Our HUNTING ARROWS!!! - (Weight, Spine, Length, Inserts, and BROADHEADS)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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Can’t wait for the deer tour to start!!
Me either but I wish time would go slower lol 😞😞😞
I miss shooting my compound 100%. Ever since Mt military injuries started getting worse and the VA started trying to fix them. I had to stop and go to crossbow. I don't have an expensive crossbow, because you don't need one to make a kill shot, and keep it challenging. Great video fellas
Don’t ever get rid of Nick! 😂 you guys are the best!!! 5’9” size 10 shoe… 😂😂 I spit my coffee out with that one ☕️😅
Be 73 before Nebraska opener have $300 in my set up going back to 1986 traded my proline force2 magnum for new model in early 2000s went to carbon then but have always shot muzzy 125
Can’t afford all the gizmos sold today my deer eat just fine 😊
Love hearing your setups details and then seeing how they perform through the season.
Slow mo is telling on ya, punching that trigger like it owes you money😂
God forbid you squeeze a trigger
33.5" draw means life is expensive. Mathews bow because Bear doesn't make a bow for me. Easton axis 5mm because they're the only arrow longer than 32". 552 grains with 125 grain head and no extra insert because I already reached the weight I was wanting although it's only about 11% FOC.
Black eagle arrows are 33" and advertise that the .001 straightness is consistent end2end on uncut shafts.
You have the length to shoot efoc arrows at "high" velocity. My specs are: rx1-ultra 30.5"/83lb 755gr 27%foc, 200 spine x-impact shafts @260fps. You should realistically match (or beat) my speed at 70lbs, with your added draw length.
552gr must be going like 300fps+ for you, because 615gr was going 285fps for me
I can't wait!! I'm shooting a 300 spine, Easton Axis 5mm Match Grade w/ a 75 gr Easton insert, a 25 gr Iron Wills collar and 150 gr Iron Wills left single Bevel. 28.5" draw. Total weight is 610 gr. Bow is set at 63 lbs. The arrows are flying really straight (paper & knocked tuned )w/ my Broadheads. I didn'y have a grain # I was stuck on, it's just what they ended up being because they flew the best.
That thang heavy!!
I feel like arrow set up depends on the shooter and what a where they hunt. I don’t get many 20 yard shots so I shoot riptko 27” with 100 gr mechanical lighted nock with a 70lbs bow 29” draw. 425 gr total weight and 3 doe and a buck down last season. If i go hog I’ll def go heavier.
What inserts are you using for the rip tko? I have v1 300g with 100g broadheads. But I want more weight up front and can’t find what I’m looking for
Podium archer stainless steel
When is John Dudley going to hop on the show and teach Ranch Fairy proper form? 🤣
Yeah you don't need a heavy arrow, But who always hits exactly where they want, Nice to have that weight when you hit some shoulder
Heavy arrows vs. light arrows, controversial topic, I've hunted with both, Growing Deer TV has an interesting vid with a sound engineer on arrow speed vs. deer reaction time, it matters. -W. Liggett
Can not believe how many people are so angry that some people want to be different and shoot heavier arrows lmao. Jesus Christ
My setup seems tame in comparison. Victory VAP Elite .166 with 95-grain steel outserts, weighing about 460 grains with a 100-grain broadhead. Just over 17% FOC and full penetration every time. My arrows are significantly heavier than my hunting partners, primarily due to the heavy insert. Good luck this fall.
This is a perfect arrow
"Ranch fairy responds if you ask him a question".I can second that. I have exchanged few emails with him today. Your a solid man troy. Much respect brother. Hopefully i can grow elkaholics enough to one day get to make a video with you all. Now that would be sweet. Just saying 😉
I have that same scale...mine has always been used to weigh other things. Good to know I can weigh my arrows with it.
"Dutch Angle: The Dutch angle is a shot in which the camera has been rotated around the axis of the lens and relative to the horizon or vertical lines in the shot. The primary use of a Dutch angle is to cause a sense of unease or disorientation for the viewer." Troy will do that to some folks. 😉
Shooting the heaviest arrows with the slowest bows made. Best to not stretch it past 17 yards.
Are the arrow lengths you guys putting up carbon to carbon, nock throat to carbon or total arrow length with hard wear
Great details on the setups. It is helpful when thinking about my setup and what I might change too.
Maybe I missed it but what are in inserts y’all using?
Just went with the Ranch Fairy Sirius Apollo for this coming season. They are flying awesome. They aren't cheap by any means but I think they will be worth the money. Shooting the 150G Magnus single bevel also. 601Grain total.
Think I got all of y’all beat. 32inch draw, 62 lbs. shooting black eagle rampages with 52 grain half out with 75 grains of brass behind it. 5.5 inch arrow wrap and 4 fletched with AAE max stealths. 150 grain Magnus single bevel. Coming in at 657 grains.
Hey guys, I had a question about Zack's sight. There are two React One models (the React One dovetail, and the React One hunter bracket). I don't know which one he has and I am definitely considering getting the sight. I would greatly appreciate if Ya'll let me know which one he has. Keep up the great work guys!
Helpful video
Looking at purchasing a new bow and are you guys having good luck with ur bear's. Looked at bear's and seen ur brand on the adapt.
It’s interesting seeing these results as they are concepts that have been used with traditional bows for quite some time. The 600ish gr threshold high foc and heavy cut on contact broadheads are all things used to make slow bows more efficient and effective. Very cool watching the high speed vids ect! Keep up the good work!
I've learned the most from RF. Heavier arrows do damage and puts game down quickly. Heavy fixed blade weight forward arrows are the way to go. Even at a 50lb draw pass throughs are guaranteed with heavier arrows. Mass puts them in the grass.
great video you guys shoould try out the RIP TKOs by Victory. those are really strong and also have a good insert system.
What are the main differences between the Adapt and Adapt 2? The prices seem really reasonable and I have a diamond that works well but always looking for a new hunting bow then my diamond will become my bow fishing bow 🤣
What inserts are y’all using? ( or outserts ) I have 300g rip tko v1 and want to add more weight to front but can’t find anything that looks like y’all’s
For inconsistencies with arrow flight with lighted nocks, may want to check nock fit. Lighted nocks are notorious for being too tight on factory servings.
Which insert option though
How would I know if getting a heavier arrow would fly well with my bow?
You have to get a couple of different spines and several different point weights and test it yourself. It can be alot of work but well worth it when you find the right combo. Every bow and every person is different so you have to tinker and find what is best for you.
you have to paper tune ur bow and tune ur cams. these people telling you to change ur tip weights and tune the arrow to the bow are incorrect. shoot it through paper and adjust ur wheel lean till you have a bullet hole.
Cheap single cam pse w 28" gold tip hunt xt 400s and a 1inch cut tooth of the arrow.
Hit the humerus and had no blood trail.....had to call in a dog......but still recovered the deer.....gotta tell the whole story
If I remember correctly they backed out due to caution and called the dog before they even looked. Turns out the deer was just at the bottom of the hill and they didn't even need the dog.
@@jesse4r5 so I went back and watched it....after the shot he took off running after it...then they went back and found the arrow....saw they didn't get much penetration and backed out.....point being still needed a dog.....when he mentioned it hit the humerus he implied like it went down in sight with no tracking issues
@@mountainstateadventures8968 That deer didn't even go 40 yards. They didn't need the dog.
@@jesse4r5 so why did they call for one
@mountainstateadventures8968 Idk, have to ask them.
"Team brokeback mtn" 😂
Do the sirius inserts have to be factored in when ordering arrow length on the site?
So my 30 inch draw with my little heavier weight arrow I should be good where I’m at then .
They love their Chinese arrows
Haha right!
Coming from a group of guys who started this with American made only values. That went out the window
Gotta love quality. Sure wish US made meant anything today
Seventy pounds and six hundred grains of error you don't have to worry about bones
I have Greg’s drawings but because of an elbow surgery, I can only draw back 60 pounds. What kind of arrows set up do you think I should try 250 spine?
I dare one of you guys to try a 430gr arrow for a season. Would be very surprised if you were not pleased with the performance on animals. I’ve gotten full pass throughs on elk and hogs every time even with shoulder hits.
All in your broadheads my brother
@@theyoungoutdoorsman5814 did it using grim reaper 1-3/8” mechanicals. These heavy arrow setups are getting out of hand.
This video should have started with all you guys standing around with crossbows 😂
Matthew’s Lift 28” draw 60# ... Sirius Vulcans 4 fletch 300 spine 544 grams. Pretty sure they are smacking the cable roller on the way by though. Might have wasted $195.
Love it! Ranch videos helped me with my setup. I shoot 60lbs 27in Easton axis arrows 340 spine (28.5 draw) with ethics archery half out 100g ss insert. Vpa 125g single bevel. Lighted nock. About 522 grains total with 18%foc. So far I’m 2/2 on deer. Fly like darts!
I must be lucky I'm running Easton ACC with 4 gateway razor feathers and 100 sonic heads total weight 377grns and pulling 63# from a darton spectra E and I have never failed to get pass throughs 🤔
Who makes that “moon nock”? I can’t seem to find that brand with a quick google search.
Lumenok is what he was saying if I’m reading your comment correctly
Watching The Hunting Public and the ranch fairy helped me so much. Planning on doing a new set up this year.
LIFT33…. 31.5”/73#/80%. ….. 250 spine Sirius Gemini/podium titanium half outs with fact weights (70 grains w/125 grain SEVR 1.75); 4 fletched with flex fletch pro 2.5’s. 29 3/8” carbon to carbon; 482 grains/16.3% FOC… 296 fps!
They group great!
Im shooting a 620gr sirus vulcan 250 spine 120gr single bevel. Gotta try the Vulcans you won’t be disappointed
Another cool piece of information would be a speed difference. If you guys could have shot over a chronograph. I am just curious how much things change with the weight and length changes.
Really thought Aaron would be slinging this 150gr black Hornets this trip
Where’s Jake ?
Off topic but you guys share great information I would love for yall to come down the apalachicola national forest and see what tips yall can share with this area during early bow season see if yall can’t snag a north Florida giant !
So Greg u had 23 execute best right u switch ? Dislike or just bear giving away bows why not?
Shooting same old Diamond Fugitive (they dont even make anymore lol), set at 63 lbs, draw 28 in.
Arrow is a Deer Crossing Archery Huter Series, .300 spine, 4 fletch & 3 fletch, 100 gn ethics insert, i shoot & carry 3 different broadheads (because i can through the magic of broadhead tuning lol) 1st Tuffhead 200 gn w/bleeders, 2nd VPA single bevel, 3rd Woodsman Elite 3 blade 200 gn, total arrow weight between 584 & 586 gn's (we all know these heavy broadheads usually are couple grains heavier than the label state). According to the calculators I'm at smooth 22% FOC. God Bless to everyone of my hunting blood Brother's, may we have blessed, safe & successful season gentlemen 🙏
Being a woman hunter. What are your wife/girlfriend’s setups?
what do you recommend for a 6'3" 265lb total unit with 22" pythons brotherzzz?!
Use the start by saying this is only if you shoot a deer 20 yd and under
You can shoot alot farther than you think with a heavy arrow but most whitetail hunters shoot 20 yards and less. The better hunter you become the closer the shots.
My longest kill with my 650 grain arrow was 62 yards, so it is pure nonsense that you can only shoot short distances with heavy arrows.
I have never hit to high or to low because of my heavy arrows.
I suggest someone need to learn more about archery.
@@The_Judge300🙄
You guys use the Ontarget2 softwer, for spine calibration?
I really appreciate you guys putting this one out! I've been slowly coming around to the mind set of a heavier arrow set up and this solidified it. by the time i finished your video i was emailing Troy and he helped figure out what arrow would best suit me. I ended up ordering the Sirius 250 spine Super Nova SDs and man do i love the way they fly!!!! Thank you!!
Warbs wingspan...😂😅 Excellent information, all appreciate the time and field studies? 😊 Love what ya'll are doing 😊
have been shooting a 400 grain arrow about 300 fps with an easton axis arrow and spitfire expandable on illinois deer for 20 years never a penetration issue. if you like heavy fairy arrows thats fine but 400 grains is perfect in my book
Amen
I used to do the same... when everything goes perfect, no problem. I wasn't passing through does if I hit a shoulder.. switched to 500 grains 2 years ago with cut on contact broadhead. 260fps.. passed through every animal I shot since.. includes a 5 x 6 bull at 50 yards. No way my lighter set up would have done that.
A stiffer spine is always better when shooting with a compound bow and modern rests today as there is no need for an arrow flexing around the riser without hitting it as it leaves the bow.
Hunted last year in an unnamed state, Nick and Ted were camped next door. Good dudes. And yes, Ted wears the old camo pants every hunt!
Ole Ted. 1 bad dude.
Should try out Valkyrie archery systems toughest arrows you will find
Is there a new hunting public bow collab coming out this year?
Williams Matthew Garcia Richard Garcia Charles
How does this all scale with draw weight and length? For example, someone on the opposite spectrum at 50lb compared to the THP guys at 70lbs.
Lower poundage will need less spine at a given weight and length. Both adding tip weight (insert or broadhead) and lengthening the arrow will make you need to go stiffer also.
That Big X intro was excellent!
I knew I wasn’t the only one who noticed
300 spine sirius apollos. 63 lb draw. 100 grain single bevel iron wills. 490 total arrow weight. had a 650 grain set up in 2022. backed it off to get a little flatter arrow fight.
Absolute Killer setup you have. My Hoyt Torrex XT 60# loves itself some 500 grain total. 28" Gold Tip Hunter XT's, 100 grain inserts, 100 grain G5 Stryker V2's. Blowing through deer like skinny missiles. 👍
Any one know what weight outsert Aaron is shooting?
Why do heavy! Seems a bit redundant tbh. Love the content but definitely think ranch fairy is a bit of a ummmm fairy!
They do so heavy because they take all their advice from ranch fairy who knows nothing about tuning a bow and trying to make people believe that 600+ grain arrows is the only way to go..if you’re only worried about shooting whitetails out to 20 yards and trying to shoot it in the shoulder this is the way to go.. no matter how many actual experienced hunters show day in and day out that the cons out weigh the pros of their setups, the cult following that guy has is unreal
I shot a 174" monster whitetail with a light fast arrow and a mech. Head. My arrow bounced off the deer shoulder and landed 7 feet from the base of my tree. Can you explain that one? 🤔@@justinrodabaugh3746
@@justinrodabaugh3746 I agree 100%.
I wish you guys would actually spend a day with someone who knows how to tune a bow and knows how to actually achieve perfect arrow flight from tuning not just throwing so much weight on the front of the arrow that it covers up. You wouldn’t have to shoot full length heaviest spines arrows possible to achieve those results
The guys at Archery Field and Sports have helped us numerous times. Great shop ran by great people.
Ranch Fairy is a duck that loves to hear himself quack.
Does the high foc system work with crossbows as well
Does the .204 supernova arrow call for a special sized broadhead? As far as thread size and all?
It shouldn't. I shoot the Gemini's, and I'm pretty sure they use the same inserts (which do take standard threaded broadheads)
Warb, what was your elk arrow setup?
You do Not need a 631 grain arrow to kill white tail deer. That is a buffalo set up. And your arrow will not go passed 50 yards.
I'm not a heavy arrow guy, but I do test... my heaviest test set up was 702gr. I had no problem grouping at 60 yards.
Ya... they will. I shoot my 642gr arrows out to 60 all the time. Heavy arrows don't just fall out of the sky at 40yds like alot of the critics want you to believe. If you think they do... build some and try it
@@curtwatkins9520 I do want to build a set of arrows. In the 550 to 575 area. I just don't know what arrow to go wt. So many options
@@wcwcgarner2717 victory rip tko with ethics components, or Sirius Gemini with ethics components.
@@austinhall5933 thank you
48lbs
644gr total
200gr VPA single bevel
164fps 🤘🏻
What do y’all run for elk? Same set up?
Just got a new compound, gout victory rip tkos in 300sp, 75lb draw weight and 31” draw. I built my arrows at around 462gr. I have all 12 arrows within a .7gr range from high to low. I epoxied nails into the standard nocks to match the nocturnal nocks I’m using. I plan to shoot 100gr g5 montecs. I measured my FOC but can’t quite remember, I believe it’s 10-11%.
1) what’s your recommended foc?
2) how do I know where the switch point is in spine if based on arrow weight and foc? So if I want to get into the 550gr+ weight, at what point is my 300 spine too weak?
3) I have sparked an interest in the single bevel heads. Watching the potato test, I believe ranch fairy used inserts with bearings. If I wanted to shoot single bevels, would I need inserts with bearings? My bow clocks counterclockwise so I fletched with a counterclockwise helical. so I’d have to loctite any tips/broadheads. Is that sufficient or do I need to get different inserts.
4) I’ve never killed a deer in archery. Is a 462gr arrow with montecs a decent arrow? I just don’t want to wound/lose a deer because my arrow is too light
I’ve killed deer with a Rip 300 steel inserts and 125 Montecs. Does awesome. Big holes. Goes through bone on deer. Tough broadhead, easy to sharpen on flat stone. Stiff Light arrows with steel on the front work awesome. Get there faster too. I’ve shot all angles and even right through shoulders. Arrow tracks straight and goes into the ground on the other side.
462 grains is a good setup but at 75 lbs at 31" there's no way your 300 spines are stiff enough. You have plenty of poundage and draw to go heavier. You will have a quieter bow and still have great speed with a 500-550 grain arrow. You need to have 250 spines and you'll need to cut that 250 down even further if you go to 550 grains. Remember you really can't be too stiff but can absolutely be too weak. Alway air on the stiffer side. Paper tune and bareshaft tune your arrows.
where's Jake ?
He just got married!
He was secretly using Shwackers and they banished him from THP😅.
Did Ted get taller? Smh 😂
Awesome I have the adapt plus and Sirius 300’s 125 stinger, SEVR 1.75,mega meat 125
Great information love the content!!!!!
Lots of love goes in every arrow at sirius
where is jake?
I’m short guy here I guess with My 27” draw. Going to move away from my 365 grain arrows closer to 500g. Anyone tried the Easton 6.0.
❤❤ Great Video ❤❤
Iv got a bear legit it’s 68lb draw im using 400 spine 100grain broadhead the arrow is only around 200grain with the length it’s cut but im only shooting 278fps how fast are your arrows being that heavy?
Ya man. Your probably under spined. You Souris probably be shouting a 300 spine and don't worry about speed so much. Both my bows I hunt with shoot about 250fps with around 600gr arrows
Let's go! 🏹
Great stuff!
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I just can't bring myself to do the heavy arrows. Tried a heavier setup last year and didn't have very good results, but everyone is different. They certainly work for a lot of people.
Serious question, what did you not have good results with? I'm assuming you're talking accuracy?
Bingo man! All comes down to trying a little bit of everything and see what works best for you! It's funny most of these guys are shooting around the same draw and bow specs but all of them shoot different arrow setups. Some of the older hunting shows felt like everyone shot the exact same bow, arrow, broadhead and everything. I like that these guys all use whatever works for them!
Jist go with good middle of the road, good spine and straightness and tuned bow. You can still have good FOC without shooting a crazy heavy arrow thats not necessary, and you’ll have much flatter trajectory and better pin gapping and tape. Animals wont have nearly as much time to move, and if you get a range wrong or they take couple steps the arrow will be much more forgiving than this heavy Ranch Fairy BS. He admitted whole reason he did that was to make up for poorly tuned bows
@@twysted_catalyst9096 actually tuning and penetration. Had a shoulder hit on a whitetail that maybe got a few inches in. My 370gr setup with the same head has always zipped through, even a shoulder hit.
@@Orr_sshoot whatever works for you. If you have a bowpress and the time and money to have all fancy equipment to work on your own bow then go for it. I don't have a bow press and all the fancy tools and I only have one bow shop that is even remotely close to me. I think that is probably the majority of regular bowhunters. He has helped me alot and has helped alot of average bowhunters that just want to hunt and still get great arrow flight and have maximum penetration.
After your last video I already ordered some single bevels and went with a different arrow set up. Should be somewhere between 450 and 470 grains. I'm hesitant to go over 500, lot of open country and 50+ yard shots out here.
It's definitely doable above 500! I'm shooting ~525 grains and am able to shoot out to 80 yards with no problem with a 28 inch draw and 68 lbs draw weight. I wouldn't go above 575 tho if you want to have pins that go beyond 60 yards
You don’t need anything over 480gr, this ranch dickle dude is just a comedian.
So we choose the arrow that companies send to us to shill for. Got it
We tested the arrows for 3 years without any strings attached along with several other brands before agreeing to any sort of sponsorship deal.
Ranch Fairy is the man!!