i might get BANNED from Spotify... im not kidding
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- Опубликовано: 16 янв 2024
- This morning I woke up to these notifications from DistroKid, warning me of the potential ban I could receive for botting streams on my songs. Funny part is, the songs aren't botted. In fact, the majority of streams on both songs they flagged are full of streams from THEIR OFFICIAL PLAYLISTS !! wtf, idk what to say.
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I’m dealing with this bullshit right now too. Three of my most popular songs have been removed saying the same thing, 100% artificial streams even though they are streaming on legit Spotify playlists and even getting local radio play. I contacted Spotify about this and was informed that they didn’t request the songs taken down and that the metadata looks good. DistroKid removed the songs. I keep reading posts about this happening to other artists. Their music gets deleted and the distributor pockets the royalties. Trying to deal with DistroKid’s customer support is like bashing your head against the wall. I’m pissed 😡
This is fckd up!!! Most of my catalog is on distrokid I’m gonna slowly but surely transfer everything over from there to one of my other distros. I actually prefer SoundCloud for artist
sorry you gotta deal w this homie !! im still trying to get some answers from distrokid to straighten things out . hopefully they actually get back to me with some answers
I just got an email from Distrokid saying the same crap. That my last song was being placed on a bot playlist. They wanted me to sign basically an admission of guilt and that I will not do it again.
I never submitted, contacted or paid for any 3rd party promo. We don't have any saying or control of what playlist we are added to.
Spotify should just remove the streams, not the actual track. Also love how you'll prolly find a couple mainstream artists in those playlists too and they won't get their music taken down.
You've got this bro 🙏💯💪.
Ong, they definitely should. Funny thing is, they were actually doing that before. I long while ago, I tested some Fiverr promotion gigs for a video, and it was very clearly fake streams. They would literally be adding and removing streams live on the app when you see the "live stream count". Idk what happened to that, but I guess we'll never know...
@@MMXVII BRUUUUH that's kinda mad, one of my very first releases got taken down 3 years ago and Spotify took it down at 27k streams I believe. I re-uploaded the song as part of an album and the streams were there lol.
But fr tho, they wanted independent artists to hustle to get heard ... We all collectively found close to 30+ methods and instead of focusing on banning botted playlists they'd rather punish the artist like we already don't struggle with making sure everything is PERFECT.
True af bro, you said it. I hate the way they move nowadays@@ZaccLee
Yes...I too have had algorithmic streams flagged for being fraudulent. Like, a lot. It's a problem. Either Spotify can't tell a legitimate stream from a botted stream...or the platform is so heavily populated with fake accounts that the algorithm can't avoid racking up large numbers of botted streams just by doing it's thing. One thing is for sure...it all smells really rotten.
same thing happened to me. Got the same notice saying 4 of my songs are 100% artificial streams - when more than half of the streams are literally Spotify algorithmic streams.
Yea it doesn't make sense. There's some other talk in this comment section with 808riot about some new botting technique that might be happening. Even if all that is true, it's not possible to have 100% fake streams on my song because not only do I stream my own music, but I also used it in Spotify Discovery Mode. So something along the supply chain of data here is incorrect.
@@MMXVII right. i had them in discovery mode as well. the thing that's dodgy is the 'no questions asked' approach they're taking. i was surprised i had no chance to appeal.
I’m staring to think discovery mode is getting songs flagged. It’s technically still n beta and the songs me and bro got flagged on last year where all in discovery mode at one point in time
@@MMXVII interesting, there might be something to this because since I've been using discovery mode I've gotten my shit removed twice.. currently, 60% of my streams are coming directly from Spotify's algorithm.. also, I've noticed discovery mode works best when you are running ads in Spotify... so not only are you paying Spotify for those ads, you're also giving them 30% of the streams they're gracious enough to give you in those contexts. Somebody is making money and it sure as hell ain't the artist. imo, it seems distrokid is using the new Spotify policy to justify withholding royalties from anyone who doesn't have label or legal resources; basically claiming they aren't "legitimate" artists. By the end of 2024 it'd be interesting to see how much distrokid and tunecore have managed to rack up
I had the exact same stream spike appear this week and it's frustrating because I've never pitched to any playlisters or services. Contacted spotify for artists and they said "everything looks normal" when it clearly isn't.... Curious to know where things go for you - please keep us updated. It's BS that a ton of artists could get strikes for something they never did.
Update: Spoke with them again and saw to contact our distributor about it. Seen elsewhere that that doesn't lead anywhere, so kind of a dead end.
So yea, just got done talking to a Spotify rep. Recorded my whole conversation, likely going to make an update with it. They said the same thing. It's entirely on the distributor side to place some sort of punishment. They told me DistroKid has a 3 strike system. DK gets sent data and essentially chooses how to handle it. Pretty wild, I'm heading to Boost Collective for free distribution anyway.@@cblanchhiphop
@@MMXVII good to know - I’ll keep an eye out for updates and will let ya know if I find anything too. Crazy this something we’d have to worry about - guess it’s true when they say to never rely on a single platform for income
@@MMXVII so you didn't get banned from distrokid? I've got the same notification for 1 song today and i'm so glad they didn't close my account, only the song will be removed, i think this is new from spotify because i've been on botted playlists before from 'promo' services without any problems
My management got the exact same warning across multiple of my songs.. Spotify is just implementing this feature as of recent and it's a terrible idea to do so when there's multiple random bot playlists going around adding thousands of artists to them and giving them fake streams. Spotify needs to figure this out because I've got around 3 strikes now because of this.
Woooah that's insane dude, sorry to hear that !! Apparently DistroKid has a 3 strike system... at least according to the Spotify rep I spoke to. Not sure what it means, but I'd assume if you get 3 strikes you can't use DK anymore ?? who knows, but that's super sad.
@@MMXVII The strike system is kind of false since all they do is remove your song but you can just reupload it
So if you can re upload the song you have to delete it off all streaming platforms then Re up load it again ?
This notification is only on distrokid not directly from spotify distrokid are doing it them self and blaming spotify
Spotify announced new rules to "tackle" fake streams but they basically put all the work onto the Distributors. So Spotify sends data to them saying "hey your artist ____ has 90% or more fake streams on song x, y, & z" then the distro is supposed to warn the artist. There's some 3 strike system on DistroKid according to the Spotify rep I spoke to. So yes, the notif is from DistroKid, but the problem still remains with Spotify supplying inaccurate data. If you can't prove your streams to be legit (as I did in this video) you are forced to accept the strike and move on.
The question is, where do the royalties go? Spotify says they won't ever take the songs down, only your distro will, so is it being presented as more strict from the distros? So many unanswered questions.
Spotify is trying not to pay indie artist at all. They always saying fake streams . Better to just push RUclips, audiomack and SoundCloud again: at least RUclips ads will actually get you real streams
Been thinking about it lately. Sadly, Spotify has over 30% of the market share, and Apple Music has over 15%. So at least 45% of the people streaming music use those services. It's much more difficult to advertise anywhere but there, and moving your existing listeners over to another platform is the most challenging of all.
@@MMXVII yeah but most of the artist I find are from RUclips through ads. Then I’ll look them up on other platforms. I wouldn’t spend money on Spotify ads and I’m slowing going away from fb ads. At least when you spend your money on Yourube ads you can make some of the money back and it’s cheaper. We can’t treat spotify like it’s the only platform it’s just Best Buy and Apple Music is Walmart as long as your fans can find your music that’s all that matters. Might have to go to direct downloads with sign up sell merch and tour again. Streaming is getting worse
@@MMXVII well, I think is time for a change. It will hurt us at the beginning but we had given Spotify too much power. If enough artist pull their music from Spotify they will hear us.
stop talking about ''indie artist'' like it's something different or i dont know lmao lol
there is 200 styles in the world and u keep saying indie artists lol
This just happened to me. I’m speechless.
Same shit just happened to me.. Spotify are starting there own promotion now and getting rid of 3rd party promotions
Spotify has had their own internal promo for years, unless you're referring to something else I'm unaware of? Showcase, Marquee, Discovery Mode, etc. are all things that people use even if they pay for botted streams.
They put a email out saying it before start of 2024
The whole “fake stream stuff” is going to ruin Spotify reputation. The whole concept of a fake stream is crazy like how a stream can be fake? Didn’t it came from a Spotify account?
Precisely. But if they start taking down all these fake accounts, that's going to look not so good to their investors bc it could have a massively detrimental effect on their market share.
@@jamesdeborde absolutely, it’s even good for them to get more ads, they just want to keep the cash for themselves. Some artists are suing about this.
dudeeeee that's insane man. As an artist myself, I feel your pain. I'm sorry that you're having to deal with this BS. I would personally reach out to Spotify customer support and politely let them know that you haven't done anything wrong. I know it must be shocking to receive such a letter, but just try to stay calm and keep your head up. In time, I'm sure they’ll realize that they made a mistake due to their algorithms. Keep making great music and don't let this detour you from your dreams.
Thank you so much homie, I appreciate you !! I actually got off of a chat with the Spotify support an hour ago and got some new info. It's a really stupid system, which I am going to talk about in an update video on my tiktok shortly (im_mmxvii) if you want to watch out for that.
yoooo I had this same problem last months it was so frustrated 😩 after all the hard work and time spent promoting your work for them to just say your song is having a fake streams that f up but you can talk with distrokid the will fix it for you
How did distrokid respond to you?
my distrokid was block and i send them some email and pictures of my song and. the playlists my songs was in after they will ask you some questions and if everything look good you be greated access @@tokyogamer5825
@@tokyogamer5825 they don't it's a bot and when you do get a ticket for email correspondence with support, it takes at least 7 days; when you send them screenshots of your spotify for artists stats showing whatever percentage of streams coming directly from spotify's algorithm, they feed you bs about how you're still in the wrong.
Not sure about that. I got my lastest single flag too. I got an email from Distrokid with a link of what it looks like an "admission of guilt" . I will not sign that because I didn't do anything wrong. Then I email support and it said they will take 5 to 7 days to reply.
I guess Distrokid is over it's head with all this. I will be moving my music catalog to another distributor after this. And from now on, I will not have music on Spotify. I know it will hurt me at the beginning, but I have fans on other streaming platforms.
We all should make a stand againt Spotify and remove our music from it's platform.
I don't get why they are targeting the artist when it should be the playlist owner if songs are being botted.
The same thing happened to me yesterday. It's crazy because they flagged two of my songs but removed the entire album
Woooah that's insane... wtf
Same here they said one track had artificial views and deleted my entire album
Do you use distrokid to distribute?
@@mynameisisaque If you're asking me, no. I used to, and I was sponsored by them for a few years but recently I switched.
They just took down two albums and a single of mine due to four songs that were flagged??? :/ My biggest issue was them saying 100% of the streams were artificial when those songs were clearly getting a majority of streams from Spotify algorithmic playlists 😮💨
Exactly, doesn't make any sense.
Spotify got crazy this year.
that actually crazy bro
This is crazy me and bro got flagged last year. I’m almost thinking discovery mode got us flagged because we not paying for any fake views!?!🤔🤔🤔
that seems to be pretty common amongst those getting taken down . idk if radio has some malicious activity or what
I recently had an old song added to a fake bot playlist without my permission. I have curruently 30,000 monthly listners all organic and I work really hard to keep it that way. This is so annoying because they added me to the playlist and added 1000 streams and gave me 150 extra followers which I do not want since they are fucking bots! I am worried Spotify will send me an emal like this which is so annoying because I am on multiple editorial playlists also and the last thing I want is this fucking bot playlist to fuck me up!.
Well, to make it a little easier on you, Spotify will only give you notifications if the songs have majority fake streams. I believe the number they settled on was 90%, so even if 89% of them are fake, you'll be fine.
What's frustrating here is that the streams are definitely not fake. They added a bunch thru their algorithms and somehow flagged them ?? I don't get it but whatever
interesting, yeah, they totally messed up those calculations. Have you talked to DistroKid? If you did, what did they say?
I'm using CD Baby and haven't got any emails about bot streams. Lucky for me, the song they boosted with fake streams was only like 10% of its total plays, and it's an old one that didn't perform as well with around 11,000 streams.
I'm trying to stir up some chat on Andrew Southworth's Genera Studio forums because this is becoming a big headache. We gotta look out for ourselves as artists. @@MMXVII
But if you are added to editorials you get an email and also on your timeline stat on the day you were added, those streams are probably bot streams from a service who can make a editorial playlist show up in your stats by tricking the system but the song is not actually on the playlist @@MMXVII
question is.. should I wait for their replay? or re-upload track?
or delete from distrokid it and re-upload again? no clue.
They're trying to sabotage indie artist
for what??
nah spotify gotta go this why i only post on soundcloud
Might be the move, huh ?? Either way, it's a streaming service. It could end up just the same somewhere down the road.
Im gonna put this out here. We might be a minority as indie artist, but we can make a stand an pull off our music from Spotify. I think if enough of us do it and demand they fix this, they might do it.
For my next release I will leave Spotify out.
yoooo Curtiss King TV just made a video on this topic! Damn this shit really blowing up!
i saw that !! so sick . crazy this situation is even happening
Okay, this may not sound believable to some people but here's what most likely has happened. Just recently (last 6 months or so) there's been a big scheme with botting services that offer streams that come directly from editorial playlists even though your song isn't seen in the actual playlist. So even though you see streams come from those playlists they may not be real unless you actually got placed on the playlist. For example, I see you have gotten streams from some of the top playlists like 'Today's Top Hits' and 'Viral Hits'. While sometimes you can get real streams from these playlists through new recommendations for listeners, if you're getting a high multitude of streams such as your 7000 stream spikes, that is 99% all botted as it all just dropped off straight after. So, even though you didn't pay for the botting service, the botters can still send streams to your song either as a test or for whatever reasons they have. I'd be happy to speak more on this because I know it can sound confusing but it is a real thing unfortunately and I've had a lot of experience with the backend things of Spotify.
How is it possible that they feed the streams from official playlists? Also, if it's been 6 months of this, you'd think Spotify would have tackled the false association to their editorials by now. What's the incentive in botting random people from these official playlists? There's no ties to anyone except Spotify so it's not like a worth while investment. I've been added to fake playlists at random but it's clearly to funnel users to an email in description so they get buyers.
I'm not saying there's no truth to this, but I'm very skeptical because the time & effort to make this weird convoluted bot scheme looks to have no advantage for the hackers.
@@MMXVII it has something to do with the API from what I’ve been told. I’ve been offered the service before to which I didn’t even entertain but sometimes certain songs might just get mixed up in the botting process, not sure why some artists randomly fall victim to it. You’d be surprised the amount of times it happens. I know there’s a couple individuals that control a lot of the botting in the underground scene and they’ve been doing it for years. I’ve personally never been targeted as bad as you have.
@@MMXVIIYou can also tell by your stream/listener ratio being 14.53 on that one song. That is a top sign of botting.
In my opinion, 1:1 is a big indicator that it's bots, for every stream it's a new 'listener' and there is indeed a service who's offering editorial streams, the editorial playlist will show up in your spotify for artist stats but your not actually on the playlist @@808Riot
Okay noted, this makes a bit more sense. I've heard of people getting streams misplaced on Spotify before, unrelated to the bots.@@808Riot
Spotify is not doing it right
put this video on promo or something, this need to be seen by milions.
I got delete like 2 days ago. from ''bot farming'' playlist. yeah.
I had the same notification
That's wild. What percentage of fake streams did you have ??
@@MMXVII i don't know for sure but i did some research and apparently it's distrokid doing it but I'm not sure i hear alot of people say distrokid is actually bad
@@MMXVIIBut bro what percentage of bots streaming will make our accounts shutdown??😢
spotify did this to me also bro
That's so sht bro... how many fake streams did it say for you ??
@@MMXVII 80% the joke is this i used discovery mode and after that they flagged all the songs i had on campaign.
I don't get are they saying you're using bots to stream your songs? is that it?
Essentially, Spotify tells each distributor about songs that they believe to have 90% or more fake streams on them. It's then up to the distributor to do something about it. So yes, they are saying I have fake streams, but this video was meant to debunk that clear as day and expose these crappy systems that we as artists are expected to trust.
@@MMXVII Yeah, doesn't seems very fair. Hope you get in touch with distro and fix this.
I'm going to be honest, I don't think spotify calculates 100% of actual streams, i think they take out their given streams and only calculate curated playlists/streams of people who directly go to your page to listen to your song.
This could be a possibility, but they had hardly any streams before the Spotify official playlists came in. Very slow traffic from my current fanbase is all the heard it before.
You're buying botted shit. Own it.
Artists that fake their streams are scumI pay good money for real streams from the best farms man