A friend of mine has a Taycon 4S. To say that it's impressive is a gross understatement. It might not be the strongest Taycon they make, but it's pretty darned good anyway!
Totally spot on in saying "you don't need more than 480 hp". In these day an age we expect to see huge numbers constantly or else it's "slow", but my daily is a sedan with 'only' 300 hp and truthfully I don't see a need for much more in city or highway traffic at all.
As much as I want the Taycan Turbo, realistically speaking, the 4S with the Performance Battery Plus is much more realistic. It can still do 0-60 in as little as 3.4 seconds.
The dynamic duo is back You guys are doing a great job, especially like the part where Dai feels and Zack thinks. Its like top gear, but you can trust what the hosts say
oh look an EV that has gauges and numbers behind the steering wheel like a proper driver's car. But I guess Tesla wants to sell you the autonomous driving so you really won't drive anymore at some point. I can see there is a market for that. But for me, I still want to enjoy driving for years to come even on long road trips.
yup, thats exactly right about Tesla for sure. Wish they also made packages that were more driver centric, but I think as an enthusiast that also wants to go electric I'll be waiting for the Taycan-style EV tech to trickle down to something like a hot hatch.
Most Enthusiast dont have that much money to drop on a car of this price. Maybe in 10-15 years when we have more affordable enthusiasts level EVs . Electric will catch on a lot faster when you cater to the majority of enthusiast car buyers. But i get this stuff will trickle in the more affordable market far down the road… who knows though
problem is battery degradation, I'm really not sure how viable the 2nd-hand market is gonna be for EVs without being able to easily refurbish or replace batteries
@@OhSome1HasThisName yes that's why I have been on the sideline when it comes to BEV adoption. The eight year warranty at 70% is concerning. 15 year at 60% would be ideal if manufacturers don't offer refurbishment or replacement support at reasonable costs.
💯 Tesla is not the only EV manufacturer. Taycan is not cheap. You are $150-250k cdn. But…Porsche did an amazing job on it. Driving wise and aesthetically.
@@Gandalf721 EVs can’t really be collectable. 10 years max and you need to replace it pretty much. You can’t just refurbish batteries like you can can an ICE.
Zack, nice battery charging analogy, I think that will help people (generally) understand how the tech works at least a little better. Good job, keep up the great work.
Whatever. Have fun charging your Porsche with a 3rd party charger. Maybe you'll be lucky soon to charge at a Tesla supercharger. That Porsche is a huge rip off compared to Tesla.
@@Tuck_Frump New flash - we all will charge with "3rd party charger" it will be a no-brainer. In the US its catching up right now - in Europe it's already the case, there are far more "3rd party" charger than Tesla. The Tesla is rattlely tin can compared to the Porsche and way over priced -but hey what ever floats your boat.
You know, given the insanity that is the Turbo S (their are several reviews that will look at you and say that it's too much speed).... I am not sure that I want them to try and make an equivalent "GT#" spec.
In your opinion, does the Porsche brand/build quality/heritage justify the 130K price tag on this 4s over the Tesla Model S Plaid? I know the Plaid is ridiculous and is meant more as a statement, but it still is an option nonetheless.
@@crephcrafterlp4899 in the past I would totally agree with you, but this car is clearly an answer to Tesla and aiming for mostly, not all, all of the market share. Subtle differences like if you are interested in Autopilot/tech vs steering feel/Porsche sportiness might swing one buyer towards one of them over the other, but these two cars are very much direct competitors (which is a great thing for the EV market)
Porsche is made for people who want luxury and something that drives like a Porsche. Tesla is made for people who want the latest tech and care only about specs
I mean plaid is ridiculous in terms of speed but Porsche are the masters of motorsport feel. Their cars might not be the fastest out there but dam they are so good to drive. Motorsport heritage counts at the end of the day...but if your looking for crazy speed plaid easy, so $$$ justified i think.
Natural presenter - really liked the analogy of electrons. I’d buy this chap a pint..btw I love the Taycan, buy the rear wheel drive only version and thank me later 👍
"Professional driver on a closed course, do not attempt." What, accelerating? Yeah, accelerating, braking, and turning are all definitely things I shouldn't try on the street!
Why do we continually keep asking this question for decades now. 928, 944, 914, Boxster, Cayman, Cayenne, Panamera... If it's not a 911 the question has to be asked. Why? It's getting really old. You'd think that by now this question is pointless. If Porsche thinks it's a Porsche. Why do people keep asking if it is. In any case.. What even is a "real" Porsche? If the definition is 911 badging and an engine in the back. Then no. If a definition is Porsche deciding putting a new car on the road, and putting a badge on it. YES! Yes it is a real Porsche! Why don't people ask if the new C class is a real Mercedes or if any new Ferrari is a real Ferrari. It's a stupid question...
Lmao. Even Porsche said synthetic fuel will be too expensive. Most likely it will only be used in racecars and very expensive supercars where the owners have no problem spending upwards of 10 dollars a gallon for it.
Not going to happen. With EVs already firmly anckered into the market, power being cheap and the infrastructure growing rapidly there's not going to be a switch. These industries always go for evolutionary change rather than actually revolutionary change, unless the latter simply blows the alternative out of the water. Synth fuel just doesn't do that for cars, and it certainly won't be cheaper.
all the above comments + synth fuel still has the issue of local air pollution; cities ban highly polluting cars not to save the planet but improve air quality, synth fuel doesn't really fix this
@@hydrochloricacid2146 EVs are not in any market by consumer demand, they are a heavily subsidized government boondoggle. Tesla should be bankrupt if the market had anything to say about it and Obama did not bail Elon out.
Im sure if you had sound and vibration thrown in you would have more fun. Oh wait thats an ICE. That said i still love this of any BEV. Id argue its the best right now. But im me not some influencer. ;)
In this blue it does look even smarter. Its just looks really smart. One only can dream. I will never own this car but thats ok :) Im happy for everybody who can experience this car :) You lucky bastards :D
I really like the spec on this one too. If I was being a bit picky, I'd option the 20" Turbo Aero wheels over the ones on this spec. That being said, I still really like its wheels.
Wait a second, are the acceleration and deceleration noises real? If so the car actually has pretty decent sound (at least not that high pitch ear pearcing stuff from other cars).
I don't like the way that EVs go for physical buttons less. Putting everything into a software and one or two touch screens feels just wrong and cheap, and we are also introducing more software bugs. I hope they really don't build Caymen that way.
Taycan Turbo? If it's an EV, where does the turbo fit in? There is no turbo to be found. An additional motor? Yes. But no turbo. I love Porsche, but this is phony badging that harkens to a time of ICE. A major boneheaded move IMO.
Porsche don't like to change much. that is why this design has it origins more than 80 years ago in Tatra 97. Design that Ferdinand stole and made VW bug out of.
Im sorry but you should be charging at home, not out and about. These ppl who spend countless $$ on the car but think they save themselves 600 bucks for a level 2 charger at home? WTF?! Oh you rent? Well dont buy an ev dammit. Its forcing a ball through a cube.
It's 'PORSCHE' - there is NO 'A' at the end of Porsche! It's a "EH" sound at the end. All you North American ppl who won't even bother to learn the propper pronounciation of Dr. F Porsche last name are insulting to the whole brand!
Electrify America was seeded with $2BN from Volkswagen as part of their penance for Dieselgate. The question now is whether the widespread customer dissatisfaction with EA was due to VW not putting their heart into the project, which seems insane given their product roadmap even back then, or VW just screwing up the infrastructure side of the EV business with typical German auto company hubris. Perhaps this is a moot point with Tesla opening up Superchargers to other EVs but it bears watching the infrastructure side as we perhaps see Tesla pivot to a services company in addition to a product company longer term.
@@Coconut7403 Electric cars have zero use in the less populated parts of the country. They simply will not go far enough to be useful. Besides there is no sound. What good is that?
@@N-Scale EVs are in their infancy so the range that they are capable of is going to change. I never really got the sound part. Who cares if your car makes 110 db if you get overtaken by a family sedan. But to each their own.
@@N-Scale sorry, but we are talking about EVs that doesn't mean they have to use lithium batteries. Ever heard of hydrogen powered cars? Furthermore, there are countries that are not the US that have better electrical grids and use more renewable energy.
No. Just no. Sorry, you can point at me next time a glacier melts but I will NOT sit inside something that sounds like a sewing machine mated to an electric trolley-car.
Garbage 1. EVs don't go where I want to go when I want to get there. 20-40 minutes to charge to 80% at select locations? I can fill up 100% in under 5 minutes anywhere. 2. EVs cannot be easily rescued. Someone can bring me a gallon of gas if I run out on the side of the road. I can also carry an extra gallon in the trunk. 3. EVs weigh tons more and will cause more infrastructure damage to roads and bridges. 4. EV accidents create catastrophic fires from their batteries that can be incredibly hard to fight by fire departments, making them a death trap. These fires consume thousands of gallons more drinking water to put out. 5. EV batteries lose their ability to store a full charge over time and will dramatically decrease their range the longer you have the EV.
no one take an electric Porsche seriously. No one. I was at Atlanta Porsche delivery center, and not one customer wanted to drive these stupid electric vehicles
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The baseball stadium analogy was perfect. Well done on this review Zack and Hagerty!
“You want to yell at them, but it’s not ok to yell at other peoples’ kids… but it should be.” 🤣
Absolutely awesome
That battery charging explanation was on point! Great review
Technically any time you’re yelling at someone you’re always yelling at someone else’s kid.
Let's sell this motivational poster next to the "Live. Laugh. Love" ones at Target.
A friend of mine has a Taycon 4S. To say that it's impressive is a gross understatement. It might not be the strongest Taycon they make, but it's pretty darned good anyway!
Totally spot on in saying "you don't need more than 480 hp".
In these day an age we expect to see huge numbers constantly or else it's "slow", but my daily is a sedan with 'only' 300 hp and truthfully I don't see a need for much more in city or highway traffic at all.
As much as I want the Taycan Turbo, realistically speaking, the 4S with the Performance Battery Plus is much more realistic. It can still do 0-60 in as little as 3.4 seconds.
and before you know it, you got old.
Well done Zack. Really the only reason I kept watching a car that's been heavily covered.
The dynamic duo is back
You guys are doing a great job, especially like the part where Dai feels and Zack thinks.
Its like top gear, but you can trust what the hosts say
oh look an EV that has gauges and numbers behind the steering wheel like a proper driver's car. But I guess Tesla wants to sell you the autonomous driving so you really won't drive anymore at some point. I can see there is a market for that. But for me, I still want to enjoy driving for years to come even on long road trips.
yup, thats exactly right about Tesla for sure. Wish they also made packages that were more driver centric, but I think as an enthusiast that also wants to go electric I'll be waiting for the Taycan-style EV tech to trickle down to something like a hot hatch.
They should make an electric 911 with the battery dangling over the rear axle.
Agree. Too funny
Most Enthusiast dont have that much money to drop on a car of this price. Maybe in 10-15 years when we have more affordable enthusiasts level EVs . Electric will catch on a lot faster when you cater to the majority of enthusiast car buyers. But i get this stuff will trickle in the more affordable market far down the road… who knows though
problem is battery degradation, I'm really not sure how viable the 2nd-hand market is gonna be for EVs without being able to easily refurbish or replace batteries
The same could be said for any Porsche in general
@@OhSome1HasThisName yes that's why I have been on the sideline when it comes to BEV adoption. The eight year warranty at 70% is concerning. 15 year at 60% would be ideal if manufacturers don't offer refurbishment or replacement support at reasonable costs.
not for all of us. we care about engines, modding, shifting, and the economy
It is a Porsche at the end of the day, so I suspect you'll have to look elsewhere for entry level EV sports cars. Mazda is a likely one.
💯 Tesla is not the only EV manufacturer. Taycan is not cheap. You are $150-250k cdn. But…Porsche did an amazing job on it. Driving wise and aesthetically.
yTaycan starts at $79,900
I've decided that I really do not mind those spaceship sounds that they pipe into these things hahaha
Same. They got me.
The Taycan is the best electric car on sale in my opinion.
We still need a cheap and fun EV sports car though.
Next Miata is confirmed to be EV
@@Cant_Frag I didn't know that.
Me sitting around: I bet those $100K+ electric Porches are slow and dull.
Hagerty: Surprise they are fast and a have cool options.
Me: Oh.
What happened with Barn Find Hunter? No updates in 2 months. I hope Tom is okay?
These look stunning in person, I get 928 vibes from it
The stadium metaphor was perfect!
Great job Zack and Dai!!!
Zack killing the analogy game!
I love the sound it makes!!
Great review and the Taycan is such a cool car.
"482 horsepower, you don't need more than that."
Yeah but we don't buy cars like this based on 'need'. It's about 'want'. And I want more power.
Mooooo power baby!!!
were the hell are you going to use anything over 200
And you can have it if you want - especially from Porsche
Porsche is advertising 522hp on the 4S with the Overboost function
You want more power than the other person.
Can't wait for Graphene Batteries to become a real thing!
Sorry, Zack, but I can't see any EV being a collectible.
So true!
@@Gandalf721 EVs can’t really be collectable. 10 years max and you need to replace it pretty much. You can’t just refurbish batteries like you can can an ICE.
Love this series. Zach is great. Dai too.
Drink every time Zack says Et Cetera lololol JK great review!
Can’t wait until these start coming off leases
Dai's voice is so calming and soothing... And you feel it, right?
Excellent review !
Zack, nice battery charging analogy, I think that will help people (generally) understand how the tech works at least a little better. Good job, keep up the great work.
911 over this at any day... just that...
Everyone knows that Tesla range measurements are done with the WT method. Wishful Thinking 🙂😜
Whatever. Have fun charging your Porsche with a 3rd party charger. Maybe you'll be lucky soon to charge at a Tesla supercharger.
That Porsche is a huge rip off compared to Tesla.
@@Tuck_Frump New flash - we all will charge with "3rd party charger" it will be a no-brainer. In the US its catching up right now - in Europe it's already the case, there are far more "3rd party" charger than Tesla.
The Tesla is rattlely tin can compared to the Porsche and way over priced -but hey what ever floats your boat.
WT 🤣
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 yawn. NO it's not. It's not as great as tesla.
@@Tuck_Frump it starts from 79k
Can't wait if Porsche makes a GT3 EV.
You know, given the insanity that is the Turbo S (their are several reviews that will look at you and say that it's too much speed).... I am not sure that I want them to try and make an equivalent "GT#" spec.
Where is Cammisa? ...More Cammisa please
In your opinion, does the Porsche brand/build quality/heritage justify the 130K price tag on this 4s over the Tesla Model S Plaid? I know the Plaid is ridiculous and is meant more as a statement, but it still is an option nonetheless.
You can’t compare Tesla and Porsche, they Target entirely different customer grounds.
@@crephcrafterlp4899 in the past I would totally agree with you, but this car is clearly an answer to Tesla and aiming for mostly, not all, all of the market share. Subtle differences like if you are interested in Autopilot/tech vs steering feel/Porsche sportiness might swing one buyer towards one of them over the other, but these two cars are very much direct competitors (which is a great thing for the EV market)
Porsche is made for people who want luxury and something that drives like a Porsche. Tesla is made for people who want the latest tech and care only about specs
I mean the model S, faster or not, seems positively pedestrian in comparison to the Porsche
I mean plaid is ridiculous in terms of speed but Porsche are the masters of motorsport feel. Their cars might not be the fastest out there but dam they are so good to drive. Motorsport heritage counts at the end of the day...but if your looking for crazy speed plaid easy, so $$$ justified i think.
These vids are great! My only complaint is that it’s quite short.
Came to see what a drift champion thinks of an EV, stayed for Zach's analogies.
Looking forward for you to test more EV like the ID4 and ioniq 5.
In Tesla vehicles the brake pedal does not perform any regeneration. It is only connected to the brake rotors.
Natural presenter - really liked the analogy of electrons. I’d buy this chap a pint..btw I love the Taycan, buy the rear wheel drive only version and thank me later 👍
"Professional driver on a closed course, do not attempt."
What, accelerating? Yeah, accelerating, braking, and turning are all definitely things I shouldn't try on the street!
Why do we continually keep asking this question for decades now. 928, 944, 914, Boxster, Cayman, Cayenne, Panamera... If it's not a 911 the question has to be asked. Why? It's getting really old. You'd think that by now this question is pointless. If Porsche thinks it's a Porsche. Why do people keep asking if it is. In any case.. What even is a "real" Porsche? If the definition is 911 badging and an engine in the back. Then no. If a definition is Porsche deciding putting a new car on the road, and putting a badge on it. YES! Yes it is a real Porsche! Why don't people ask if the new C class is a real Mercedes or if any new Ferrari is a real Ferrari. It's a stupid question...
Is that engine noises the beginning of the video
It took me however many RATED videos there are to figure out that Zack is from //BIG MUSCLE's video crew...
i would have no problem yelling at other peoples kids if necessary
Real drivers don’t want one-pedal driving where the car brakes for you, because you want full control.
Could have a better color..ugh:( How much did the recharge cost?
Porsche have unlimited free charge at electrify America stations for three years so it is free, this wasn’t a privately owned car so he had to pay
the blended braking is not ideal. Pedal can be quite inconsistent at times, especially on track.
What track is this? What a beautiful location.
Great review! Maybe consider cutting down on using the word “etc”
Every time a racecar driver gets in a electric car and goes through a corner, the first thing they say is this car is heavy.
All this EV market would be dead when Syntho fuel came out !
Lmao. Even Porsche said synthetic fuel will be too expensive. Most likely it will only be used in racecars and very expensive supercars where the owners have no problem spending upwards of 10 dollars a gallon for it.
@@adamb3129 We will see , on the future
Not going to happen. With EVs already firmly anckered into the market, power being cheap and the infrastructure growing rapidly there's not going to be a switch.
These industries always go for evolutionary change rather than actually revolutionary change, unless the latter simply blows the alternative out of the water. Synth fuel just doesn't do that for cars, and it certainly won't be cheaper.
all the above comments + synth fuel still has the issue of local air pollution; cities ban highly polluting cars not to save the planet but improve air quality, synth fuel doesn't really fix this
@@hydrochloricacid2146 EVs are not in any market by consumer demand, they are a heavily subsidized government boondoggle. Tesla should be bankrupt if the market had anything to say about it and Obama did not bail Elon out.
He reminds me of Hal Sparks
Im sure if you had sound and vibration thrown in you would have more fun. Oh wait thats an ICE. That said i still love this of any BEV. Id argue its the best right now. But im me not some influencer. ;)
Beautiful car
In this blue it does look even smarter.
Its just looks really smart.
One only can dream.
I will never own this car but thats ok :)
Im happy for everybody who can experience this car :)
You lucky bastards :D
I really like the spec on this one too. If I was being a bit picky, I'd option the 20" Turbo Aero wheels over the ones on this spec. That being said, I still really like its wheels.
it is as much a porsche, as it is a turbo
I dont like it... I love the feeling the rumble of a combustion engine...
Love Porsche 🫀
Wait a second, are the acceleration and deceleration noises real? If so the car actually has pretty decent sound (at least not that high pitch ear pearcing stuff from other cars).
Artificially generated by the car. They are audible both inside and outside.
Where do I recognize hosts voice from? ACS?
What's ACS?
The Smoking Tire podcast
@@zackklapman3569 Adam Carolla Show perhaps??
@@Krazy_Shorts Thought he was a lackey for Adam Carolla show. But yeah, I forgot I listen to The Smoking Tire also. Just been a minute.
Yelling at kids you say.... go on...
I don't like the way that EVs go for physical buttons less. Putting everything into a software and one or two touch screens feels just wrong and cheap, and we are also introducing more software bugs. I hope they really don't build Caymen that way.
Soon as I found out it was electric, I left!!!!
wow these are nearly as fast as the tesla plaid
not at all, a plaid reaches 155mph in 9.3 seconds, the taycan takes 18 seconds.
Love the fact it's going all electric around me 🌳🌳🌳🌳
Our family owns Porsche's...this is not an attractive car.
*Cue up the sound of the Brubaker Box in ArkII.
It comes with free online guitar lessons, you can practice while charging the battery.
Taycan Turbo? If it's an EV, where does the turbo fit in? There is no turbo to be found. An additional motor? Yes. But no turbo. I love Porsche, but this is phony badging that harkens to a time of ICE. A major boneheaded move IMO.
Maybe it refers to the fan in the heater
Porsche don't like to change much. that is why this design has it origins more than 80 years ago in Tatra 97. Design that Ferdinand stole and made VW bug out of.
Porsche uses Turbo to designate a performance level. Every 991.2 and 992 is a turbo - did you complain about that too? Better than your Corolla Sport.
Audi Etron Gt looks way better…
Buy a classic 911 turbo. And a new prius. Job done.. your welcome. Now go do the washing up 👋😛
Middle spec is 130,000 dollars…. Who is this for again?
now you guys gotta experience a Plaid.
*Just make sure to change the brakes before hitting a track.*
what for? as usual fast in the straight line and destroys the brakes.
Does his mom know he snuck her Porsche out?
Surprise surprise, another Hagerty video with a whopping zero shots of the dash/gauge cluster from the driver's perspective.
Im sorry but you should be charging at home, not out and about. These ppl who spend countless $$ on the car but think they save themselves 600 bucks for a level 2 charger at home? WTF?! Oh you rent? Well dont buy an ev dammit. Its forcing a ball through a cube.
If you can afford this car you can afford to charge it anywhere.
Is this the real or fake zach klapman?
Warp speed anyone?
It's 'PORSCHE' - there is NO 'A' at the end of Porsche! It's a "EH" sound at the end. All you North American ppl who won't even bother to learn the propper pronounciation of Dr. F Porsche last name are insulting to the whole brand!
Rubbish car. Great review
$100k to save gas and delude yourself into thinking you're "saving the environment"...lol...carry on people.
it starts from 79k
Ev cars are not interesting.
Electrify America was seeded with $2BN from Volkswagen as part of their penance for Dieselgate. The question now is whether the widespread customer dissatisfaction with EA was due to VW not putting their heart into the project, which seems insane given their product roadmap even back then, or VW just screwing up the infrastructure side of the EV business with typical German auto company hubris. Perhaps this is a moot point with Tesla opening up Superchargers to other EVs but it bears watching the infrastructure side as we perhaps see Tesla pivot to a services company in addition to a product company longer term.
Meh, it's not a manual and no sound experience.
Porsche Golf cart
Who yells at a kid? You yell at the parents.
Listen, you can yell at your employees and I'll yell at mine, ok? :)
NEVER BUY AN ELECTRIC !!!!
Why? I mean it's clearly more powerful than internal combustion
@@Coconut7403 Electric cars have zero use in the less populated parts of the country. They simply will not go far enough to be useful. Besides there is no sound. What good is that?
@@N-Scale EVs are in their infancy so the range that they are capable of is going to change. I never really got the sound part. Who cares if your car makes 110 db if you get overtaken by a family sedan. But to each their own.
@@N-Scale sorry, but we are talking about EVs that doesn't mean they have to use lithium batteries. Ever heard of hydrogen powered cars? Furthermore, there are countries that are not the US that have better electrical grids and use more renewable energy.
@@N-Scale Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same.
No. Just no. Sorry, you can point at me next time a glacier melts but I will NOT sit inside something that sounds like a sewing machine mated to an electric trolley-car.
etcetera....
launch, with no sound, nothing there, boring.
First!
a battery Porsche. no thanks
Did you drive any? I did and it's great
@@zillsburyy1 how is an electric car 'woke'
@@zillsburyy1 since when is a 100K sportscar "woke"?
@@hydrochloricacid2146 starts at 79k $
Gas pedal 😂
Garbage
1. EVs don't go where I want to go when I want to get there. 20-40 minutes to charge to 80% at select locations? I can fill up 100% in under 5 minutes anywhere.
2. EVs cannot be easily rescued. Someone can bring me a gallon of gas if I run out on the side of the road. I can also carry an extra gallon in the trunk.
3. EVs weigh tons more and will cause more infrastructure damage to roads and bridges.
4. EV accidents create catastrophic fires from their batteries that can be incredibly hard to fight by fire departments, making them a death trap. These fires consume thousands of gallons more drinking water to put out.
5. EV batteries lose their ability to store a full charge over time and will dramatically decrease their range the longer you have the EV.
Ditch Zach. I stopped watching smoking tire because of this guy
Giving interior & tech a 9?? WTF? The infotainment is so outdated and slow.
That mid range is not better than a model 3 performance or model y performance.
apart from the fact is much better build.
Define better lol. If you want to go fast in a straight line and feel like you’re in a rental car, sure Tesla is better 😂
no one take an electric Porsche seriously. No one. I was at Atlanta Porsche delivery center, and not one customer wanted to drive these stupid electric vehicles
Sorry but its junk and I say that with deep regret!
What makes it junk? I dont know much about these in general, but a 130000 price tag i am curious
@@SharkAttackSkinder Its a warmed over VW I would never pay this much!
@@arthurhackman3229 that is a super high price.. and not even for their "top end" model. I will take your word for it. Thank you.