Sounds like the best option is to find a reputable tuner who you want to work with, use whatever platform they use, and get a custom tune. That being said bootmode sounds amazing with the cloud functions. The fact it auto uploads your logs is such a cool feature.
Hands down the best tuning platform video ever. I appreciate all the knowledge and I think I’m gonna start with MG and maneuver wherever need be after. Thank you 🙏🏽
i decided to flash with MHD stage 1 and xHp Flash stage 2… it’s my daily driver and i feel like i have another different beast 😁👍🏼 (B58 440i GC with 8speed gearbox) no regrets at all. It’s amazing!
@@liken1288 well, I haven’t tried Stage 3 but i will do it… what I’ve heard is that stage 3 is the most aggressive and focused for track or circuit use… in my case, I’m daily driving my car and stage 2 is enough. But i can tell you xHp is amazing and it worth every penny!!! 😉👌 same with MHD, i have no downpipe because of emissions here in Europe and MHD stage 1 is more than enough. I feel the car like different and way better than stock.
Been doing a lot of research lately I'm getting tired. Thinking of pulling the trigger on the MHD stage1 for my 2019 G30 540i. Hopefully it's the right choice. First time tuning for me.
I have tested BM3 MHD and MG flasher on my RWD 2018 M240i the OTS maps that better suited my car were the ones from MG. I live in a high altitude area(2600m/8500ft above sea level) the 100-200 kmph dragy test using MHD and BM3 stage 2 98ron map didn’t improve the time at all compared to the stock time (12.5s) while using MG flasher stage 2 98 Ron improved it by 2 secs (10.5s). What I could see from the logs is that MHD and BM3 always requested a fixed target boost pressure across all the power curve, which at this altitude exhausted the turbo pretty quick around 3500rpm, while MG flasher has a variable boost pressure target across all the power curve, so it really adapts to the ambient conditions, and varies the target boost psi. At a lower altitude (250m) MG flasher performed really well too, increasing the target boost psi and handling it dynamically across the power curve, resulting in 100-200 8.7s using pump gas. So in a nutshell I really think the OTS maps from MG work better in different ambient pressures. Last but not least, excellent video Kevin, very insightful… you’re really the man when it comes to B58 stuff.
From someone who has a fbo wrx that has secretly been wanting a 335i for years but now wants a 340i because obviously b58, these videos have been great
I’ve been on mgflaher for about a year now and love it. I’ve only had one issue with the wireless dongle not connecting to my phone and I emailed mgflasher and they overnighted a new one to me. Otherwise no issues and great performance
I’ve been asking kern for this video for over a year now. Can’t wait to see what he says… thanks kern 👍👍 this was a great video… this will be one of the best performing videos on the channel.
for me as an 140i driver from Germany your Videos are very helpful, wanted to say thanks, left a thumb and subscribed already! Go on with this great B58 Stuff!
In the market for a 440ix soon, this was very insightful to watch and it cleared some of the additional unanswered stuff I had about the platforms. Thank you, Kern !
In the U.K. MHD didn’t like the fuel and was pulling timing like crazy , mhd said timing correction is fine but was not convinced , have now got custom tune with hardly any corrections at all 💪
I started with MHD on my 2020 G20 because I was drawn in by MHD+ and the ReFlex support listed on their website. I was pretty bummed when I activated my super license to find out that I only had access to basic flashing features, so I ended up jumping to bm3 not too long after that, but again I was misled by what is advertised, and I guess my software version is too new and CustomROM isn’t supported yet. I felt like my car was much smoother and happier overall on MHD’s Stage 2 E40 tune as compared to bm3’s Stage 2 E30 tune. On bm3, I encounter this weird oscillation when cruising with any burble setting that’s more aggressive than OEM, and for a while I would experience a weird limp mode-esque power cut when cruising in higher gears and I would roll into the throttle to pass someone or when I would shift at high RPMs under WOT. I’ve been working with bm3 support and we’ve gotten the cruising limp taken care of, but I’m starting to lose patience because now they’re just starting to take the “Oh we’ve never seen these issues before” stance when I’m sending logs showing what their tune and software is doing, rather than going in depth and coming up with a fix for the other issues that I’m still facing. I really want to go back to MHD, especially since now I know CustomROM doesn’t work on my car, but I may also end up going to EcuTek just so I can have more than just basic features, namely flex fuel.
One thing i have noticed is in the German cars it seems much nore acceptable to use an OTS tune than domestic and JDM. I remember the on my mustang it was basically a sure thing you'd blow up your engine if you used an ots over an e tune, same with my wrx
yeah they still aren't perfect, but generally they work great. and all the extra sensors that make german cars annoying are actually doing a good job of compensating for various conditions, fuel, etc.
I always thought the logger for MHD was very useful to use! Not difficult at all. I guess I would need to use the other apps to see how much easier they are, but I never had the thought that it was difficult on mhd. I would recommend getting it despite the opinion in this video.
It's way more cumbersome than others. The fact that you can only see 6 parameters at a time and always have to scroll up and down sucks. Also the chart doesn't scale based on the parameters.
@@kern417 umm what? Only 6 parameters??maybe I'm missing something, or perhaps you are... But I just pulled up an old log and i have 14 parameters selected that were logged and monitored on a chart all at the same time (AND I can choose whatever parameters out of 80 choices of parameters I want to see upto 14 at a time even after it's been recorded) and from what i recall sclales up/down.. It's also easy to scroll along the WOT time frame smoothly... I can't imagine it would be different than what you see (N54)
@@Spirited_Driver you have to scroll to see all parameters. So if i want to see rail pressure, boost, and lambda, I'm scrolling up and down to see the readings on the bottom half of the screen. Also having rail pressure at almost 3000 ruins the scale for boost and timing that are less than 20. Makes the visuals frustrating.
@@Spirited_Driver when you're trying to see things like if overboost affects rail pressure dips or timing corrections are affected by fuel trims, it's pretty annoying 🙃 that's why i just upload to datazap to get full control
I have a 2020 m340i rwd which one should I go with? future mods are the usual dp intake charge pipe on 91 gas? My ECU is unlocked. New to the bmw game HELP? LOL
Well done dude. Thank you. but i would appreciate if you could describe more direct impressions specially between mhd vs mgf. in my opinion, mhd has more low end torque while mg flasher feels smoother... almost like a natural aspirated engine but on top end mg flasher begins to raise. above 220kph mg flasher is pulling like a bull while mhd gets milder and milder. mhd has top much torqe in low end but less top end. opposite with mg flasher.
I have a 2018 340i xDrive and right now it's on a BM3 Stage 2 91 map, and xHP Stage 3 tune with a catless downpipe. My goal is to hit 600awhp on 91 octane only, with a hybrid turbo. We'll see!
@@sari.1168 Still not sure yet as it seems like there have been some recent developments by multiple different brands. Kratos, Pure, and Dynamic Autowerx specifically.
DONT GET THE TURBO YET!!!!!....USE METH BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING....I HAVE A 2013-535I X-DRIVE....N-55....(PWG) TURBOCHARGED MOTOR....140K....ORIGINAL OWNER AND IM RUNNING LOW 12s WITH ALL OF THE BOLT ONS....BMS INTAKE....BMS PEDAL TUNER....CHARGE PIPE....BOOST PIPES....G-PLUS INTERCOOLER....VRSF CATLESS DOWN PIPE....SHELL 93 V-POWER FUEL....NGK PLUGS (97506)....GAPPED @.20....XHP TRANS TUNE FLASH....AND MHD STAGE 2+ ETHANOL 30 BLEND.....NO CHANGE OF FUEL PUMPS AT ALL!!!!!....I WAS TOLD TO GET METH BEFORE I GO BIGGER TURBO....12.21@ 115 BEST TIME EVER WITH A FULL INTERIOR....THIS CAR IS AMAZING IN SLEEPER FORM!!!!....NOBODY SEES IT COMING....(OR GOING)!!!!.... IVE BEATEN A FEW SCATPACKS AND.A CAMARO SS....LOOKING TO SQUARE OFF WITH A 5.0 AND POSSIBLY 11s WITH METH....
Hello mate I must say this is a fantastic video very informative, I have a 420i I was looking to flash bootmod but I don't know will that cause any problem to the engine as I really do not want that lol .
1. Hello man. Thank you very much for your content. Very technically detailed. You are one of the best. 2. For a M240i Xdrive, with catless DP, but with gen1 BMW HPFP (no upgrade), is it safe to fun MHD Stage 2 (not stage 2+) tune? Or do you suggest to stay on Stage 1 MHD? Thank you
Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on current pricing, MHD seems to be more expensive than the Bootmod3, not less? The base flash license itself is only $422, but that comes with no maps and no logging software. Add $165 for maps, brings it within $10 of Bootmode3. Which is still slightly cheaper, but you also don't get any of the logging capability, which is another $165...which now makes it more than $150 more than Bootmod3? Alternatively, Bootmod3 sells their license, with one map and logging software included for $595. And if you want a plethora of additional licenses, its only an additional $50. That certainly seems like better value for the money for me? And again...keeping in mind, that Bootmod3 has resale value....MHD, does not.
Hi all, I have a 2017 540i, all stock. I would like to gain some horsepower. Nothing crazy, just a few more horses. Any experience with this is greatly appreciated
Fantastic video. I never knew about these tuning platforms until recently. I am contemplating a BM3 for my X3M40i (Gen 2-B58). My goals are really simple. I just need a little extra power and torque and I don't want to move ahead of 91 Octane fuel. Is this a good platform option and what gains can I expect? Also, I don't recall seeing a pricing option for new vs. used for BM3. Thanks again for this great video.
Great video, what tune would be best for x7 m50i to perform like a x5m? Just looking at stage one … and if you have a stock muffler can you adjust the sound and burbles for it ?
BM3 FTW! Also, fastest flashing is wrongfully described. I have all the apps and BM3 by far is best in all these categories. For flashing, of course if you don’t download the map first it takes the time to download it. But if you did its the same if not faster lol
man i loved this! i’m getting a 240i xdrive soon and this was so helpful. when do I have to worry about internals? i plan on trying to reach 550+whp and ik i’ll need a turbo
That’s what I was also thinking. I’d prefer them to be open all the time and if I can make that happen without unplugging or otherwise modding the grille I’ll try it. I just got a letter from BMW issuing an 15-yr extended warranty on the active grille system for possible failure. After watching your comparison video I’m more confident than ever giving one of these tunes a go. Thanks again for all the work and advice you freely give!
So i have a 2019 440i not the m but the basic sport package on it stock i want to mod it i live in cali so 91 gas i the best for my area i herd getting a flash tune , catless down pipe & a high pressure fuel pump is all i need & if i want a cold air intake what do you guys recommend pls help. & should i go with bm3 or ?
@@sakuraFC3S you've had luck with that with the latest CA laws? They are checking for past tunes and DME tampering, even if stock. I am hopeful all I will need is having the stock tune, but being flagged would absolutely suck
@@ebigford34 just flash back to oem MG flasher has it and it flashes back to OEM but never take your car to the dealer for work they will lock your DME
@@ebigford34 Im in CA and my single turbo PI no cats 2012 335is passed smog. Get better connections or just flash back OEM tune if a flash tune is all you have.
I have a 23 m240i with a high flow catted dp. I am looking at BM3 OTS for the car after the FEMTO unlock is done. I would be silly if I wasn’t nervous about pulling the trigger. What problems have you come across with BM3 OTS tunes? I don’t plan on using an E mix very often but will always fill with 93 here in Florida.
A question on ethanol free gas which I believe is preferable for many reasons. Have a N55 engine, totally stock, 20K miles. Although with ethanol free the octane level is rated as a few points lower, because it does not have ethanol, that may be erroneous. I am only interested in a stage one tune, and wondering if ethanol free is suitable? Realize its a conundrum... Brilliant vid and very useful!
Hey there, Kern. Would you be able to recommend some good settings or some good way to reduce wheel spin in 1st and 2nd gear with MHD? I have an m2 competition and it is already spinning as stock. But I’ve purchased mhd license and didn’t want to tweak too much with it. Planning on running gts map at most.. nothing too fancy
The other day I put my automatic m2 g87 in manual mode without realizing it, I went out accelerating at full speed, thinking that I would change in the red zone but no, I reached the injection cut-off, is the car prepared for that situation?
Am I able to easily go back to the stock map for the purpose of passing the emissions test with these? Or should I stick to JB4 if I want to be able to do that?
I'm looking to get the MHD or BM3 for my 2019 X5 40i G05. I would like to have the map switching feature enabled. Does anyone know if it works on gen 2 B58 now? Not many people tune the X5 so I'm looking for any helpful info with these 2 platforms. Thank you for the help!
Hey this is a great video! Can you guys please help me here Context: 1. it's my daily driver 2017 BMW440i drive (b58) - not planning to take it to the track or Race ;) 2. Planning to get Stage 2 with a Active Autowerke or CG precission DS1 Catted downpipe 3. Not planning to use Flexfuel/port injection 4. In my area I use 91 V power Nitro from Shell Question: 1. Which tune should be a good fit for my car? BM3 or MHD? 2. for cold air intake - Eventuri or MSS would be a good fit for my car? I appreciate all the help guys. Thanks! Tawhid
Are there any options where I can make my own tune? I used to have a Subaru and there was open source software I used and flashed my car from my laptop.
@@kern417 oh wow thats def where its at. Does the stock map come with mhd automatically or do you need the pack of maps to get that? Because otherwise I'm almost thinking it would be better to skip all the ots maps and go straight to custom ones. but obviously being in cali I need stock map for SMOG
Do you know if mhd is going to add launch control or no lift shifts for the 6mt gen 1 b58 ? If not what are your thoughts on adding a wot box for those features?
Will bootmod3 come out with full reflex integration? Even if you buy the bm3 flex fuel kit plus the full motiv reflex+ would PI on BM3 still be as safe?
hey man, i know i’m a year late on this video haha, but i was wondering if i can check within the mhd app without purchasing the license to see if my ecu is locked, or if it’s before june 2020 and i’m benchmarked and have to send it in to get it unlocked.
To use the gauge dashboard with your phone do you leave your obd adapter on and your phone in airplane or can you just do ad you please with your phone ?
@@kern417 I just wanna use it to see my psi and temps I wouldn’t log any times or anything do you think that it would get messed up for me having those pulled up and do you leave the adapter plugged in?
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as someone who knew *nothing* about these platforms until recently, this is the most informative video ive come across -- thanks
Exactly my thoughts. This man has helped me so much with my gen 1 b58 in my 2017 540.
Sounds like the best option is to find a reputable tuner who you want to work with, use whatever platform they use, and get a custom tune. That being said bootmode sounds amazing with the cloud functions. The fact it auto uploads your logs is such a cool feature.
Hands down the best tuning platform video ever. I appreciate all the knowledge and I think I’m gonna start with MG and maneuver wherever need be after. Thank you 🙏🏽
awesome. enjoy it
Have you changed which one you like the best since this video? I’m sure they all have evolved since then. Please do an updated video on this.
So happy we don't have to stare at the engine anymore, nice to see you speaking to us!)
I've got both bm3 and MHD. MHD is a bit smoother in daily , while bm3 offer better low end torque. I'm settled with MHD stage 2 for now
Totally agree MHD is much smoother.
But which of the two gives you more at the drag strip?
@@videogazer801 stock
@@ammo444It will depend, both can have a custom tune mapped
i decided to flash with MHD stage 1 and xHp Flash stage 2… it’s my daily driver and i feel like i have another different beast 😁👍🏼 (B58 440i GC with 8speed gearbox) no regrets at all. It’s amazing!
440i gc gang 🤙
Was considering the same set up as yours. Any consideration on xHp stage 2 instead of stage 3?
@@hasan_440i 😃🤙
@@liken1288 well, I haven’t tried Stage 3 but i will do it… what I’ve heard is that stage 3 is the most aggressive and focused for track or circuit use… in my case, I’m daily driving my car and stage 2 is enough. But i can tell you xHp is amazing and it worth every penny!!! 😉👌 same with MHD, i have no downpipe because of emissions here in Europe and MHD stage 1 is more than enough. I feel the car like different and way better than stock.
Been doing a lot of research lately I'm getting tired. Thinking of pulling the trigger on the MHD stage1 for my 2019 G30 540i. Hopefully it's the right choice. First time tuning for me.
im looking into doing a tune on my b48 and this has just been super helpful man thanks!
Super informative video. Thanks. I’ll make sure to share this
I have tested BM3 MHD and MG flasher on my RWD 2018 M240i the OTS maps that better suited my car were the ones from MG. I live in a high altitude area(2600m/8500ft above sea level) the 100-200 kmph dragy test using MHD and BM3 stage 2 98ron map didn’t improve the time at all compared to the stock time (12.5s) while using MG flasher stage 2 98 Ron improved it by 2 secs (10.5s). What I could see from the logs is that MHD and BM3 always requested a fixed target boost pressure across all the power curve, which at this altitude exhausted the turbo pretty quick around 3500rpm, while MG flasher has a variable boost pressure target across all the power curve, so it really adapts to the ambient conditions, and varies the target boost psi. At a lower altitude (250m) MG flasher performed really well too, increasing the target boost psi and handling it dynamically across the power curve, resulting in 100-200 8.7s using pump gas. So in a nutshell I really think the OTS maps from MG work better in different ambient pressures.
Last but not least, excellent video Kevin, very insightful… you’re really the man when it comes to B58 stuff.
This is some great info
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Great video. Very comprehensive and clear concise explanations. Super helpful. Thank you for posting this.
From someone who has a fbo wrx that has secretly been wanting a 335i for years but now wants a 340i because obviously b58, these videos have been great
I’ve been on mgflaher for about a year now and love it. I’ve only had one issue with the wireless dongle not connecting to my phone and I emailed mgflasher and they overnighted a new one to me. Otherwise no issues and great performance
This is HANDS DOWN the best and most informative and enjoyable video that has anything to do with a b58 I’ve ever seen I watched this twice lol
I’ve been asking kern for this video for over a year now. Can’t wait to see what he says… thanks kern 👍👍 this was a great video… this will be one of the best performing videos on the channel.
Sorry it took so long 🙏🏾
@@kern417 I know you’re a busy man. Thanks again buddy.
Excellent job on the video. Learn a lot Thanks for posting.
As always, spot on the questions and concerns we all have on the platform. Thanks!
Fantastic video! I learned a lot from this platform breakdown thanks for sharing!
Excellent, excellent explanation of the available tuning software options!
Thanks for breaking it down so clearly!
for me as an 140i driver from Germany your Videos are very helpful, wanted to say thanks, left a thumb and subscribed already! Go on with this great B58 Stuff!
thank you for the support
Excellent video, excellent content. Thanks.
your videos are amazing. Im booking my 2023 GR supra soon and il be watching your videos everyday
Appreciate the comparisons, thanks for sharing 👍
Good info.. Looking at gettting a F32 later this year, and can't wait to dive in.
In the market for a 440ix soon, this was very insightful to watch and it cleared some of the additional unanswered stuff I had about the platforms. Thank you, Kern !
Great video bud :) Thank you :) Cheers Don, Perth W.Australia 2020 M340i XD (Dons Shed and Xplor Overland)
MG Flasher. FlexFuel. Let's gooooooooo....
Very informative. Thank you
Thanks for watching
Great comparison, summary and presentation 👍
Brilliant as always!
Awesome vid, thanks
Thank you for the very thorough review!
2013 BMW 535-I XDRIVE 8SPD AUTO.....MHD STAGE 2 +....BOLT ONS 93 SHELL V POWER E-30 ....BEAST MODE!
Thanks for the video man! You help me a lot!
In the U.K. MHD didn’t like the fuel and was pulling timing like crazy , mhd said timing correction is fine but was not convinced , have now got custom tune with hardly any corrections at all 💪
I’m going through this right now been driving me crazy
Are you sure you set the correct fuel? The octane ratings are all off so you need to 100% make sure it’s the correct one. Mines been perfect.
@@ScottPC yes I was stage 2+ hpfp, running 99 on the lower octane map
@@Addselwyn Fair enough! What fuel was you running?
@@ScottPC v power , tried esso super too
Thanks!
i really appreciate it
thank you! this helped a lot
I started with MHD on my 2020 G20 because I was drawn in by MHD+ and the ReFlex support listed on their website. I was pretty bummed when I activated my super license to find out that I only had access to basic flashing features, so I ended up jumping to bm3 not too long after that, but again I was misled by what is advertised, and I guess my software version is too new and CustomROM isn’t supported yet. I felt like my car was much smoother and happier overall on MHD’s Stage 2 E40 tune as compared to bm3’s Stage 2 E30 tune. On bm3, I encounter this weird oscillation when cruising with any burble setting that’s more aggressive than OEM, and for a while I would experience a weird limp mode-esque power cut when cruising in higher gears and I would roll into the throttle to pass someone or when I would shift at high RPMs under WOT. I’ve been working with bm3 support and we’ve gotten the cruising limp taken care of, but I’m starting to lose patience because now they’re just starting to take the “Oh we’ve never seen these issues before” stance when I’m sending logs showing what their tune and software is doing, rather than going in depth and coming up with a fix for the other issues that I’m still facing. I really want to go back to MHD, especially since now I know CustomROM doesn’t work on my car, but I may also end up going to EcuTek just so I can have more than just basic features, namely flex fuel.
I think the answer to your limp problem would be going with a 3.5L maf senor
One thing i have noticed is in the German cars it seems much nore acceptable to use an OTS tune than domestic and JDM. I remember the on my mustang it was basically a sure thing you'd blow up your engine if you used an ots over an e tune, same with my wrx
yeah they still aren't perfect, but generally they work great. and all the extra sensors that make german cars annoying are actually doing a good job of compensating for various conditions, fuel, etc.
Thanks for sharing.
I always thought the logger for MHD was very useful to use! Not difficult at all. I guess I would need to use the other apps to see how much easier they are, but I never had the thought that it was difficult on mhd. I would recommend getting it despite the opinion in this video.
It's way more cumbersome than others. The fact that you can only see 6 parameters at a time and always have to scroll up and down sucks. Also the chart doesn't scale based on the parameters.
@@kern417 umm what? Only 6 parameters??maybe I'm missing something, or perhaps you are... But I just pulled up an old log and i have 14 parameters selected that were logged and monitored on a chart all at the same time (AND I can choose whatever parameters out of 80 choices of parameters I want to see upto 14 at a time even after it's been recorded) and from what i recall sclales up/down..
It's also easy to scroll along the WOT time frame smoothly...
I can't imagine it would be different than what you see (N54)
@@Spirited_Driver you have to scroll to see all parameters. So if i want to see rail pressure, boost, and lambda, I'm scrolling up and down to see the readings on the bottom half of the screen.
Also having rail pressure at almost 3000 ruins the scale for boost and timing that are less than 20. Makes the visuals frustrating.
@@kern417 oh i see. I usually only select maybe a couple at a time and study each one individually, a lot less cluttered that way. 🤷♂️
@@Spirited_Driver when you're trying to see things like if overboost affects rail pressure dips or timing corrections are affected by fuel trims, it's pretty annoying 🙃 that's why i just upload to datazap to get full control
I have a 2020 m340i rwd which one should I go with? future mods are the usual dp intake charge pipe on 91 gas? My ECU is unlocked. New to the bmw game HELP? LOL
Well done dude. Thank you. but i would appreciate if you could describe more direct impressions specially between mhd vs mgf. in my opinion, mhd has more low end torque while mg flasher feels smoother... almost like a natural aspirated engine but on top end mg flasher begins to raise. above 220kph mg flasher is pulling like a bull while mhd gets milder and milder. mhd has top much torqe in low end but less top end. opposite with mg flasher.
I have a 2018 340i xDrive and right now it's on a BM3 Stage 2 91 map, and xHP Stage 3 tune with a catless downpipe. My goal is to hit 600awhp on 91 octane only, with a hybrid turbo. We'll see!
My goal is the same! Did you find out which hybrid turbo you’re going to go with?
@@sari.1168 Still not sure yet as it seems like there have been some recent developments by multiple different brands. Kratos, Pure, and Dynamic Autowerx specifically.
DONT GET THE TURBO YET!!!!!....USE METH BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING....I HAVE A 2013-535I X-DRIVE....N-55....(PWG) TURBOCHARGED MOTOR....140K....ORIGINAL OWNER AND IM RUNNING LOW 12s WITH ALL OF THE BOLT ONS....BMS INTAKE....BMS PEDAL TUNER....CHARGE PIPE....BOOST PIPES....G-PLUS INTERCOOLER....VRSF CATLESS DOWN PIPE....SHELL 93 V-POWER FUEL....NGK PLUGS (97506)....GAPPED @.20....XHP TRANS TUNE FLASH....AND MHD STAGE 2+ ETHANOL 30 BLEND.....NO CHANGE OF FUEL PUMPS AT ALL!!!!!....I WAS TOLD TO GET METH BEFORE I GO BIGGER TURBO....12.21@ 115 BEST TIME EVER WITH A FULL INTERIOR....THIS CAR IS AMAZING IN SLEEPER FORM!!!!....NOBODY SEES IT COMING....(OR GOING)!!!!.... IVE BEATEN A FEW SCATPACKS AND.A CAMARO SS....LOOKING TO SQUARE OFF WITH A 5.0 AND POSSIBLY 11s WITH METH....
@@hassantalib3426 bro stop yelling, this is a B58 thread. ima get a bigger turbo its ok i promise you
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Hello mate I must say this is a fantastic video very informative, I have a 420i I was looking to flash bootmod but I don't know will that cause any problem to the engine as I really do not want that lol .
Thanks for the breakdown. I too would turn off the burble and cold start because it's fake noise. But turning down the torque? NO.
great video!
I’ve noticed most gen 1 B58 will choose MHD, while most gen 2 B58 guys will choose Bm3. I went with Bm3
self maintenance ftw
1. Hello man. Thank you very much for your content. Very technically detailed. You are one of the best.
2. For a M240i Xdrive, with catless DP, but with gen1 BMW HPFP (no upgrade), is it safe to fun MHD Stage 2 (not stage 2+) tune? Or do you suggest to stay on Stage 1 MHD? Thank you
stage 2 is designed for stock hpfp. run logs to confirm.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on current pricing, MHD seems to be more expensive than the Bootmod3, not less? The base flash license itself is only $422, but that comes with no maps and no logging software. Add $165 for maps, brings it within $10 of Bootmode3. Which is still slightly cheaper, but you also don't get any of the logging capability, which is another $165...which now makes it more than $150 more than Bootmod3? Alternatively, Bootmod3 sells their license, with one map and logging software included for $595. And if you want a plethora of additional licenses, its only an additional $50. That certainly seems like better value for the money for me? And again...keeping in mind, that Bootmod3 has resale value....MHD, does not.
The super license is $550 and comes with everything
@@kern417 My mistake....I had the currency on MHD's site to CAD and not USD. Now the price points make more sense lol
@@alfrede.neuman8611 no worries. I still do think they raised the prices at some point
Hi all, I have a 2017 540i, all stock. I would like to gain some horsepower. Nothing crazy, just a few more horses. Any experience with this is greatly appreciated
Fantastic video. I never knew about these tuning platforms until recently. I am contemplating a BM3 for my X3M40i (Gen 2-B58). My goals are really simple. I just need a little extra power and torque and I don't want to move ahead of 91 Octane fuel. Is this a good platform option and what gains can I expect? Also, I don't recall seeing a pricing option for new vs. used for BM3. Thanks again for this great video.
yes they all work pretty much the same for 91oct tunes. used prices vary but usually it's around 50-60% of the new price.
@@kern417 Thanks. I am assuming since this is just a software app/maps, there is no difference between used vs. new? Correct?
correct
Very helpful 😎
Great video Thxs
me having the bmw supra post june 2020 ecu and still undecided with mhd vs bm3. its my daily and i dont track it but goal is the 500hp sweet spot.
pick a tuner and go with what they prefer/recommend
I'm leaning towards MHD, people say bm3 is a bit more aggressive though 🤔
At the end it just depends on the driver, mhd ots got me 60-130 of 8.2
Nah jts the otherwise around. Mhd is more aggressive
thanks for your sharing ,
For B58tu Stage1,Mg and Bm3 which one is more durable?
Great video, what tune would be best for x7 m50i to perform like a x5m? Just looking at stage one … and if you have a stock muffler can you adjust the sound and burbles for it ?
BM3 FTW! Also, fastest flashing is wrongfully described. I have all the apps and BM3 by far is best in all these categories. For flashing, of course if you don’t download the map first it takes the time to download it. But if you did its the same if not faster lol
definitely faster on mhd and mg flasher
man i loved this! i’m getting a 240i xdrive soon and this was so helpful. when do I have to worry about internals? i plan on trying to reach 550+whp and ik i’ll need a turbo
I just got a 2018 540i xdrive im tuning it this weekend with mhd youll only have to worry at above 800hp range
And all you have to do is change rods and pistons from stock
Question relating to my 2019 X3 m40i: will the max cooling modes force the active grille to remain open?
Great video! My source for B58 expertise!
Good question. I'd guess yes but not sure. It's pretty easy to try it and see
That’s what I was also thinking. I’d prefer them to be open all the time and if I can make that happen without unplugging or otherwise modding the grille I’ll try it. I just got a letter from BMW issuing an 15-yr extended warranty on the active grille system for possible failure.
After watching your comparison video I’m more confident than ever giving one of these tunes a go. Thanks again for all the work and advice you freely give!
Hello can someone help? i have 540i b58, i have mperformance exhaust. In MHD tune settings i still have to use OEM exhaust DPs? ty for help
Yes
@@kern417 thank you for answer :)
So i have a 2019 440i not the m but the basic sport package on it stock i want to mod it i live in cali so 91 gas i the best for my area i herd getting a flash tune , catless down pipe & a high pressure fuel pump is all i need & if i want a cold air intake what do you guys recommend pls help. & should i go with bm3 or ?
That is one big ass turbo, sir.
why thank you
I ended up going with BM3 since I am in CA and the ability to lock the dme for smog could be a big deal
You don't need to lock the DME, just run any OEM tune.
@@sakuraFC3S you've had luck with that with the latest CA laws? They are checking for past tunes and DME tampering, even if stock. I am hopeful all I will need is having the stock tune, but being flagged would absolutely suck
@@ebigford34 just flash back to oem MG flasher has it and it flashes back to OEM but never take your car to the dealer for work they will lock your DME
@@ebigford34 Im in CA and my single turbo PI no cats 2012 335is passed smog. Get better connections or just flash back OEM tune if a flash tune is all you have.
I have a 23 m240i with a high flow catted dp. I am looking at BM3 OTS for the car after the FEMTO unlock is done. I would be silly if I wasn’t nervous about pulling the trigger. What problems have you come across with BM3 OTS tunes? I don’t plan on using an E mix very often but will always fill with 93 here in Florida.
the only issue i had was once the flash failed due to poor connection. but if you flash in offline mode then it works great.
Hey Kern, what would be the best in terms of drivability on a stage one flash? I dont want to make my M340i drive worse. Thank 🙂
They're all pretty comparable. I currently use mhd and it works great.
A question on ethanol free gas which I believe is preferable for many reasons. Have a N55 engine, totally stock, 20K miles. Although with ethanol free the octane level is rated as a few points lower, because it does not have ethanol, that may be erroneous. I am only interested in a stage one tune, and wondering if ethanol free is suitable? Realize its a conundrum... Brilliant vid and very useful!
Run whatever the tune is designed for.
Hey there, Kern. Would you be able to recommend some good settings or some good way to reduce wheel spin in 1st and 2nd gear with MHD? I have an m2 competition and it is already spinning as stock. But I’ve purchased mhd license and didn’t want to tweak too much with it. Planning on running gts map at most.. nothing too fancy
You'll have to play with the boost by gear settings. A better option is to upgrade your tires for more grip.
If you dont mind me asking why you swtiched to MHD from bm3?
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The other day I put my automatic m2 g87 in manual mode without realizing it, I went out accelerating at full speed, thinking that I would change in the red zone but no, I reached the injection cut-off, is the car prepared for that situation?
Does bm3 have different maps you can change on the fly ,1,2,3 through the tack
I have a 2023 M340i. Wondering your thoughts on JB4 while waiting for a flash tune unlock to become a available.
It works but I'm not a fan of piggybacks
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, Tried using MHD for my S58 and it's horrible, very choppy, waiting for a new one that they are prob going to be coming out with...
Am I able to easily go back to the stock map for the purpose of passing the emissions test with these? Or should I stick to JB4 if I want to be able to do that?
Yes
I'm looking to get the MHD or BM3 for my 2019 X5 40i G05. I would like to have the map switching feature enabled. Does anyone know if it works on gen 2 B58 now? Not many people tune the X5 so I'm looking for any helpful info with these 2 platforms. Thank you for the help!
Thoughts on DINAN + PERFORMANCE ENGINE SOFTWARE - BMW B58 (M0) ENGINE, im confused if this is applicable to the b58m30a engine bc of the (M0)
More expensive with less gains/options than the other tunes
Does any of these support diesel? I have a 2010 E90 335D
What about RK-Tunes??
Ecutek is king 👑
Do they have any maps for 92? My closest couple gas stations have 92 for premium
no, just 91 and 93. you can run 92 octane fuel on a 91 octane tune
Had BM3 on my Gen 1, moved to Ecutek and never looked back
This guys lying
Does anyone know which platform has the most aggressive crackles and pops?
Hey this is a great video! Can you guys please help me here
Context:
1. it's my daily driver 2017 BMW440i drive (b58) - not planning to take it to the track or Race ;)
2. Planning to get Stage 2 with a Active Autowerke or CG precission DS1 Catted downpipe
3. Not planning to use Flexfuel/port injection
4. In my area I use 91 V power Nitro from Shell
Question:
1. Which tune should be a good fit for my car? BM3 or MHD?
2. for cold air intake - Eventuri or MSS would be a good fit for my car?
I appreciate all the help guys. Thanks!
Tawhid
Hey any updates to your decision? I’m in the same situation.
Mg flasher
Are there any options where I can make my own tune? I used to have a Subaru and there was open source software I used and flashed my car from my laptop.
They all support flashing custom tunes
you should make a “should you buy a 440i/ ….. video”
Would the MHD work for my 330e?
What do you think is the best for a stage 1 tune on 91 octane gas in cali that will give me max add hp and torque?
Can custom tunes be modyfied by the flexfuel sensor? Or is that only for ots pump gas maps (thinking mhd)
You can make custom flex fuel maps yes. That's what I'm doing on my setup
@@kern417 oh wow thats def where its at. Does the stock map come with mhd automatically or do you need the pack of maps to get that? Because otherwise I'm almost thinking it would be better to skip all the ots maps and go straight to custom ones. but obviously being in cali I need stock map for SMOG
The map pack includes all the maps. If you are getting custom tuned then you don't need the map pack
GREAT CONTENT!!!!!!👊💪
Do you know if mhd is going to add launch control or no lift shifts for the 6mt gen 1 b58 ? If not what are your thoughts on adding a wot box for those features?
I do believe they will eventually. They released it for other platforms already.
@@kern417 They actually added nolift shift for 6mt couple days ago and 2step for the 6mt aswell
I posted a video on it last week.
@FlexinJump yeah the NLS is awesome but gen 1 b58 still doesn't have launch control.
ecutek?
Great video
Are any of them particularly better when paired with xHP relative to the other company?
nope, completely separate products.
Will bootmod3 come out with full reflex integration? Even if you buy the bm3 flex fuel kit plus the full motiv reflex+ would PI on BM3 still be as safe?
I would be shocked
I believe they are working on it but I don't know when it would actually happen
If doing a future one, it would be good to see jb4 included.
hey man, i know i’m a year late on this video haha, but i was wondering if i can check within the mhd app without purchasing the license to see if my ecu is locked, or if it’s before june 2020 and i’m benchmarked and have to send it in to get it unlocked.
Yes you can. Just need an obd adapter to connect to the car
@@kern417 Is it any WIFI OBD adapter that works?
@@Verellic The Kies Wifi ENET Adapter works with it. I used mine to check if my ECU was unlocked 👌🏼
To use the gauge dashboard with your phone do you leave your obd adapter on and your phone in airplane or can you just do ad you please with your phone ?
I don't keep mine in airplane mode but if you get a call or something while logging then it can mess up the data
@@kern417 I just wanna use it to see my psi and temps I wouldn’t log any times or anything do you think that it would get messed up for me having those pulled up and do you leave the adapter plugged in?
Nope it should be fine