Wing Chun vs ITF TKD, WT Taekwondo, and Kyokushin
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- We have some really awesome and respectful sparring sessions between wing chun practitioners and other TMA practitioners. We even are surprised at a unique ruleset that seems to make Wing Chun work. Let's watch these three matches and see what we can learn and keep pondering. Also, try my experiment at the end of the video.
The channel that originally uploaded the first and third sparring matches is called 咏春探武林
The second sparring session came from 笼之耀世界搏击巡回赛
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Timecodes:
0:00 Wing Chun vs ITF TKD
1:08 Wing Chun vs WT TKD
1:32 Wing Chun vs Kyokushin
2:37 Slower speed analysis of third sparring
4:01 Thought experiment for you 
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Just an update,: things were on the upswing for me these past few days, but today in the morning, something was off, but I still forced myself to go to Muay Thai and felt better afterwards. Appreciate all of you guys as I keep building my mental fortitude. Keep you guys posted as I continue to get better. If you want to see the channels we featured on Douyin, the keywords are listed in the description. I'll do a search on RUclips soon to see if our man has a RUclips channel.
Wish you to feel well Jerry!
Looks more like bad JKD. Not square, not moving forward, reaching to block.
That wing chun guy made that hand trapping stuff work the best in a spar I have ever seen, his technique was impressive.
I like that the wing chun guy is going light, which shows that he is controlled and has sparred before. If he hasn't sparred, then its still wonderful control
Yep, from looking at the channel, he’s definitely sparred. I’ll feature him more for sure.
Those elbow/wing blocks that the wing chun guy used is called bong sao. It's a fundamental technique you learn in the first form of siu nim tao. Essentially it uses rotation of the forearm and elbow to redirect strikes aimed at the body. Very cool to see it applied here with great effect in a kyokushin ruleset.
A better application of bong sau that you can see a fighter do is Floyd mayweather in which he often times do that along with the shoulder roll then counter with a cross or uppercut
I always appreciate traditional martial arts practitioners who pressure test their skills. You learn from experience. That's how it should be.
the wing chun vs kyokushin sparring was v interesting
Yeah, that was my favorite too!
Kevin Lee and Jeff Chan demonstrated that the wc chain punch is not only a last move in a combo but it can be some bridging technique by following up with kicks.
It is actually best used as a setup for a takedown or for taking the opponent to the fence. It works well as a distraction but on the other hands if the guy swings his arms to try to hit something while you are chain punching he will knock you out. It is as very risky technique for very little reward.
Yes. Philly shell works if you're only defending the body. We have some women who don't want head punches in my kick boxing sparring class and I practice the philly shell. Works well.
Jerry, the elbow block in boxing call Philly shell it's a great defense for the body in boxing. In kung Fu it's call a triangle block it's also good defense for the body. Many Jeet Kune Do martial artist use it as well. And in this video the two first fight no doubt Tae Kwon Do won there. No doubt those Tae Kwon Do martial artist been sparring with other martial arts discipline. Like l said before that's how you get experience and this video proves it. Another good video Jerry 👍
The elbow block/deflection in wing chun is usually called a bong sao ❤ love you Jer bear your passion for martial arts makes me not wanna give up on my journey
Wow! Good Wing Chun😮Actually saw the techniques👍
Glad you liked it!
This looks more like the Wing Chun I recognize.
Yeah....WWF
The WC guy on third sparring, looked, kinda like he trained Applied Wing Chun. Specially by the way he blocks kicks.
Bring More of those 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Wimg Chun sparring with Kyokushin is interesting because no ego is utilized, rather, they focus on learning and sparring.
That's kinda what I've been telling people for years. Muay thai and judo and wrestling etc are not 'styles' really. They're rulesets that encourage a certain collection of techniques. It'd be silly to say that Tyson and Mayweather have the same style just because they both box
This is a profound comment. I’m stealing this explanation next time I get into a “style taxonomy” discussion 😅.
Good to see some nice relaxed, light sparring. Wing chun guy is quite competent, the block/redirection with the elbow out is called Bong sao (I could be spelling that wrong, it's been a while since I trained wing chun).
I really like this fights very much, good commentery Jarry. And I hope you feel well!
I will definitely feature this wing chun guy more! He’s likely cantonese wing chun lineage, which makes me realize i should do a search on chinese social media about YKS and SN wc lineages.
Good video
There is no ITF TKD included in this video , both the TKD ppl are WT TKD , WT TKD and ITF TKD uniform have huge differences
Loved that wing chun
French poet Alain de Lille in the Middle Ages in 1175: “mille vie ducunt hominem per secula Romam,” which means “a thousand roads lead a man forever toward Rome.”
So that’s the origin of the quote?
@@FightCommentary It may go back further but that is the first written documentation known of.
There is a Chinese saying : 「條條大路通羅馬」，The last two Chinese words mean ROME. In other words, the Chinese words have a similar meaning as your French(English)
@@TheAnsonyscthat is because that Chinese phrase is a calque of the English phrase “all roads lead to Rome”👍
the downward block scoop motions are gan sao whilst the elbow blocks is similar to what i do with a bong sao so he could probably be doing the same interpretation of a modified bong sao.
Very entertaining technical sparring.
It's ironic that both wing chun and kyokushin train somewhat stationary stand and bang so it's a good match up.
Things go awry with wing chun vs TKD because in practice wing chun is supposed to fight in trapping range but a lot of these WC guys won't try to engage are are afraid of eating a kick with TKD fighters throwing relentless kicks.
I'm not sure if you are referring to bong sao in wing chun as the "elbow block" which is more a forearm deflection which you will also see in some styles of 52 Blocks. There is an elbow in WC (or what can be interpreted as swing elbows) in the 2nd form, chum kui.
The late great Wong Shun Leung (known as Bruce Lee's coach) favored a more bladed stance and stepping like a fencer. See the vintage instructional, Wing Chun: The Science of In-Fighting.
Tradtional Thai fighters favor a square stance because of all the leg kicks they have to deal with to be able to check them equally quickly on both sides. However a lot of modern Muay Thai and crossover kickboxers do use bladed stances especially for attacking because it's quicker to shuffle forward in a bladed stance. I like both. Squared defensive stance (like a karate "cat stance") when being defensive and counter striking, to a bladed stance when being aggressive.
Dude, never worry for background noise. We barely can hear anything.
I think using TKD or kyokushin rules would be a very good idea for wing chun competition and style vs. style. If you can reduce the possible targets by excluding the head/face, it might allow them to use their active defense a lot more reliably since it'll make the opponents far more predictable. It would also do a lot to lower the Muay Thai and boxing competition and maybe create more competitive parity. I would be very interested to see if a guy like this, under those limited rules, could hang with a serious kyokushin guy, MT guy, or whatever in full contact.
3:12 you mean the '耕手' for intercepting a low attack?
The axe kicks to the head were clean af. 😂
Yeah. Makes sense too because that woman was WT TKD. She mostly kicked. The first tkd guy was itf and he had more punch kick fluidity. But man that axe kick by the woman was scary!
@@FightCommentaryAndy Hug approved 👍
@@FightCommentarythe first guy uniform, was a wt uniform
Yeah, the uniform was WTF kukkiwon, but I also couldn't make out any other details.
The 1st TKDin was doing a very light and ginger roundhouse-spinning back kick combo. Properly landing that kick would hurt anyone, especially if unprepared.
Would be interesting to see Wing chun Dragon pole vs Swiss pike.
That’s interesting!
nice slow sparring
seemed very wing chun to me, very distinct, not "just" kickboxing or boxing. Overall a pretty nice performance for wing chun, although I think the kyokushin guy would have had him pretty easily in full contact. You can absorb a lot of these light shots with your arms but a real full power kyokushin kick, particularly that spinning heel kick to the temple that landed, are not to be tanked.
Light contact sparring is equal to shadow boxing. I think that it's only for beginners to build confidence
Jeet kune do or wing chun?
Fight Commentary Have you ever seen a fighter use a low spinning heel kick?
It’s happened on the UFC
Try finding Filipino martials, and make a review it's also interesting.
those block strikes look like Koppo Jutsu to me
There's a lot of Wing Choon in there. I'm sure I saw some targeting of the biceps and forearms (light touches of course). Strikes like that can be destructive. Don't know if the are legal in most sports. Thoughts?
Elbow out looked like a modified bong sau
I'd probably just go for full body sparring where anything goes except for eye pokes and groin strikes. The fewer restrictions, the better. The philly shell is specifically designed for head protection, so the guy wouldn't get much practice in a fight where head shots aren't allowed. I'd say early training drills would benefit from restrictions like these, just to get the rhythm down, but sparring should have everything.
On that note, I totally feel Wing Chun is underestimated. If a Wing Chun practitioner simply trained it along with MMA and sparred various opponents, I could be adapted for more practical applications. People say trapping range doesn't exist - I say that's nonsense.
Yeah the trapping works really well against chest punches............ been saying that about Win Chun for years. We never see it used again any punch thrown at speed. Ever. I'd love to see one example of it. And don't call boxing parrying trapping...
Have you heard of the Bruce Lee challenge on the internet, it’s kinda like a virtual run
Tell me more!
@@FightCommentary
Like a virtual run but you get some workouts and also a running goal to complete in 12 weeks, at your pace, you get a Bruce Lee medal, but you also have the option to buy the medal
First tkd fighter had better skills than srcond at least tkd won plus one thing l love abt tkd is that a fast kick can land well if a practioner is good plus tkd is bttr when u crossfit with MT to fit the gap as bruce lee said none of martial arts is bttr they have to come together
sparring rules: Punches to the body only and kicks everywhere
so groin kicks are allowed?
Skip those. But if you try them, send me the results of the spar.
Under the circumstances that you wear the groin protector.
Fun watch
Cut the fighting area off with aggressive stances that corner the opponent.
Staying in kicking range does not work.
That wing chun guy 😅could have easily, finished him when he blocked that spinning back kick .
His back was totaly open for shots to the back of the head spine ectra , alsof for the oblique kick to the back of the leg knee .
Se ve que el de ITF le tuvo mucha compasión, pudo acabarlo fácilmente.
Karate man look like he's playing, I was gonna say, He has time to look around.
2:58 Bong Sau
Punching is the weakest attribute in tkd and kyokushin, once the wc guy negates the kicking at close range of course he’s gonna have the advantage punching
What if they did all this just to get knocked out by a regular guy who weaves a kick? 😂😂
no one, NO ONE of wing chun pratictioners applies pressure. No one ever closes the gap and fights at wing chun distance that is very close. They simply stay at distance eating punches and kicks and trying to chain punch. People looks at this and say "wing chun sucks. Wing chun doesn't work".
Well, would you look at that. All you have to do in order to make Wing Chun look plausible is go slow and spar without any meaningful impacts... Huh... Funny that.
That is categorically not wing Chun
Wing Chun doesn't stand a chance against oyama style karate
That is not real Wing Chun! He should rotate his ankle 15 degrees to be a proper Wing Chun practitioner! Jk, he looked cool.
The first guy with powerless kicking skills is WTF 😢, not ITF.
No rules in wc thats bs wc is street fighting close combat not what you show here this guys not very good at it either I've spared a few tkd guys as soon as I moved in they had nothing much to offer it seems a popular thing to show up wc all the time show a real fight I know who would come out better any way nice dancing around cheers
Please don't call the first guy a Wing Chun guy. He does not understand WC theory and has very little WC. 1) He keeps putting his front hand into a bong, to block kicks and punches, basically making that hand useless. Looks good but useless. The bong is useful for a split second deflection, then immediately changes into a lap pull and strike or chop. It's not used as first choice to intercept a punch or kick. Those crosses by the Tkd guy would have been easily stopped with a saat sao. 2) Commentator is correct. By not squaring up, the WC has forfeited his WC weapons. WC needs both hands within striking range. Turning the stance sideways, takes away 1/2 your weapons, then he keeps dropping into a bong; might as well surrender. 3) WC yields one step back at most. He's supposed to step forward on all of the tkd spin kicks, that would have rendered those kicks ineffective. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but this WC guy has very little WC. TKD is known for great kicks, but they have no hands. I WC guy that knows how to fight with WC will eat the TKD guy up all day long. Unfortunately, there are only a handful of Sifus that can teach WC fight.
What alot of people don't know is wing Chun is designed to defend off any martial arts. I study wing Chun and the only martial arts that band from ufc even though it is actually designed for mma. But another of blocks and techniques would get u disqualified in any martial art tournaments, just like jamming a kick is illegal and certain blocks we can't use in a tournament like my sifu always say don't get into wing Chun if u plan on ro fight in tournament
@RAWSNL actually it is u will get disqualified for doing certain blocks. That's why we call ufc a spectator sport. U clearly u are not familiar like u are not allow a jam a kick because you can easily break someone's leg or u not not allow to do a double arm break when someone swing because break someone's arm. Name one mma fighter who specializes in wing Chun who is in ufc? And if they are are they have to dumb down our blocks and techniques.
U are talking to someone who is actually studying traditional wing Chun not that modified version of matter of fact it is a boxer from Baltimore who actually uses the philosophy from traditional wing Chun who is undefeated.
No before he went professional he wanted to quit boxer just to become a wing Chun practioner and my sufu and his father refuse to let him quit to study wing chun. If u know anything about Traditional it on the top 5 deadliest martial list. My sifu made it very clear we only block to breack bones and only kick to disrupt organs look up sifu James Darby. Why is iron man studying the system, why was Steven Siegal was studying it and countless other celebrities is also studying and where do u think Brooklyn 50 blocks comes from.
Wt taekwondo lol.
1st / 3rd guy Looks more like JKD
It's definitely traditional Wing Chun.
True
@@DeeBeeScribehe did try a spinning hook kick and also keeps himself at "boxing range" which is not what traditional Wing Chun teaches hahaha
It's Ving Tsun from the Wong Shun Leung lineage, I guess.
His stance is called "Advance and Retreat Stance" (its' Chinese name is 「前後進退馬」), which is a little bit different form other Wing Chun lineages.
❤I don't get it. None of these people are doing traditional Wing Chun, Taekwondo, or Karate. They are all kickboxing. Their base is western boxing. Their foot work is western boxing. Their Punches are western boxing. Their methods of evasion are western boxing. Why call it Wing Chun, Taekwondo or Karate? My instructors have said call it what it is Kickboxing, when fighters use these methods.
You realize that kickboxing evolved from karate, right?
Neither is worth a w8nk in the real world !