The 2023 CFMoto 450 SS Is The BEST Sport Bike Under 500cc
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Do you think it's awesome like I do? More reviews to watch ruclips.net/p/PLC0dZgVosHtsxPvzkIDswjw2YjCVodY6Y
yes its awesome. yes you are late to the party.
I watch all of your videos and I’ve put on 2,000 miles in two months of owning my CF Moto 450 in Colorado! Great to see a big time channel giving this bike love!
What do you think about the ergos of the bike?
@@monetda-introverted-guru6376 very upright position overall. The cushion has a divot towards the front - pro: you’re more likely to be upright than forced into a more tucked position; con: groin area is usually pushed against the tank so I’m getting tank grips. I have a friend with a Honda SP2 and he finds my bike much more comfortable - just ya know less fast
@@OakLaneRacing Thanks for the info and reply. I’m picking mines up next week and I’m stoked. Just sold my vrod because while a great bike, its drinks gas like i drink Coronas 😬😂.
@@monetda-introverted-guru6376 the bike tracks it’s own consumption, I get about 62-64mpg. Enjoy the bike and welcome to the CF family 😎
@@OakLaneRacing Thanks brother!!
I got one of these as my first new bike after learning on a small old Buell, I was looking at all the usual ~400cc bikes even ninja 650 but for the price and features chose this. So far it's been amazing, plenty of power to commute on the highway and comfortable enough around the city too. I would totally let you borrow it but New England is about as far away as could be.
How long have you had it?
Hi. Can I please ask, I've got a new 450 about a month ago and I was wondering do you get a clunk or thud when you change gears? The gear thud or clunk is worse on down shifts. Does your bike do this on gear changes? I've taken the bike back to the dealers twice now and they tell me this is normal. Do you get the same thing?
@richardchileshe9910 depending on the rpm it does seem to 'clunk' sound but most of the time it doesn't feel like a clunk if that makes sense
I test rode this back to back with a Ninja 400 & a Yamaha R3 and I couldn't believe how much better it felt and rode. Even the fit and finish is slightly better than the Ninja400. 3 months since I did a video and I can already see them catching on. have spotted at least 3 different 450SS' in Florida in the past few weeks.
I live in central FL and just got one last week 😊 LOVE IT
Resale value, service locations, accessories, reliability?
Heard about these a few years ago. Glad to see the company is still putting out consistent bangers.
Red China.
@@santiagomatamoros7885 stay mad I guess?
@@santiagomatamoros7885you can hate on their comunist government all you want, I don't like it either, but associating all chinese brands with it is bad, especially when they're not even those that make software like tencent or riot who're going to collect data on you to send to their government with their games or short form video platform. And you might as well hate on apple because I bet you might be using on of their products, there's a high chance you do, and everything apple makes is built in china, a lot of things are nowadays even if the companies behind them are not from china. So get your head out of your behind and maybe look at your country too, if you're in the us you're no better than china, workers in the us are also worked to death, just look at how they banned water breaks in texas for construction workers, before looking at someone on the other side of the fence.
@@santiagomatamoros7885Dang! You need to turn that tv off my guy.
@santiagomatamoros7885 With the way bike prices have been going up in recent years, it's refreshing to have competition in the market.
After 23 years of not having a two wheel mode of transpo, I've been itching to get back. This ride absolutely stirs me in all the right ways!
Man, I'm on the same boat as you. This thing is sick!
Man that thing rumbles like R1CP4 low down .. Not a big fan of any CFMoto, but this thing definitely would make me reconsider my words! Sweet sounding 270 strum...
I never looked at any of their stuff thinking it was bad because it's a chinese brand. But this dude kept praising this bike in this video so I looked more into cfmoto and their beginner bikes and I kinda changed my mind and am impressed a little. First off they offer great features at good prices, and secondly they're apparently working with ktm and they even build a few engines for them. So I'm starting to think they're actually great to buy. They even seem to sell well here in europe and they're even offering a 5 year warranty which is insane since as a beginner here you're limited for 2 years to motorcycles under 45hp or under 90hp with a 45hp limiter in place, so you could get this brand new and much cheaper than any of the current japanese beginner bikes, keep it for 2 years and sell it to the next person who still has 3 years left on the warranty, making it great for resell. Like the 300sr which has been on the market for 2 years is selling 2nd hand for around 3 to 3.5k euros and they all have 3 or 4 years left to their warranties, a new one being only 4k euros, still a great discount and you can put that money towards better gear. And the best thing about these bikes they're selling is that they're putting pressure on the japanese brands to improve, and that's a good enough reason to like these bikes.
@@vali69 Same, I've been a die-hard Honda guy for years but this is seriously making me rethink about getting one of these in the future.
@@wajalama I have a Honda and man it seems like Hondas are the bottom of the barrel in terms of performance and value. Least they are reliable?
@@TheMiniWumbo Bro, I don't even know if I can say they're more reliable than the rest of the brands anymore either. My previous CB300R had some noticeable QC issues when I had it, probably since Honda isn't really making their bikes from Japan anymore.
I guess the only modern bike that they offer that's high quality and good performance would be their CBR1000RR / CBR1000RR-R SP, but those aren't even in the same price range or class lmao
@@wajalama Lol for real, but for a liter bike I might as well look at BMW or a H2 instead. When I upgrade I'll probably end up picking up a CF 450 SS as long as they are reliable
It's awesome that I asked you to try these bikes out a couple months ago and you actually did! I'm considering the ibex 800 as my first adv bike
I bought this bike this past Saturday because of this review and I freaking love it! It's crazy to think I ride my 2023 Suzuki Hayabusa and my CFMOTO450SS and I think I have more fun on the 450 lol...the busa is just too much at times. Thank you for your reviews!
Hi. Can I please ask, I've got a new 450 about a month ago and I was wondering do you get a clunk or thud when you change gears? The gear thud or clunk is worse on down shifts. Does your bike do this on gear changes? I've taken the bike back to the dealers twice now and they tell me this is normal. Do you get the same thing?
I got this as my very first bike and it sure is fast as shit coming from nothing. I would recommend this to any first time rider if your confident in your abilities. 100% recommend to anyone wanting a new bike whether a beginner or not it is fun!
Hi. Can I please ask, I've got a new 450 about a month ago and I was wondering do you get a clunk or thud when you change gears? The gear thud or clunk is worse on down shifts. Does your bike do this on gear changes? I've taken the bike back to the dealers twice now and they tell me this is normal. Do you get the same thing?
@@richardchileshe9910did u ever get it figure out?
@richardchileshe9910 it's possibly the slipper clutch springs engaging but I'm no engineer
I love your videos, man! I finished taking my MSF course (passed) and received my Motorcycle Endorsment onto my DL's. I saw this make and model at my local powersports shop and I couldnt believe the price, especially for the look and technology that this bike carries. It literally is a bang for your buck.
This will be my first bike ever and I will definitely be riding it as a start to climbing up the cc's.
Good highs, good lows! Ride safe, brother!
Been doing as much research as possible on this bike and I’m sold. Thing sounds amazing with the SC Project exhaust too 🙏🔥🏍️💨
Dude, I love the way this thing looks. I'm 6'1 240lbs. I've had a ton of bikes from a ninja 300 to 1000. I never thought I'd wanna ride again but this thing makes me wanna go buy one.
Great review! I’ve just bought the 2024 CFMOTO 450SRS with the single swing arm and I’m loving it! Fantastic first bike! 👍🏼
CF Moto is no joke and has never been.
I hope he tries MT650, or Adventura, w/e is its name over there. I got one and the more I ride the more I love it.
CF Moto's strongest bike is MT800. It has KTM's engine, looks and rides perfect.
Never buy commie motorcycles unless you’re a sympathizer.
Awesome bike! Just got mine and love it!
You’re a commie.
I sat on one yesterday and it's definitely a more aggressive feel. I really wanted one, but for long trips it'd crack the back
Love this bike can’t wait to pick mine up this summer 😍
Hi. Can I please ask, I've got a new 450 about a month ago and I was wondering do you get a clunk or thud when you change gears? The gear thud or clunk is worse on down shifts. Does your bike do this on gear changes? I've taken the bike back to the dealers twice now and they tell me this is normal. Do you get the same thing?
awesome vid on all 3 bikes. I owned their 300nk, as my first bike. Loving it so far, and will definitely upgrade to this in the future.
I sat on that today I really don’t like the looks of naked bikes
Was just thinking bout getting one of these soon and u made a vid, nicee
Thank you! I have a 3yo rc200 getting ready to evolve into this.. 🤩
I'd like to see this in a race track and put to its' paces and see how it stacks up to the RC390s and Ninja 400s etc
I watched a video of this bike winning just about every race against a cbr500
450ss beats them both. Both in accel and top end.
@@SenateKT-uc2idwhat about the handling and suspension?
@@superbarnie Probably its best attribute. it has inverted front forks and an adjustable rear shock. At 350lbs the bike handles even better than my R6. It feels like it was made for the track.
@@SenateKT-uc2id Curb weight is listed at 370 lbs, compared to 360 on a Ninja 400. The forks are not adjustable and the rear is only preload adjustable, no damping adjustment. But I'd expect it to handle better than R6 nonetheless. My ninja 400 does too, in fact handles better than any other bike I've tried except for my supermoto yz450f. I did have to upgrade the rear shock though, as the factory ones are lacking.
Ok... this is getting nuts... is CF Moto going to upset the big 4 for entry level sport bike and naked bike spots? Is the Ninja no longer king of beginner sport bikes? still curious about longevity/durability.... but damn these bikes look really good. crazy times we live in.
It most likely is. In my country this is probably the hottest entry level sportbike out there. The performance and price are off the charts comparing it to other bikes like the ninja400 or cbr500r and even the r3.
@@emmma8321 I honestly hope they do. the big 4 have gotten soft in their old ag. they need something like this to scare them back into a more competitive mindset.
I have to admit I have been fighting with some biases about these bikes... I want to like them because they look really good... but there is the whole "Chinese bike in a box" thing that I'm trying very hard to ignore while I consider these bikes. These seem very different than that. So I'm trying to keep an open mind.
@@joetheagent I work at a large dealership that sells CFMoto along with Japanese brands. The initial quality of CF bikes has been good. Parts availability, warranty coverage, technical help, etc. has been excellent. The customers who have taken a chance on one have been satisfied, myself included.
@@emmma8321 The moto is inexpensive because it is built by slaves. How stupid are you?
@@joetheagent You’re fighting your instincts. Much different than keeping an open mind.
Stops from 2 mph-"Brakes are great, great brakes!"
had this beauty for a month now and totally love it. as a first bike it's just perfect: light, forgiving, linear power, and some cool tech. AMA
How comfortable it is? I really like it, but i want to do a fairly long trip 7300km(4500miles) so I'm not sure if one of these is the best choice due to the stance, is just one trip but it is a long one
@@cassaia7805 even though is quite comfortable I would not recommend it for such long trips as you’re still a bit hunched over. After two hours of riding I started to feel a bit tired around the lower back area. I would rather go for something like a Ninja650 (you would also benefit from the increased power while cruising) or a cb500/650f. At high speeds the wind is deflected right into your helmet and shoulders, which offers you good support and ventilation but tends to be quite noisy. It feels even noisier than a naked bike with no wind deflector at all.
It is an awesome bike and I would recommend it to anyone, but not for very long trips as it is not a pure tourer.
@@kimo_db thanks for the info, I'll take a look at something more comfortable
@@cassaia7805 enjoy your trip and ride safe!
This bike is absolutely great definitely the best in its class in my opinion.
One of the bike that ask "What more would you ask for??"
Can't wait for the bike launch next year in my country!
and bmw looks aswell im glad i saw this video i didnt know cf moto but they make really great bikes damn these are gonna be sold out soon next big thing taking over the sportbike game especially for beginners
I think this is the one. Thanks for the review,.
Sorry I knew what's g p shifting. I am learning right now before getting on a bike and school training Thank you
270 degree cranks sure sounds great
I would love to see you try the CFMoto 800mt. Very curious on your feedback on that one
This is a good looking bike but the 700 CL-X Sport looks amazing. Anyway saying “I would buy it” is not the same as buying it. Only time will tell if these bikes will be reliable and the ease or not of parts availability.
It's beautiful! No modes and no quick shifter now that's enticing although I hate fairings but seriously for how long is CF going to keep those relatively low sweet prices? If I was an American I would be stocking up on their products before the real pricing sets in. Some people just have it all.
I like this bike, not for what it is but what it can do competition wise in the 400 class. It's a wake up call for Ninja 400 and R3 to step up their game!
YES!!!!
This is the one I'll be adopting. The decision is now final.
You should try the 800MT next time. I just know you'll love it
Man what a great looking motorcycle. Got me looking into the CF MOTO's. Especially for the price point. Better snag them up before they get pricey
Price will probably increase once the company is more reputable
I can't wait to see what the next CF Moto bike is you'll be riding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
I dropped mine twice in 2 days just trying to push it 😅I’m weak but I love the bike. And you channel is amazing
u can do it brooo , keep tryingg
Love your reviews man!
Could you do a cbr650r one?
I bought a 300sr and it's a great little bike
This looks so tempting. 270 crank sound, good looks, tft display, reversible gear shifter, slipper clutch.
Basically poor mans ZX4R
Yup poor man’s ZX4R or beginner bike to get started on then upgrade later on 🤷🏾
Yup poor man’s zx4R and faster and better performance 😂
I want them to succeed, but we need some time to go by… down the road it will be interesting to see how reliable they are.
considering they own ktm and have years of experience making side by side and quads i think they'll be pretty good tbh
@@SrBiggusthey don’t own ktm, they’re in partnership with ktm to build parts for them, and have a joint venture factory in China.
Ktm is owned by Pierer Mobility AG and the Indian manufacturer Bajaj Auto
@mj_aussie_coaster_travels8310 the joint company they have, 51% is cf moto's share. All cf moto bikes apart from the 450 sr have ktm engines. The 450 is their first in house motorcycle engine. Cf moto have access to ktms years of experience in the field and R'n'D. They dont own KTM but the point i was making about reliability still stands.
@@SrBiggusno 650s and 300s have modified kawasaki engines
Now they need to make a 400/450 class adventure bike.
Damn good looking bike. Clean & simple👌🏿
I almost fell in love with this bike from the beginning of the video but…my legs are shot and super aggressive positions don’t feel good. The Ninja 300 stays in my garage a little longer 😂
I'm 5'3" and I have to say the seat height on the 450ss is amazing. I can comfortably put a leg down without feeling like I'm going to tip the thing over. Compared to the seat height on the RC390 which is absurdly high for an entry level sports bike. It gives you a confident feel when you're sitting on it.
@@calhk65would you say a 5'6 can flat foot on it?
Bought one. Love it. Tail tidy install blew something and I can’t touch it because of warranty…. Only draw back I have found.
weird
@@MotoJitsu yeah I called to get a new relay and dealer told me that. Frustrating because I only get one day a week to drill. Oh well. Guess I’ll do some “mental training “ have a good day bro. Love your content and books.
lots of motorcycle books to read besides mine
@@MotoJitsu yeah I have Code’s book I think I’ll do that today.
That dash is amazing would imagine seeing something that nice on a bmw.
I saw this late last year when looking for first bikes/ track bikes. its an amazing bike, i went with the ninja, its already such a known bike in the scene, with so many aftermarket upgrades available. Once this starts circulating more im sure after market scene will start to sprout
The ninja falls short in a lot of areas compared to many bikes according to a lot of reviews.
@@JessicaSimonson1976lol what are you on about? I have one and it's great. Faster than a r3, and more reliable and practical than a rc390. And it's the best handling bike I've ever owned.
@@superbarnie I ride a CF Moto 450SS Ninja has nothing on it... Many don't know the Ninja in US Market is built here....overseas built in China past 20 some years. So when you guys call them Japanese bikes, only in name sake are they Japanese. Many Yamahas and Suzukis Ares still built in China. With Suzuki slowly shifting back to Japan something Honda did 12+ years ago. In doing so seen quality issues with Honda's.
Getting back to Ninjas people complain about rider peg position would like it lower, also many Ninjas are over priced, have had little updates in years. Explains why the aftermarket is there, a perfect bike shouldn't require upgrades. Shouldn't require clutch/brake levers, master cylinders, speed shifters, exhaust....For the over inflated price a TFT dash, and all that stuff should be included, they could also shift away from the Nissan brakes.....and use better.
ninja >@@JessicaSimonson1976
This is my favorite for looks. It's beautiful! 😍 It would prob only be better if they make a 650/700 big brother/sister 👍🏽
They have an 800 coming soon
Considering cf Moto will be working with KTM on their new 690 parallel twin series and the ibex 800 touring/adv bikes already uses the same or very similar engine that is in the 790 series i'm sure they will be putting something out to compete with the R7 using the new platform.
@@fo4ty486 and a 1000 v4
"no quick shifter"
if you had bought one instead of borrowing one, and bought it on pre-order, you woulda gotten a quick-shifter as a bonus for pre-ordering. it is a factory accessory.
Hey! I want to get into motorbikes in the near future and I really like how this bike looks. Since you said it might be better than its competitors, I really consider buying it. The thing is I would like to ride with my gf after i get some experience, but the passenger seat looks really tight, really small. How confortable is? Or a better question: can I take a passenger on that seat?
Bought the one of these in Australia two months ago. Couldn’t be happier with my decision for a first bike. Just bought an exhaust for it too.
Which exhaust did you go with? Congrats on the bike too. I want to see these bikes prove themselves overtime and CFMOTO to succeed.
@@salskars6637 sc project but it's an eBay knockoff. I'm told they would pretty much the same for 10% of the price. And there's little to no aftermarket support for these bikes atm so I didn't really have an option
Hello brother, I’m going to pick up mine tomorrow. Is it legal to change the muffler for LAMS??
@@Gilgamesh203 No sir. It’s very much illegal.
@@elifarrow1781 - I just got a notification for the last two replies - not your "ebay knockoff" reply.
I love a bargain knockoff and it sounds awesome.
The moderen intergration is nice.
Engine was originally designed for KTM but they abandoned this size. They also make engines for KTM and Yamaha and some of Yamahas frames it’s not a fly by night company these will do well I’m going to test ride one soon the price for what you get is a really good deal
I wish Canada had dealers like you guys in the good old USA
well here in San Diego we can ride year round...so obviously that's a huge difference
If cfmoto ever bring out an 600cc sportbike I would definitely buy it
My son just got this bike. it’s definitely an awesome bike.
Hi. Can I please ask, I've got a new 450 about a month ago and I was wondering do you get a clunk or thud when you change gears? The gear thud or clunk is worse on down shifts. Does your bike do this on gear changes? I've taken the bike back to the dealers twice now and they tell me this is normal. Do you get the same thing?
@@richardchileshe9910 haven’t noticed that in third gear.
the mt800 and 650 is for me but this thing looks great
i have a dealer 25 minutes away... definitely giving them a call tomorrow to see if they have one in stock lol
It would be great to see you ride the 450 around the twistiest.
looks so good
just enjoyed all of your CFMOTO videos, if you were buying one and planned to ride not often which model would you buy? I used to right sport bikes when younger, but older now and wonder how comfy this is compared to the others you rode.
If you are considering buying a CF brand motorcycle, depending on your age, you may be worried that the 450SR will be tiring after riding for a long time. I can only say that it is a little more tiring than the Ninja 400 for daily riding. Of course you can also consider 800MT Exploration, or their new 450NK/450MT/450CLC
Also clx 250 and clx 700 are pretty nice
This Bike looks, like it has a Big Future
For me its between this and the rc390. I am very tall so the peg hight thing is something I have to compromise on but there are some dealers neer my house so it will be easy to test drive this.
I’m getting one today 🎉
I’m assuming you picked one up. How is it?
now thats a good bike!!!!
Hey I'm thinking bout getting one..but can you get the pipes on here to make it louder?
Do the 2024 now im boutta buy the zircon black next month
I have one. It’s my 3rd bike so I bought it for commuting as my fz1 is too much sometimes. Bike is super fun and pretty quick little machine.
How long have you had it?
Hi. Can I please ask, I've got a new 450 about a month ago and I was wondering do you get a clunk or thud when you change gears? The gear thud or clunk is worse on down shifts. Does your bike do this on gear changes? I've taken the bike back to the dealers twice now and they tell me this is normal. Do you get the same thing?
@@richardchileshe9910 I don’t but it’s hard to say without hearing your issue. Maybe try switching to gp shift to see if it stops
@@GeezusWalks-ef4do since june
Im planning on getting my first motorcycle next spring and im debating on this or the ninja 400. On paper the cfmoto seems better in every way but im not sure about reliability and parts availability
Parts can be bought all over. From: exhaust, seats, tanks, body panels, you name it.
I've been eyeing this, but, through my journey to dip my toes into motorcycles, I've heard servicing them is an issue? My nearest CFMoto dealership is like two hours away... Can these be services by other places? Do CFMoto dealerships double as service departments? I've also seen that the service intervals are significantly less than other brands like Kawasaki, Yamaha, etc.?
Looks nice 👍
that tft display probably spies on its users tho. looks cool!
Juggling between this or the cbr 500r as my first bike. Both roughly same price for what I’m looking at. Such a tough choice
How would it stack up against something like the Ktm RC390?
Would you buy this or suggest I stick to it Duke 200. Which overheats 24/7.
How is getting aftermarket parts to make it yours.
I'd be keen to see your impression on CF Moto 300sr too
Yes. It's strange to have a 450 choice option and yet the 300sr still competes aesthetically. Actually the 300sr looks a bit better imo. Both awesome so it would depend on mpg / restriction by A-2 age etc...
What is the break in period for the 450ss?
I’m coming back to this video because I’m taking my msf and probably going to buy the 300ss and eventually going to give to my lady. you think 300 or 450?
I own one and I love it , you go too easy on throttle not much rpm cos mine second gear 12000rpm can do 130km easy , I did modify exhaust to Austin racing and sounds like r6
have u tried the Kawasaki ZX-4RR yet? the brand new 400cc inline 4 'screamer' ? lol. seems like a sweet little mini 600rr but more forgiving
Too expensive though
Compared to R3, how hot does the engine get?
Hello, I have the same motorcycle but it does not have the Tbox device to use the GPS, do you know where I can get it? Do you know a dealer that sells that motorcycle and you can ask him? I like the bike but I feel that it is incomplete without the Tbox
can those handlebars be lowered at all the one thing that gets me with learner bikes it the bars a way too high
Whats your thought on cf moto 450ss or ninja 500 se?
Those sell out fast!
They fall apart fast too.
Boycott Red China.
Gotta compare an RC390 now! Looks to be the same TFT dash. Also has adjustable suspension and lots of other similar features
no. even though cfmoto make the ktm engines for them, these are nothing alike.
this is a 270degree twin with an extra 60cc's, fully faired (even the dash is not the same, its got gps tracking and turn by turn navigation, standard). this thing shits all over 390's, and the extra $1.5k is fully justified, whereas the 390 is overpriced for its class.
The CF dash looks nothing like the RC dash. CF dash is easily one of the best dash’s around on any bike ever
Thats the same exhaust they use on the lxr 380 and 125 or the GP witch is the same bike but different name this bike looks nice
We will see later on is it good or not l am wating too see a year too see flows
On sr 300 clutch are bad and cost was 600$ so?
Can anyone test ride bike at that dealer? I live in San Diego also and was curious about that..... One question on the cf. Is it hard to get parts for it?
qj motors with their 400cc says hold my beer
If they only changed the rear section of this bike it would look nice af
The sound of the exhaust is mainly different cause it has a 270° stroke whereas a ninja 400 has a 180°
CF factory is in my town .may best motobike brand in China now. cooperate with KTM and Yamaha now. make some good stuff 🎉
Looks lovely, but where I live there are Chinese bikes left in peoples gardens that have probably broken down..I love the design, but will it last ? I've read some of you lovely peoples comments, and totally believe what you say. Knowing this it would be a very, very tempting to buy one as it looks ace quality and design,, thank you All...Andre..
It's a reliable brand bro, I own the 400NK and 650MT of cfmoto both of them are in amazing condition with more than 15k miles on them.
cfmoto has been proven in asia, its not the typical chinese brand people think about. theres a reason they succeeded in asia and europe before coming to the north american market.
They be making ATV's for long time for USA market.
@@emmma8321 Owned a MT650 that thing was a POS. 2500km and Fuel tank sensor was bad right from factory, kick stand sensor was bad. Electronics were buggy. Oh and cooked your crotch. Needed to wait 3.5 months for parts. Garbage warranty 5 years or 10,000km.. Really 10k km.. So many CFMoto shils on these reviews.
@@Happypillz unfortunately, you got a lemon unit my boy. I used my 650MT for an "IronMan" ride in my country which essentially is a 1200km loop across the northern part of our nation. And i didn't encounter any problem with it. It performed extremely well
This bike looks amazing compared to the Ninja 400 but I'm quoting out insurance and it's bonkers! Maybe because it's so new?