BRAW coming to Sony Cinema Cameras!
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- Опубликовано: 25 сен 2024
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At a surprise announcement Blackmagic Design showed of a tech demo of their Video Assist monitor recording b-raw from a Sony FX6.
Coming in Q4 2024 initially to the FX9 and FX6 hopefully we will see it on the FX3 in the near future as well.
I discuss what this means and should you invest in a Blackmagic Video Assist?
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JUSTICE FOR THE A7SIII
tired of this shit like we need something new
@@bearish. oh ye srry that i cant buy a new camera every year. I have a uni to pay for .and also sorry that i dnt want to “””upgrade “”” my current a7SIII to the same camera in a now metal body.
@@poti732 lol i'm on your side brother.
@@bearish. whaat your comment didnt sound like thst at all. Like i was getting “ Im tried of this shit we need something new “ like u are tired of this argument thst the a7SIII ppl are Always wanting the pro features like w the shutter angle.
😂😂😂😂😂
BRAW is my favorite codec to work with, hands down. To have an autofocusing camera that includes BRAW internal is like my dream.
I hope it comes to the FX30 as well. If it doesn't, then I'm going forward with switching to LUMIX.
Join the LUMIX gang!
What makes you want to switch so bad? is it just BRAW and Opengate?
@@owenjenkinsofficial better image, cheaper, more video features (desqueeze, waveform, etc etc )
@@owenjenkinsofficial BRAW is my favorite RAW format to work with. It's so good to work with, I switched to Blackmagic cameras.
Bye bye
Open Gate FX3 damn it!
It has the gigabit per second to do it.
Sadly I dont think we will see that. In fact it looks like Panasonic, Blackmagic and Fujifilm are the only ones really pursuing open gate in this price bracket.
@@JonathanPalfreythe only one with a bad AF and a bad software 😭
Finally we can use Sony sensor without the backed in sharpening and noise reduction!
Thats a big point I forgot to mention.
What you mean? Even in the best internal codec from sony cinema line, there is digital sharpening and noise reduction? Cannot disable that? :O
@@edengate1 Yes
@@coin777 And the only way to mitigate this is to record in raw? Damn...
What do you mean finally? you can still do that with the Nina V when you record externally.
I disagree that there should be a definition between "Cinema" Line and anything else. There should not be software imposed limitations that limit your ability to use modern tech. It's such an unfortunate thing when these things should all be getting cheaper.
I understand but software and new features do take time and money to develop and thats got to come from somewhere. I guess Sony's mindset is it's better for the Cine line users to pay for that development as they want it while keeping the alpha cameras cheaper.
To be fair to Sony they traditionally have been very good at giving more than anyone else regardless of level of the camera. S-Log3 and pro codecs have been in all of their cameras for a long time unlike Canon who only now have let C-Log2 appear in their hybrids.
@@JonathanPalfrey That's fair, but why the heck did the a7sIII put on the wrong side of that line. It was out 5 months before fx6 and 8 months before the fx3. It's not a still hybrid camera, its video first so it just sucks that they put arbitrarily put it on the wrong side of the "cinema" lineup.
@@NakeanWickliff Yeah it's just the weird way these companies work as separate entities. Sony have been making smartphones for years with great screens yet somehow they cant stick one of them in their camera despite the R&D and supply chain already being there.
Internal raw is 100% necessary. Sony needs to just put it in a camera and let Nikon sue them. Sony will easily win that case and Nikon doesn't have the deep pockets like Sony, so the longer the case goes on the more it will hurt Nikon.
That's not how lawsuits work, 9 times out of 10 they will get hit with a cease and desist until it gets to court which will stop a lot of production, regardless if you got a lot of money certain injunctions will block you no matter how powerful and which you are And Sony is smart enough to not fall for that trap
sony literally has raw with XOCN they should put that in their future cameras going forward
Necessary is a stretch, vast majority of clients don’t want raw as deliverables. You’d also spend more on storage, from a technical perspective raw is great, from a business pov raw is bloated af
Didn’t they lose already against Red? I don’t if it can be re trialed
If Braw comes to sony, im swapping to sony
Hopefully they update the zvE1
PLEASEEE
@@LimitlessVisualMedia I just got it few months ago, love it
We can only hope
That's not a cinema camera.
@@z352kdaf8324 you just hurt our feelings 😂
It's only for fx6/fx9
For now (fingers crossed).
If they don't include for their other cinema cameras (FX3, FX30) then it just becomes a niche feature.
They said the fx6 and fx9 first then they will look to bring it to the fx3 and fx30
As a FCPX editor who can shoot PRRaw via Ninja V, the BRaw is nice to open up more usability, but I don’t find PRRaw files that crazy huge (especially none QT) and FCPX edits them like butter. I don’t shoot a lot of raw anyway. I thought I would shoot more raw, but slog3 10bit is enough for almost everything I do. Cool to see BRaw coming to Sony though!
I do agree that raw generally is a bit overrated. 90% of the time I have no need to do any major changes to the exposure or white balance so the 10bit file is more than good enough. Copying files quicker and getting them backed up is generally more important for most shoots.
@@JonathanPalfrey raw is just another tool in the box. I would not call it an absolute necessity, but the 5-10% extra it might give in certain applications might be the difference.
Sad to hear nothing for the Alpha series. Looks like I'll still be converting ProRes RAW to Cinema DNG for the foreseeable future...
Nraw is amazing. Sony had to respond in some way
Yeah but Nikon did this first with the OG Z6 years ago
I think we've just reached a tipping point where Sony could no longer ignore these features in other cameras.
They had quite an advantage in a lot of areas so didn't care that other brands might have internal raw etc. Now that competition is getting much tighter so I guess they felt they needed to do something about it.
My temptations of switching had nothing to do with Raw.
Canon has a much better lens lineup for me as a sports doc shooter who is capturing highlights as well as the off field things. 24-105 f2.8 100-300 f2.8 and the upcoming 200-500 f4.
I don’t know if I’ll switch my personal kit away from Sony at this point because I’m moving away from freelance and back to working directly for a team.
If I was to buy from scratch for a department right now I’d be getting Red bodies with RF mounts
That's an interesting reason. I think most peoples biggest criticism is the lack of lens options with RF so it's interesting for you the range is a reason to switch.
they better add this feature to the A1. it's bs that I got a flaship camera that is more than capable of doing all of this and yet is capped by software.
Thanks for playing
Sony showed their true unethical colors and are now losing customers as a result. Nice, well deserved
If Sony doesn’t bring it to the Alpha cameras, I’m going to Nikon
Same here, I'm already thinking about boycotting sony altogether after their disastrous firmware rollouts which are literally breaking cameras. On top of that they have the audacity to charge 700 dollars to have it sent back in. Fucking moronic company
I used to shoot BM and have a 7” Video Assist around so I might do a little testing. But the monitor itself is heavy and adds a lot of bulk to an FX6 rig so I doubt I would use it much if at all. XAVC is fine for most situations.
Yeah the bulkiness is what's put me off getting one in the past. I think I'd only get the 5in if I was to pick one up.
@@JonathanPalfrey And keep in mind the primary recording medium is SD cards. Frame rates are limited with the Video Assist.
You got me with the no lens cap, immediate stress haha
I know, right?!? Why do RUclipsrs do this?
This sounds awesome and confusing. If the camera has that capability why doesnt sony just make a better log profile? I use my a7iv with my bmpcc 4k and the files are way easier to edit and to grade on the black magic.
good news! i returned to canon CLOG RAW because sony colours and blackmagic gear not so reliable...so.
I'd 100% never take it off my FX3 if it's coming lmao, might still switch brands in the long run but for now it's enough
I don’t know how often I will use BRaw on my Sony FX3 because like you, I’m not a fan of recording externally (also you can’t record internationally with external raw simultaneously). There’s too much that can go wrong and adding more potential points of failure.
You’ll also have to buy a video assist if you don’t have one. They’re great monitors but it makes the fx3 more bulky and I keep my fx3 to a minimum set up.
Also there’s already a way to get raw metadata control internally from Sony cameras that is native to Resolve anyway.
But when the job calls for it, I will likely just rent one (that is once it access for fx3 becomes available)
I wonder if this RED RAW Patent is going to expire. With the updates of the C80 and C400, Sony will soon be forced to offer a RAW internal format for their next-generation cinema cameras.
It's technically all software then. So why aren't there companies trying to R&D this stuff for the non cinema line? Cause that's right, most people refuse to understand the camera hardware capabilities.
My main question is will it change the way we expose footage on our Sony cameras? I’m just getting used to using cine EI and I’m so used to always over exposing slog 3, would we still need to keep an eye on this after all the sensor and noise floor will still be the same whether we are shooting slog or braw
Im shocked by the comments where so many see "Options" as a bad thing. What the actual heck, it's not like they will take away your previous shooting modes and force you to use just Braw. I'll never understand what people have against options, it just blows my mind. It's a software implementation buds, not like they're adding 4 more screws to your camera body or take up disk space you can't later use for yourself. If the development stops they complain, if the dev continues they complain. Actually many of us have asked for Sony braw support for years. You don't need it just don't use it like the rest 80% of options you have in that menu. Easy peasy. 🤷♂️
Honestly the firmware update 5.0 on the FX30 has been such a sh!t show I don't know if I'll ever buy another Sony camera... and I love Sony cameras
You Sony fanboys lol
They will never leave their training wheels behind, lol
@@Fedorevsky weird take when sony makes the venice
Will this be external recording or internal recording (BRAW)?
5:08 i think it is just enough at the moment. We are kind of used to Sony being so far ahead since the A7siii and i wish they would bring a FX3 mkii with internal RAW capabilities. A nicer display(A7RV maybe) would be nice, the AI chip with even better AF(also A7RV), 6K would be nice, although not necessary, Face Prio AF(as the Canons have it)
I think the FX3 is still more than good enough for most people. I realize we are just spoiled as i'm tiping(:
I n never buying sony ever again after qhat they did to a7s3 n then firmware update 3.02 frying components on the camera. If braw comes then better, if not i m never using sony anymore
Good
This was my personal wish and the only gripe I've had with Sony. BRAW is the best format out there (in my humble opinion). I even listed my FX3 for sale, very good news indeed!
I'm about to get the FX3, but I'm waiting to see if a mk2 is announced soon
braw to much space hungry codec i would prefer proress raw insted
I believe the people that speak of switching systems are talking out of their necks, switching systems is a very costly move especially for the average film maker and no camera is perfect. Switching to Nikon or Lumix, good luck but every brand has a crutch, Lumix - autofocus and Nikon - Lens support. It will trickle down but honestly the FX9 needs an upgrade especially with the release of the fx6 almost making it obsolete. PS Atomos sucks Blackmagic Video Assist would be a great monitor to couple with any brand with the added bonus of recording with SD Cards or SSD.
Even in my dreams, I didn't dare to dream of such a thing
If it is not internal, i dont see as a good thing for fx3 for example.
mane those mointers have NO d-tap smh....useless lol
Nikon did this years ago with the OG Nikon Z6
This is HUUUUUGE!!! internal???
Do you think the Blackmagic image quality and colour science will be replicated when shooting in BRAW on a Sony?
No
The fx30?????? COME OOOOOOOOOOON!
Damn. B-Raw on the FX3 🤤
BRAW is the one!
feels like a7s line is ending now. even if a7s4 comes out now, we will just go for fx series since they are obviously not going to prioritise the a7s series.
I actually resigned and decided to switch to C400 + C80 bcam as soon as i can. The A7S3 was a great camera but it's time to move on
Nikon did it in 2019
Cries in panasonic
Ridiculous
FINALLY!
Why it’s better than atomos+prores raw?
cause its internal!
you can't use prores raw in the industry standard davinci color workflow without converting to DNG, which costs money. this skips that step and gets sony users to use davinci
@@theosophicalwanderings7696does this video said it will gonna support b raw internally?
@@theosophicalwanderings7696it’s not internal you will need a blackmagic video assist 12g HDR monitor recorder to access it.
Braw is smaller than prores raw and is more flexible than prores
WOW!
Only for fx 6/ 9 but thumbnail is fx 3 / 30 ? Kinda Misleading tbh
They said FX3 is on the cards
yeah in the ProAV live stream they said they are looking at the FX3 after the FX6/9. It seemed quite clear it wont come to any alpha cameras though.
BRAW is the best - and one of the best things about shooting on BMD cameras - surely this is to some degree BMD shooting themselves in the foot!? Very interesting. I wonder if this will improve the colour from Sonys!? Be interested to see. I wonder also if removing Sony's NR will make it less affective in low light as surely part of Sony's secret sauce here is the NR processing!?
You need BM Video Assist to record with this codec, so I think it's exactly the opposite of BM shooting themselves in the leg. They get to sell far more Video Assists.
Colors is a bit more complex. If the reason Sony colors aren't to your liking is because of the sensor, this coded will not change that. Sure, with this codec it's far easier to calibrate the colors and you can set custom calibrated LUT to your Video Assist and record using that, so you always have the perfect colors in post when using the LUT.
What comes to low light performance, this has basically no effect to it. Sony sensor design is the main reason the low light performance is so good. This codec doesn't change that. Sony NR however isn't anything super special. There are better algorithms than what Sony uses. It's not bad, but it's nothing special. DaVinci Resolve's own NR is likely pretty much on par with Sony NR, but something like Neat Video cleans the plate in comparison.
@@JonasStuart It could be a risk but I guess BMD realise they aren’t going to compete with Sony for certain features any time soon.
I think this does suggest Sony don’t have any mark 2 cameras coming any time soon and perhaps are slightly worried about the new competition. If they had new cameras with internal raw they probably wouldn’t bother working with BMD
@@JonathanPalfrey All good points! For me, loving the BMD image so much but wanting something smaller for some use cases - and for personal use. I've been looking at the Micro G2, but this would make me think twice if one of Sony's cheaper cameras had this feature.
any word from my B cams.,. fx30?!
he did say the FX line so I presume that would include the FX30. The only problem I could see is it being a different sensor and whether they see its worth the R&D matching BRAW to a sensor thats only in one cine camera.
I use s-log3 and did raw on my atmos. Does anyone really see any significant difference?
Seeing the difference is not the point when you shoot RAW. There is almost no difference visually. RAW has in some times more noice then the internal files. The benefit off shooting RAW is the flexibility to change ISO , WB etc in post before you start color correcting and then color grading.
I dont see the benfit of braw on sony when u have pro res raw with atomas V and convert pro res raw to dng
really, who the heck needs braw? In the end are you all people high paid color graders who push your files to the limit and you need raw so much really? Or are you amateur shooters who need to color correct your shooting mistakes or what? Are you getting paid so much to really justify the RAW existence?
Anyway i will only consider "playing" with raw if Sony implements the codec internally which they should already have done. I'm a geek and i really like having these extra tools even if i don't need them.
THE A7SIII WAS A BAIT AND SWITCH. NEVER BUYING ANOTHER SONY CAMERA EVER AGAIN
It's annoying but all these manufactures do it. Canon putting the C300 sensor in the C70. Red dropping their prices, Blackmagic repeatedly realising a camera then an improved version a year later.
How so?