Jordan Peterson on Diversity
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There are more differences within groups than between them.
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The only diversity that is absolutely vital is diversity of ideas. Sadly that concept seems to have been forgotten somewhere down the line. That's why the world needs intellectuals like Dr. Peterson.
Sarcastic Space Leopard diversity of ideas is dangerous diversity of creativity art and music etc... never ideas, the problem with the world is ideas. Your assumption is totally opposite the world is full with ideas and that’s the problem
@@mmc5261 it's not about the quantity of ideas it's about how the ideas are handled. Every idea should be given a fair trial. The bad ones we should use to learn what not to do, and the good ones we should use to learn what is beneficial. The inferior ideas should be suppressed, but only after fair critique and only the superior ideas should be used and maintained, untill proven wrong, of course.
@@mmc5261 not if we are able to talk about them openly honestly and are able to reach a concensus,
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And how do you suppose one goes about getting diverse ideas? Go ahead and let that one ponder buddy.....
Jordan is drawing an inconclusive argument from two unattached themes.
"The fundamental racist idea is that there's more difference across groups than among individuals". I can't agree more.
There are more differences across groups than individuals. Why do you think people self segregate? Ever been a minority in a group?
Mark Bishop You obviously don’t understand the premise of the quote.
That has to be the whitest thing I've ever heard
Valentina This has to be the most racist comment I’ve ever heard.
@@gibbonbasher8171 Bruh, I'm white
People who claim JP is "the dumb guy's smart guy" are just afraid of his intellect. Or just willfully ignorant themselves.
They should just dumb guys get him too!
Or ideologically possessed
I really don't get these multiculural types. If you do mention that there are differences between different peoples biologically, such as sub-saharan africans tending to have greater endurance and strength than a japanese person, for example, they'll say you're a racist and that all races are exactly the same, it is only culture which is different... and then they say we need racial diversity in everything, extreme affirmative action etc. - without regard for the varying culture that people of different races may have.
Then if you say there is diversity of culture between people from poland and wisconsin and wales, well you're wrong they're all white so they count as one.
It's madness.
Useful idiots want diversity
No one is the same. And no one will ever be.
That is because culture and race are not the same thing my friend . I understand your confusion. The multicultural types avoid race in its entirety and they tend to be white and liberal to evade accountability for the consequences of racial hierarchy in its entirety. Conservatives tend to adopt the colorblind approach, where there is no race and only the human race, thus too avoiding the consequences of racial hierarchy. We need to go back to address race as race and as a relevant characteristic of social stratification so we can then move forward.
This idea has been implanted in the western world on purpose, it's meant to erase individuality and culture and create a melting pot of cultures, creating a group of people with no ancestry and belonging. This generation will have no soul, and will be easier to subvert and conquer.
If you really wanted diversity, then you’d be prepared to accept the fact that racism, sexism, inequality and discrimination exist and there’s nothing you can do to eradicate them. How can you possibly expect to have a diverse society without having both good and bad behaviour?
Diversity comes at the expense of unity.
@@AownAli-xi8jq Diversity is great on paper, but certainly not in practice... unfortunately.
I guess I'll pack my bags and go back to asia, despite being born in canada...
finally! somebody is telling what I realized as logical conclusion
Those that argue for equity do so on the basis of everyone being inherently equal, but they are the very people who will argue that social group diversity is essential because we're all different and unique.
this morning, during the first part of our two-part series, we talked about two different things. First, our discussion about our own experience with the "Diversity" In our community. We also talked about the fact that our community is not yet ready for what I want to say. Second, what I learned from my first interview. It is not easy to talk about people who are a diverse body of knowledge. We just have to be real friends with ourselves, not just a bunch of white dudes. I've been in the community long enough to know some of the people who are a bit less like me. A lot of the people i've met are people who are mostly straight. As with the gay community, the black community, the hispanic community, they are more like me than other straight people who are straight. We talk about how people from different parts of the planet do not like each other. We talk about how different cultures differ, how different cultures are built with different methods of worship. We talk about how people from different places in the world do not like each other. Even though we have different accents and we are not the same people. When you think of people who are "Diversity," You get a sense of how much it is hard for them to see themselves when they are not "Diverse." People of color, even in the same country, are different.
diversity is great when it comes in naturally, when you force it... it's hell
40 years ago my mother commented to one of our friends from China that "most Chinese are very smart" - his response (and he was a doctor) is that no, only the Chinese you have met are smart ones (ones which have the initiative to leave everything, move to another country and start over for a good reason). There are the same unambitious in China as in all other countries. So Adolph Hitler and Billy Graham are both white men while Idi Amin and Martin Luther King Jr are both black men, but Idi and Adolph are more alike in behavior as are Billy Graham and Martin Luther King Jr.
Its called sampling bias.
When i was asking why diversity was a good idea.. I got bumper sticker slogans... I asked why over and over again and there was no answer i was given... And i was called a racist for my question
Don't listen to these leftist they have no idea what they are taking about. Diversity is not good
It's not that diversity is bad. It's just that there is no need to enforce it just to get a quota. you shouldn't hire someone who is incompetent just because they are black over a competent person just because they're white. If you just hire who is competent, and you end up with a diverse group of people.. Then great!
Does anyone have any academic links to the points he is making regarding his stances on any or all of his points?
His arguments are often dogmatic and tend to lead nowhere and tailored to fit a narrative.
Look up the James Demour memo. He links to the research there.
My government agency is doing just this... they are hiring a bunch of new people but they are prioritizing the selection and hiring of women and people of color because, and i quote, "it is extremely important for aviation safety for us to have a diversity of experience."
Let's set aside that this notion assumes that if you look like somebody else, you have the same "experiences" as them... My question is this: AT WHAT POINT HAVE WE ACHIEVED THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF DIVERSITY? If workplaces are trying to engineer the cosmetic makeup of their workforces, what is the goal? What are the right percentages? Idiots.
This is a breath of fresh air, I was in a poly sci class with a group talking about the need for diversity quotas and it sat with me so wrong. I tried to gently point out the issues and said I thought that 'diversity of character' was more valuable. I'm seriously grateful for this video because it mended the gaps in my confusion on the topic. Maybe soon I will be brave enough to better stand up for my perspectives on diversity- I think it will be important in my sector and employment. I have seen a number of job opportunities that say they are preferring POC or women, and while I think uplifting marginal groups and giving people opp[ortunities is a good thing, I don't think sacrificing the better candidate because they didn't meet some quota is right at all... you're just trying to get a mix of people that 'looks different'... but have you checked that they actually are?
Interesting fact: At my family member's job-site, their goal is to achieve diversity - Transgender, other sexual oriented individuals, and racial groups; but their workplace is a revolving door where many individuals come and go because the company has overlooked performance and quality.
Somebody should explain this to Justin Trudeau!!
What about biological differences between races?
I feel like he's avoiding the topic cause it's too risky to talk about.
It is proven that biological differences within "races" are greater than across "races". So it is intellectually dishonest to entertain the thought that there is anything necessary to account for there. In fact, the truth proves the point he makes - differences are greater within a given group than they are among people randomly selected from across all groups.
That would be a valid point if humans didn't have a free will that could overcome any biological tendencies if those tendencies weren't negligible (which they are.)
The fully developed individual over comes those differences.
@@jonasrand6818 that is so self evidently false it's hilarious. Go to the hood or Africa, or China and tell me if you still feel that way.
If he is speaking about biological differences, I want to tell one significant biological difference. Research says people with higher testosterone level are those who incline to take more risk - which is found to be detrimental as well.
Keeping aside minuscule of the fraction of intersex conditions, MEN are those with elevated testosterone level.
I am a person, who basically is not a strong believer of the biological aspect when it comes to determining a persons ability to choose his/her field of work. But definitely would like to bring this aspect also to the forefront.
You’re not a strong believer of the biological aspect? There is scientific literature that demonstrates that there is, researched by people with your same bias.
What I've been noticing by my interactions with people across the globe, I've seen people with my viewpoints and people with a viewpoint that i dislike but which is the same as the viewpoint of someone from my own country and culture that I dislike. Which got me to thinking that there are underlying human traits that defines us as people.
So I'm all in for open borders and diversity of cultures, but in this race for being seen as a diverse, accepting society you've let in people whose viewpoints don't align and it's become menacing. Countries allow people in without forcing their view of how their society is onto people who are radically different. This just ends up causing more violence, because some people just by their nature feel entitled.
@Drewskey if one can ascertain beyond doubt that this is this person's inclination then ofcourse not
The only thing that doesn’t make sense to me when it comes to Jordan Peterson is how someone can make so much sense.
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@@mcfcfan1870 😯
What’s the most diverse institution in the modern world you can think of: University. We need more educated people in the world so that more diverse ideas work in favour of the human kind. We’re all striving for a better tomorrow so that our unborn children don’t weep in sickness or suffering. Regardless of where you’re from xenophobia affects every culture. Once you’re a minority the only diversity you’ll see is the constant dumbfounded stares of ones new car or impressive career. Guess what, they’re people who talk before they think, mostly. Being displaced “all over your naked bodies” should be the past in your motherland. We should be working hard so the next generation sleeps better and that greed and civil unrest is the old world. Inconvenience and Privileges shouldn’t be our guilt but pride.
Except that there is so little diversity of thought in Universities (at least in America) that they are the most lock-step thinkers in the world.
I need links the literature he mentions.
Dear Jordan,
Ideas and attitudes are often culturally conditioned. Individuals do not exist in some imaginary vacuum. In fact, one's environment in which s/he develops is just as much a factor of that person's ideas as anything else. Get with it, Prof!
"Effective counselors understand their own cultural conditioning, the conditioning of their clients, and the sociopolitical system of which they are a part. Acquiring this understanding begins with counselors’ awareness of the cultural origins of any values, biases, and attitudes they may hold. Counselors from all cultural groups must examine their expectations, attitudes, biases, and assumptions about the counseling process and about persons from diverse groups. Recognizing our biases and prejudices takes courage because most of us do not want to acknowledge that we have cultural biases. Everyone has biases, but being unaware of the biased attitudes we hold is an obstacle to client care. It takes a concerted effort and vigilance to monitor our biases, attitudes, and values so that they do not interfere with establishing and maintaining successful counseling relationships.
A major part of becoming a diversity-competent counselor involves challenging the idea that the values we hold are automatically true for others. We also need to understand how our values are likely to influence our practice with diverse clients who embrace different values. Furthermore, becoming a diversity-competent practitioner is not something that we arrive at once and for all; rather, it is an ongoing process."
Somebody should try explaining this to Justin Trudeau!!!
There is more diversity from one individual to another than there is from one group to another. Therefore restricting immigration on the premise that your cultures/ideas are incompatible doesn't hold water according to Dr Peterson. He literally used ethnicity as one of the examples.
Ethnicity - noun
the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.
Yuh
Oh okay Women and Men are different!
And most of the libtards today don’t even know that 🤣🤣🤣
@@AownAli-xi8jq talking to me?
*generic anti-sjw comment*
_predictable sjw response_
don't get how to interpret this video for my own personal use.
the thinker Watch it AGAIN.
It's unfortunate how Jordan Peterson has attracted so many white nationalist and racists. Peterson is saying that inter-racially we're more similar to one another than within a single race, but racists will always state huge mental differences even though some of their evidence actually points to the opposite conclusion.
The white nationalists HATE Peterson because he is leading people AWAY from white nationalism.
so i guess he should just lie about the truth then, because the truth is not politically correct?
Yeah Peterson is trash who cares not if whites become a hated minority in their own countries. those other racial groups categorically refuse to give up their collective identity, but whites are expected to as they are cast as the sole cause of the worlds problems? Looking at the ethnicity of his wife it becomes pretty obvious why he pushes that thinking.
@@MMDelta9 You are correct. I'm Chinese and I love Peterson's pragmatism and adherence to recognising reality, and able to define that clearly.
Diversity is not including blacks in everything... You can have a group of all whites, or all browns in 1 room, and still be diverse... Diversity is the different traditions, cultures, and attributes 1 grew up into; and being involved in 1 environment...
Cant physical diversity deminish peoples superficial racism?
But in a society with diversity in financial security does it provide people with only superficial intelligence more fickle concepts of differences rather than commonality?
Interesting point. The more you see different races, the more you'll realize how different this group can be individually.
Now I may be wrong, but Diversity was actually an old, old wooden ship from the civil war era..
We are hell bent to achieve mediocrity.
Competence Diversity! not sex, race etc
I don't know why people don't understand that by choosing people simply because the color of their skin or their gender isn't discrimination
Why isn’t the right wing trying to promote more equality between men and women if it will make everyone jump to traditional gender roles then? Left right unity. Both can support implementing feminist politics like in sweden and we get happy egalitarian people (like the left wing wants) who follow traditional gender roles (like the right wing wants) but voluntarily.
If only one kind/gender/race was optimal, there would not be all these kinds of humans. How would world go around if all of us were white, rich, corporate men?
Who would they have kids with? Who would work for them, make their products or services, who would educate their kid and build their car, house or road?
WORLD NEEDS DIVERSITY, but we need to get along even though we have differences. We have to unite across one set of rules that are set equally for everyone to follow.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID
Whatever we are aware or happy about that, we prefer to live with people of the same race.
I have no doubt that if I left my job I would be replaced by a coloured transgender young women. In fact there are only 2 men Managers left at work. We are so diverse we are now a gay organisation- very diverse.
Diversity, Inclusion, Equity, all different names for QUOTAS! Let's stop the injustice of DIE.
When he said Asian i started listening haha
Never knew you liked Asians, Chief
t's nothing more than racial quotas. They just destroyed the schools for the academically gifted in NYC because certain "groups" didn't make the grade. So, rather than encourage the "groups' to study harder (like the Asian students do), they eliminated the entry qualifications in favor of a lottery system. They in effect numbed down the elite schools. I don't know what other country in the world would do such a self defeating thing, particularly in light of the fact that the USA rates 22nd in the world when it comes to math and science. Anyway, it was done to meet racial quotas. So much with a color blind, merit based society.
If you have a group of people that all think the same way, who are right in general 99% of the time, and you happen to give them a question that they get wrong, then you get the wrong answer. But if you give this same question to a million neuro diverse people who are each right only 51% of the time, you can expect around 510000 correct answers. And the probability of getting over 500000 correct answers is more than 99%. So the diverse million voting method using a neuro diverse population of weak learners outperforms a non-diverse population of strong learners. This is why diversity isn't just a communist plot.
It would be better to just ignore race and culture and create diversity in the skills you have in your group.
But people will identify themselves based on their race, culture or ethnicities. People want INDENTITY (being part of a community, group, race, culture....)
@@YouYou-sm8tf Get into a community of skills then. Those are what hobby communities are.
@@davecullins1606 Skills aren't unchangeable compared to Ethnicities, race or culture. You can change a community of skills easier
@@YouYou-sm8tf So much more reason to get into one - you can always train your way up to qualify for entry, unlike with those other types of communities.
@@asdf1991asdf There is a reason why we were separated by race, region, culture, ethnicities, languages, education, politics....
Because we want to be with those who are like us, think like us, behave like us. That's where our pride is.
Everyone needs to re-read the actual definition.
Diversity/Inclusion
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/dəˌskriməˈnāSH(ə)n/ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
1.
the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
"victims of diversity"
example:
Tanner (Caucasian), wanted to play Santa Clause in an upcoming role in the Christmas play. DeShawn (you know) Also wanted to be Santa in the play, because a girl named Becky (Caucasian) was playing the girl that sat on Santa's lap. Tanner spent months practicing his acting, and memorizing his lines, while DeShawn spent his time smoking pot, and writing rap lyrics. On the day of auditions Debbie (feminist/leftist/racist) who was running the play, chose DeShawn before the auditions even started. This was for reasons of inclusion, and to show Her woke friends that the school supported diversity. Becky got Herpes.
The diversity in millennial interests is likened to their equally diverse tastes in music. Read peopleHum’s interview with Peter Cook where he discusses the importance of diversity and focusing on organizational goals. ruclips.net/video/opAetndlr2U/видео.html
The narrative of D.E.I. assumes facts not in evidence, that minorities are victims of systemic discrimination, and that simply isn’t true.
Diversity is about recognition of minority groups based upon arbitrary (racist or discriminatory) markers, AND CATEGORIZING INDIVIDUALS INTO GROUPS BASED UPON IDENTITY RATHER THAN MERIT.
Equity is about equality of outcomes rather than equality of opportunities. In other words, it is NOT merit based. It is identity based, and this is NOT fair. It seeks to distribute favourable outcomes based upon identity, rather than merit, and this a disastrous recipe for failure.
Inclusion is about using discriminatory practices to EXCLUDE individuals from participation based upon merit or competence, and to INCLUDE individuals based upon identity in spite of lack of merit or competence, AND THIS IS PREJUDICIAL AND DISCRIMINATORY.
D.E.I. in a nutshell.
So the answer is to give males and females equal rights.
To play devil’s advocate- On the other hand women and men (and black people and white people) will have had different experiences in life. There is to a degree a female experience or a male experience, so maybe women can bring something to the table that men might not have considered?
I’d still agree there are more differences of experience within groups than between them. But some of the differences between groups will be different to the ones within them- there’ll be some things that women have experienced that almost no men will have and vice versa. So perhaps there could be a benefit to diversity? Not that I think preferential hiring and quotas are a good way to go about enforcing that. I’m not even sure that it’s worth enforcing. But also, what do you do about employers bias (away from women) when hiring?
"On the other hand women and men (and black people and white people) will have had different experiences in life. There is to a degree a female experience or a male experience, so maybe women can bring something to the table that men might not have considered?"
Granting that assertion- the differences experienced by individual women or black people will still be more substantial. The only way that your statement is universally true is if we take women and black people (and every other demographic under the sun) as individuals. We have to do that anyway because the black business owner is going to have a different life compare to the black heroine addict.
diversity is discrimination
*change my mind*
And there's me thinking diversity was an old old wooden ship that was used during the civil war era
So glad I did not pay to go and watch this guy speak...
Ironically enough, you probably should.
Why do you say so?
What if I told you that you could have a diverse workforce and a meritocracy at the very same time? It is actually very easy to achieve when you don't automatically assume white men are universally the most "meritorious."
I can't with how dumb this is
Aah, diversity. Just like we see in nature: zebras living with polar bears, lions, grasshoppers and cows. Yes...
I actually searched for a video like this to get his ideas about diversity from his own mouth. Talk about a straw man argument ... 😐.
Who or what is being straw-manned here?
My problem is he poo poos diversity of race etc, says we need diverse opinions, abilities etc but doesn't say how to achieve that diversity. If the way we go about diversity now is wrong what is the right way?
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Oh dear! Come again.. This sound like they might've causalLy created The pms monster. Mhohhahhahhaaa
Speak english!
Kermit the fraud
Oooooohhhh scathing.
But tell us how you really feel.
Ok. Look at voting demographics. You are gonna argue there is no correlation here. That the voting differences are gonna be just as likely amongst individuals than race and other factors. Easy. I mean what is black female voting for democrat percentage? Almost 90%?
I'm sure Jordan would happy having no diversity there, democrats for 1000 years.
totally disagree
Being white or black is not a category of race; it is a culture. We are all of the human race with diverse cultures. I like my culture; hence, I must be a culturist.
White or black are not cultures. I knew a white woman who was born and raised in Kenya only to immigrate to Canada (a country whiter than Edgar Winter in a snow storm). So which culture is she, white or black?