Agreed. It explains that Kreese isn't heartless; rather, he deliberately shuts himself off from all feelings and all sympathy. But this would've weakened him as the big bad of season 3.
Y'know, Kreese is kinda right, Johnny lost his focus because he was blinded by his love for Ali. You could make out that it connects to one of the episodes of Season 1 where Johnny was telling Miguel HIS side of the story.
Yeah totally. The only solution was to painfully injury Daniel with a knee kick by Bobby. I believed that it was his pride that was on the line and didn't have faith that Johnny would be able to beat him
@@thiefofjustice4495 To a degree, I'm sure Kreese's pride played a factor, but season 2-4 of Cobra Kai does seem to indicate that Kreese's decisions often have to deal with him wanting to set Johnny on his look of the "correct" path and I think he was convinced Johnny's confidence was never the same after getting humbled by Mr. Miyagi, so he wanted to take matters into his own hands rather than risk it.
Kreese may be merciless as a Cobra Kai but as for his advice on how blind love can be a distraction and make anyone lose focus, he does have a point on that one. It was well said that certain feelings that are left unchecked can cause any fighter to lose focus on what's important
@@KTTstudios Vader in my eyes isn’t a villain he’s a broken man that lost everything and is just hanging onto life through grief and rage. Kinda sad rlly.
This scene would be absolutely perfect for season 4. Because why does Robby lose in the finalé? He had Hawk under him and was about to strike in sudden death, he lost because he lost focus, just like his father. Also, in the end, he proves that he is not Cobra Kai material. Here we see Kreese tell Robby to push everyone away and lock up your heart, but in the end we see him open up his heart, get vulnerable and break down in front of his father.
@@ermanbumaguin8063 not really, all that was on his Mind was feeling responsible for Kenny. Even when Johnny told him to not let it eat him up it was only a Match he didn't care as he explained that it was Kenny.
@@BumblebeeTuna8 I completley agree. At the end of S1 you can see that Robby was sad that he lost because he wanted to show his dad that he is better without him. He failed. At the end of S4 you can clearly see that he doesn´t really care about the lose of the tournament because as a character he has grown way beyond a highschool tournament and cares about the people which he wants to help.
@@darklondon4425 notice he was ruthless with Kenny but soft against Eli. Because of his ruthlessness against Kenny it in turn caused Kenny to be ruthless which he felt guilty for.
This is an interesting scene as Kreese manages to unknowingly contradict himself by allowing Johnny back into his heart which Terry Silver later points out.
Not really, no one is consistent every day real life. Most of the advice we gives others(especially those mentor) are based on the experiencing the consequences from our bad decsisios (e.g. "Dont make the decsision because i did it and this what happened.").
There were a few things wrong with this scene. The kicks from Kreese looked weak despite the fact that Kreese is supposed to be a very powerful old man, and the line about Johnny being in love didn't make sense considering Robby has no idea who Ali is.
@@DrOrr I don't know about that to be honest. The current Johnny is bigger and stronger but 1984 Johnny was way faster and more athletic. It could go either way. Your physical prime is usually late 20's-early 30's though and Johnny wasn't even training at the time.
"If you want to tap into your full potential, you must shut everything else out, and strike." man i don't like this sentiment but i really like how it gives us an insight into Krees' mindset (Robby also does do this in the tournament tho, RIP Kenny 💀)
I think it was a good decision to have this scene removed entirely. The scene doesn't make too much sense. Kreese seems to put too much blame on the love triangle. When from Johnny's perspective, he seems to think he lost because the kick was illegal, and thinks that victory only happens 1/10 times and Daniel just got lucky that day. Sure, Johnny blames his loss at the tournament for him losing Ali, but he never hints to being distracted by her. Kreese never brings this up in season 4 nor does he bring this up any other time during the show, so it feels forced.
That's the very first time I consider John kreese gave an accurate message. If we want to do our best we must keep our emotions under control in order to keep our minds clear, being focused and balanced is key to achieve any goal.
That's kinda hypocritical coming from the guy who threw a tantrum over a 2nd place trophy, kicks students out for lame reasons, sent kids to break into a house all because Miguel and Sam saved the tournament, and retraumatized his best friend (Silver) by bringing up one of the most horrific moments of his life over a lesson for the class.
@@mattholt2451 Johnny never should've lost a single point in that fight. He was the defending champ and far more experienced than Daniel, plus he was in top shape while Daniel was injured.
Tanner should've sold Martin's kick into the bag a little more. My first instructor, a Vietnam vet and former Marine DI, could kick a shield so hard he'd knock you three or four steps back. He maintained that power into his 70's. The man just knew how to get every ounce of his weight behind his strikes. As a character, Kreese should be on about that level.
Maybe that's why they cut the scene. The kicks didn't look super convincing. But yeah look up videos of Bill Superfoot Wallace. That's how Kreese should be.
Season 5 just proved how wrong Kreese is about love being a weakness. Johnny's love for Robby and his new family (the Diaz family) gave him the 2nd wind he needed to take Silver's minions down, the same guys who are the suppose to be the best senseis that the Kim Sun-Yung dojo had to offer.
@@Aobix Thanks. Btw I thought of a prediction for the season 6 opening. Kreese gives a Darth Sidious or Thanos like speech, has a few flashbacks, helps train Kim Da-Eun's students for the Sekai Taikai and deludes himself into thinking that Daniel and Mr. Miyagi took everything from him (including Johnny). Next, we see the Valley, and Johnny wakes up, has breakfast with Robby and the Diaz family, drives Robby and Miguel to school, Miguel and Robby check up on their girlfriends, Kenny, Anthony, and Devon try to navigate their way around the high school. In other words, season 6 shows us that while Kreese is deluding himself and letting himself get stuck like cement by the past, Johnny and everyone else are moving forward with their happy lives and not letting anything like rivalries holding them back. What do you think?
Kreese had his problems, and they were HUGE!!!!!!!!, but I have to agree with him here, especially on staying focused, and never letting his guard down.
A few friends of mine were talking about Cobra Kai and Harry Potter and it got me to thinking. Kreese is a true Slytherin. He's cold and calculating, some may even say evil. But he's protective of his students, all of his students.
@@kellentaylor7315 let’s be honest stingray was never going to be allowed to perform in the tournament anyways he was a grown man against kids they would never have let it happen I feel like kreese still liked him but he was annoyed when he kept coming at the wrong time like when they were training kreese said “we’re trynna train for a tournament here” and he didn’t really wanna put him on the spot but had to also I feel like kreese wouldn’t do anything to physically hurt stingray Terry silver beat the shit out of him but I feel like after kreese awoken Terry’s evil from inside him before he tried being reasonable
@@kellentaylor7315 Kreese got arrested for attempt murder of Stingray, but Terry Silver was the one who beat up Stingray to a pulp, not Kreese. Side Note: Stingray is a fucking IDIOT for still wanting to be a part of Cobra Kai after what Terry Silver did to him.
@@BballNintendo3 nope, I meant Johnny only, cement truck training, jumping over the roof, get your ass save from dog bitting, firing in the shoelace of a disabled kid, kicking kids in their balls the list goes on all these things are worse than the kreese and silver training combined. If not for the dojo war, Johnny would be the most dangerous thing in his students' lives. Heck, even with the dojo war, he might be the one giving them more bruises overall.
I love how Robby was being trained by both hardcore senseis. He was trained by ice and fire. Basically he was learning from two senseis who were both very passionate about their styles of karate. He learned about peace and balance from Miyagi-Do and learned about being assertive and control from Cobra Kai. Cobra Kai might be deadlier than Miyagi-Do but it’s lessons aren’t as strong as miyagi-do’s. Each character that trained in both dojos was able to overcome bad habits they learned from Cobra Kai by training Miyagi-Do. Robby was first in MD and joined CK after and in the end the Miyagi-Do lessons were able to save him from going down a dark path. Overall I would say CK is more brutal and probably more powerful physically but when it comes to the character development I would say Miyagi-Do is better.
I hate when people say things like this, as if Love is a choice. He THOUGHT He was in Love? He’s still thinking about her 30 years later. I’d say He KNEW He was in Love.
@@blacjackdaniels200 my theory is that you're smoking some hard shit and it's probably more correct than whatever mumbo jumbo you typed up in that essay i didn't read past "theory here on youtube"
@@OnlyDylan17 he had a 3 page essay or something describing a KK conspiracy theory he saw on RUclips. i didn't bother reading the rest beyond that. it appears he deleted it, and that is definitely the smartest thing hes done all week lol
"There wasn't a kick on earth that could have stopped Johnny Lawrence in his prime," Kreese reflected, his voice carrying a rare vulnerability. He had no children of his own, and Johnny had grown up without a father. In this moment, Kreese wasn't speaking as a Sensei but as a proud parent. Cobra Kai, in its way, reveals these poignant backstories. Kreese himself had never known his father; his single mother tragically ended her own life. His heartache continued as he lost his beloved Betsy while serving in Vietnam. These hardships had shaped him into a flawed yet commendable human being. At one point, he had nearly given up on life, finding himself in shelters, until Johnny reminded him never to surrender. Like father, like son... The real lesson lies not in Johnny's defeat by the advanced Crane Technique, but in how he momentarily let his guard down. He was weary, torn by inner conflict-a struggle that resonates with many of us who continue to battle in our own lives. Our fight isn't fueled by a love for combat or a desire for pain; rather, it's a quest to end the conflict so that we no longer have to fight. This philosophy brings us full circle to Miyagi-Do, where the ultimate goal is peace and harmony.
Just because your student loses doesn’t mean you can hurt them what Kreese did back then he definitely was not aware of a lot things and started causing trouble!
This makes perfect sense, especially on season 4 where Johnny was able to stop that ancient Miyagi pressure point trick that Chozen taught Daniel let alone land a point ( not to mention he never saw the move before)
Are you guys seeing what Kreese sees AFTER he gets done talking to Robby.. the kicks got LOUDER and Denser meaning Robby utilized putting his focus on them kicks . Kreese didn't say his technique needed change, he just told Robby to lean in on his training more and stop worrying about everything outside of the all training
It always amazes me how little defense all of them put up when kicking or punching. No matter what they do, their head is always uncovered and ready to get punched.
dammm this seen would of made a big difference bc in fact robbies downfall an weakness has been hes distraction,a focus robbie is unstopabble as we seen against demitri an kenny...but in season 4 kenny was hes distraction along with all the hate he had for johnny an miguel
In 1984 Final, Johnny lost bcoz he chose to lose. Kreese is wrong to assume that it was Johnny's love for Ali, that caused him to lose focus. But I would say that Johnny was destined to lose anyway irrespective of Kreese's order of "Sweep the Leg". If anything, Johnny should be appreciative of the fact that Kreese's intervention lessened the humiliation of his defeat. Just imagine what would've happend if Johnny had lost against Daniel 3-0.
@John Smith Johnny lost the Final Tournament on purpose. Kreese's order to "Sweep the Leg" sort of broke something within him. While he did gain points later on ultimately evening the score but in the end Johnny simply decided to throw the match.
@John Smith Johnny's love for Ali was practically non existent post the beach brawl. I highly doubt that Johnny was so much in love that he chose to throw the Tournament Final, that too against his bitter Rival.
@John Smith Alright. Explain it to me, Why do you think that Johnny's loss in the Tournament Final was caused by his love for Ali? Bcoz in the 1984 Film itself, post the beach brawl there is virtually no interaction between Ali and Johnny, except the Hotel Slow-Dance where Johnny catches Daniel spying on the former with Ali and Johnny forcibly tries to kiss Ali, only to get socked right in the face. We never see Johnny nor Ali make amends at any point throughout the film.
@@ruturajshiralkar5566 No no Jonny didn't loose it on purpose! Kreese was saying that because he was in so infatuated with Ali his mind was all messed up and he wasn't focused!
Robby never fully took this lesson to hear. That is a good thing, because Robby’s greatest strength/ weakness is his compassion for others! (Excluding Miguel during school fight) That is what makes Robby a good person @ his core!
They should bring back the referee (Pat E. Johnson) in Karate Kid (original movie) . Kreese cared about Johnny that he paid the referee off in Karate Kid so that Johnny could lose so Johnny could feel defeat and focus on karate instead of girls and Daniel. That is why the referee allowed the illegal crane kick so Johnny lost. That is why Kreese walked passed Daniel and Mr Myagi after the fight and just gave them a look. Then he went straight to Johnny to scold him and ruff him up. For the next season, the old referee feels bad about what he did to Johnny after hearing how his life turned out and wanted to make amends. This truth Daniel hears and now there is a rift in their new found friendship that Johnny actually would have won. Kreese paid off the referee so Johnny Lawrence could focus. Just like in his explanation in this deleted scene to Robby.
And why would he Kreese pay the ref to lose? One of his mottos are no losers in this dojo. Crane kick isn’t illegal, Dutch and Johnny kicked Daniel and got a point
Even mr. miyagi would agree with kreese on the bit that in the end Johnny chose to let his emotions get the better of him. It wouldn’t even matter if what move Daniel made next even if it wasn’t the crane kick Johnny would still lose because unlike Johnny Daniel had focus which is actually the same thing with mike Barnes.
I think they should've used this in Season 4. The lesson Kreese teaches here I'd one of balance, and I think that draws a distinct parallel to Mr Miyagi.
@@jamainegardner4193 kreese fooled himself, untill the moment in the tournament with tory, he realized that it was up to her, just like it was up to johnny until he gave him the sweep the leg order that costed johnny to lose his balance
This actually really humanises him, probably a wise choice cutting it out of season 3 when he only really comes around in season 4 though
True
Literally his whole back story humanises him.
@@fupalover not exactly, more explains why he’s become the way he has rather than showing the start of a redemption arc like this does
Agreed. It explains that Kreese isn't heartless; rather, he deliberately shuts himself off from all feelings and all sympathy. But this would've weakened him as the big bad of season 3.
this scene should be included in season 4, it match with the scene where he is start focusing when fighting kenny
Y'know, Kreese is kinda right, Johnny lost his focus because he was blinded by his love for Ali. You could make out that it connects to one of the episodes of Season 1 where Johnny was telling Miguel HIS side of the story.
Why did you call him “kinda right”
@@toothpasteface5110 Why what's wrong?
@@adityaravishankar7057 you said “kinda” and that means not really
@@toothpasteface5110 no it means sort of, not not really, his comment still works.
How dare you (greta thunberg)
It explains why kreese didn’t want Daniel to fight Johnny in the finals I can tell he firmly believes that
Yeah totally. The only solution was to painfully injury Daniel with a knee kick by Bobby. I believed that it was his pride that was on the line and didn't have faith that Johnny would be able to beat him
@@thiefofjustice4495 To a degree, I'm sure Kreese's pride played a factor, but season 2-4 of Cobra Kai does seem to indicate that Kreese's decisions often have to deal with him wanting to set Johnny on his look of the "correct" path and I think he was convinced Johnny's confidence was never the same after getting humbled by Mr. Miyagi, so he wanted to take matters into his own hands rather than risk it.
Then he should of let Bobby fight him Bobby probably would of won
@@TbA500N , kreese was scared that Bobby would beat Johnny in the finals, he wanted them both out of the equation
@@agnikaineverdies7646 .....ok I can see that
Kreese may be merciless as a Cobra Kai but as for his advice on how blind love can be a distraction and make anyone lose focus, he does have a point on that one. It was well said that certain feelings that are left unchecked can cause any fighter to lose focus on what's important
exactly in that case he was fighting for kenny and he got worried
That’s why his Captain in Vietnam was adamant about not telling him about Betsy’s death until it could make him vulnerable.
Kreese might be a villain but he still has a lot of wisdom and speaks sense most of the time. Pretty much like Thanos.
Agreed.
Word
Being a villain doesn't mean the character can't be wise
@@ermanbumaguin8063 darth vader
@@KTTstudios Vader in my eyes isn’t a villain he’s a broken man that lost everything and is just hanging onto life through grief and rage. Kinda sad rlly.
Kreese: “There isn’t a kick on earth that could’ve stopped Johnny Lawrence in his prime”
Crane Kick: Am I a….?
Kreese: YESS! You are a joke to me!
Kinda like his kicks in this vid. Can you say telegraphed?
This scene would be absolutely perfect for season 4. Because why does Robby lose in the finalé? He had Hawk under him and was about to strike in sudden death, he lost because he lost focus, just like his father. Also, in the end, he proves that he is not Cobra Kai material. Here we see Kreese tell Robby to push everyone away and lock up your heart, but in the end we see him open up his heart, get vulnerable and break down in front of his father.
Kenny is his Weakness.
He was nearly about to takedown Hawk until see Kenny cheer for him and that’s way he lost focus.
Too bad Robby didn't follow this advice in his Fight against Eli/Hawk. His Emotions got to him making him hesitant rather than aggressive.
The question is, did he even care that he lost the tournament?
@@ermanbumaguin8063 not really, all that was on his Mind was feeling responsible for Kenny. Even when Johnny told him to not let it eat him up it was only a Match he didn't care as he explained that it was Kenny.
Well technically this scene didn't happen so🤔😅
@@BumblebeeTuna8 I completley agree. At the end of S1 you can see that Robby was sad that he lost because he wanted to show his dad that he is better without him. He failed. At the end of S4 you can clearly see that he doesn´t really care about the lose of the tournament because as a character he has grown way beyond a highschool tournament and cares about the people which he wants to help.
@@darklondon4425 notice he was ruthless with Kenny but soft against Eli. Because of his ruthlessness against Kenny it in turn caused Kenny to be ruthless which he felt guilty for.
This is an interesting scene as Kreese manages to unknowingly contradict himself by allowing Johnny back into his heart which Terry Silver later points out.
Oh yeah I never thought about that. Nice catch.
Not really, no one is consistent every day real life. Most of the advice we gives others(especially those mentor) are based on the experiencing the consequences from our bad decsisios (e.g. "Dont make the decsision because i did it and this what happened.").
And then tries to manipulate Johnny at the prison
this really explores the reason why robby went “beast mode” against kenny after speaking to kreese
Kreese :There is one part of the body that u must always protect
Robby : Balls
Kreese is not just talking about Johnny but also himself
The fact that they have the same name definitely adds to that
They shouldn't have deleted that scene.
that gasp kreese did.....
There were a few things wrong with this scene. The kicks from Kreese looked weak despite the fact that Kreese is supposed to be a very powerful old man, and the line about Johnny being in love didn't make sense considering Robby has no idea who Ali is.
@@H.K.5 FRR
@@H.K.5 Fr “prime” implies peak, and Johnny Lawrence now would destroy the one from the first movie
@@DrOrr I don't know about that to be honest. The current Johnny is bigger and stronger but 1984 Johnny was way faster and more athletic. It could go either way. Your physical prime is usually late 20's-early 30's though and Johnny wasn't even training at the time.
This expression on robby face after every time kreese talk personally to him is menacing
The precursor to Kreese's face turn lol 😆
Interesting concept.
"If you want to tap into your full potential, you must shut everything else out, and strike."
man i don't like this sentiment but i really like how it gives us an insight into Krees' mindset
(Robby also does do this in the tournament tho, RIP Kenny 💀)
Its insane cause this scene forshadowed robby losing
I think it was a good decision to have this scene removed entirely. The scene doesn't make too much sense. Kreese seems to put too much blame on the love triangle. When from Johnny's perspective, he seems to think he lost because the kick was illegal, and thinks that victory only happens 1/10 times and Daniel just got lucky that day.
Sure, Johnny blames his loss at the tournament for him losing Ali, but he never hints to being distracted by her. Kreese never brings this up in season 4 nor does he bring this up any other time during the show, so it feels forced.
That's the very first time I consider John kreese gave an accurate message. If we want to do our best we must keep our emotions under control in order to keep our minds clear, being focused and balanced is key to achieve any goal.
He is not talking about keeping emotions under control, he is telling him to shut it off
That's kinda hypocritical coming from the guy who threw a tantrum over a 2nd place trophy, kicks students out for lame reasons, sent kids to break into a house all because Miguel and Sam saved the tournament, and retraumatized his best friend (Silver) by bringing up one of the most horrific moments of his life over a lesson for the class.
0:44 call back to Terry silver
Robby had to wake up and smell the coffee.
Johnny: "Kreese you prick! Only distracting thing was you telling me to cheat to win the tourney."
True I mean he clawed it back to 2-2 and had momentum on his side before sweeping the leg
@@mattholt2451 Johnny never should've lost a single point in that fight. He was the defending champ and far more experienced than Daniel, plus he was in top shape while Daniel was injured.
@@H.K.5 well plot armor
@@agnikaineverdies7646 Johnny would low mid diff Daniel lol. Daniel could beat most cobras except for tommy bob and johnny
@@kaddanki096 I agree Kk Johnny would beat Kk Daniel low midd diff.
"Empty your mind. Focus." - Mr Han.
Martin almost fell throwing that kick LOL
Its hard watching This because Now the Show feels empty without Terry sliver, he really stole the show
“A Jedi must never form attachments”
I’m guessing your here after BOBF episode 6
@@sonofthechosenone4335 why cause of Grogu
except Cobra Kai are pretty much Sith
@@philipharney8907 Yeah
Which is dumb because all jedi have attachments
Tanner should've sold Martin's kick into the bag a little more. My first instructor, a Vietnam vet and former Marine DI, could kick a shield so hard he'd knock you three or four steps back. He maintained that power into his 70's. The man just knew how to get every ounce of his weight behind his strikes. As a character, Kreese should be on about that level.
That sell looked incredibly fake, reminds me of when my 2 year old cousin punched me and I fell down on purpose lol
Maybe that's why they cut the scene. The kicks didn't look super convincing. But yeah look up videos of Bill Superfoot Wallace. That's how Kreese should be.
Kreese moves like a man battling bad arthritis
Season 5 just proved how wrong Kreese is about love being a weakness. Johnny's love for Robby and his new family (the Diaz family) gave him the 2nd wind he needed to take Silver's minions down, the same guys who are the suppose to be the best senseis that the Kim Sun-Yung dojo had to offer.
Fax
@@Aobix Thanks. Btw I thought of a prediction for the season 6 opening.
Kreese gives a Darth Sidious or Thanos like speech, has a few flashbacks, helps train Kim Da-Eun's students for the Sekai Taikai and deludes himself into thinking that Daniel and Mr. Miyagi took everything from him (including Johnny). Next, we see the Valley, and Johnny wakes up, has breakfast with Robby and the Diaz family, drives Robby and Miguel to school, Miguel and Robby check up on their girlfriends, Kenny, Anthony, and Devon try to navigate their way around the high school. In other words, season 6 shows us that while Kreese is deluding himself and letting himself get stuck like cement by the past, Johnny and everyone else are moving forward with their happy lives and not letting anything like rivalries holding them back. What do you think?
@@kevinthompson3569 absolutamente de acuerdo
Kreese had his problems, and they were HUGE!!!!!!!!, but I have to agree with him here, especially on staying focused, and never letting his guard down.
That was even said by Mr. Miyagi and Daniel always preach about focus nothing new in that
This gives more meaning to his fight against Payne
Honestly, not a bad lesson to teach someone for a fight
He didn’t lose cause of that crane crap
Me: Umm go watch The Karate Kid then Kreese lol and you’ll find out lol
0:49 robby expression knowing how badass his father was.
A few friends of mine were talking about Cobra Kai and Harry Potter and it got me to thinking. Kreese is a true Slytherin. He's cold and calculating, some may even say evil. But he's protective of his students, all of his students.
Not stingray 😂
@@kellentaylor7315 let’s be honest stingray was never going to be allowed to perform in the tournament anyways he was a grown man against kids they would never have let it happen I feel like kreese still liked him but he was annoyed when he kept coming at the wrong time like when they were training kreese said “we’re trynna train for a tournament here” and he didn’t really wanna put him on the spot but had to also I feel like kreese wouldn’t do anything to physically hurt stingray Terry silver beat the shit out of him but I feel like after kreese awoken Terry’s evil from inside him before he tried being reasonable
He kicked out more than half of his students for some very trivial stuff.
@@kellentaylor7315 Kreese got arrested for attempt murder of Stingray, but Terry Silver was the one who beat up Stingray to a pulp, not Kreese. Side Note: Stingray is a fucking IDIOT for still wanting to be a part of Cobra Kai after what Terry Silver did to him.
That's some of the dorkiest shit I've ever heard
Kreese may be a villain but he gives some valuable lessons like love is a distraction in ways and holds u back cuz it triggers ur jealousy
Gotta admit, even if they are deranged people, Kreese and Silver have their moments of being good senseis, giving good lessons to their students.
Nope, kreese advice is pretty sadistic. Silver lessons are better though but kreese is sure less dangerous than Johnny
@@AobixYou mean less dangerous than Silver?
@@BballNintendo3 nope, I meant Johnny only, cement truck training, jumping over the roof, get your ass save from dog bitting, firing in the shoelace of a disabled kid, kicking kids in their balls the list goes on all these things are worse than the kreese and silver training combined. If not for the dojo war, Johnny would be the most dangerous thing in his students' lives. Heck, even with the dojo war, he might be the one giving them more bruises overall.
@@Aobix That is true. Also he drowned Miguel so he could learn to kick. He’s lucky he hasn’t been sued by any parents yet.
@@BballNintendo3 yep that also
This is excellent advice! Thank you Kreese Sensei
Kreese got what was coming to him, he unleashed a sleeping dragon in Silver
Yep
And awakened the sleeping giant in Johnny by sending his minions after Miguel.
Why tf did they keep this out😭😭this is so good
I love how Robby was being trained by both hardcore senseis. He was trained by ice and fire. Basically he was learning from two senseis who were both very passionate about their styles of karate. He learned about peace and balance from Miyagi-Do and learned about being assertive and control from Cobra Kai.
Cobra Kai might be deadlier than Miyagi-Do but it’s lessons aren’t as strong as miyagi-do’s. Each character that trained in both dojos was able to overcome bad habits they learned from Cobra Kai by training Miyagi-Do.
Robby was first in MD and joined CK after and in the end the Miyagi-Do lessons were able to save him from going down a dark path.
Overall I would say CK is more brutal and probably more powerful physically but when it comes to the character development I would say Miyagi-Do is better.
John kreese is like having grandfather and grandson moment with Robby
They did Robby wrong making him lose in the final season 1 and 4 like wtf
Damn. This was a great scene!
I hate when people say things like this, as if Love is a choice.
He THOUGHT He was in Love?
He’s still thinking about her 30 years later. I’d say He KNEW He was in Love.
Ref where in miyagi's pocket what you mean by that?
@@blacjackdaniels200 This is the most utterly retarded nonsense I've ever read.
@@blacjackdaniels200 my theory is that you're smoking some hard shit and it's probably more correct than whatever mumbo jumbo you typed up in that essay i didn't read past "theory here on youtube"
@@dragonkrieg4444 what did he say, bc he didnt type anything about what ur saying
@@OnlyDylan17 he had a 3 page essay or something describing a KK conspiracy theory he saw on RUclips. i didn't bother reading the rest beyond that.
it appears he deleted it, and that is definitely the smartest thing hes done all week lol
"There wasn't a kick on earth that could have stopped Johnny Lawrence in his prime," Kreese reflected, his voice carrying a rare vulnerability. He had no children of his own, and Johnny had grown up without a father. In this moment, Kreese wasn't speaking as a Sensei but as a proud parent. Cobra Kai, in its way, reveals these poignant backstories. Kreese himself had never known his father; his single mother tragically ended her own life. His heartache continued as he lost his beloved Betsy while serving in Vietnam. These hardships had shaped him into a flawed yet commendable human being. At one point, he had nearly given up on life, finding himself in shelters, until Johnny reminded him never to surrender. Like father, like son...
The real lesson lies not in Johnny's defeat by the advanced Crane Technique, but in how he momentarily let his guard down. He was weary, torn by inner conflict-a struggle that resonates with many of us who continue to battle in our own lives. Our fight isn't fueled by a love for combat or a desire for pain; rather, it's a quest to end the conflict so that we no longer have to fight. This philosophy brings us full circle to Miyagi-Do, where the ultimate goal is peace and harmony.
Just because your student loses doesn’t mean you can hurt them what Kreese did back then he definitely was not aware of a lot things and started causing trouble!
“There isn’t a kick on earth that could’ve stopped Johnny Lawrence in his prime”
Wtf!!! This scene was needed!!! Scene was good
This is brilliant should not have been cut
I really like this scene and wish they kept it in honestly
This makes perfect sense, especially on season 4 where Johnny was able to stop that ancient Miyagi pressure point trick that Chozen taught Daniel let alone land a point ( not to mention he never saw the move before)
wow, i needed to hear this from my 6 year heartbreak by the so called "the one
Are you guys seeing what Kreese sees AFTER he gets done talking to Robby.. the kicks got LOUDER and Denser meaning Robby utilized putting his focus on them kicks . Kreese didn't say his technique needed change, he just told Robby to lean in on his training more and stop worrying about everything outside of the all training
Kreese: He didn't lose because of the Crane Krap
*crap
@@Aobix Same thing
It always amazes me how little defense all of them put up when kicking or punching. No matter what they do, their head is always uncovered and ready to get punched.
honestly i love this scene, if i had to choose one sensei it would probably kreese, johnny being a close 2nd, cobra kai in s2 and s3 was the best
John Kreese is a brilliant sensei love him or hate him.
dammm this seen would of made a big difference bc in fact robbies downfall an weakness has been hes distraction,a focus robbie is unstopabble as we seen against demitri an kenny...but in season 4 kenny was hes distraction along with all the hate he had for johnny an miguel
This should have been in the show
The fact that Kreese has better advice than mr Miyagi in this show
It doesn’t matter if you win or lose!
Idk why they would delete this scene..i think its significant
In 1984 Final, Johnny lost bcoz he chose to lose. Kreese is wrong to assume that it was Johnny's love for Ali, that caused him to lose focus. But I would say that Johnny was destined to lose anyway irrespective of Kreese's order of "Sweep the Leg". If anything, Johnny should be appreciative of the fact that Kreese's intervention lessened the humiliation of his defeat. Just imagine what would've happend if Johnny had lost against Daniel 3-0.
@John Smith Johnny lost the Final Tournament on purpose. Kreese's order to "Sweep the Leg" sort of broke something within him. While he did gain points later on ultimately evening the score but in the end Johnny simply decided to throw the match.
@John Smith Johnny's love for Ali was practically non existent post the beach brawl. I highly doubt that Johnny was so much in love that he chose to throw the Tournament Final, that too against his bitter Rival.
@John Smith Alright. Explain it to me, Why do you think that Johnny's loss in the Tournament Final was caused by his love for Ali? Bcoz in the 1984 Film itself, post the beach brawl there is virtually no interaction between Ali and Johnny, except the Hotel Slow-Dance where Johnny catches Daniel spying on the former with Ali and Johnny forcibly tries to kiss Ali, only to get socked right in the face. We never see Johnny nor Ali make amends at any point throughout the film.
@@ruturajshiralkar5566 No no Jonny didn't loose it on purpose! Kreese was saying that because he was in so infatuated with Ali his mind was all messed up and he wasn't focused!
@@kytaylor5080 Johnny's mind was messed up, he lost control of his emotions but Ali had nothing to do with it.
And Robby lost to Hawk because he lost his focus.
If Robby focuses on this part in Seikai Takai Tournament in Season 6, then for sure, Robby can win the Tournament
the way he said he didn’t lose to that crane crap💀😭
For the Kreese kicks they needed to go 'Martial Science' like in the Prison fight scenes in S5...
I just realized that this sort of mirrors the scene where chozen is teaching tory how to overcome her fears
Except chozen was giving good advice and its exactly opposite case for kreese
this also mimic the time miguel let down his guard on the school fight thus leading to him falling and breaking his spine
Kreese is so right
emotions is weakness
I remember watching this
You may have seen in RUclips because it wasn't included in final cut.
They should have kept this scene in there🙂 up until this point this scene was the best
I think the reason they removed this was because of that kick. I know it was meant to be serious but it was so funny it can't be helped
Well he’s not lying
They making mock the crane kick
Kreese : he didn't lose to crane crap
Terry : do you think you rely on crane crap
Johny Lawrence try to do crane crap
He may be the villain on this show but he ain't wrong.
Robby never fully took this lesson to hear. That is a good thing, because Robby’s greatest strength/ weakness is his compassion for others! (Excluding Miguel during school fight) That is what makes Robby a good person @ his core!
Yep
They should bring back the referee (Pat E. Johnson) in Karate Kid (original movie) . Kreese cared about Johnny that he paid the referee off in Karate Kid so that Johnny could lose so Johnny could feel defeat and focus on karate instead of girls and Daniel. That is why the referee allowed the illegal crane kick so Johnny lost. That is why Kreese walked passed Daniel and Mr Myagi after the fight and just gave them a look. Then he went straight to Johnny to scold him and ruff him up. For the next season, the old referee feels bad about what he did to Johnny after hearing how his life turned out and wanted to make amends. This truth Daniel hears and now there is a rift in their new found friendship that Johnny actually would have won. Kreese paid off the referee so Johnny Lawrence could focus. Just like in his explanation in this deleted scene to Robby.
This theory sucks as hell
@@Aobix fax bro did a whole what if scenario
And why would he Kreese pay the ref to lose? One of his mottos are no losers in this dojo. Crane kick isn’t illegal, Dutch and Johnny kicked Daniel and got a point
@@cobrafang7109 yeah correct
Lekker ding Johan kreese
Miyagi do "hyishh"
Conbra kai "aitz"
Eagle fang _"quit bitching at me"_
What the hell was that-Robby keene
A weakly kick lol
Even mr. miyagi would agree with kreese on the bit that in the end Johnny chose to let his emotions get the better of him. It wouldn’t even matter if what move Daniel made next even if it wasn’t the crane kick Johnny would still lose because unlike Johnny Daniel had focus which is actually the same thing with mike Barnes.
Es lo que eta en cobra kai
La melé mejor Seie en cobra a kai
I'm glad this scene was taken out. Kreese's balance wasn't good at all.
They should have added this scene
Sort of reminds me of the movie whiplash, which is odd as I haven't seen it.
Should have left this in or used it in Season 4. Shows how low Kreese will go.
No mercy!
Villians who have reason
Good advice, good scene but indeed better that they left this out
Why?
@@Aobix because in my opinion it made Kreese looked a little to good of a human😂
@@RockyD12 that's the point of cobra kai, no one is supposed to be the villain, everyone has their human side.
I think they should've used this in Season 4. The lesson Kreese teaches here I'd one of balance, and I think that draws a distinct parallel to Mr Miyagi.
No, this isn't balance, this is shutting down emotions, and eventually, it can ruin the person
@@ermanbumaguin8063 no, I'm talking about when he said Johnny lost because he didn't have balance
@@jamainegardner4193 kreese fooled himself, untill the moment in the tournament with tory, he realized that it was up to her, just like it was up to johnny until he gave him the sweep the leg order that costed johnny to lose his balance
Yeah Kreese you sure it was love and not the fact you were messing with his head, giving him cruel and dirty orders, and making him doubt you?
Kreese was A asshole but He showed more mercy then Silver and He didnt fight dirty anymore and became last violent U gotta respect that
Kreese is right should have taken his advice in the season 4 finale
They shouldn't have taken out these one on one training scenes. Also gave more in depth about their relationships between sensei and student.
Robby lost focus in his final fight with hawk this scene could be used as a flashback scene
I’m glad this scene was cut. It was too cheesy.
The whole Cobra Kai show is too cheesy.
@@Aobix parts of it are not the whole thing.
@@dasa5023most of the parts are cheesy only. But Cheesy ≠ bad.
@@Aobix no there’s a lot of really good parts
@@dasa5023 I never denied that.
That Crane Crap LOL
That was kk-3 reference to silver.
Kreese was not kinda wrong because he was teaching him how be violence
He's out of line, but he's right.
Kwon Jae Sung can be more aggressive fighter than Robby