I compared CF Moto 450SS, Ninja 400 & Yamaha R3 in detail
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VIDEO DESCRIPTION
I test rode the CFMOTO 450SS, Kawasaki Ninja 400 and the Yamaha R3 back to back to find out how this new Chinese small displacement motorcycle compares with the contemporary Japanese sport bikes that have been ruling the market the world over.
The video will help potential buyers compare and make up their mind about the value proposition the CFMOTO 450SS brings and how it stacks up on price, looks, equipment, ride quality and cost of ownership when compared with the Kawasaki Ninja 400 and the Yamaha YZF R3.
I got this opportunity earlier this march to ride them back to back at Daytona Bike Week that is held every year in Daytona, Florida, USA.
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Links to videos I watched while researching about the CFMOTO 450SS:
• This sport bike is wor...
• All I can say about th...
• 2023 CFMOTO 450SR UK R...
• Sound Check | SC Proje...
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Chapters:
Comparison Parameters: (0:00)
Looks & Exhaust Note: (0:32)
Engine, Transmission and brakes: (01:40)
Weight & Seat Height: (03:28)
Accessories and Rider Aids: (04:17)
Suspension and Tires: (05:17)
Fuel Efficiency: (06:44)
Service Intervals: (07:25)
Price and Warranty: (08:02)
Reliability & Parts Availability: (08:25)
Resale Value: (10:19)
Conclusion: (10:37)
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Great video, very informative and straightforward.
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CFMoto is making a name here in the Philippines; NK400 and 300/450 ss/sr just like the KTM's, people buy these bikes 'cuz they're cheap and they're testing it's reliability, it just takes time for the people to trust this new motorcycle brand, especially they came from China, people really don't look Chinese products as reliable as the Japanese one.
True. At the moment, it seems that CFMoto may be a company that's trying their best to change the negative perception about Chinese motorcycles. They have been suppliers for other manufacturers for a while. It may take a while, but if they can keep up good work and keep improving, they might just get there like the Japanese did back in the 70s
Is there a difference between cf moto ss and sr
As far as I’m aware, it’s the same motorcycle being branded as SS in North America and SR in Europe and elsewhere. There is also an SR-S in some South East Asian countries which does have some differences, a single sided swing-arm being one of the most notable ones.
Nk250 is Rock solid bike. We often use in Turkiye.
It's nice to see CFMoto finally getting some respect in the USA. Definitely giving the Ninja 400 a run for it's money. :)
Thanks for watching and commenting. Please share with others who may find this comparison interesting.
Dude was comparing a CF moto 450 versus two 300cc bikes. The ninja 400 would roll over this CF moto 450 like it was a scooter. The CF 300 is slower then a 2008-2012 ninja 250r , it's Chinese so until they really get their crap together they'll always take a back seat to Japanese bikes
Still cheaper than the ninja and r3@@waynegove73
@waynegove73 I've seen other tests with the Ninja 400 vs. CF 450, and they are about equal in speed. Personally, I'd take the Kawasaki just because I know I can get replacement parts, and the resale value will stay higher than some off-brand bike with no real support.
As a matter of fact every comparison video iv see. So far shows the 450sr is in fact slightly faster then the ninja 400 in top speed and definitely out performs the ninja 400 in torque
when you question too much of cf moto reliability, and you havent notice one of your 4 year old quads are from them hahaha.
The SCT tires are Cheng Shin, a known brand. Can't say they're known for being much more than cheap but usable. Aftermarket parts are more available overseas, so shopping around you'll possibly find what you're looking for. Right now for the U.S. Cf moto is just starting their motorcycle line, but they've had their off road quads here for years, the shop I'm with has sold them for years and they've overall been ok so long as they're not beaten hard. The engines overall have been reliable. Being as KTM is a major shareholder in Cf, and they build a number of KTM bikes, I'd say they will prove themselves pretty well given time. I'm old enough to remember as a little kid "Made in Japan" meant of suspect quality and cheap.
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Just got my cf moto 450ss .. have over 1,000 miles on it. Very durable. Built better then "name" brand... I am very impressed with this bike...i came from a Harley Street glide and a yamaha R6. This bike will leave you smiling.
Awesome man! Congrats!
In what way is it "built better" than the "name" brands? You're telling me this is built better than a Honda? Explain.
That's a ringing endorsement😊. Good to know.
I have been searching for a video like this. Good work! Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks!
There ya go brotha..from talking on IG in 2020 about tracks in thailand to your RUclips success is fantastic. Proud to see you grow in this field with content development . #subscribed.. cheers Pauly.
Thanks bud! It indeed has come a long way and there's a long way to go. I'm truly grateful for all the people I've met and continue to meet along this journey! Cheers!
Top Notch Video man! Way to beat anyone else to the direct comparison with such a high quality video. Won yourself a subscriber and a like. Wish you well as a content creator!
Thanks man! I appreciate it. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Please share with others that you think may benefit from it. Cheers!
Best review of the CFMoto 450 I've seen so far. Thanks!
Thanks, I’m glad you liked it! Please share it with others and help me grow the channel.
CST tires have been around for a while. Though I have no experience with their motorsports tires, I've read good things and had good experiences with their mountain bike tires. They're a quality brand.
Thanks for sharing, that’s what I found out later in my research as well.
Very detailed review! Thank you
I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for the support.
The ninja 400 valve check interval is 42.000km everywhere except some places like california where it is indeed 24.000km. That means that the ninja 400 has identical intervals as the r3.
Thanks for pointing that out!
whoooooo!!!!that's what we call a review! nice comparison video...very informative...keep it up!
Thank you! Your encouragement means a lot to me. I’m glad you found it useful. More videos coming soon, please consider subscribing.
nice review but I would like to note that there is quick shifter available for 450SR/SS.
From who?
there is? where?
Yeah from?
@@big_smokeycorley6327 AT Racing QS Evo there's a specific version for 450sr / 450ss. I'll upload a video soon that demonstrate upshift and downshift.
@@josemirandaiii1064have you uploaded it?
great content and well informed! I'd like to see that 450SS but can't find one at all! maybe someday
Thank you! I hope you get to see one soon, it's absolutely gorgeous when you see it in person. Please share the video with others who might like the video. Thanks!
Subscribed. This was a great comparison video. I used to ride a ZX6R, but I haven't been able to ride in 5 years, so I want to get back on a small CC bike. The CFMoto looks like it is going to be my choice and I am a Kawasaki person. I think the aftermarket will be huge in the next year or so.
Thank you! I’m glad you liked it. I was mighty impressed with the cfmoto 450ss and have got a lot of positive reviews of the bike in the comments from actual owners in other countries. Reliability may actually be better than I was expecting it to be. Please share the video with others, i would highly appreciate that. More content coming soon, stay tuned and welcome to the channel! Cheers!
@@RiderXphope we get it in my country, looks very tempting, although I have a Duke 390 but I still want a small twin
@@kankit230 The Duke 390 is a lot of fun.. my favorite part is the wheelie machine character of it. But the CF motor is fun in a very different way. I hope you get to have one soon. Cheers!
curious to know if you bought a 450SR/SS and if so, what you think about it now
He didn't. Probably a CF moto bot spreading bullshit.@@ruuik
Great video, very thorough
Thank you! Please share with others who may find it helpful
Good overview of the three machines.
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best review so far. thanks!
Great Content👊👊👊👊👊very Informative every Details covered👌👌👌👌👌Love from INDIA keep Shining Brother😇
Thank you!
Great vid, thank you for comparison. I am a recent owner of 300nk, hopefully my decision was good. It was that or couple japan bikes that were 15 years older with 30k km(20k miles aprox) for the same price..went with the cf for its tech and bang for buck.
Thank you. Like I said in the video, I've been riding Japanese motorcycles for over a decade now and I'm mighty impressed with what CFMoto brings to the table. I might be doing more CFMoto videos in future so consider subscribing. You can also watch a few other comparison videos in this playlist. ruclips.net/video/VAnz6lJdJl8/видео.html&pp=gAQBiAQB
I buy a lot of smashed bikes from the auctions, for me the Ninja 400 would be dead equal to the R3, I've had 4 Ninja 400 and 2 R3.
The way the Ninja fairing all fits is a lot more simple and easy to work on. The R3, both series 1 and the current series 2 can be harder to work on.
Quality is the same.
Staying with the Kawasaki is a safer bet, parts are basically the same from 2018 to current model, the aftermarket makes a lot of parts too
Buy a CF Moto and you're on your own unless this bike really takes off
Fun fact: The unknown CST Adreno HS AS5 is a Cheng Shen Maxxis Tires.
As for the aftermarket exhausts in the Philippines, they're just Thai/other Asian copies of popular brands and are just bolt-on to the 450SR.
Awesome video. Thank you for putting this together and sharing it.
Thank you! I’m glad you liked it.
You are 100% right about the resale value...we have had CFMotos here in Oz for a few years and there is no denying that you get a lot of bang for your buck when you buy one new...But as long as you confine yourself to the fact that when trade in time comes you are getting nothing back for it...I have friends who have bought them and even the shop they bought them from was not interested in taking them back...despite the fact there was nothing really wrong with them.
The shop not taking them back is a shocker to me. Sad part is, to build a positive public perception of CF Moto products may take a decade or so.
How long have they had them for if you don't mind me asking? And why did they wanna get rid of them?
My nearby dealer had a few used ones that got sold pretty quickly. Idk why some dealers aren't taking used ones in
to be honest, I own a motorcycle from a brand called GPX from Thailand, model Demon GR200r and my friend own a 450sr. In term of reliability, both of them withstand the most of the road here in Malaysia and for the spare part mine actually can use parts from various brand such as Yamaha, Honda and Kawasaki while the 450sr can also use KTM parts ( information from the friend). I dont know if this helps other user from various country that use 450sr but try mix and match like we do in Asia. (Our gen Z are crazy about upgrading an underbone bike)
edit: sorry if my English are bad
Thank you for sharing your experience. It is helpful to others potential buyers in making their decision which is also what i’m trying to do with my videos. So thank you for your support and insights. Have a nice day!
CF moto SR-S has single side swing arm which looks nice 😎
It does. Changing tires would also be easier so it’ll make a great trackbike!
Husky 401s have ride by wire and an up/down quick shifter as standard, no additional cost. They also have rebound and compression adjustment on the fork and preload and rebound on the shock. Both the quick shifter and suspension adjusters work really well. The 2024 401s will be an all new generation. There are currently spectacular deals on 2023 Vitpilen 401s, have clip on bars and rear set pegs.
That's my favorite among the naked bikes I compared some time ago.
@@RiderXp Cheers RiderXP!
Totally getting this bike in August seems like an awesome 1st bike and it’s under 6k brand new 😁
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Almost same price as ninja 400 which we know lasts
@@rt2255 then go buy it or ride it and stop complaining about users. You probably already have it but get annoyed of how many features it actually has for its price. And yeah, maybe it's not reliable for 10 years+ but we'll find out in time.
@@rt2255 🤔 almost same price but comes with more hp, torque, abs, LED lights, Bluetooth, 5in tft, USB port, 270 degree crank, etc No comparison and a no brainer 450ss for the win 🏆
Great video. another Floridian from Orlando
Thanks fellow Floridian! I’m glad you liked the video.
CFMoto made a solid start and seems set to keep improving their products and presence. Takes a lot of belief, hard work and money. Kudos.
ive heard the cfmoto 450ss is absolutely amazing for the money and is extremely reliable
another thing is the cfmoto is so smooth you dont even NEED a quick shifter, if you're good at clutchless shifts already and are getting it as a second bike, you wont even notice.
What on earth are you talking about? It doesn't matter how "smooth" the transmission is - a quickshifter will always be faster and more reliable than a human at clutchless shifting.@@FutureKLX300SMowner
@@FutureKLX300SMownerGood to know. Thanks
Well said! I absolutely was blown away by the CFmoto SR- series is tops!
Your comparisons ate excellent 👌
The designs... are surely noticeable, Ducati & Augusta designer , very Italian!😊
Yeah, I loved riding it. I'm glad you liked the video. Please consider sharing it with your friends and help me grow the channel.
CST is a good tire at an affordable price. I've had little skids on more expensive tires but none on the CST which were cheaper at regular road pace.
I've owned cfmoto 400nk in the past no issues with it, and some nk400 owners here at PH manage to get around 100k odo on there NK's Cfmoto reliability seems ok, but 450 SR is a new platform so time will tell. Still swap my nk to r3 hehe but planning to swap my r3 to sr 450. Nice video cheers.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Like i said in the video even if they are reliable, it will take a while for positive reviews from owners over several years for the general public to start believing in their reliability. When Japanese bikes were introduced in the US, believe it or not, they we’re considered unreliable. And today they are considered so reliable that a 2-3 yr used japane bike or car sells for the same price as brand new in the US. So it’s only a matter of time. Thank you for your kind words, do share the video with others that you think may like it.
here in UK the CF Moto with a four year warranty with that how can it not be reliable?
CFMoto should join pro racing like MotoGP to prove its point
At the moment, they do have their own racing series but racing with other manufacturers would definitely be a good idea. If not MotoGP(more money involved), at least they should show up in WSBK,BSB and other championships in key regions.
450SS is Single Sided Swing Arm, 450SR is regular swingarm. Different in that aspect. Also the 450SR is slightly heavier due to Euro restrictions exhaust.
The one with single sided swing arm, is called 450 SR-S in rest of the world and 450 SS-S in North America. It hasn’t been released in North America at the time of making this video.
The CST tires... Very surprised, I'm leaning to max angle on my CFmoto and they are sticky here in the Twisties and mountain ranges of Spain you can easily tell the type of performance with the CST tires ...
Having said that I will be changing to Michelin tires in the near future when I'm ready for a change. This way I will be able to compare. As Michelin has never let me down...
I like the sr450, but the biggest buzz killer is the lack of aftermarket parts in the US. Cfmoto needs to realize this fact, if they want to establish themselves state side. Maybe create their own line of exhaust systems, quick shifter, suspension upgrades, etc. Their ATV ‘s have plenty by comparison.
Like I said, it’s a matter of time before most of those aspects get addressed.
4K is bang for buck
CFMoto makes the engines for the Ninja 400s and has had a contract with KTM btw
They do. What surprises me is how well they package their own bikes. Recently I rode the KTM 790 and CFMoto 800Nk back to back and was immersed with how CF moto packaged the same bike better than KTM.
good job
Ninja 400 still for me any day. Reliability and peace of mind is a lot better for me than going to the shop monthly for a pain in the ass. I gave up cfmoto due to the amount of crap i spent and the time wasted for such a crap
I'm sold I'm picking 1 up
I do not care who made it if it is solid.
I'm of the same opinion. As time goes by, if it is built solid, people will start accepting it more. I can already see a lot of 450SS in Central Florida where I live.
What brand is your track bike? Just curious, thanks!
It’s a Kawasaki ZX6R. Here’s a short track video: ruclips.net/video/veon7pEbHVA/видео.html
Should check the swing arms they are very cheaply put together
Would love a comparison againts the rc390
I had wanted to do it but couldn’t find one to test ride around here. Once I do, I will definitely do a rehash of this video
It's only the same weight in the US, the EU version is heavier and like 2 HP less? Bringing it to the same hp/weight ratio. Regulations something something.
one of the main things holding me back from cf is hearing it takes months to get parts including easy use parts like oil and filters.
It should get better with time.
its just hown long is time? i feel like its a beginner bike so the time needed would be squandered till the eventual upgrade no?
@@RiderXp
That’s fair. Although usually new bikes don’t exactly breakdown that easy & one could buy parts(needed for regular service etc.) ahead of time in anticipation to avoid having to wait when they’re actually needed. Not the best solution but if one really does like the bike, there can be work arounds. I’m actually surprised that the bike is indeed catching on quite quickly in the US; I’ve spotted several in Central Florida since I’ve posted this video.
CF MOTOR is bang for the buck! It’s really good almost in every way 😂😂😂😂
I'm actually pleasantly surprised by the positive response it's getting in the US lately.
I first rode a CF Moto in 2002ish. In Canada, they could get you a bike called a v3 and later a v5. If you get a moment, google a picture of one; it's historically bad looking. This new bike feels like finding out your dumb nephew - whom you never really talk to - just finished his master's degree and is doing really great actually, thanks. Nice to see they're doing alright after not hearing from them for 20 years.
Haha! I love that cousin analogy. It is pretty impressive how the company has evolved. They do seem serious about improving and getting competitive.
Is that one of those weird half cruiser half scooter things they made? I've seen them for peanuts here in Australia, I'm tempted to pick one up as I think they'll be a cult classic one day if CFmoto really manages to get sales up like the Big4
I wish my 2023 700 clx had that display the 450 has that’s so much nicer
Hope you had a great time in Daytona Beach! I was the one of the instructers for Yamaha and the R7.
Thank you! I did! Unfortunately, Yamahas are the only ones I didn't test ride at Daytona Bike week demos because they weren't willing to let me film and I needed that for the video comparisons. That's why I had to request a friend for her R3.
watching this from romania where the 450sr is $4500 :)
Thanks for watching. Lucky you!
Better gas in the UK lets service slide farther. We have less octane in the US. That can contaminate oil or use it more abusively.
Fair, but I would imagine that gets cancelled out with the high cost of fuel. Of all the countries I've been to, fuel prices in the UK were the highest.
Already viewed a video of the CF Moto dumping cooling water consistently ? Hang on reliability is proven over time?
Like I said, time will tell. More data points and user reviews would help make a better judgement. But until then, early adopters will keep taking the plunge help the rest of us observe from the sidelines.
Exact same price tag on the 2024 YZF-R3 & 450SS @ my local shop....
BIRDS OF PREY MOTORSPORTS... $5,499 + FREIGHT, SETUP, TAX, TITLE & DOC fee's...
Which one do you prefer?
@@RiderXp well at the moment I have the 2015 r3. I've never been a Kawasaki Ninja guy so the ninja 400 is out. And honestly there are three is fine and all but I kind of like the look and overall feel and all of the extras that you get with the 450ss. I'm honestly planning on buying one before the end of the year.
@airdreams1 I actually really like the R3 for track. Fun Fact: the specific R3 I rode in this video, later on went on to become a track bike and won a 3 hour endurance race against stock Ninja 400s (There are more nuances to our win, like more talented riders in our team etc. but we were impressed with that little ripper). For street application, the CF Moto is just undeniably more fun to ride and loaded with tech for the price. Since making the video, I've seen a bunch of them on the streets. Looks like people are liking them quite a lot. You might’ve found yourself a pretty good deal there! Good luck and ride safe!
If it's gear box is anywhere near r3 then it would be absolutely amazing to ride, we have our preconceptions about chinese quality but cf moto vehicles looks well built
I was in disbelief the whole time. Not only because it was a Chinese built bike but also because there are very few motorcycles in the small capacity segment that ride that well. Unless they have a major goof up, I have a feeling CFMoto will be a major contender in the times to come.
CST tires i think Maxxis bought that copany
This bike is using the engine from the cancelled Duke 490/RC 490.
source?
Source?
Do you know that the R3 ia the pnly in line twin in todays market. Parallel twin and inline twin are different. Inline twin resembles the inline 4. Means its more expensive to manufacture than parallel . And has better handling and sound. The sound quality of R3 when you used full exhaust is loud. Thats because of the orientation of the crankshaft. Means if one piston goes up, the other one goes down. Thays why the R3 has higher rev than other bikes in its class. Its liek a baby 600 supersports coz its piston is big with short stroke generating good power at higher revs.
Can we import CF moto 450 sr in India now ??????
CFMoto has been in India for a few yrs, you should try and find out with the local dealer
The real test is time. I have a 2009 ninja 250r ( 18th bike, it was cheap) 41,000 miles and still going , it's 13ish mph faster then the CF moto 300 which has a Kawasaki dash , where I live we have lots of Chinese scooters that all Die around 5,000 miles , I call all of the Chinese bikes Tampon bikes as they are temporary and throw away , Japan has proven itself beyond need. CF moto is almost Japanese prices, $5000+ for a 300cc , rather spend a lil more for a Ninja 400cc.
In terms of handling and rideability the CFMoto 450SS felt better (not significantly but noticeably) than the Ninja 400. Having said that, I agree that time will tell if CFMoto proves itself to be a reliable motorcycle manufacturer. Until then, the real challenge for early adopters would be resale value.
The same bike comes in India with the brand name Keeway with 300 cc engine.
Interesting. I will look it on my next trip to India next month.
@@RiderXpThe CF Moto 450SR is launching next month.
Parts can be bought...so a non issue
Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
Cfmoto has a horizontally opposed twin not a parallel.
CFMoto engineers disagree with you
I'm not a fan of the digital speedo/tachs that are prevalent on new bikes. I like the semi-analog instrument cluster on the ninja. Sadly, it's going the way of the dinosaurs (like me). 😕
I actually like the analog-digital hybrid instrument cluster on my 2019 ZX6R too. But looks like digital console is the future. You and I are in the same boat haha! Thanks for watching and commenting, please share the video with others who may find it interesting.
for those who do tires, CST aren't new in this business, FYI
Yes, I have learnt that now. That's the best part of doing what I love, I learn so many new things with each video. cheers!
I want this bike, I have to save up
Best wishes! Thanks for watching!
Same bro
Hopefully by Christmas
I’ll have 1
when it will be avaible in India?
I'm not sure at the moment. CFMoto as a company has been present in India for over 3 yrs now but I couldn't find any information on the 450SR yet.
@@RiderXp This bike would be a really good addition to indian market now with R3 back in the game and KTM new 390 generation with 399cc
if they make it 4 lakhs I would buy it for sure.
Let's say the service interfalls of cfmoto are for long life.
That's an interesting deduction. More service is definitely better than infrequent maintenance.
coz they are 270% crank
to me, why the SR is superior, is because of the *CROSSPLANE* (I'm a 'sucker' for crossplanes)
If they hold up in reliability, they will end up being the better bikes. The ride quality was indeed better than the rest.
@@RiderXp i daydream they'd make an ADV\dualsport with this 450!!
I’m sure if they get a good response to this one, they would consider venturing into more styles with it
Cross plane useless when brpken
@@rt2255 well, tell that to all MOTO GP crossplanes, and tell that also to YAMAHA who started the hype and made a reliable CP2 & CP4 after their big bang in 2009 MOTO GP crossplane debut
Cheeck out Main Street Cycle in mississippi
i think u missed the fact that the 450ss/sr (in the EU) has a 270 crank and sounds 3x better than the r3 and ninja 400, also CF moto is partnered with KTM so i gues their bikes are gona be failrly comparable talking about reliability.
I’m pretty sure I mentioned that in the engine specs. That 270 crank is what gives it the exhaust note and grunt. And yes, since I learnt about CFMoto I’m increasingly finding more and more positive information about their experience and credentials. It will still be hard to beat Japanese reliability but Euro bike may be fairly comparable.
They are cheap enough to not stress resale.
Fair point!
Actually the CFMOTO weighs a bit more at 178kg. Real weight measurement.
450ss new goat?
Too early to call but it’s a great move, I’m keen to see what Aprilia is bringing. Will post a video soon about how those compare.
Japanese : we are complacent
CFmoto : And i took it SERIOSULY.
We will never get this bike in India😢😢
I’m not sure about the 450 specifically but CFMoto as a company has been in India for about 3yrs now. You should check your local website etc. if they still operate there.
2 reasons people buy these bikes.
1. Beginners
These buyers usually don't buy brand new. Even if they buy brand new, they don't keep these bikes for long. Many don't ride pass couple of years. Rest moves on to bigger bikes within couple of years. Since japanese bikes are well known to be bulletproof, these people with japanese bikes will get good portion of their money back when they sell their bikes. Will cfmoto owners be able to get similar money back down the line?
2. Dedicated track bike
These guys don't ride these bikes as is from the factory. Does cfmoto bike have enough aftermarket parts to turn it into dedicated track bike?
Conclusion: unless cfmoto sell their bike at half the price of Japanese bikes, these Chinese bikes are a waste of money.
Idk why all of a sudden every RUclipsr hyping this CF moto bike?? Is it paid review to boost the sale of Chinese bike?
I wish haha! Whenever anything new hits the market, everyone is curious about it. As are people who review bikes because we’re curious to find out how it stacks up against other bikes that have been around. Also, once you start watching content related to a certain product, social media algorithms are designed to show you more of it. When reviews or promotions are paid, it’s usually smaller things like parts & accessories and that case most people do mention that it’s paid. It takes years to build a channel & credibility, it would be foolish to take money one time and ruin all that in one shot.
It might be having the best tech but to put it Simply go for the Japanese than the Chinese...you wouldn't be disappointed in terms of reliability
I'm impressed that they are using known name brand parts like Bosch, KYB, and Brembo but I'm concern with Chinese build qualities like their welding, torque specs, Chinesium metal frame and swingarm.
I have a similar point of view about them. I think eventually time will tell. There are a bunch of things that we use in day to day life that have Chinese parts or manufacturing but the key is quality control. We will see if the company is serious about making a real impact or at least a decent brand image, they will have to ensure good quality control. Apparently, people do like CF Moto products in Australia where they have been around for a while.
@RiderXp Thank you for your time and input. This is also a great track bike but I want to see how well the bike holds up after being low/high sided.
Look into this a bit more. You will find CFMOTO builds some KTM’s and i dont think you will find real major quality concerns
As CFMOTO gains grip in the US we will see resale come up and the aftermarket start supporting their bikes
as much as i want to avoid chinese products even for a $1 i wouldn't buy it... everybody knows china communists government is ALL EVIL..!!
My cf moto short circuited in the rain and I traded for the quicker Kawasaki. Best decision hands down.
Based decision and the only appropriate one
Oh wow. I'm Trying to decide between the two right now. Skeptical of the cf's reliability
@@ExcursionRipzzgo with the ninja 400.. you wont regret it in the long run
Call bullshit! The Kawa is not quicker. Absolutely no one who's ridden both stock says that.
Human error,maybe the owner is an idiot
CF Moto is the motorcycle equivalent of a Hyundai to cars.
Cheaper to buy but lower resale value.
Interesting analogy.
Well the bike is basically a ktm. All it’s parts are made by ktm
Then it's probably as reliable (or not) as KTMs
The reason this china bike can come even close to the Japanese is the same reason they are loosing in racing they have given up and development of any new technology and haven’t changed much mechanically in last 10 years
That's a fair point. I'm hoping they're secretly developing something to change the game all over again!
the 450sr consumes more fuel than the zx4rr as per the owners here in the PH
Thanks for sharing the insight. Cheers!
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Here we go, rip off UK again! The purchase price may be the one biggest reason that the Chinese bike will not outsell the Japanese bike’s in this Country, which is a shame really, as it was penned to be a cheaper option, being Chinese!! You also have to take into account dealer availability, spares, and reliability!!
That’s a good point. Market dynamics and how a particular company is able to navigate it for a country or region also plays a role. E.g. In the US, Honda is thought of as a cheap Japanese bike. The CB500X has the perception of a cheap but reliable adventure bike for beginners. In India, it is priced so steep compared to competitors that it has a premium motorcycle image. Triumph for some reason has been able to navigate Indian duties and political system way better than Honda has.
You can not beat Japanese motorcycles reliability so for my money I will go with either of the two Japanese motorcycles but in 5 years time the Chinese bike would close the gap on the Japanese motorcycles and then I might consider buying one
..................hop on a GSX-R750 if ya wanna blown mind
Oh I love that bike, haven’t been able to find one yet. Would love to feature it when I find it.
@@RiderXp honestly, who needs abs or gas gauge at 170mph? - ->IMO always go for the 750 over the 600, especially when it comes to GSX-R's - the 750 comes with 150hp weighing 420lbs while the gsxr600 has 125hp weighing 413lbs? ...only 7 pounds lighter but takes a huge 25hp hit!! BOTH USE THE SAME FRAME except diff motor mount placement due to diff engine/trans. knowing these facts got me on the 750 instead of the 600
@dopeytripod I’m aware of the gsxr750 specs but for what I wanted to do, the ZX6R just worked better for my skill level. Do you track your Gixxer?
I would rather take an r6 used.
New all is fine how is it in 20k miles 30k miles or will that china bike last that long, we know how the jap bikes hold up. It cost as much but is it as good, not new everything nice new but does it hold up, engine trans suspension on cheap made bikes usually fail faster.
All fair points. Like I said, only time will tell if this one holds up!