How Porn & Video Games Hijack Manhood | Doug Wilson & Michael Foster
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2022
- In this clip from Man Rampant, Pastors Doug Wilson and Michael Foster discuss porn, video games, and manhood.
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I’m glad he nailed video games here. Today’s games are not Sonic or Mario World, they are expertly engineered alternative universes made to be realistic, addictive,and have us more concerned with our avatar than our real selves.
And with the metaverse around the corner...people will be more concerned with the creation they can create and play God...instead of appreciation of what God gave us
there literally are Sonic and Mario games coming out today lol.
@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 you know what I mean.
@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 and so what? That doesn’t negate his point. Growing up we had no games like world of Warcraft and VR - these things consume people and drain their wallet
Looking back before finding Christ last year, that life of porn and video games was like a prison....16 years trapped in a corner on auto-pilot, numb, being isolated, just a couple friends time to time, no community, parents worked non-stop; thankful for what they were able to teach me though they left out very important things like manhood. Am thankful to be free from alot of things now, have accepted what I've lost and possible outcomes. It's hard sometimes not knowing what to do on the outside but trusting Jesus am thankful for His Peace.
Amen. The bible has a lot to say about manhood. And channels like dougs and toby Sumpters and joel webbon and some others can help you straighten it all out in your head
That was me too, I'm trying to trust God and stay in connection with my brothers and sisters at church. The more I trust Him, the more God is bringing me back and healing me from those old ways and leading me to better paths.
Praise God for His mercy toward us!
Go watch Paul Washer's "What is a Man" RIGHT Now. What you said about them leaving out manhood IS the number reason we're in the pickle we're on right now.
Just started a new job and was filled with energy exercising and doing all the things I needed to do, then slowly I noticed when I played a video game for even 30 minutes near the beginning of my day, the whole day got harder and I was in need of energy, its not placebo, there is something demonic about video games when you play them daily, it can become an idol, also its a completely different reality that you are looking at through pixels on a screen, if you think about it, its a person being convinced to look at blue light for an extended period of time, and when a person does this so much knowing its consequences, it begins to become addiction and insanity, the process of doing the same thing over and over again. We need to change
So stoked for this!
I love video games and they’re one way to be “all things to all people,” but I’m very aware of the risk they pose in being the distraction Michael’s talking about. Unlike porn, they’re not bad in themselves, but they are a way you can spend your energy so you give birth to wind
The problem is overuse, dopamine on demand just like porn. I spent too many years just playing video games instead of learning a skill or working on a project
Not just a distraction, they suck motivation by messing with the dopamine receptors. The effect on the body is similar to porn.
@@carsonfischer2116 they’re usually designed to require overuse to beat it 😬
@@inlonging I think the real problem is online multiplayer games made to be addicting. Buying a game a game and playing it through and being done with it is one thing, playing the same game over and over again is a waste of time
@@carsonfischer2116 even games not connected to the internet require inordinate amounts of time to beat the bosses. But you’re right in that it’s easier to exhibit self control in the ones you can turn off for a week without penalties or losing ground or getting behind your friends etc.
Years ago I quit porn, for almost 3 years I live abstinent... but everyday I have to fight off the lust like day one. Be warned! It ruined my mind...
You're not alone. Stay strong and pray for strength
What did you do about the masterbastion? Not looking at the porn is one thing (can even use a software like covenant eyes for accountability) but the fight against masterbation is another. And like even if you haven't been perfect at it, how do you persevere and move on without the frustration of having fallen for it again, the pain of knowing you did it deliberately and the lack of faith in yourself to not do it again in the future? That's my struggle and unfortunately there's so much shame around the topic coupled with the fact that men generally don't talk about their struggles that I haven't found help with this.
@@graywarden8340 It's the same behaviour like the fight against porn. I know the shame too good and the frustration of failure. These made me do promises to GOD I couldn't keep and increased all of it more and more. Breakthrough came with one specific change: I stopped trusting in myself to overcome this and gave every bit of trust I could muster to JESUS, since HE is the only ONE WHO overcame the world with all its temptations. Every time the temptation rises I made it a habit to picture the cross. Literally cry out to GOD while you are on the verge of giving in, keep doing this and our LORD will show you a way out or ease the urge so you won't have the feeling that you have to do it. It's hard, not gonna lie, it's really hard but possible through CHRIST. I wish you strength and endurance to make it.
GOD bless you and your loved ones with all you want to do to glorify GOD
@@graywarden8340 RUclips deleting my messages randomly, sorry you didn't get a response so far.
In short, like in all sinful struggles, we got to picture the cross in our mind, look up to it and literally cry out to GOD for help to overcome the current urge. Everytime. Trusting in myselfs caused me to drown in guilt as soon as I failed to fight the temptations. With everything I have now trusting JESUS, trusting the HOLY SPIRIT moves me away from what I learned to hate. It's a lifelong struggle for some but there is hope for anyone trusting GOD in their wish to flee lust.
Like salvation: trust GOD alone,not youself.
GOD bless
@@graywarden8340 In short, like in all sinful struggles, we got to picture the cross in our mind, look up to it and literally cry out to GOD for help to overcome the current urge. Everytime. Trusting in myselfs caused me to drown in guilt as soon as I failed to fight the temptations. With everything I have now trusting JESUS, trusting the HOLY SPIRIT moves me away from what I learned to hate. It's a lifelong struggle for some but there is hope for anyone trusting GOD in their wish to flee lust.
Like salvation: trust GOD alone,not youself.
GOD bless
A lot of godly wisdom is found in this short clip. Very insightful, thank you brothers.
Mike and Doug, thank you for this video It has convicted me of my sin. I would appreciate any further conversation on Toxic masculinity. God bless.
Why is playing games bad but something like reading fiction is praised
Reading used to be looked down upon
@@kylemckinney_22 lol since when? Trying to justify a waste of time like video games by comparing it to reading is pathetic. Men who play video games are not real men.
This is an interesting question, I think they’re after “maleness”, So may be a better question would be: “Why is lifting weights six days a week/boys night out every week/playing a sport every season praised but playing video games hours a week looked down upon?”?
Is reading fiction praised among reformed people?
@@brentives4688 Good point. I was thinking of Harry Potter or American Gods and not my own copy of The Silmarillion lol.
I think there are plenty of guys who play video games and still have girlfriends. Matter of fact, I am told that these young men have something of a rock-star status.
This is interesting to think about
I think there are just too many types of games now and people play for all sorts of reasons, this is a good reminder though to look at the bigger picture and make sure you don't get sucked in.
Excellent. God bless.
Great video
The video game bit was a light bulb. Such good stuff. I got a fortnite ad before this.
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Porn is absolutely poisonous and lethal!
Its ruining the lives of young people, the Church should take steps in dealing with these explicit content.
As for vieos games, not all of them are bad. Matter of a fact I learned more English in playing videos games, its sometimes educational because the developers can take lessons from history and put it on the stories.
Video games aren't always to blame. Just take caution and discipline.
God Bless.
Agreed. It's like alcohol; a little bit is fine, but overuse can cause problems.
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Good stuff
Amen! Video games and pornography are pure evil! I was headed down a dark dark path when I used to be addicted to both and now I feel so much healthier and can actually provide value to the world.
Thank you 😊
Shout out to E. Michael Jones. Based King.
So, true. May Yahweh be glorified!!
I wouldn't equate video games with porn necessarily. Nihilistic video games can be a problem and video games that are too immersive. But video games with a moral framework can be a social good in the same way GK Chesterton argued the penny dreadful was a social good: they can reaffirm the most basic sorts of moral premises about virtue, bravery, etc.
For the algo to share with my brothers and sisters in Christ
I totally agree with the position he made on video games. I have always felt that way when I was younger. But he does have a point, at the end of the day there is no lasting benefit.
I appreciate that he pointed out that they’re not bad in themselves, the danger is if they’re a distraction from working in the real world
I honestly wish I could get more into video games. Most new titles are pure crap these days just like the movies. Oh well, at least they will remake Resident Evil 4 next year...
A true regenerated soul has new affections. God fearing men don't give their precious time to video games.
James 1:21-22 ESV - Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
Can you imagine the early church if they'd been distracted by such frivolity? Those men were on fire for the Lord and zealous to do His will.
Psalm 90:12 ESV - So teach us to number our days that we may get a heart of wisdom.
Matthew 24:42 ESV - Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.
Luke 12:37 ESV - Blessed are those servants whom the master finds awake when he comes. Truly, I say to you, he will dress himself for service and have them recline at table, and he will come and serve them.
Luke 11:23 ESV - Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
Proverbs 1:7 ESV - The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Revelation 16:15 ESV - (“Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”)
Add James White in with these 2, and you have the perfect trifecta.
Guys, I did Crosspolitic, NSA, and then this all in a row on the same day. I didn't have all my precious nuances in a row for those gentle souls who are so easily triggered.
On page 8 of It's Good to Be a Man, we wrote "In our day, the [pacifying of men] has been perfected with porn and, to a lesser extent, video games. Men who are hooked up like junkies to the dopamine drip of virtual fornication and fake dominion are worthless for the task of being fruitful in real and imposing genuine order on their worlds."
I stand by that. Video games aren't inherently sinful like porn. We have a few consoles. They are, however, inherently dangerous due to their modern video game design. Fire can be good. It can also maim and kill you.
Yeah, I think a lot of people only heard like 1 minute of your discussion and got triggered. I watched it twice and decided I needed to watch the full discussion to get it. But I have heard great things about your work and look forward to reading your book and watching this full discussion on the app. Thanks for everything Rev. Foster
Social media more so than gaming.
This lighting takes 10 years off, Doug
1 Corinthians 16:13 ESV - Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
"Give them bread and circuses and they will never revolt" -Juvenal
lol as a kid who grew up shy and no friends...I give video games almost 80% of the credit for my ability to communicate with others, be creative and and think outside the box....Also Jesus is my savoir. I 100% understand the argument this gentleman is making, but if you did not grow up playing online with others...these arguments are a little far fetched. Even in the Army we used videogames to train tactics and visualization lol.
Games are a bit more nuanced than what I'm hearing Mr. Foster say here. There are real social interactions involved with certain games. Since time is being spent on overcoming some sort of challenge, it is training of one flavor or another, at least in the mental sphere. How much real-world use this may be is up for debate (I was a flight sim junkie growing up, and yes, it did make me more adept at flying real-world aircraft).
At the same time, it can also offer a cheap counterfeit to genuine exercise of dominion. I don't fly planes (too expensive, not in that line of work) and I don't kick down doors and storm rooms. I do, however, garden and improve my own home. This seems far more fulfilling (if more expensive and frustrating) than a video-game imitation of the same.
@@aidenbramer8229 Not to mention if you grew up playing games where you manage resources from what I've found those same kids do better at managing resourcea in the real world
@@kylemckinney_22 lol It sounds so silly but it is true. Without a doubt video games can ruin a man and become addictive...but this argument again was not accurate in my opinion.
His argument is video games take the desire/time to conquer/create and uses it for personal pleasure not Gods glory.
@@mrs.garcia6978 My argument is...I used the time and learning from video games to build a brand to represent God. Again I agree with that statement but the verbiage and tonality was one that men who game are weak and lose time...meanwhile some men legit play video games and their wives are happy they do so they are not out in clubs and cheating on them. lol it is an easy target to go after gamers is all
As painful as this is to hear it is absolutely correct
LOL, I knew before scrolling down I'd see a bunch of guys defending games. I'm mostly an ex-gamer, but I think they can be edifying: to a certain extent It can be a good social interaction like playing chess or sports, and some can have deep concepts (Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri) or teach history, or just have good art (I still listen to soundtracks from 90's games). But I want to have my interactions with stuff ultimately glorify God, and not bury the talent given to me. There are real challenges and real obstacles to overcome that can make a difference for many in this life and the next. Learn a new language, even a programming language so you can code software (hopefully FOSS) or learn an instrument. What was it that Miss Frizzle said on the original show and books? "Take chances, make mistakes, get messy!" Instead of playing it safe in a world compartmentalized away from the one we live in.
Listening to soundtracks from the 90s? Now I know your comment is legit lol :;)
Very well said
So you want to be a slave.
@@DM-dk7js Whether it’s your own interests, others, government, or God, you serve something or someone.
@@--i-am-root Oo, that’s interesting. I never played Mother / Earthbound.
I like Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, and Fire Emblem Genealogy of the Holy War.
On the porn issue; agree. However, the video game issue is perhaps more complex than is being addressed here. In a preindustrial society, every waking hour required hard physical labor just to ensure you and your family had enough to eat. When the sun went down, men were exhausted and often went to sleep fairly early, only to continue the grind the next day. Granted, in ancient Israel, God gave the Sabbath and multiple feasts for rest and re-creation but the average man worked himself literally to death. Industrial society, created wealth on an unprecedented scale making it possible that the average man did not have to work, literally every waking moment and giving him for the first time, significant amounts of free time. Now the question is, what to do with that free time? Christians had real problems with sports, with radio, television, movies even reading fiction (Dabney thought it weakened the mind). Sure, you high IQ types who love reading and researching, can take advantage of the printing press but what about the average working man, who is not an intellectual. OK, he mows his grass, paints his house, maybe even fixes his car; but he still has copious amounts of free time so what can he lawfully do in terms of recreation. The assault against computer gaming in the Christian community reminds me way too much of the Jeremiads against the "Devil Box" I heard as a child; that to even have a TV in your home was a clear sign that you were not really serious about your Christianity. This was and is a problem that in America at least goes back to the Puritan problem of never working out a decent theology of recreation. So gentlemen, is it lawful to watch sports, be enthusiastic for whatever the sports events are during a particular season? If so, how is that different than playing Call of Duty?
You got it backwards. Medieval peasants had a lot more free time than modern office drones. Preindustrial society wasn't nearly as bad as they want you to think. In fact: the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. You should read "Industrial Society and its Future".
i probably spend 3-4 hours a week gaming. mostly as a way to enjoy downtime w/my sons. gaming can be a great way to spend time with friends, experience a beautiful story, and develop skills. but, there does come a point where gaming becomes something like masturbation - all kinds of neurons firing but producing no positive effect upon the world and a waste of God's gifts.
Why on Earth would you allow your sons to enter into a virtual world to waste time? What a pathetic embarrassment. You can get a beautiful story from reading a book. Trying to defend your immature waste of time is not positive at all.
firing neurons is a positive effect upon the world tho
@@mosesking2923 reading fiction is the same as playing video games. It ultimately is entertainment and shouldn’t be your main hobby. I advise men to find a hobby that is fruitful. For instance started a comic recently and it has taken off!
@@mosesking2923 commenting on multiple RUclips posts is a waste of time and immature. Go out and do something fruitful bro. Sheesh.
@@mosesking2923 your lack of charity suggests you’re the immature “tyrannical weaker brother” Sproul warned about
As an art and/or teaching/training medium, videogames have great potential, but because this is a sinful world, greed, lust, excess are what drive most of them, and most of the players. Same goes for movies and even books, but the potential for addiction to videogames exponentially higher, and many times moreso for men who feel hopeless than hopeless women; who are more likely to be addicted to netflix + softcore 'romance', for various reasons. It's sad how few truly great videogames/interactive works there are, but not surprising to me. Hopelessness is actually most often the drive though, from what I gather.
Porn is extremely destructive apart from knockdown effects like apathy, lethargy, impotence, idleness... Really any addiction will cause these. It seems to go without saying, except porn is probably more addictive than Heroin.
I also doubt wanting to please a woman's father has historically been the main driving force for most men to be productive... it sounds romantic and believable enough, and has certainly *been* the motivator for many, but ...it's a bit of a strange claim, given how many men have even neglected marriages in history over various other passions, or among the working classes have simply fornicated just as people do now. The fact is the sex drive isn't nearly as strong in a non-porn-saturated culture as the sexual-perversion-drive is in ours, and the porn addicts I know actually are still lonely, and dream of more fulfilling material lives, but are actually kept by things other than porn addiction... Some are downright desperate, but many loud 'conservative' voices simply repeat godless 'build back better' mantra, or ask them to suicide themselves against the powers that be; which doesn't really fill them with hope for a white picket fence. Again, hopelessness is the common factor I hear in all their voices. Also hate to bring up another related topic, but MGTOW is a movement for a reason; not all of the lack of drive stems from porn... we live in a very very broken world, and were they not faithless I could never blame them for being hopeless. All to say that I don't think this video is that insightful, even if "mostly true."
Actually I think a more helpful approach would be to list questions for men to ask themselves. Why do we do the things we do? xD
Wow!!!!
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Amen.
Unfortunately, while they are saying many things that sound nice; their words, are in fact, misleading. both porn and video games are created to distract, one (good point). But also follow the same reason for books; escapism. Through each of them you get the pleasure you would not necessarily get otherwise. Government has nothing to do with the issue. While video games, in moderation can be beneficial as a reward for something like a good days work. But I do agree that there is no benefit to porn. The issue of masculinity is another issue altogether. Many women have obsessions/sin issues with porn and video games.
Interesting take on video games. Honestly never thought of the ‘down side’ to video games in that sense? Not certain I agree but food for thought, any way.
Unlike porn, they’re not inherently bad, but they are a potential distraction, when you spend your masculine energy in a virtual competition instead of using that productively, to make something IRL.
@@cosmictreason2242 just a distraction is downplaying the harm though. Games mess with your dopamine receptors the same way porn does.
@@soulfuzz368 maybe you downplay the seriousness of what it means for something to be a distraction
Some touchy people out there regarding such a mild comment on gaming. Introspection required.
Playing COD and Skyrim like games when i do play, i can say - Practising dominion/task oriented objectives in-game is definitely entertaining, but perhaps 'non-productive' in value creation outside virtual realm. But then 'play' (as in boardgames) would be similar, but i guess depends on two things for me... does it cultivate relationships in physical proximity (so not virtually), how many hours are devoted to this all up in a week, and does it cause you to well up with bursts of anger and rage and exceed boundaries previously set.
I dont personally like reading fantasy, but I can definitely see ethical and moral formation occuring, so your choice of book is critical and hours can become problematic and isolationist. Not sure if this development occurs in game play as effectively. Dunno
*boomer noises intensify*
The fact that Pastor Foster even mentions E. Michael Jones is very surprising. Evangelicals carefully avoid the favorite topic of E. Michael Jones.
The conflation of all video games into a monolith is frankly palpably embarrassing for Canon Press, as it immediately exposes a comfort in preaching about a topic in which they clearly and objectively live in ignorance.
This is like saying there's no lasting benefit to reading books. It depends on the book doesn't it? Its a medium. The usefulness of the medium is inherently dependent on what it is you put in the medium. Shoot, some video games literally are simply books with the occasional illustration thrown in.
You know dang well they were talking about average video games. Your reaction to this vid says it all lol.
P.s. i play vid games
Oh come on...
@@repentorperish1386 Right but most isn't all and it's still careless. If we're trying to teach, and it certainly seems they are, we ought to be precise
@@repentorperish1386 "You know dang well they were talking about average video games. "
I don't know what *you* mean when you say it out loud, why should I know when they don't say it at all? What's an "average" video game? The most popular genre changes every ten years or so, and the edification received from playing a game changes not just between games of the same genre, but between games from the very same series. This is why I made the comparison to books. Reducing the phrase from "Books aren't useful to read" to "romance novels aren't useful to read" doesn't solve the problem. You're still being spectacularly overly broad. Is Pride and Prejudice a romance novel?
"Your reaction to this vid says it all lol. "
You're the one being mocking without making any relevant points, not me. Its neither useful, nor particularly Chrisitan.
@@arminius504 Oh come on what? If you want to make a point, make the point.
porn is inherently sinful, video games are not lol.
however, like anything, they can become an idol.
People just cannot even comprehend what a freedom it is not to play any videogames at all and not even having any desire to play them, it feels amazing to know you dont need to waste time on that stuff.
So what do you do in your free time? What are your hobbies? And how/why are your "holier than thou" hobbies better than simply playing games? If we as Christians ever wanna win the culture war, we need to stop actually wasting our time on fighting these pointless battles and take it to the enemy
@@peanutpablo9596 My one regret is that I have but one upvote to give.
I'm sure you've seen it a thousand times at a local church. People spend their week looking down on those that enjoy video games or movies or anime or whatever else, then on the weekend sit around, watch sports, and spend 3 hours arguing over the subjectively best flavor of hot sauce, followed by their plans to cultivate their lawn to completely pointless but aesthetically pleasing ends.
You can't win a culture war you refuse to fight.
@@JD-xz1mx The sports thing is my favorite one. There's nothing about watching sports that has intrinsic value that playing video games don't have. And I think it's that video games is a newer form of media, and people, especially Christian conservatives, are naturally cautious to change, maybe for the right reasons maybe for wrong. But Jesus said to not blindly follow traditions but to follow Scripture. I'm as conservative as the next guy, I'm just saying that we need to focus our energy elsewhere.
@@peanutpablo9596
I am seriously ill, i spend 22-23 hours of my day laying on my bed and sometimes it is teasing to think buying some videogames to spend time playing them since it would be time consuming. Yet i feel the conviction from the Holy Spirit not to touch them, not to engage into that stuff because it is a harmful waste of time, specially all those games where you need to use violence, like killing somebody, those are openly sinful.
So i keep myself out of it.
@@nikokapanen82 Try coloring books for adults that's much better because you can hang your good ones up all around your room and look at them while your in your bed for 23 hours.
Video games are a huge issue and marriage destroyer.
I know men who I wish I could send this video to but they are so offended by any kind of truth and full of excuses. Which is also why they hide in their fake worlds where they don't have to interact with reality.
I've been a game developer for nearly twenty years. I even have a graduate degree in game development. While I used to defend video games and their role and influence in society, I've come to believe that they may not be a net positive to society.
Can you explain further? This caught my eye.
Everything in moderation. If you are spending literally all your time for years on them then yeah but if you can stop and get things done in between gaming then it’s just entertainment. Btw I just sold my gaming laptop bc I couldn’t stop though lol
@@mrs.garcia6978 Of course. Just to reiterate, I think they are "not a net positive to society," so I don't think they are all bad or there are no redeeming qualities in video games. There are a lot of great features of video games I think are superior to other media. They offer opportunities for problem solving, pattern recognition, team building, experience in failure, among many others.
However, here are three reasons why I think they are different than other media:
1. It requires your whole body. While other forms of entertainment require part of your physical self, video games require your whole body. For example, you can listen to music while going for a jog, but a video game, for the most part, requires your whole physical body so that you are completely occupied. Just ask your son to come for dinner while he's in the middle of a multiplayer match. At least with a video he can pause and come back later. Sometimes he gets so involved in the game the rest of the world is shut out. This brings up productivity implications as well as moral implications.
2. They're designed for endless consumption. As technology has improved, and the business model has changed, games have become an amusement that is designed for to be consumed for hours on end. Very few games encourage shorter sessions, so they take up a lot of time.
3. Most significantly, the experience isn't analogous to real life. Even the failure you experience isn't real. When you fail in a game, there isn't anything real at stake. While that can be good for a training environment, boys often never leave that state where there's no consideration for risk-reward situations. The boys also don't have any concept of how hard things are in real life. Games are relatively easy to become proficient at. Nolan Bushnell, the founder of Atari, once said that games should be "easy to learn, difficult to master." I think that's a good concept, but I think it's made our boys less willing to learn something if it's too hard. They think they should be able to pick up some new skill in a few minutes.
TLDR: Video games are entertainment that require your whole body for hours on end in a world over-saturated in entertainment.
@@mrs.garcia6978 Well I'll just say because of the nature of the medium, and sin, the landscape is inherently more dangerous than with other mediums.
Great!!
And now they've taken the straw!!
I think there is something to what you're saying about video games, but you're taking it a bit too far. Video games are no more destructive or good than chess or football or any other entertainment. The problems come with poor use and sloth, playing these games too often or too long and making them too much a part of your life. Like anything, really. Meshing these two things together is... misleading, at best.
I’m glad I never fell into the vice of video games. We never had money for consoles growing up so when I was able to buy my own I was too old and over it. Thank God for that!
Yeah, I don't think the medium is evil, but man, depression + addictive games is a super bad mix, and this culture is full of just that
I play World of Warcraft.
GW2
Porn, mast*****ion, gay sex, and contraception are a waste of seed.
Sorry, but after decades of fighting the likes of Jack Thompson, who smeared video games as whatever simulators, I have no patience to argue with the people who want to convince the world video games are problematic because they *aren't* whatever simulators.
...more Spiritual Muscle Brothers......
Ahh yes, this is the guy who called me a clueless bastard👍
porn is bad, whether it's an addiction or not. video games, by contrast, are only bad when they become an addiction. the latter is a hobby; the former is NOT.
Categorising video games alongside pornography while sitting next to a half empty glass of whiskey seems a little disingenuous but I hope this encourages us all to aim at God's standard.
Agreed their words to optimize our lives and purpose are valuable but harder to accept when these men sit near alcohol and are both a bit chunkier in their forms. Nutrition science has been so bad in the past, but the lack of control with the fork is evident by their visual appearance.
Giving up alcohol completely was more useful to me than games. Moderation is obviously the key but gaming allows me to talk with family and friends that I don’t live near. And honestly that is the biggest reason I play. If it weren’t for those relationships I wouldn’t play games in and of themselves. Contrast this with social media which honestly should have been used as an example instead of video games
Yeah no. Video games never stopped me from getting women or being a strong man.
I definitely agree that this is a weak cope. If you value God above all else then video games won’t do jack.
It’s that science rules society, and that science also says humanity’s already conquered everything and gone everywhere.
I’ve never understood why they say this. It’s another form of story telling which canon is all about use it.
I think it highly depends on the way in which you use it. Lots of people abuse video games and get negative value out of them. Same can be said with lots of things though. There is a lot of good that video games have brought as well
To elaborate, I think Doug covered it succinctly on his last upload on “toxic masculinity”.
Everything is toxic in large enough amounts, so it stands to the individual to not get drunk.
Have you been diligent in seeking more knowledge of God and His Gospel, seeking and taking responsibility in your workplace, improving and encouraging those around you in the Faith(family, discipleship,etc. and still managed to find scarce time to play video Games?
If so, then you are good with time management and I could definitely learn alot from you.
I don’t think Doug means that Video Games are inherently sinful, but that there are better ways of spending the time and strength we have. Video Games, like any other hobby, is good in moderation. May everything help us in the race that is set before and let us put aside the weight and sin that easily entangles us.
Foster’s depiction of video games at the 2:20 mark is only accurate to a specific category of game, which hurts his argument. The bottomline of games is that they can be an addictive form of escapism. And, unlike pornography, spending some leisure time playing a game isn’t sinful.
This is a truly embarrassing boomer take. Taking swipes at one of the biggest mediums of entertainment out of complete ignorance is not the play. And it's certainly not how you win culture wars. If they were truly clever, they'd be asking how they can penetrate this incredibly powerful and captivating space in a way that builds the kingdom. Instead, they retreat to the same cringe complaints their parents had about music in the 60s. This is how you lose.
As someone who has played a huge amount of video games I think they are spot on.
@@arminius504 as someone who’s played a ton of video games also, he’s wrong.
okay zoomer
@@arminius504 Sounds like an addiction, and most videogames serve that purpose, sadly, but it's still not a rule.
I'm sorry but this just reminds me of the 80's when they said playing Dungeons and Dragons was practicing witchcraft.
I was mutilated when I was just a baby. I wonder now if having no sex drive is why I can hardly get out of bed in the morning. If I have not testosterone, if my brain can't even conceive of a universe of me being a father, then what goals even matter?
I think you mean to show how their reasoning is off? And I think you've done that very well. I have noticed that these guys put a heavy emphasis on filling an already-full earth, and subduing it by solely material definitions (I guess maybe Sibera is still sorta wild? Alaska?). But I want to say this anyway: You aren't the only one. Our hope isn't for this very short life, and neither is our ultimate purpose in marriage; and many (majority in many generations?) will never marry in their lifetime, even if they want to.
And God is not careless, but rather patient with offenders, and is not aloof to suffering or cruel, but is most serious about our need to have the truth revealed. He drives us to Himself, and ultimately healing, if we'll go. Threats to the physical parts of our being are not the biggest threats to us; sin and death are far far more deadly. I can tell you that God Himself is worth more than any creation if His- even a family.
God has not left us without purpose, nor made us without meaning. He didn't _have_ to make you, and nobody twisted His arm; He _wanted_ you to be. When I was a very smol child I saw only remains of beauty in this world, and much brokeness, hopelessness, vanity and sorrow... and time and experience have only intensified those images to me. The only reason you have a sense of the worth of a person, or of morality, or justice, is because He _is_ those things. You cannot be more moral than the God that made your mind and heart. That much has to encourage you? I love Him, and still see His expressions everywhere, and can survive the sorrow because I see His saving grace at work. This life just isn't that long, and it's about saving us _out_ of death and this sick world, spiritually-- but knowing Him causes us to love what he has done and made even now; His art. His expressions. If we love God we _will_ want to honor him with what good we _do_ receive in this life, and the good things He has made, even if humanity has distorted and destroyed much of it. It's about His glory, showing the world who He actually is, and what horror sin is. In any case I will pray for you
@@googIesux thank you.
Consumer-centric. Useless and wasteful.
Haha and here comes all the gamers who will agree porn is sin but then sit there on these 25-hr campaigns wasting their lives away in fantasy… “it’s a hobby!” Well anything in the extreme is a problem. Sports, gaming, etc can quickly become distractions from our calling. And the games that are designed to have your attention 24/7 there’s really no other way of putting it, they’re intentionally distracting you from anything else.
I want to be a good Christian, but this guy’s face….