but i'm 99% sure it's that.
I was very alright with the respawn feat because of the slow heal but you’re right and I didn’t think about it, but there should be some very subtle hints as to where the player might go, rather than just predicting it entirely
They could give it a very slight black smoke effect around him when he's invisible. Not one that would make it super obvious, but if you look for it, you'll see it
Jorms hammer slam bing nerfed to 26 from 30 is dumb but cent can get 30 on his his pin that don't seem fair to me. Its abit like when gyphon had his kick's heavy nerf to 24 it was uncalled for it should be 28 not 24 but hl can get 30 damage off his kick
It's because jormungandr doesn't have to put in any work to get that 30 damage. Cent has a shitty character bash that takes double to time to land. Highlanders kick isn't feintable and you can just dodge attack his whole mix up which puts him low stam.
@@ezhno7137 dude thats a lie honesly jorms bash sucks still but his nerf was uncalled for plus the kick i was saying was gryphon's kick damage being nerfed was uncalled for aswel as you can easily dodge both his and hl kicks
@@ezhno7137yea no jorms bash is easily predictable most jorms feint it a couple times in order to catch the opponent off guard same with cent he can use a fast bash after a quick light a few times so that the opponent dodges later on and gets hit by the full bash, oh but lets not nerf cents dmg lets infact give him a buff 🤡
No dodge attacks, if they gave him a dodge attack and the stance had dash attacks like shaman, aka all sides, this could be shaman 2.0 just no bite. (tho nothing will replace my shaman, best char, cant change my mind (by best, i mean most fun)
He's got like 4 attacks, what's the point in simple moveset heroes. They're always the ones who go stale the fastest, shaolin always feels fresh to play because you have so much you can do.
I like the hero. For a new addition, he seems quite balanced compared to other heroes when introduced. Loved the 1st feat. I am just waiting to see if he is GB vulnerable after whiffed bashes and if you can counter-GB the 4th feat.
Honestly, seeing how much unfair shit For Honor's been having, I'm kinda numb to that tier 4. The TIER 1 however, and I repeat, TIER FUCKING 1, is gonna be a complete pain in the ass
What did nuxia even deserve to get hit with a neft lol I feel like 90 sec for that feat is to long like it can literally kill your teammates and the enemy feel like 50 to 60 would be fine
heroes of the storm has a hero who doesnt get sent back to the respawn room when he dies & chooses where he respawns. it breaks the game. in modes where spawn times are around 10s they had to just disable him entirely -- hey guess how long respawns in for honor are so cool that we're importing that to For Honor. i look forward to complaining about it for 3 years until they just remove the feat from the game seriously it feels like this character is some new dev's first design. oh wow a triple bash chain so you can fight someone without ever giving them something to block/parry. they went "oh wouldnt it be cool if you could attack people far away suddenly or if theyre rolling" & didnt realize roll catchers are a thing. & then when trying to come up w a gimmick they pulled a Musk & went "what if this character was excempt from the repawn mechanics" without realizing THEY WORK LIKE THAT FOR A REASON
T1 is really trowing the strategic aspect of the game down the drain. But I saw many comments which were excited for this.. We'll see. Also, single pick when?
I feel like yall have ptsd from shinobii honestly dont think theres a difference between his teir 4 projectile and Valk throwing her spear or Glad throwing his trident or Medjay throwing his axes exc remember yall shinobi had that in his basic fighting kit and it was a normal attack what this hero has is a feat yes it takes similarities from him but they aint the same thing theres a reason why its a tier 4 and look closer its treated as a bash so there will be an indicator just dodge it like any other throwable im not saying itll be easy but give it a chance i dont even play dominion i like 1v1/2v2 better so I expect Dominion to have these gimmicks i still feel FH should follow the 1v1 path and stop the whole war thing its to hard to balance fr when they have to make a whole new fighting style they making it harder on themselves fr
Nothing hurts more then seeing your hammer boy nerfed but even worse when nuxias only reliable tool is nerfed lol and HURTS EVEN MORE WHEN THERES NO MEDJAY NERF CMOOOON.
The amount of time it takes to get all health back is probably equivalent to actually properly respawning and going to the desired location anyways. After you kill him you’ll just need to have decent coordination or just go back to home point. Which is what most people do after a fight anyways.
Tier 1 isn't really busted. If it is taking almost 1 minute to heal up while your playing Casper, your team could be down multiple players(especially as Ocelotl) the enemy team could easily take over the map under 1 minute
@@fkkfreezeThat's true, and also what makes the Tier 1 balanced. You choose to repawn quicker, but risk getting killed much easier, especially if out in the open
Someone hasn't played with tier 4 self revive at all and one shot their previous attack in game and it shows in thinking this tier one for Ocelotal is somehow not just an objectively better version than that lol. An Ocelotal player will not be away from teammates to abuse this feat, so you will never get an execution on him and he will always wait to respawn at the last second to one shot you as you execute the other teammate after he dies. It's so predictable seeing how this will be unbalanced its not even funny.
i’m hoping stance dodging an attack then using the heavy to run away to a different guy in a teamfight will work
You just gave purpose to a seemingly useless attack
will u be able to dodge though since you have to pull back on the stick to stay in the stance ?
@@Skdntplaygoing into the stance has a few s, which would lead to "dodging" an attack like jj sifu poise or Nobu hidden stance.
The opponent when they chain light or use a chain heavy with good tracking:
@@douk990 That was it's entire purpose, it's not meant to be used much in 1v1s.
Tier 1 feat: You can self revive in any strategic location you want in a short amount of time
Tier 4 feat: self revive that gets you up immediately at half health without caring if it is strategic only once.
Yeah, that makes sense
Yeah they tried to describe how it's totally got downsides and I'm not convinced it's not just a dramatically better version of self revive
i forgot that t4 even existed. wow really puts this into perspective lmao
Self Revive is instant and works while breaking, this is not and presumably doesn’t. You also revive at less health if you do so immediately
Self revive does definitely need buffs though
@@thevoicej2511Yeah. Either I frames upon wake-up or instant control upon wake-up cause in the wrong place at the wrong time, you get on your feet only to be slapped right off them again
Yo dude you're just like me! I also love leaving out critical information to prove my point!
“Nice, a new character! I wonder what interesting kit they’ll design to bring people back into the game?”
The moveset:
Moveset still looked cool.
A bit disappointed with another feintable bash and with the almost useless leaping heavy, prowling stance deserved better imo, but all of the rest isn't looking bad.
I just hope he won't be able to chain on whiff after the chained bash.
I mean at this point there's like 4 different heroes in the game but we just have a bunch of skins for them lmao
i mean... what did you expect? i dont think the devs have the balls to invent a new mechanic again, last time they did was with nuxia's traps and it was (or still is? dunno i dont play the game anymore) a flop.
its not something that will pull me back thats for certain.
@@deusvult6938no the last new mechanic was black priors bulwark which was 1000x better than nuxias
To be fair everyone was complaining about how aferra had everything so I suppose they tune down this one a bit
Testing other characters pinning moves with Ocelotl's pinning move should be interesting. (Ie. Medjay staff bash into Ocelotl pin), there are potentials to have crazy damage with it
Didn’t think about that, wow
This undeserved attack on the nuxia nation will not go unanswered!! 😤 😠 Caltrops will reign supreme again.
ALL HAIL CALTROPS
Love that this is the first thing i see after having to explain to someone why the Caltrops nerf was indeed deserved
ALL HAIL CALTROPS
It's funny how they nerfed the one thing keeping her relevant into the ground but still refuse to actually rework her lol. It's such a bad joke.
@@robertsteiner4696 isn’t it! the only rework they have done is her sone traps and have said everything is all good now
I'm guessing that the hidden stance heavy is intended to be a roll catcher. It's weird that they decided to make it a hidden stance move instead of a dodge heavy; it makes that part of his kit seem anemic and perfunctory.
I guess it’s a way to incentivize using it over a dodge attack?
Better chains since the light doesn’t chain to unblockable, follow up light would end chain so really only bash.
Meanwhile if you Hunter stance a attack and then throw the heavy, you get a Undodgeable chain light due to hit stun, a bash mix, or the unblockable heavy.
They say IN THE WARRIORS DEN that his stance heavy is meant to be a peel for team fights.
that's just like, your opinion man. And I don't see how it is LESS anemic for an attack to come out of a "spring back" stance which gives it more oomph.
As one of the four Nuxia mains, I'm quite alright with the caltrops nerf, it is deserved.
What I'm not alright with is her getting just that. Her "high damage" would only be a counter-argument only if her shit actually worked.
You mentioned a while back that "the moment nuxi becomes playable, caltrops need nerfs", and I can see Ubi went really proactive here.
Random attacks, emotes, profundes, chat messages, etc. can still OS or interrupt her, and her T4 gimmicky-ass feat got nerfed just because some hoe got a thousand-times better version for a T1, that was overtuned as hell.
Anyone in charge for Nuxia's changes over the years is being seriously overpaid.
Honestly, the fact that they think Nuxia is fine just because her trap indicator changes catch more people at low tiers tells you all you need to know about her "balance" state. They will never properly rework her. It's just something we gotta accept at this point tbh.
During the stream while the enemy Ocelotl was dead it SOUNDED like there was an audio cue that he was near, seperate from the reviving sound, so I'm assuming that will be the case so it will be possible to assume he's near, just very subtle and you have to keep an ear out for it.
So ocelotl's weird hidden stance heavy can pin. Even if short, they said in the stream that the idea is you enter the stance on the outside of a gank or teamfight to reposition, find an opening, and use the attack. Which then locks them into an animation, and so on and so forth
I have 2 things ive noticed so far. 1) i think the T1 feat will need a little bit of tweaking such as increasing distance needed from enemies to select respawn but i like the concept. The fact that the heal speed is very low and now eliminates the option for the 10 second respawn, plus the ability to respawn anywhere will certainly change the dynamic of the game but i think it could be refreshing. 2) finisher bash i think is going to be one of the more broken features. If i am correct, i believe that a heavy punish could be followed up with neutural bash to finisher bash which would be a 32 damage HEAVY parry punish. I may be wrong and the hit stun from the netural bash may not guarantee the followup bash but it will likely require a good read to anticipate it (similar to getting a shaman bite after a heavy parry, one of my favorite things to do being a shaman main - its not guaranteed but if they dont make the read its (almost) unavoidable). Looking forward to your followup video Freeze once the hero is released. Always great info coming from you
i think they specifically said that the finisher bash isn't confirmed. They definitely implied it.
They said the second bash needs a read, they themselves could not react to it. (Second bash is 500ms bash gang)
Imo the stance is a missed opportunity. Also the fact that he has no bleed damage other tham the feat.
We need less bleeds in the game not more...
@@mrgamerandfriends5793 the aztecs weapons are literally designed for small cuts.
Damn, Medjay really has Freeze heated, lol!
I'm honestly so surprised he didn't get nerfed in this patch with the amount of pros saying he needs one
@@Quillsword In my experience, he's not a regular pick even in 4v4s. I see him on occasion but not nearly enough to think he's a must pick for team modes.
@demonwolf5702 in regular matchmaking, he isn't, but in higher levels, he is a much better pick because he just does everything needed in a 4's mode with little downsides
@@Quillsword The Matchmaking is all over the place though so I get placed with people from 40 overall Reps to 800+ (I have over 600 myself) and I still don't see him too often. He's definitely dangerous in team fights but honestly I'm more afraid of teammates feeding revenge than getting hit by his externals since most characters have a bash and can interrupt.
The stance heavy they said was built as a peeltool. Say a scenario where your team is groupfighting on mid and you gotta cover for your mate going to heal. It pins so gives mates a better chance to get away than what a normal dodge attk would do
ye, but it's 3x slower than a forward dodge attack :(
No medjay nerf no pirate buff.
He needs a change on his pin move since they can do it over and over again with a teammate
Fuck u pirate need to be deleted it's visually annoying
Pirate don’t need a buff😂😂😂
Medjay doesn’t need a nerf. Pirate desperately needs a buff. I still don’t understand why they ever removed the soft feint gb on the forward dodge unblockable.
Duhh
That hidden stance attack seems only useful for a surprise attack during ganks, it could be a nice set up for bleeding heroes but even then it's usefulness is questionable
That's exactly what they said in the stream, they also mentioned it was not intended for 1v1s
So excited about ocelotls double bash gang potential, cause its gonna be wild if his stans gonna work like shinobi, its gonna be 100to0 gang i believe
This guys T1 is going to be absolutely bonkers, cant wait
the leap seems to be a pin move aswell probably they're going for a storm rush variation to allow more infinite ganks
I may have misheard JC if he mentioned that the prowling stance may have some s while you enter it, but if that is the case then I could see this move being used like shaman's backwards heavy/bash move to dodge attacks, which honestly I am in favor of since without that aspect I see limited use for this move, considering he still has a foward, possibly, dodge light attack to catch rollers or people far away in a team fight.
Oh yea right, i think it’s i frames when doing the heavy, he could definitely use that part to avoid situations and position quickly
They specifically mention it was not intended nor good for 1v1s, but that if a cool way to use it
His tier 1 powercreeped the shit out of the existing tier 4 self revive.
Whaaaaat new For Honor heroes power creeping old heroes and feats? No....never! Not in a million years!
No one gunna talk about that new execution raider was doing on that nobushi?
I played on ps4 pro for over 6 years, just got a ps5 a month ago and now you're telling me everyone is getting an upgrade after all this time 😮💨
You will still have double the frames you would have on ps4 pro, also you now don't have the near 100ms input delay the ps4 has.
Every other game that has option for 120fps is also available for you on ps5 if you play those games, so still a W for you 👍
@@NoNamesAreAllowed This is true but I just wish this update came out like 3 years ago lol
For everyone saying that the tier 1 is not busted does not run t4 auto-revive. I run auto-rez on warmommy and it almost always guarantees a revenge kill. Being able to stand up immediately after losing a close fight and oneshotting the guy that killed you happens pretty much every time it procs and has actually snatched victory more times than you would think when both teams are breaking. I chuckle when it happens because it's so consistent. The fact that he can respawn wherever even with a small amount of health, his pounce attack distance, and his defense debuff you get when you kill him means he is most likely gonna revenge murder you 90% of the time. Don't even get me started on the stall potential on points. You just hang out and block points for as long as you can, probably get revenge and stall even longer, die, and spawn right back near the point rinse and repeat.
1. There is a respawn timer
2. If you are executed it doesn't work
3. You can't respawn near enemies
Freeze, do you plan to make another deep study about PC vs consoles since Performance mode is there ? I am very curious about what are the true differences today.
I just get the feeling that the cent buff is gonna back fire. He's definitely going to get dodge attacked into a heavy and lose tbe trade because of the armor or even worse he will eat the dodge attack and then they recovery cancel and dodge again for a gb
I wonder if you can tag him forever with the shaolin first feat 🤔
I haven't played since Kyoshin dropped. Every hero just seems like more and more power creep
What happens, when ocelotl is in his respawn after braking?
I'm really curious if he can execute from the final bash and if zone attacks can be cancelled. btw great video
The only indicator that this hero has when he comes out of the ghost mode is a sound que so far and when he goes into his stance there are i frames so itll be used how nobus is used when double dodging level 3 bash, dodge then stance or vice-versa. It is kinda weird how there is only 1 move you can do and i see no useful reason why he moves faster, just seems like a just for fun thing
It's meant for ganks
Can you even cap a point after a 1v1 with ocelotl without executing him lol? Or is he fast enough to get up and run to the other side and spawn agin
Did they mention I-frames on the prowler?
Very briefly so we don’t know the full extent. Prob similar to Sifu and hidden stance
@shalashaskaseven4841 so it could be decent in a 1v scenario if that's the case as a free 22 dmg if it works that way. I'm mostly a duelist, so I'm just trying to gage his power there.
@@snowdrifter6187 Depending on recovery of the move. Could punish something like a warden bash but then be blocked on a Medjay bash. Either way as a heavy it’s chain options are better than a dodge light
good to know that my game sense is still correct to see how fuckin busted the t1 is. last time they gave a character a feat this strong was back with warmonger t1 that minions could proc.
honestly just switch t3 with t1 and its a bit better but still atleast a ghostly outline would be great to see where the ocelot is going.
Does anyone know if I’ll notice a difference with the performance mode update using a regular 120hz HDMI 2.0 monitor or will I need one that supports vrr on PS5? Don’t really want to spend £500 on a new monitor.
that world of warcraft corpse running has no right to be a t1 feat with little to no trade offs; that thing has the potential to ruin (if there too many ocelotl) or drastically change the outcome of a last stand in a breach match even as a t4 feat
the feat is rlly cool as a concept but a few drawbacks can be added to balance the feat such as no health regeneration while in that stance (minimum hp) / the players can slightly see the transparent ghost while in proximity / simply add a decently long cool down since its a t1 feat (much like t4 auto revive feat)
other than that, i actually like the hero, character design and armors are on point, gg devs
It would be nice if Ocelotl had undodgeable chain heavies or something, make it easier to flow into an unblockable mixup. Otherwise, he’ll have the same problem as Medjay’s axe stance where he can’t easily go from bash mixups to unblockable mixups. At least the damage on his bashes are good though. I think Ocelotl will be a lot more bash-focused unless they add more to the parts of his kit that seem lackluster (ie his hidden stance).
His hidden stance acting like a Sifu does chain into the unblockable.
It’s a cool incentive. A more situational defensive option, but gives better chain options than using a dodge attack.
Hey hey freeze if you could rebalance gear perks what would you change or remove?
The Hunters stance heavy is supposed to be used as a means to enter and engage team fights or as a pin for ganks. The hunters stance entry also has i-frames.
T1 is completely invisible to enemies, but I wonder if a Mythbusters video can be done to see what _can_ be seen by the enemy. (Mood effects, emote props, etc.)
T2 is a passive 'Marked for Death' that rewards you for dying to someone. (Meaning last laugh probably won't ever be touched)
T3 is a worse 'Bloodlust,' trading defense for running speed. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but at 15 seconds for the T3 duration, isn't it also a shorter duration than Bloodlust?)
T4 will definitely remind you of OG Shinobi but even worse, as it's an _undetectable_ (you have to see the player before they use it, as the incoming attack alert ❗️ doesn't pop up) ranged GB that does damage and bleed, and you can't counter GB. (Get over here!)
Ubisoft would be rubbing it in our faces if they allowed us to make an MK-Scorpion or Scorpion-based armor.
Would this performance mode help with input delay or just frames?
Pretty sure it’s just frames
But not delay. Every Character have Input delay
@@Islamischer_Rammbock oh yeah but I mean like on controller you know how mouse and keyboard move a lot faster and more smoothly that delay I ment
It’ll help with some input delay since i believe it’ll disable v sync
@@vapor_snake920 i can on consol better parring than on my Gaming PC
I still watch Freeze's videos and i havent played the game in 2 years.
We’ll see how the hidden stance works for him, if you can cancel quick enough to gb or throw something else i can see it working. The heavy from the hidden stance looking kinda weak but we’ll see.
I hope it can at least be used as some kind of roll catcher. Honestly depends on how fast the heavy can be done upon entering the stance. Would be nice if it is has an instant activation like Kyoshins full block moves for example.
When will fire flask ever be nerfed
How do you feel about Medjay in duels?
We'll have to see about his predator stance, but it really does seem useless, even for jumping in for an off screen gank. I wonder if making making it unblockable would make it too overpowered.
They should make it like shamans i think, faintable early, can attack from all sides, just slower but higher dmg. Maybe, I dunno.
It does 24 damage along with being a combo starter from what I say
@@holykonchu7250 easy to dodge/parry, cant feint it, slow to throw out. I cant see myself getting hit by it.
@@galaxyduck3343watch out we got a gamer here
@@galaxyduck3343 wow it's like they said it's meant as a ganking tool! For jumping the enemy in a team fight when they don't see you! Not meant for duels and even said it's trash for duels!
it would be cool if he could deflect in that special stance
I stared at my phone in disbelief when I witnessed that tier one.
I need whatever it is they're smoking.
Wait so the performance mode is coming the 7/27?
Yes
Why does medjay need a nerf?
That jump attack looks decent for gank or something since it seemed to pin for a sec
yeah The Wide One mentioned it being a tool to jump at people in team fights, its not meant to be a 1v1 tool
I would love to see how they decide what to nerf or buff cause imo we have way bigger feats and characters to look at Jorm slam gets nerfed makes no sense we still have a feat in the game that completely defies and breaks the revenge mechanic (oath breaker) now we get ocelotl with an insane tier 1 and 4 smh
6:12 thank you for mentioning this, as a jorm main this change bothered me so much
I don't really believe the tier 1 feat will be overpowered, simply because of how long it takes to gain health in that mode you're in. Yes, back-cap potential or surprise attacks are there, but if everyone on the team is at relatively good health there's no chance to surprise someone by respawning quickly so the Ocelotl is forced to wait to get health back, and that takes FOREVER. I also think the average player will vastly overestimate their abilities, go in with low health and then get clapped a lot. Possibly with something like Javelin, which I assume this character will have, the potential to pick up quick kills might be there, but that's only if the stars align and there's a low health enemy, you are able to respawn at the right time, your Javelin or last feat is off cooldown, you haven't been executed, you're in the right position and nobody else is already killing the enemy you are trying to surprise.
In a lot of cases I see people using this either badly and being demolished OR trying to play it safe and having their team be in an unnecessary 3v4 for 20 extra seconds, which can be a huge deal because any relatively smart team will team-fight with the Ocelotl in mind and once he does show up to help he's still only at half health and not a huge asset to the fight.
Especially if he respawns quickly to finish a kill but instantly eats a longbow esque feat.
I'm relatively optimistic, but maybe I am also just flat out wrong. I guess we'll see starting next week. Definitely excited to see how the feat plays out, but I feel like the community is only thinking of one side of the feat when there is clearly a massive drawback to using it. Being unable to turn it off is also a huge deal, nobody wants to spawn at 30 health so you're looking at an extra respawn timer of 10 seconds at the least assuming you're not an absolute God at this game, and even then it's a huge gamble every time unless you heal up first, which also wastes time.
Medjay doesn't even need nerf. Might be fast but he's real easy to manhandle
He honestly does
"Oh, you were playing the game? Shouldn't have done that."
-T2 feat
Feel like the stance needed something else, only 1 option out of it is kind of lackluster. Would've liked him to have a riposte that does bleed or something like pre rework Shino
Would be cool if he gained some kind of deflect. Cant block in stance but can dodge. Imagine a superior block dodge that lets him go into that neck slice move when you deflect.. Would be cool.
Doesn’t Sifu only have one follow up?
@@shalashaskaseven4841 Yeah but that one is faster and has unlockable. It can also be recovery cancelled using Sifu stance.
@@WhatIsLove170 It looks like it’s the same speed. Dodge forward heavies are often time 600 ms but take longer as usually you have a minimum time into a dodge before it can be inputted. This has no such restriction.
Medjay needs a REWORK, redo all his moves and make him unique the stances had a potential but there's no way they're keeping the copypasted shaolin/zerk moves while they showed us the budget they gave ocelotl on his animations and etc
Tbh the 1st and 4th feats are no broken or OP first the tier 1 yes you can run around the map picking a spawn point and you may think "oh well the aztec is just gonna backcap" then by that point he has no health and most likely has two enemies coming right towards him while he hasn't even capped the point, and tbh I see the 1st feat as a "Revenge kill" if anything like you follow the guy who killed you heal up the surprise him, also when he spawns back in he screams so loud just listen to the stream when he spawns back in.
Now the tier 4, yes I does bleed and good amount of damage but it's a tier 4 and you can only hook one person Honestly medjays axe throw is alot better because with the Aztec you have to throw the hook, pull him and then you guard break then throw a heavy by that time either your teammate would've hit the aztec with 3 heavies by this point the major thing its only for one person, highlanders spear storm can wipe out a entire team at full health and it stun locks you so if you get caught your dead and also fire flask (no explanation needed)
In my opinion his feats are not really super busted and at the end of the day we have to see them in action to judge
Ocelotl jumpscares are gonna be fun
This all would be nice if I could actually play the game. I've deleted and reinstalled the game twice, and everytime I try to play I get error 7-0000004 and kicked back to the title. Don't know what to do.
Edit: I have since, rebuilt my database, cleared my gallery of unnecessary crap, resety WiFi a few times, and tried to reinstall the game too, and nothing has worked.
Take the hint, for honor is trying to save you
Its to do with your firewall, I had the same thing, firewall was blocking some ubisoft spyware that the game needs to play online
Skill issue
@@centurion9524 Well, I'm on PS4. Don't really know to fix and change that.
You've probably tried this already but look for any and all info regarding that exact error code online. Usually there's at least a couple dozen people with the same problem as you and so many possible fixes that one of them will do the job. Good luck!
Can we please get a Spartan or Achilles hero
Achilles Hero is Zenturio
Ahh, dear little Ocelotte.
Where have you gone? Are you hiding from me?
Come out, come out, don't be afraid.
You were born a child of dragons, what could you possibly fear?
Now, now, show yourself, Ocelotte.
My dear, little Ocelotte.
Well, we know where he went guys, dark souls 3 for honor cross over confirmed
So true they should add the Abyss Watchers as a single character who's Tier just spawns unlimited bots of the Abyss Watcher with randomised aggression.
Look how they massacred my boy😡 6:20
i dont see the T1 feat as broken. yes you can respawn anywhere, but to return to full health you have to be waiting at least 30-40 seconds. you could respawn in 9 seconds but with fart of health.
It doesn't bothering anyone that hakf the roster had infinites?
God bless you for these recap video
Crazy they nerf caltrops cool down but kunai and blink has like no cool down still lol
I hope they don't nerf his ghost feat if afeera feats exist like they do this should be allowed too.
God I'd love if you could use the death whistle emote as a spectre and live players hear it. That would out-weigh the busted factor for me by being fun 😂
Ocelotl seem like a nice addition to the game. I won't even try to use the term balanced since it's too sensitive in this community, but he seems alright. At least he don't have dodge recoveries so there is that.
His t1 seems legit broken, but at the same time I thought about it and the fact that he only revive at 25% hp at normal respawn rate is quite alright. Once I was angry at a teammates and I just stayed dead for as long as i could and to be honest, having one player less that is waiting for his life to go up even a few seconds, is a big letdown.
The tactical applications are insane, but it can still be tuned later eh. Let me remind you all that we were perfectly fine with old smoke bomb not so long ago. How annoying is Ocelotl t1 really ?
Hey if you don't like the forth feat then just give him a fire flask
Medjay doesnt need a nerf 😂 hes already not that great, I do agree the hammer slam didnt need a nerf, the fully charged punch for cent could be fixed easily.. The fact that people can dodge level 1 then dodge for level 3 is really stupid. The caltrops nerf is fine except for it almost being as long as fire flask for cool down. It didnt need to be that long. (I am sorry for any Nuxia Mains out there)
I thought it was anyone killed by ocelotl will become a ghost, not ocelotl himself
I’m confused af
@@MantisSidaono offense but it was pretty clear what is what, if you watched the stream and listened to what they said.
@@NoNamesAreAllowed I did but I didn’t really understand the core mechanics of the respawning time and stuff.
Bash into bash, you will c how broken this move is, remember my words
First feat is so broken, as most finishers comes without execution
The balance for this game is going to ground
Oh-say-low is how you pronounce his name if anyone was wondering :)
Meanwhile pk can be countered by a singular light
For the feat 1, there is a small ui diamond thingy above your head when a fantom Ocelotl is near you. The devs didn't talk about it but i'm 99% sure it's that.
That’s the tier 2 active, if you kill one you get marked and debuffed
@@shalashaskaseven4841 You're right, I shouldnt have said that i'm 99% sure, damn...
I was very alright with the respawn feat because of the slow heal but you’re right and I didn’t think about it, but there should be some very subtle hints as to where the player might go, rather than just predicting it entirely
They could give it a very slight black smoke effect around him when he's invisible. Not one that would make it super obvious, but if you look for it, you'll see it
I'd be willing to say most console players won't feel a big improvement from the FPS changes as most of them play on low refresh rate televisions.
Jorms hammer slam bing nerfed to 26 from 30 is dumb but cent can get 30 on his his pin that don't seem fair to me. Its abit like when gyphon had his kick's heavy nerf to 24 it was uncalled for it should be 28 not 24 but hl can get 30 damage off his kick
It's because jormungandr doesn't have to put in any work to get that 30 damage. Cent has a shitty character bash that takes double to time to land. Highlanders kick isn't feintable and you can just dodge attack his whole mix up which puts him low stam.
@@ezhno7137 dude thats a lie honesly jorms bash sucks still but his nerf was uncalled for plus the kick i was saying was gryphon's kick damage being nerfed was uncalled for aswel as you can easily dodge both his and hl kicks
@@ezhno7137yea no jorms bash is easily predictable most jorms feint it a couple times in order to catch the opponent off guard same with cent he can use a fast bash after a quick light a few times so that the opponent dodges later on and gets hit by the full bash, oh but lets not nerf cents dmg lets infact give him a buff 🤡
No dodge attacks, if they gave him a dodge attack and the stance had dash attacks like shaman, aka all sides, this could be shaman 2.0 just no bite. (tho nothing will replace my shaman, best char, cant change my mind (by best, i mean most fun)
He does have a dodge atk. It's just Valk's
@@Odyssey__ ah ok
imagine if his heavys were blue, that'd be funny, surprised they didn't do it
For honor doesn’t have “ good or bad” hero’s, it has “bad or annoying” hero’s
He's got like 4 attacks, what's the point in simple moveset heroes. They're always the ones who go stale the fastest, shaolin always feels fresh to play because you have so much you can do.
Shaolin, Highlander, gladiator. Some of my favourite heros in the game just because they have a lot of options. Variety truly is the spice of life.
I like the hero. For a new addition, he seems quite balanced compared to other heroes when introduced. Loved the 1st feat. I am just waiting to see if he is GB vulnerable after whiffed bashes and if you can counter-GB the 4th feat.
We need for honor free to play and have it be marketed hard
this game amazing and theres no games like it
Honestly, seeing how much unfair shit For Honor's been having, I'm kinda numb to that tier 4. The TIER 1 however, and I repeat, TIER FUCKING 1, is gonna be a complete pain in the ass
its gonna be fun when 4 stacks with Ocelotl,
and all of them respawn behind you like nothing pesonnel kid
Jorms slam damag nerf is stupid as hell and equivalent to Valks nerfs.
What did nuxia even deserve to get hit with a neft lol I feel like 90 sec for that feat is to long like it can literally kill your teammates and the enemy feel like 50 to 60 would be fine
Yay no nerfs for my main
heroes of the storm has a hero who doesnt get sent back to the respawn room when he dies & chooses where he respawns. it breaks the game. in modes where spawn times are around 10s they had to just disable him entirely -- hey guess how long respawns in for honor are
so cool that we're importing that to For Honor. i look forward to complaining about it for 3 years until they just remove the feat from the game
seriously it feels like this character is some new dev's first design. oh wow a triple bash chain so you can fight someone without ever giving them something to block/parry. they went "oh wouldnt it be cool if you could attack people far away suddenly or if theyre rolling" & didnt realize roll catchers are a thing. & then when trying to come up w a gimmick they pulled a Musk & went "what if this character was excempt from the repawn mechanics" without realizing THEY WORK LIKE THAT FOR A REASON
T1 is really trowing the strategic aspect of the game down the drain. But I saw many comments which were excited for this.. We'll see. Also, single pick when?
centurion buff huge
I feel like yall have ptsd from shinobii honestly dont think theres a difference between his teir 4 projectile and Valk throwing her spear or Glad throwing his trident or Medjay throwing his axes exc remember yall shinobi had that in his basic fighting kit and it was a normal attack what this hero has is a feat yes it takes similarities from him but they aint the same thing theres a reason why its a tier 4 and look closer its treated as a bash so there will be an indicator just dodge it like any other throwable im not saying itll be easy but give it a chance i dont even play dominion i like 1v1/2v2 better so I expect Dominion to have these gimmicks i still feel FH should follow the 1v1 path and stop the whole war thing its to hard to balance fr when they have to make a whole new fighting style they making it harder on themselves fr
So he’s basically aramusha but better
Nothing hurts more then seeing your hammer boy nerfed but even worse when nuxias only reliable tool is nerfed lol and HURTS EVEN MORE WHEN THERES NO MEDJAY NERF CMOOOON.
The amount of time it takes to get all health back is probably equivalent to actually properly respawning and going to the desired location anyways. After you kill him you’ll just need to have decent coordination or just go back to home point. Which is what most people do after a fight anyways.
There is a respawn timer tho
@@Pow3rsprunkfor the new hero?
@@comradeglaz42 yes. Why did you think he didn't?
@@Pow3rsprunk you mean the 5 seconds timer?
@@comradeglaz42 they lowered it because it's a custom match, so they could show it quicker🤦🤦🤦
Love the trend of developers giving the new characters the most cancerous feats they can, wonderful
Tier 1 isn't really busted. If it is taking almost 1 minute to heal up while your playing Casper, your team could be down multiple players(especially as Ocelotl) the enemy team could easily take over the map under 1 minute
you don't have to fully heal to respawn
@@fkkfreezeThat's true, and also what makes the Tier 1 balanced. You choose to repawn quicker, but risk getting killed much easier, especially if out in the open
Someone hasn't played with tier 4 self revive at all and one shot their previous attack in game and it shows in thinking this tier one for Ocelotal is somehow not just an objectively better version than that lol. An Ocelotal player will not be away from teammates to abuse this feat, so you will never get an execution on him and he will always wait to respawn at the last second to one shot you as you execute the other teammate after he dies. It's so predictable seeing how this will be unbalanced its not even funny.
@@robertsteiner4696M8, u need to start thinking when playing that game.
@@kingbeast6792No cool down, you can keep coming back and stalling a group fight endlessly
Maybe throw centurion mains a bone damn it