Iron Wire stiched. However. Whenever you have reffered to either plastic or rubber, it seems as if you only used the production planer. Those do not use the fule loop to massivly improve outbut of Rubber/plastic. That loop can make 900 units of plastic, at the cost of 300 oil, so i'd defenetly use the rubber one, in a later stage of a new factory build.
I appreciate your approach of clarifying what is best for different situations. Most recipes are suitable for at least one specific situation depending on available local resources.
Loving the videos so far. I just wanted to point something out about the recycled plastic/rubber recipes with the canister shuffling: The amount of diluted packaged fuel you can make from one oil node making plastic/rubber ends up being double what you need to recycle the stuff youve produced. If you put the excess fuel into power generators, you actualy make more than enough power for the whole setup including packagers and water extractors!
I've tried doing the bolted plate, but involving steel+concrete in it. Sending in 9 concrete, 43 steel, and 30 iron, it can make 15 reinforced. It means it can use these alt recipes to achieve it: - Molded beam (makes steel beam with steel and concrete) - Steel screw (makes screws with steel beam) - Steel cast plate (makes plates with steel and iron)
Thanks for putting the power usage in there. Helps a lot! You videos continue to improve. Nice to see the removal of your bias that cropped up in some of your earlier videos. Keep it impartial and just informed your audience the best you can and people will love it.
It’s actually pretty impressive the degree to which you can evict screws from your playthrough. I finished the game and I think I only had one factory (heavy modular frames) that had a significant screw presence.
Adhered Iron Plates is actually a great option later game. Once you have the Diluted Fuel recipes and Recycled Rubber/Plastic it becomes very easy to make large quantities of Rubber. It becomes a lot more convenient when you're starting to deal with quantities of Reinforced Plates in the hundreds and not having to deal with belting thousands of screws or wire.
for my vertical blueprint, I'm using Fused Wire instead. Trying to use Iron Wire took too much space in the Blueprint Mk2. Using Fused Wire, I could fit 4 Assemblers (for 22.5/min) supplied by Steel Cast Plate (2 Foundries), Fused Wire (2 Assemblers). All the lifters are front-accessible for quick connection. I have way too much steel available at the main factory site (I tapped the impure sulfur node at -101k/91k past the impure coal south of there and have compacted coal running). Raw Resources per 22.5 units: 10 Caterium Ore, 6.25 Coal, 8 Copper Ore, 26 Iron Ore, 6.25 Sulfur, 23 water, 180MW (according to the Production Planner)
Adhered iron plates are extremely resource efficient if you know how to make 3 rubber from one crude oil, however, it's only viable in late-game, large-scale factories.
My fav is the adhered iron plate : it involves many alternate recipies but it is incredibly efficient if you combine it with coated iron plates, that involve plastic, and create rubber and plastic using the 2 "recycle" recipies + diluted fuel
Thanks for covering the variant recipes as well as the standard. Too often some people will give instructions that only use an alternate recipe, which is like playing roulette. Since it's random selection from so many alternate recipes when you research them, your odds of having just the right one is in the joke category. It would be nice if players could at least choose a category for the research instead of the complete crap shoot with one reroll.
It does help a lot if you go hard drive hunting early, as many of the valuable recipes are available very early on, some are even available before you build the space elevator. Yeah, there's still some RNG, but the RNG involved if you hunt early is a lot less than if you wait for having refineries and blenders and all those that explode the available pool of recipes the hard drives can roll.
Just adding a comment so The Algorithm(TM) notices that you're getting that "engagement" thing that YT's advertising executives value so highly. I also shared this video on my "Liked Videos" list. Thanks for being awesome, TVP!
I disagree with the water packaging. I built a water packaging plant a while back so that I could stop being forced to make ingots near water and honestly it's been liberating. With a couple drones going back and forth it's no trouble at all to make happen, and with the drone ports it makes it super easy to send back the empty canisters to be refilled, so you don't even need to get plastic involved in the process except to craft the finite amount of canisters you need to keep the packagers at both ends working at 100%. I absolutely agree with you about water though, it's probably the most important resource in the game when it comes to scalability. I just hated my designs being constrained to water sources so I did something about it!
i just finished a mega nuclear project which used aluminium beam recipe to make steel beams, which i turned into steel screws feeding bolted iron plates, cost me a tiny amount of aluminium but significantly reduced my iron, buildings and therefore power requirements, turned like 50 constructors down to like 10
Stitched Iron Plates say “hello, we’re available from your very first Hard Drive and far cheaper to produce.” Iron Wire would also like a word with you while you’re at it.
I'm a bit skeptical of why you're so reluctant to use plastic / rubber for your alternate recipes videos. The adhered plate recipe here is arguably the best of the 4, maybe with stitched, yet it was not really considered at all because you don't like using oil in non-oil products. I get the added complexity for a simple product might seem off-putting, however this is a recipe you unlock late in the game, meaning you will already have made a more simple stitched plate setup beforehand, and more importantly you will have trains unlocked at this point allowing easy map-wide transport with good infrastructure. Another point for it would be that oil is used for the best iron plate recipe too.
purely because crude oil is a pain to implement into every single recipe. It's a lot easier to use 89 Iron than it is to use iron and crude oil, then getting the crude oil to a refinery, then belting that to your RIP setup.
Am I the only one who just plays Satisfactory and doesn't bother with any of this micromanagement? I mean, if you need more screws, make more screws. If you need more power, make more power. I mean, getting new recipes is really cool. I personally like the Iron Alloy recipe. As well as the Fused Wire, Coated Iron plate, and the Cast Screws. For me, its a little like Christmas as a child. Never really knowing how good or bad the gift is until its opened. I don't need to min/max a playthrough. I just need to play the game and enojy the process. Don't get me wrong, the builds the community makes are amazing to look at. And if you can spend 90% of the game making crazy blueprints and you enjoy it, fantastic! But I only have about 1200hrs in this game and this is my third playthrough. I only had 2 assemblers building all my steel plates up until recently in Tier 8. I'm ready to go to Tier 9 but I'm waiting for my kid to join me so we can "ride the space elevator" together. I don't know, maybe its just me. I just play this game to have fun. All the external calculations and helper websites just feels like I'm cheating... Or working. Which I've already done today. Now I'm ready to relax and build a little of this and a little of that. Go hunting for power slugs, kill things in my way, and listen to ADA have an ever-concerning conversation with this alien entity. Not to mention carry around a boom box, while listening to a few albums with 5 songs on each tape... Classic 80s. Not to mention shoot at the cyberwagon with explosives and turbo rifle ammo. Because its more bullet-proof than the real one. That's all I want. Maybe its just me though. Cheers
@zaion8917 but you need an oil resource, and twice as many machines. Basically replacing 12 fe ingots with 4 rubber, and almost twice the machines, not including the refineries to make the rubber
@@nostrum6410 If the only use for oil / rubber was this then you would be right, but my point is that you can create a large rubber setup, let's say making 1500/min very easily, and this can provide your entire world with rubber for multiple recipes. Then in this case the only thing you need is a good train infrastructure. Overall, recipes should not be seen as a direct chain of production but rather as modular setups.
Rubber cost me with recycled rubber and optimised fuel. 0.375 oil per rubber. Meaninf it cost 5.625 oil for 15 rubber at most. At that that point. It may just be worth it.
You can just write satifactory alternate recipie tier list and find out everything but keep exploit this content and earn money with these longass videos
Which Reinforced Iron Plate recipe do you use? Thanks for watching 🍻
Timestamps:
Intro - 0:00
Reinforced Iron Plate Breakdown - 0:23
RECIPE 1 - 0:58
RECIPE 2 - 4:22
RECIPE 3 - 5:39
RECIPE 4 - 7:31
RECIPE 5 (BEST) - 10:47
Conclusion - 11:57
Outro - 12:48
Iron Wire stiched. However.
Whenever you have reffered to either plastic or rubber, it seems as if you only used the production planer. Those do not use the fule loop to massivly improve outbut of Rubber/plastic. That loop can make 900 units of plastic, at the cost of 300 oil, so i'd defenetly use the rubber one, in a later stage of a new factory build.
I appreciate your approach of clarifying what is best for different situations. Most recipes are suitable for at least one specific situation depending on available local resources.
Stitched Iron Plate. Make tons of wire for rotors and stators.
I also like to use foundaries to make Copper Ingots.
Loving the videos so far. I just wanted to point something out about the recycled plastic/rubber recipes with the canister shuffling:
The amount of diluted packaged fuel you can make from one oil node making plastic/rubber ends up being double what you need to recycle the stuff youve produced. If you put the excess fuel into power generators, you actualy make more than enough power for the whole setup including packagers and water extractors!
I've tried doing the bolted plate, but involving steel+concrete in it.
Sending in 9 concrete, 43 steel, and 30 iron, it can make 15 reinforced.
It means it can use these alt recipes to achieve it:
- Molded beam (makes steel beam with steel and concrete)
- Steel screw (makes screws with steel beam)
- Steel cast plate (makes plates with steel and iron)
Completely agree the bolted recipe is made with Steel alternatives in mind. It's the lowest power of them all at the price of having to use coal.
Thanks for putting the power usage in there. Helps a lot! You videos continue to improve. Nice to see the removal of your bias that cropped up in some of your earlier videos. Keep it impartial and just informed your audience the best you can and people will love it.
Stitched plates are now my go to recipe. With all the Iron recipes you can get clear to phase 3 almost purely with Iron.
Stitched with iron wire. No copper needed and when I utilize pure iron it's also easy on the iron ore.
Also: screw screws
It’s actually pretty impressive the degree to which you can evict screws from your playthrough. I finished the game and I think I only had one factory (heavy modular frames) that had a significant screw presence.
@@timtarbet4594 I even banished screws from that one via the iron pipes alternate recipes.
I hate screws. Built my HMF factory completely screw free and used the stitched reinforced plate and iron wire alternates
Adhered Iron Plates is actually a great option later game. Once you have the Diluted Fuel recipes and Recycled Rubber/Plastic it becomes very easy to make large quantities of Rubber. It becomes a lot more convenient when you're starting to deal with quantities of Reinforced Plates in the hundreds and not having to deal with belting thousands of screws or wire.
for my vertical blueprint, I'm using Fused Wire instead. Trying to use Iron Wire took too much space in the Blueprint Mk2.
Using Fused Wire, I could fit 4 Assemblers (for 22.5/min) supplied by Steel Cast Plate (2 Foundries), Fused Wire (2 Assemblers). All the lifters are front-accessible for quick connection. I have way too much steel available at the main factory site (I tapped the impure sulfur node at -101k/91k past the impure coal south of there and have compacted coal running).
Raw Resources per 22.5 units: 10 Caterium Ore, 6.25 Coal, 8 Copper Ore, 26 Iron Ore, 6.25 Sulfur, 23 water, 180MW (according to the Production Planner)
Basically what I did as well. As a bonus the same wire setup works for quick wire as well for those recipes that need that.
double or triple or quadruple the amount of smelters, constructors and assemblers and underclock them to reduce power usage further.
Adhered iron plates are extremely resource efficient if you know how to make 3 rubber from one crude oil, however, it's only viable in late-game, large-scale factories.
12:00 "if you have no alternate recipes" you can use this option with an alternate recipe for cast screws.
Pour one out for the people who haven’t realized you can evict screws from your factory completely.
My fav is the adhered iron plate : it involves many alternate recipies but it is incredibly efficient if you combine it with coated iron plates, that involve plastic, and create rubber and plastic using the 2 "recycle" recipies + diluted fuel
As far as Optimizing goes stitched with iron wire is indeed the best choice , make my modular frame production go sooo much beter
Thanks for covering the variant recipes as well as the standard.
Too often some people will give instructions that only use an alternate recipe, which is like playing roulette.
Since it's random selection from so many alternate recipes when you research them, your odds of having just the right one is in the joke category.
It would be nice if players could at least choose a category for the research instead of the complete crap shoot with one reroll.
It does help a lot if you go hard drive hunting early, as many of the valuable recipes are available very early on, some are even available before you build the space elevator. Yeah, there's still some RNG, but the RNG involved if you hunt early is a lot less than if you wait for having refineries and blenders and all those that explode the available pool of recipes the hard drives can roll.
Just adding a comment so The Algorithm(TM) notices that you're getting that "engagement" thing that YT's advertising executives value so highly. I also shared this video on my "Liked Videos" list.
Thanks for being awesome, TVP!
For me its also Stichen iron Plazenta with iron wird- very nice
Though for my HFM factory I did Fußes wird, since I had some Caterium lebt over
Cast screws IS one of the nicest alternatives there is - along with the purified ones.
I disagree with the water packaging. I built a water packaging plant a while back so that I could stop being forced to make ingots near water and honestly it's been liberating. With a couple drones going back and forth it's no trouble at all to make happen, and with the drone ports it makes it super easy to send back the empty canisters to be refilled, so you don't even need to get plastic involved in the process except to craft the finite amount of canisters you need to keep the packagers at both ends working at 100%.
I absolutely agree with you about water though, it's probably the most important resource in the game when it comes to scalability. I just hated my designs being constrained to water sources so I did something about it!
I stopped caring about iron cost when I got leeched iron. Leached resources are huge differences in output about 2 to 1
Stitched Plate is and has been goat, combine it with Iron Wire and its the most efficient way to make Reinforced Plates.
i just finished a mega nuclear project which used aluminium beam recipe to make steel beams, which i turned into steel screws feeding bolted iron plates, cost me a tiny amount of aluminium but significantly reduced my iron, buildings and therefore power requirements, turned like 50 constructors down to like 10
Stitched Iron Plates say “hello, we’re available from your very first Hard Drive and far cheaper to produce.” Iron Wire would also like a word with you while you’re at it.
I wanted to unlock everything before I did the last two levels of building the thingy,glad I waited for better recipies.
Recipes using coal or oil is actually even worse for power. There’s alternate cost which is using that resource for generating power instead.
What program are you using to make the graphs
once you start burning turbo, rocket and nuclear, plutonium for power, power is never an issue. these are cool breakdowns though
My first iron factory in 1.0 used the stitched iron plate + iron wire combo. I got 6 hard drives before I even made an iron factory...
I'm a bit skeptical of why you're so reluctant to use plastic / rubber for your alternate recipes videos. The adhered plate recipe here is arguably the best of the 4, maybe with stitched, yet it was not really considered at all because you don't like using oil in non-oil products.
I get the added complexity for a simple product might seem off-putting, however this is a recipe you unlock late in the game, meaning you will already have made a more simple stitched plate setup beforehand, and more importantly you will have trains unlocked at this point allowing easy map-wide transport with good infrastructure. Another point for it would be that oil is used for the best iron plate recipe too.
purely because crude oil is a pain to implement into every single recipe. It's a lot easier to use 89 Iron than it is to use iron and crude oil, then getting the crude oil to a refinery, then belting that to your RIP setup.
Am I the only one who just plays Satisfactory and doesn't bother with any of this micromanagement? I mean, if you need more screws, make more screws. If you need more power, make more power.
I mean, getting new recipes is really cool. I personally like the Iron Alloy recipe. As well as the Fused Wire, Coated Iron plate, and the Cast Screws. For me, its a little like Christmas as a child. Never really knowing how good or bad the gift is until its opened. I don't need to min/max a playthrough. I just need to play the game and enojy the process.
Don't get me wrong, the builds the community makes are amazing to look at. And if you can spend 90% of the game making crazy blueprints and you enjoy it, fantastic!
But I only have about 1200hrs in this game and this is my third playthrough.
I only had 2 assemblers building all my steel plates up until recently in Tier 8.
I'm ready to go to Tier 9 but I'm waiting for my kid to join me so we can "ride the space elevator" together.
I don't know, maybe its just me. I just play this game to have fun. All the external calculations and helper websites just feels like I'm cheating... Or working. Which I've already done today. Now I'm ready to relax and build a little of this and a little of that. Go hunting for power slugs, kill things in my way, and listen to ADA have an ever-concerning conversation with this alien entity. Not to mention carry around a boom box, while listening to a few albums with 5 songs on each tape... Classic 80s. Not to mention shoot at the cyberwagon with explosives and turbo rifle ammo. Because its more bullet-proof than the real one.
That's all I want. Maybe its just me though.
Cheers
What would the catium wire look like under a stitched plate?
Adhered Iron plates because it’s absurdly easy to make a lot of rubber
Stitched Iron plates if I need to save rubber
Absurdly easy to make a lot of rubber? Over iron?
@@nostrum6410 Yes, as the recipe is extremely efficient, the amount of rubber needed is very low.
Absolutely! Such an underrated recipe, especially for very high volumes.
@zaion8917 but you need an oil resource, and twice as many machines. Basically replacing 12 fe ingots with 4 rubber, and almost twice the machines, not including the refineries to make the rubber
@@nostrum6410 If the only use for oil / rubber was this then you would be right, but my point is that you can create a large rubber setup, let's say making 1500/min very easily, and this can provide your entire world with rubber for multiple recipes. Then in this case the only thing you need is a good train infrastructure.
Overall, recipes should not be seen as a direct chain of production but rather as modular setups.
Rubber cost me with recycled rubber and optimised fuel. 0.375 oil per rubber. Meaninf it cost 5.625 oil for 15 rubber at most. At that that point. It may just be worth it.
You can just write satifactory alternate recipie tier list and find out everything but keep exploit this content and earn money with these longass videos