It’s funny cause as someone who listens to bills pod still today I’ve heard him talk about Marcus smart a million times, it’s cool how he kind of nailed smart’s impact and attitude w his analysis
Top to bottom this was the best 2 round draft in NBA History: Jokic, Embiid, Nurkic, Gordon, Smart, Randle, LaVine, Wiggins, Bogdonovich, Capela, Harris, Kyle Anderson, Saric, Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Clarkson Got damn
It’s so fun to think about someone from the future being included in this conversation. If someone were to tell them “a 3 time MVP and top-20 player of all time is included in this draft try to guess who it is,” it would be so fun to see how long it took them to get to Jokic and then the shock on their face when they hear it’s him.
I completely agree with u yeah. It’s almost like people ignored or didn’t watch him in college. He was the same player in college. Low motor and defense is all effort. It has nothing to do with length.
I’m a Bucks fan so I watched a lot of that season; it was the most healthy that he ever was. Unfortunately, several knee injuries derailed what should have been a promising career.
@@Juice-ig3jz If Embiid didn't rehab correctly, his career could have been over before it started. Let's not forget how limited he was his first few years
Wow. Saying Michigan State hasn't had a good pro since Zach Randolph. They were literally one offseason away from formerly introduced to Draymond Green.
these two nailed this, jabari averaged 20 pts only injury stopped him, embiid was the best, both wernt sure on wiggins, aaron gordon in 2023 is playing like marion, they didnt like vonleh, nailed marcus smart
I feel like Smart is definitely the best version of himself because he's with the Celtics but he's probably alright with the Hornets, streaky but mostly ok shooting and lockdown defense
This pod aged very well for Jalen. Pounding the table for Embiid and Gary Harris, breaking news on the beginning of the end for Ty Lawson. Bill is like 30% on takes over his career. That Aaron Gordon as Westbrook of the draft, gushing about Elfrid Payton.
Bill doesn’t watch more than 15 minutes of most of these players and then compares them to hall of famers. It’s amazing how for a guy who wrote a book about the history of basketball, he barely understands the game. It’s on a very surface level. Which is fine for recounting history of games, but he’s not able to make prognostications seriously.
I know this is 3 years later and Gary looked promising at the time but me seeing this now it’s funny that it turned out Harris wasn’t quite so good after all
@salamisumo2 he was hesitant on his injuries which teams were which is why Embiid went 3. Not once did he say Embiid would be bad. Stop building a false narrative.
@@maxdurk4624 Was still a silly thing to say even at the time. Even if you go back two years it shouldn't have been called an awful draft. It also shows that you shouldn't count out a draft class after just six years. Embiid and Jokic have been MVP candidates, Capela and Smart have been DPOY candidates, and there is at least fifteen other productive players. Hell, players like Joe Harris, TJ Warren and Gary Harris barely make the top twenty. It was a pretty stacked draft funnily enough.
@@cachedreamer Ehhh, I wouldn't call it stacked. Capela was never a DOTY candidate, and 2 years ago neither Embiid nor Jokic were MVP type players. And that top 10 was UGLY before Wiggins, Lavine, and Randle became good.
@@maxdurk4624 Capela was never a DPOY candidate? He finished 6th in voting in 20/21 whilst having some of the best defensive numbers in the league. It was almost unanimously agreed upon that he was one of the best defensive players in the league that season. Completely carried the Hawks defensive unit. It's undeniably stacked. How many draft classes can you name which were clearly better? The 1970 draft is considered by most to be a top ten draft and 2014 was handedly better.
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Bill and Jalen had great chemistry
Josh Nyamburi bill has great chemistry with everyone he is a great hang
Jalen too. It's a good match. Jacoby just doesn't cut it for me.
Yur right, but Jacoby and Russillo are dope
Big Aluminum not a huge RR guy not gonna lie
@@joshnyamburi overall id agree but their pods the last like year have been good
Crazy to come back and listen to these things 10 years later
That reaction from Bill when the Cavs picked Bennett was/is legendary!
“WHOA!!!” 😂😂😂 1:50
3 years early, Bill with the trade of 1st and 3rd picks
It’s funny cause as someone who listens to bills pod still today I’ve heard him talk about Marcus smart a million times, it’s cool how he kind of nailed smart’s impact and attitude w his analysis
i took them for granted at the time. these two are too dope of ppl
bill killed it. He got embiid and saric right and gary harris
Top to bottom this was the best 2 round draft in NBA History: Jokic, Embiid, Nurkic, Gordon, Smart, Randle, LaVine, Wiggins, Bogdonovich, Capela, Harris, Kyle Anderson, Saric, Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Clarkson
Got damn
It’s so fun to think about someone from the future being included in this conversation.
If someone were to tell them “a 3 time MVP and top-20 player of all time is included in this draft try to guess who it is,” it would be so fun to see how long it took them to get to Jokic and then the shock on their face when they hear it’s him.
It's so crazy how everyone thought Wiggins would be so good at defense and now he's literally one of the worse starters defensively
I completely agree with u yeah.
It’s almost like people ignored or didn’t watch him in college. He was the same player in college.
Low motor and defense is all effort. It has nothing to do with length.
Now he is one of the best wing defenders in the league
And he locked up Tatum now and guarded Luka well too. Situation mattered a lot for him
It’s crazy - Jabari averaged 20.1 in his third season and then never sniffed it after that.
I’m a Bucks fan so I watched a lot of that season; it was the most healthy that he ever was. Unfortunately, several knee injuries derailed what should have been a promising career.
They were so right about Vonleh
Damn Joel Embied with the Cav's wow!!!! Jalen was right
Fun to look back and see how right Jalen was
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@joeo5484 he was pretty clear that Cleveland should’ve took Embiid one. Him and kyrie would’ve been lethal but they probably don’t get lebron.
@@Juice-ig3jz If Embiid didn't rehab correctly, his career could have been over before it started. Let's not forget how limited he was his first few years
Wow. Saying Michigan State hasn't had a good pro since Zach Randolph. They were literally one offseason away from formerly introduced to Draymond Green.
‘Don’t get fired Bill’
these two nailed this, jabari averaged 20 pts only injury stopped him, embiid was the best, both wernt sure on wiggins, aaron gordon in 2023 is playing like marion, they didnt like vonleh, nailed marcus smart
Here we are 7 years later and randle is arguably a top 15 guy in the league, shows how sometimes you’ve got to be patient with players
This did not age well
@@masteryoda913 now it has
@@maxwatkins7032 randle has never sniffed top 30 let alone top 15...
timtresch4848 He made all nba which is basically a list of the 15 best players in the league that year.
Fun to see later im gonna have to start watching more with jalen i remember they were on some espn stuff together
Grantland forever
4 years later Embiid plays like an All Star and made Philly relevant and talked about.
jalen nailed embiid
Embiid the dude that will never win because he takes games off for "load management" and watched his team lose? Gotcha
Thabo Sefolosha is still waiting for the invitation
“Don’t get fired, Bill” lol
If it were me, I’d trade down and take Nikola Jokic.
Bill was kinda dead on with the Bledsoe-Smart comp
its so crazy to see this now, if embiid went to the Cavs?!?!?!
does lebron trade him like he did wigg? probably one of the craziest hypotheticals of all time
14:30 correct
“Surest thing in the draft” was the big bust in the top 3 lmao
He had two ACL injuries.
"I like having a backcourt of Marcus Smart and Kemba" sorry Charlotte
I feel like Smart is definitely the best version of himself because he's with the Celtics but he's probably alright with the Hornets, streaky but mostly ok shooting and lockdown defense
@@ParsnipPizza fair, but just funny that Bill talked about a potential guard tandem that ended up being his favorite team's 6 years later
This pod aged very well for Jalen. Pounding the table for Embiid and Gary Harris, breaking news on the beginning of the end for Ty Lawson.
Bill is like 30% on takes over his career. That Aaron Gordon as Westbrook of the draft, gushing about Elfrid Payton.
Myles he didn't say Gordon would be as good as Westbrook.. And Gordon did end up working out really well.
"The Russell Westbrook of the draft" is pretty black and white. He was describing AG to be some super high energy, two way dynamo that he hasn't been.
Bill doesn’t watch more than 15 minutes of most of these players and then compares them to hall of famers.
It’s amazing how for a guy who wrote a book about the history of basketball, he barely understands the game. It’s on a very surface level. Which is fine for recounting history of games, but he’s not able to make prognostications seriously.
I know this is 3 years later and Gary looked promising at the time but me seeing this now it’s funny that it turned out Harris wasn’t quite so good after all
@@JoeTumanGary 2017 season had so much promise after as a nuggets fan thought he would turn into a 20ppg all nba defender in 2018😢
Wow bill was dead on with AG!!!
Watchin this now I’m just like lakers gettin vonleh my worst nightmare
cavs trade embiid to wolves imagine kat and embiid
Bill nailed it at 35:00
Yeah and he also whiffed hard on calling Jabari Parker a sure thing and being iffy on Embiid 3:43
@salamisumo2 he was hesitant on his injuries which teams were which is why Embiid went 3. Not once did he say Embiid would be bad. Stop building a false narrative.
21:41 LOL it's 10 years
52:52
03 28 24 THIS IS BEFORE JALEN AND JACOBY. GRATITUDE.
ayooo??? @ 7:27
Cornball holding a baseball bat
My god, they were so incredibly right about so much
17:36
Hilarious. The 2014 draft was awfull and everybody thought it was gonna be legendary 😂
Embiid,Jokic,Lavine,Smart,Wiggins,Gordon, and Randle are all productive. It's not an all time draft but it's not horrible
@@jordan12118 Wiggins, Lavine, and kind of Randle have all improved since I wrote this comment
@@maxdurk4624 Was still a silly thing to say even at the time. Even if you go back two years it shouldn't have been called an awful draft.
It also shows that you shouldn't count out a draft class after just six years. Embiid and Jokic have been MVP candidates, Capela and Smart have been DPOY candidates, and there is at least fifteen other productive players. Hell, players like Joe Harris, TJ Warren and Gary Harris barely make the top twenty. It was a pretty stacked draft funnily enough.
@@cachedreamer Ehhh, I wouldn't call it stacked. Capela was never a DOTY candidate, and 2 years ago neither Embiid nor Jokic were MVP type players. And that top 10 was UGLY before Wiggins, Lavine, and Randle became good.
@@maxdurk4624 Capela was never a DPOY candidate? He finished 6th in voting in 20/21 whilst having some of the best defensive numbers in the league. It was almost unanimously agreed upon that he was one of the best defensive players in the league that season. Completely carried the Hawks defensive unit.
It's undeniably stacked. How many draft classes can you name which were clearly better? The 1970 draft is considered by most to be a top ten draft and 2014 was handedly better.
These were the days
Jalen was all over Embiid