Is a Stage 3 Trans Tune too much for Stock Turbo setups? Guide to xHP Tuning Maps
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
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You're the man Kern! You always give the B58 community the info that we need.
Well said Kern, stage 2 is the best option specially if you are not tracking the car or drag racing. I’m on MHD Stage 1 and xHP Stage 2 in my 440i GC and it’s my daily driver but it feels really nice when you press the gas pedal 😊👍🏼pretty happy with the performance that i have with both flashed options.
I have the came car and looking for the same setup with flex fuel like e40. Bm3 has a nice flex fuel kit. How much hp are you putting down?
I usually don’t comment on RUclips, but I have been a subscriber for awhile now. Hands down, best B58 information out there. You actually explain why things are and not just because. This video made my mind up to purchase this flash!!
Awesome man. Glad to help and you won't regret it
I recommend a video specifically on tq reduction up-shifting. See so many people get that concept wrong trying to achieve shift farts.
Had my M140i for a year and gutted I've only just found your channel, solid content man!
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Great video and very informative. I have the B48 330i stage 2 with BM3 and have been considering XHP for a while but could not really find the answer to my question about if it was worth it for lower horsepower tune like mine (approximately 350HP) but you sure answered that for me. Big thank you.
Was literally looking into xhp last night and wondering what to do. You read my mind man 👌🏻 thanks for this
great info man, it really shows the amount of preparation that gone into it, I am a new owner of a B58, for me I think it's very powerful just on stock, but nice to know the tons of features one might consider getting in the future..well said!!
Looking forward to part 2 for all the custom settings 💪
very concise and to the point as usual... keep up the good work
Thank you Kern, been waiting for this video!
Great video explaining the nuances of xHP!
Great information. Thanks Kern. 👍
I have full bolts on my f10 with stage 2 MHD running xHP stage 2 it’s amazing
great video man, very informative. I have been just using stage 3 and i dont really like hoe it shifs and feels. So i went to stage 1 to see the difference and its much nicer to drive
Awesome glad you enjoy it
I can't wait to watch man 2 month I went for xhp stg3 on stock engine map next day I downgrade for xhp stg2 it was too much powerful
I have an mhd stage 2+ 440i and run stage 2 xhp transmission tune. Stage 3 was too hard for my liking
You can just change your shifts to neutral or relaxed for softer shifts
@@3RunnaWRLD-fp4xrwhere is the option for that?
@@jvfishingssunder shift points I believe
@@3RunnaWRLD-fp4xrbefore I installed xhp,comfort shifting in manual was relatively fast,but that all changed when I had xhp installed.Comfort shifting was almost like the zf6-slow as F.Is it possible to have the comfort shifts as normal or similar to sport and other modes?
Bro thank you I’ve been trying to tell ppl this but now I’ll link 🔗 it
Stage 2 was my go to, but then they removed fast manual shifting in DSC off mode in the latest version.
I noticed that in one of the track days earlier this year. Had to move to Stage 3
Great video
thanks for watching
How does stage 1/2/3 affect eco pro mode for the people that still wanna save fuel from time to time?
I’ve found recently that the custom Launch control is now working really well. Tested on Stage 2+ RWD 440i with XF8 took half a second off my 0-60 time.
I'll have to give it a shot 👌🏾
You forfot something about stage 2 vs stage 3, and this is DSC off. Manual mode is really slower in dsc off in stage 2, there's a delay between shifts and in stage 3 they are instant. That's why I went stage 3. I just turned down throttle blips to minimum in settings because they were pushing the car when braking.
In stage 2, DCT and DSC off mode does not activate fastest shifting in the latest version. Only v1.0 does so.
Hi i have a m5 comp 700 pounds feet of torqe where should i set torque reduction and punch dct transmission xhp stage 2 thanks so much
Have a 330i f30 2018 and mine is stage 2 and it’s pretty fast
Great video, but one very essential detail you missed out is that the difference in shifts between Stage 2 and Stage 3 is ONLY in Sport+ / Manual, not in Sport or Comfort, which remain the same in both stages!! This is crucial for those of us who drive predominately in Comfort and Sport and use Sport+ / M (or practically S) only when really aiming and expecting maximum performance and maximum aggressiveness!!
Also, maybe it is something I've read but forgotten - are you suggesting in Stage 2, shifts are faster in Sport+ compared to Sport?
Do you know for sure / can you confidently feel that? IMO they are the same (faster than in Comfort, of course).
Apart from that - I tried both Stage 2 and Stage 3 (starting with Stage 2). To me, Stage 3 in Sport+ / Manual is not at all as jerky as some people describe it, the shifts are harder but N O T H I N G compared to e.g. M135i's stock (!) gearbox shifts in Sport, which crack your back on every shift. And since I rarely use Sport+ (and when I do - I don't mind the extra sauce) - I stayed with Stage 3, as in Comfort and Sport it is essentially Stage 2. therefore again - it is crucial to understand that Stage 2 Comfort = Stage 3 Comfort and Stage 2 Sport = Stage 3 Sport!!
Yes, I can tell you for Stage2 that shifts are faster in Sport+ than Sport (I believe the app mentions this.)
This may depend on your iDrive settings though, for me with S2NH, I can chose whether to have dampening adjusted in Sport or Sport+ only.
That's exactly what i said at 11:50. Maybe you missed it.
@@kern417 My bad - you do mention it there indeed, but I would have put a huge spell on it. That's the key for understanding the difference between Stage 2 and Stage 3 and for choosing a Stage. There is a common misconception that Stage 3 is "harsh" and even "dangerous" irrespective of the mode which absolutely isn't true.
@@bsturn Not sure what M Sport Brakes (S2NH) have to do with the transmission but I get your point about manually setting Sport mode. In my case Sport is with its default settings and I am not confident the shifts with Stage 2 Sport+ are any different than in Sport. Happy to be corrected. From memory xHP only say that the drive modes control the shift speeds, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there are 4 shift speed modes - in reverse order the shifts are not any softer in EcoPro than they are in Comfort.
@@Y.D.43210 This is an overview video. The primary point is to show that one stage isn't designed for more power like engine tuning ots maps. They just enable different features in different settings. It doesn't make sense to harp on just one feature.
I’ve got stage 3 installed and really don’t find it jerky at all. Depends on user I suppose.
The new M135i /M235i have the worst and harshest gear tunes I’ve ever experienced from factory. It literally lurches forward when it shifts gears 😂
Exactly my point! Stage 3 is absolutely nothing in comparison!! It must be said the M135i has a different gearbox though, not ZF, but fact remains - in Sport (out of factory) it kicks you like an angry stallion!! Stage 3 is a kitten playing in comparison... so I also don't understand what jerkiness people complain about.
@@Y.D.43210 yeah I’ve heard it’s not ZF but it’s hugely more aggressive than even stage 3 XHP 😂 Could class it as stage 5 in comparison 😂
Great video👍Slightly off topic but I’ve often wondered if the software update that’s part of the mppsk install at bmw adjusts the gearbox software as it seems to improve shift times in sport+ (could be wrong)
Great content as usual kev, but what about BM3 transmission tune is it more safe or XHP stg 2 for example? Just purchased BM3 license a couple of weeks ago so I’m not sure which to try
They don't have a trans Tune for our b58 cars. The ones they have on other cars only removes the torque limiter and doesn't have nearly as many features as xHP.
xhp stage 3 works better and smoother than stage 2 with my 440i bm3 stage 2 e30 flex tune. regardless, you can change settings with any stage for torque, shift aggression, etc.
That's really the key. It doesn't hurt to try all the maps and just pick what you prefer. I'm still confident a lot of feedback is placebo but ultimately going with what you like will make the experience more enjoyable.
i went straight to stage 3 and its perfect for all round driving, i love the DCT type shifting in DSC off/sport+, the manual shifts are instant its so good
in comfort and sport mode the shifting is still super smooth basically like oem, but sometimes wish the sport mode had harsher shifting as i dont always want to go into sport+ or dsc to have a hoon around.
oh and wonder why in comfort and sport mode manual shifting is slower than oem lol
Apparently they changed that in one of the updates. I never used it before now so can't really compare
@@kern417 I’m on 1.7 and manual upshifting in comfort and sport is quite slow
@@ahhhh226 yeah same i just haven't experienced any different for frame of reference. If i want fast shifts i go to sport +
Whats your mods? im gonna be getting xhp soon and not knowing whether to go straight to stage 3 or stop at 2 (stock m340i)
Thank you for bringing new about B58 man I really appreciate the work you do, I have one simple question, as far as I understand, bmw x40 engines comes with a different torque converter than the one in 540i, how much can I push with the stock converter before looking to upgrade to an M Performance torque converter or another one in order to make some gains, I really don understand why the 540 G30 comes with a different torque converter than the 440, 340 cars? Thank you.
I haven't seen anything regarding that. I don't know of any 5 series with slipping torque converters, even with big turbos
Hi Kern, I really love all the videos you put out; they're very informative! I have a question, I have a 540i and it's on stage 3 XHP and stage 2 BM3. When the car shifts in comfort plus, I feel a jerk which I don't want to feel. Is there a way to have OEM settings for comfort plus and then stage 3 XHP on sport + or should I use stage 2 XHP and it should be less aggressive on comfort plus?
It's probably the slow shifts in comfort +. Try selecting one of the presets in the shiftmap options
I was told by my tuner not to run 3 unless built Trans. 2nd tune they wouldn't dyno it until I went back to stage 1
Is it normal with stage 3 that the shift on low throttle and low rpm that the shifts from 1 to 2 break my neck? Or is it just part of the aggressive experience thing?
Thanks for the info! Just wondered if you think xHP adds much wear and tear/could add issues with reliability and longevity at all? I know you mentioned the torque limiters stock operate well below the safe levels for the zf8.
With these features no. In part 2 i will talk more about the options that can
What are we looking at from a normal bootmod stage 2 to adding a stage 2 or 3 tranny tune in terms of 0-60 or 1/4 mile improvements?
I'm on Stage 2.... DRAG MODE.... Moderately spirited driving, - never go above 3500 RPM and it's lasted 1300 miles. Clutch adaptions look the same.
One question I have always had is, how hard are these tunes on the transmission/ overall health and longevity in general? I had to flash stage 3 after installing my big turbo as stage 2 was limiting the torque pulling from 50’s and would cause a split second loss of power before picking back up.
Generally it isn't an issue. But some settings allow you to push the limits so you should be aware of what's happening before you go that far
@@kern417 Thanks brother! Quality content as always 🙌🏽
I'm thinking of going MHD stage 2 on my daily, should I proceed to purchase xHP? I'm not racing or doing anything like that, just want that power.
It's great with any tune. It just improved drivability overall. I think stage 2 is the perfect Middle ground.
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Bro... I love your channel! So helpful. Okay, I am going to buy XHP but I need to fix my 540i first. Can you help me, please... Ever since I upgraded to the B58TU fuel pump. I can not get my car to make any aggressive pops. I use BootMod3 and running the Stage 2 plus. I have a stock exhaust, VSFR high flow downpipe, charge pipe upgrade, and K&N air filter. With that said... I could make it very loud before the new fuel pump install. Do you have any clue what might be going on? I have tried refreshing back to stock and then back to the tune. I changed the custom burbles to max and it still sounds the same. Help please. Thank you!❤
Not sure. I would message PTF for help addressing it. A pump doesn't do anything with burbles.
I love stage 2 with custom options Yeet
Would you say stage 2 will produce the same times as stage 3? Also I’ve heard people claim that the line bump is not active 100% of the time, and that it increases the pressure as it sees that it needs it. Do you know which of those statements is true? Thanks for the content Kevin.
This comment^^^
with the right settings it's the same. just depends. stage 3 will put you in the fastest shifting modes more often.
What is the current only way to get more power out of POST 06/2020 produced b58s. So like for example a 2021 m340i. And are there any companies working to figure out a way to unlock them without having to send them to femto? Its been 2 years since those b58s came out, shouldnt there be some kind of progress on figuring out a way to crack the dmes?
so on WOT stage 2 and stage 3 have the same shift speed?
With everything else equally yes. A lot of it depends on your drive mode and transmission mode, but they have it set up to automatically go to the fastest shift mode when you're wide open throttle.
Can you do stage 3 map and stage 3 trans map on a stock car? (BMW G20 320I)
What is a stage 3 map
Sorry the question is, will it be okey if you do a stage 3 trans tune using (xhpflashtool) on a stock car?
Yes
I don’t know about that I had stage 2 and I think stage 3 is faster and much more fun than stage 2
Can you create custom calibrations with the XHD package? So is it a software package or just a flash tool for OTS maps?
you can use it to flash custom transmission tunes, yes.
Doesn’t also xhp reduce lag in manual mode? Like when you hit the paddle or shifter to gear up, there is less of a delay before the transmission shifts. I don’t have experience with xhp myself so I don’t know if this is true.
It does shift faster and harder, especially sport plus and DSC off. I'm currently on xhp stage 2
They modify the shift mapping so it's more sensitive and downshifts earlier
Yes, I have stage 3 and it’s far more responsive.
I am yet to buy xHP just for ignition cut aka upshift farts. Can I go with stage 2 but then add ignition cut?
sure
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Those of us with a90s is it worth adding sport plus thru Bimmercode with xhp or stay with ots maps
I think so. If it's like F30, it just combines all the fastest modes from everything, plus softened traction control to let the wheels slip a bit. It's great for performance and fun.
Is their a trans tune for b46? Im running 93 octane stage 2 bootmod3 with multiple upgrades
This should work with b46/b48
Once you go hybrid on the 340 I’d be interested to see what you change in the settings. While they raise the rpm a tiny bit it still goes into 8th fast at low rpms and kinda bogs you a bit if you have max torque at 3-3500rpm. Tried sportive shift map in the editor but it’s still not rly where I want it
in the options where you chose sportive you can also do custom to change when each gear shifts
Im also curious how hybrid turbo affects to normal daily driving with D mode, is there still enough power to drive 1200-1500rpm ?
@@alexk4804 yeah but not sure how I should go about doing that. The presets don’t add the same % to each gear and if you do it wrong it can make the car really weird to drive. If you have some settings I’d love to try em! The standard xHP shiftmaps are def made for stock turbo. Adjusting a slider with a % is hard to gauge compared to just setting an rpm
Ideally in d mode, rpm would be at like 1800 while cruising but shift down with a little gas to be in the power band more and feel less sluggish. Shifting at 3k with 25-40% throttle and higher at 4-5k above 50% throttle.
And hold 6th and 7th gear longer so you’re not in 8th gear at 50mph. May try sportive+ instead of sportive next
@@przemekgodzik56 depending on which hybrid mechanically they will spool different. pure800 or the smaller daw turbos can spool pretty fast while the ultra flow will spool slower. Regardless, most tuners won’t give you full boost till 3500 even if the turbo spools faster to protect the stock motor.
I’ve driven my og pure800 car for a while and like to be in d mode comfort around town and cruising on the freeway. It’s not undriveable but changing the shift maps would greatly help. The standard stage 3 shiftmaps are a bit lazy imo
@@SpiderGamesHard Id like to take turbosystems stage 2. Its not big turbo, maximum untill 600hp. Stock turbo is crusing around 1200-1600rmp and im curious if on turbosystems stage 2 will be simmilar with daily driving or its gonna be annoying
do i need a specific wifi dongle or can i just buy one of Amazon? thanks for the vid
need a specific one. i recommend mhd universal it works with everything
thanks broski @@kern417
Would anyone be able to speak to long term reliability? Looking to flash xHP stage 2 with either JB4 piggyback or BM3 stage 1. What kind of logging should be done to monitor ZF 8 speed performance?
It works great and reliability. Reading adaptations will be the best opportunity to confirm trans health
went straight to stage 3, and my trans began overheating on very hot days after 30 min and would take a bit to overheat on cooler days, not sure if this is common or has happened to anyone or if it has to do with xhp or another issue, but any info or advice?
How do you know it was overheating?
Does it matter what stage mhd I am ? I’m currently stage 1 MHD on my 340i. Contemplating buying my dp and going stage 2 or buying xhp what’s your thought. If I go xhp is stage 2 ok whilst mhd is stage 1
Yeah, no need to match the stages, i’m also on Stage 1 with MHD but stage 2 with xHP on my (B58 Gen1) 440i GC and it’s awesome! Go for it, it worth the money 😉👌I’m really happy with the performance!
Currently stage 1 340i rwd, im going xhp stage 2 before i get a DP. I’ll prob end up doing some suspension work and sway bars before i go stage 2. Also gotta make sure your tire setup can put that power down. So it really depends on your goals and if you’re ready for stage 2. and a stage 2 transmission tune will work fine with a stage 1 ecu tune, you shouldn’t have to worry about matching the stages. Personally I would go with xHP tune next, it’s fairly cheap and no install required. Dp is also pretty affordable and if you already have MHD license then ur good to go whenever you pop it in.
@@technopro-kz4xv I used to work at bmw as a porter and would always drive the m340is and now I can say my 340i shifts and feels like an m340i now hahaha glad I took your advice
@@HargunSV i agreed with u about the tires and suspension your comment highly influenced me to go trans tune after all thanks bro
The one has nothing to do with the other. I had xHP Stage 3 before I even tuned the engine! So Stage 0 + Stage 3. Still plenty of advantages.
I’ve bought an m2c with stage 1 (550hp/700nm) but I think without TCU tune. The other day went into limp mode and my transmission act weird,and had propulsor error in the dashboard and CEL. After 30mins started the car up and looked finês. Now I am wondering if it needs a TCU tune. Could it be hitting a torque limiter?
i suppose it's possible but not likely. you need to scan for codes in those scenarios to see what's wrong
@@kern417 there was errors from the transmission,it had a short circuit between the connection of engine and transmissionCU. But if it hits torque limiters shouldnt go limp mode? Also I was pushing the car hard in high revs
without the codes it's no use trying to guess. your other option is to run a log.
Is stage 2 best for ‘18 m240i xdrive mhd stage 1 93 octane?
You have to drive them and choose the one that you prefer. One isn't necessarily better than the other, it's up to user preference.
If I’m getting a combustion engine torque limitation active code will xhp fix this? Im on a custom e85 tune
If you don't have xhp then you will trigger limiters depending on how much torque the car is requesting
@@kern417 i got xhp stage 3 but still getting the shadow codes sadly. Will see what my tuner says
Is the load/boost going over target in your logs?
@@kern417 yeah but now it only flags the torque flag near redline (6.6k rpms) so seems to be fixed on this newest revision I got today 🤙
That’s what m car does in drive. Bogs down and shifts through every gear!! Why is that? I’m tuned stage 3 on car and trans
I ran stage 1 but it didn’t give me the results I wanted, 3 allowed my car to get sideways
How is the long term reliability? Im stage 2 rn but i want to go to 3. Do you think its fine on a stock transmission?
@@coastss im running it on a stock transmission too
Does stage 3 mess with reliability? The extra aggression kinda scares me… or should I be okay
Yeah, it could wear quicker your gearbox… i’m on Stage 2 and believe me, that would be enough specially if you are running any stage with MHD or BM3…
@@technopro-kz4xv yeah I don’t even go into sport plus because it’s so aggressive, I’m going to tune to stage 2, it feels the best
You have a discord or any other place to ask questions? Facebook group
search B58 Discussion on Facebook
@@kern417 is it ok to go stage 2 on stock boost?
yes
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Nah bruh 🤺
Do i need the map pack or just the license
Depends on what tune you want
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For those of us running stock, xhp ruined my car. It took away the hard aggressive shifts of the standard factory map in Sport mode. When I then tried to revert back to factory map, it took some updated stock map from somewhere....their servers.... And not the original map from my car. So I've now forever lost the enjoyable jerky shifts in sport mode, as well as the "fart noises" on upshifts. Total disaster.
If you want sharp gear changes you really need to put the car in Sport+ and to go in S mode (stick to left) or manual mode. For me, the shifts are crazy fast !
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