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When he said a Quarterback comp for Iverson, it's so simple, it's Michael Vick. Vick was electrifying and extremely fun to watch, in his prime he was an iconic figure in the sport. However, like Iverson, Vick was controversial off the field, never won anything significant and was relatively inefficient (completing around 50-55% of his passes). AI=Vick.
Speaking of QBs... Have you seen Iversons Qb video from high school? Impressive enough playing basketball at that size. He was a damn good football player as well...
BRYANT IS NOBODY NEVER SAW PLAYOFF IN CAREER. NASH ALWAYS HAD 3 OR 4 ALLSTARS SNIPERS. DIRK FINLEY STACKHOUSE ANTOINE WALKER JAMISON...THEN ISO JOE JOHNSON, AMARE, MATRIX THOSE ARE 10 ALLSTARS. NAME ME 1 ALLSTAR IVERSON HAD BESIDE OLD MUTOMBO WHO CANT SHOOT ??? BRYANT IS NOBODY. IM GLAD KARMA PAYBACK TO LIAR. REST IN PIECES FOR GIRL THAT U ABUSED 2003 AND RIGGED RINGS BY TIM DONAGHY.
The thing you missed, Chuck to Iverson in the fantasy draft #1 overall because he thought the draft was who would you want in an all-star game but it really was an all-star fantasy draft for who you want all-time...
no comment definitely was. Barkley would had a ring if it wasn’t for MJ. Barkley also was able to sign with the best players around him. He was the best player in the 92 Dream Team. Not saying he is the best player out of that team, but during the Olympics Barkley would had been the Olympics Finals MVP if they had individual awards.
@@stevenbarnes7960 and he didn't win shit , just like Dominique. Both are top 50 not top 10 😂😁 Iverson sure ain't top ten you moron child, when we're u born ? In the "I know everything era"¿? Stfu child.
Juan M Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis Seattle teams where Dark Horse championship contenders. Behind the Lakers,Spurs,and the rest of the West when 50 wins couldn’t guarantee you a playoff spot
Saying Allen Iverson didn't care about winning is a downright falsehood. What you mean to say is, 'Allen didn't always put himself and his team in the best position to win...because of his ego.' Ray Allen was always a good player, especially during his time with the Sonics. He was never, ever, the main guy or top player in the NBA. Safer bet to win the title? How is it Ray Allen considering he never made it to the final round until he joined the Celtics and Heat - teams in which he was never the go-to, not the second, or even third option. Longevity is something to celebrate but not over dominance.
Ray is gonna help you win. Iverson is going to make you play his way and not take anything seriously. Look up all the stories and how he almost got traded before the '01 run. The one year he let himself be coached it worked because of the team around him. Otherwise, that dude cared too much about his image.
@@20marvelman Mick, I lived the first 22 years of life in Philadelphia during his run with the 76ers - I know the good and the bad. Your opening line is counter-productive to your argument. Ray Allen is certainly going to help you win but is he a standalone player? Of course not, he doesn't have that star power. The 76ers front office ran by Billy King was atrocious and did little to build a roster. Ray Allen on the 76ers wouldn't have even made the postseason.
I get the knock on the analytics for iverson but its also silly to think he wouldn't be more efficient with less shots and pass more. They built the offense around him the way they did and honestly he was taking harder shots than all but a few players in the league. I think iverson's become underrated in a weird way which i never saw coming
Exactly. These bums forget he had *no help whatsoever* on offense. He took lots of bad shots because *he had too* . By the time he had another scorer to play with his body was beat to hell ! If he had Melo from yr 1 I think his qvg stays the same *but* his efficiency shoots up along with his assists per game. He was underrated passer and defender imo. Imagine if AI goes to Dallas and plays with Dirk ? Jesus !
I think he was the more skilled player than Allen or Nash, but he didn't seem to elevate his teams in the playoffs. He meant more for the culture and perception of the game, than he actually did to his teams' winning on the court. He is a less efficient Kyrie in my opinion. All world handles and ruthless to the cup. He just didn't have "it", whatever in the hell that means.
KG would've had the same problems with Iverson as he had with Marbury. There's only one basketball and both guys wanted to control the offense. It would not have worked.
@@jbizz80 People in Minnesota wanted KG to take more shots late. He was very unselfish, and would pass up contested shots, passing to wide open teammates, who generally sucked... AI and KG could have worked... KG didn't have problems with Marbury, it was Marbury who wanted to be the man.
Love that Russillo is staring down at his screen a lot of the time and you assume he's checking stats (as Bill does off to the side). Then he outs himself as simply staring at his own image by debating whether or not to go tank top/jersey for the feed. I love the Sunday pods (or Monday late arvo's over here) whether it be Sal during NFL season or Russillo.
In 96 lottery picks were expected to have instant impact. Drafting for potential and waiting for the player to develop wasn't a league wide trend until 4 or 5 years later.
Sort of. Top picks were usually 21-22 years old, so if you drafted a guy top 3 and he didn't show something impressive in the first 2 years, you started second guessing your pick. Chauncey Billups got traded 3 times in his first 2 years, and all 4 teams gave up on him. Teams might have been more patient if he'd been #13 pick or something.
My only quibble is that I would have Camby behind Wallace, Peja, and Marbury. His peak was nowhere near those 3. I don't really value the minutes-eating portion of his career that much.
this just shows these guys are using win shares off basketballreference.com to decide their picks not stats or eye test cause win shares has to do with your team not you individually hence why rasho nesterovic had a top 10 career of this draft according to that stat because he played next to kg bosh and duncan flat out every year almost of his career so of course he is going to win more games than someone on the grizzlies for example at that time but it had nothing to do with rasho as the stats prove...its lazy to decide this way....according to win shares fisher is a top 11 player of this draft..yeah fucking right... ...brad miller went undrafted in 98 so they didn't even draft him cause he didn't show up in the 98 draft and they forgot about deshawn stevenson in the worst draft ever in 2000, not saying deshawn would be top 15 in most drafts but in 2000 he is cause he had a long solid career albeit a bad stats one he had some tony allen in him or bowen or battier or prince where the stats didn't represent his effect on a defense amongst other picks they did like the often injured career starter on bad teams garbage time minny all star michael dickerson in 98 over some dudes or picking jay will in 2002 when he had no career to speak of due to injury and picking nash over ray allen and ai was just insanity imo...
@@razkable BRYANT IS NOBODY NEVER SAW PLAYOFF IN CAREER. NASH ALWAYS HAD 3 OR 4 ALLSTARS SNIPERS. DIRK FINLEY STACKHOUSE ANTOINE WALKER JAMISON...THEN ISO JOE JOHNSON, AMARE, MATRIX THOSE ARE 10 ALLSTARS. NAME ME 1 ALLSTAR IVERSON HAD BESIDE OLD MUTOMBO WHO CANT SHOOT ??? BRYANT IS NOBODY. IM GLAD KARMA PAYBACK TO LIAR. REST IN PIECES FOR GIRL THAT U ABUSED 2003 AND RIGGED RINGS BY TIM DONAGHY.
@@razkable massive double standard in how they justify some of these picks. Jay Will and Darko picks for upside and “what if” factor like we haven’t already seen how these careers played out and then pick guys for longevity with the benefit of hindsight. The whole concept is that you’re GM with a time machine, how the tf do you pick jay williams top 14? It’s crazy. The guy on the 2003 redraft was an espn writer who had darko at #2 at the time, then picks him at 14 like he still can’t let go of his all time terrible mock draft. At that point you may as well take guys like brandon roy, oden, jay will at #1 bc who knows how good they could’ve been.
Let's look at why nash didn't 03 Dirk gets hurt in conference finals 05 Joe johnson breaks his face 06 by the time they hit the conference finals they are missing 3/5th of their starting line still take mavs to 6 07 game 1 bloody nose game 3 the ref goes to prison for betting against them game 5 suspensions
oh kay AND Losing to ALL eventual champions except for that Mavs team that got robbed by DWade. Had Nash broke through in ANY of those years, they’d be overwhelming favorites to win the championship
They say Iverson's career flamed out too soon. Well, the argument could be made that Nash also took too long to develop into a starting point guard. Iverson came to the league ready from day one.
Peter MaDash which makes no sense. Iverson was great for over a decade. And it’s the front offices that forced him out. And you’re right. Iverson came out NBA ready. It took Steve Nash a few years to find his groove.
Steve Nash took a while to develop because at his first stint with Phoenix the PG starting position was held up by JKidd and Kevin Johnson was still playing at the time as well, so you can't really develop quickly when your minutes are spread across other more established PGs. He got better when he got to Dallas and was totally unleashed when he got with D'Antoni in Phoenix. I think the knock on Nash was the pure fact that he was waaay ahead of his time. His abilities just wasn't appreciated fully during his first few years in the league but when he was given the chance, he took the chance. Also his style just aged better with the league. He was in his mid-30s with Phoenix and was still contributing greatly to winning records and long runs in the Playoffs which is something I can't say for AI
@@Wolvie12100 That argument can be made about a lot of great players. Kobe was held back and buried on the Lakers bench by Del Harris. He is still number 1 on any list. That is not an excuse. The fact is, Iverson was better... 4x scoring champion, 7x All-NBA attests to this. I doubt you will find many basketball fans who think Nash had a better career than AI.
@@Wolvie12100 gtfoh Nash didn't become great until the rules changed to a European style. Take y'all asses back to hockey yall made basketball even softer
Oh wait y'all don't know what I'm referring to. I'm talking about AI and Kobe from about 05-07. They both put up huge numbers on shitty teams and didnt make the playoffs. I'm not arguing that Kobe is not better than AI. Thats a stupid argument. I'm saying they criticized Iverson for not winning with no talent and I wanted to point out what happened to Kobe with no talent
Boston had Wallace out of that draft. He tried out for them but got cut. 1996 Wallace was just a skinny swingman who couldn't shoot. Nobody wanted him until he started talking *ahem* vitamins. And every team got better when they got rid of Marbury.
@@here4boxing oh your one of those people who didn't watch the series.. How about the bucks receiving 5 flagrant fouls to Sixers 0. Twelve technical fouls! Scott Williams being suspended for a game seven in the ecf. Milwaukee had no post defense! It wasn't rigged, but you sure as hell got help from the nba. Plus mutombo was great in that series and Aaron McCie was defensive player of the year. Wish I lived in the narrative you believed in when everything is so simple.
Michael Rohde Iverson could barely walk by game 7. Scott Williams wasn’t the x-factor in the series. Milwaukee as a team had horrible shot selection. They blew it themselves.
That why iverson was the second best player and would be picked second in this draft put hem on his back and won over Allen and company and Nash didnt make the final ever I watch the games and iverson was one of a kind
I remember a young Ray Allen absolutely torching my Jazz in the playoffs. Like, we couldn't stop him from doing ANYTHING. The only other player that I remember feeling so helpless against was MJ.
Iverson took a bunch of role players to the Finals and even got a game on a vaunted Lakers team. Nash played with elite players his whole career and never even made it to the Finals. Ray Allen did nothing of note as the leader of a team. The Iverson disrespect is funny, and typically comes from guys who can't dribble a basketball.
It's cute you think Iverson took Philly to the finals in everyone. Everyone knows the NBA finals was really the western conference for the majority of the decade, especially from 00 to 03.
@@josephjohnroe3678 yet during THE FINALS the REAL one Lakers lost their only game While they swept the entirety of the west where according to you there was the ReAl FiNaLs
Ben Wallace disrespect is unreal. MARCUS CAMBY over him? Sure, his prime was pretty short, but in that short prime HE HAD 4 DPOYS. That’s an nba record! Plus, he had more career blocks than fouls. The offensive play was an issue but I’m sure if he was asked to learn how to shoot corner 3’s (Bruce Bowen style) he could do it
He was fucking terrible on offense, he's basically DeAndre Jordan on an insanely defensively good Pistons team that played the slowest, most painful to watch basketball.
There is a player in this draft who had the following run over a 5 year span: - was the best player on an NBA champion (1x) - all NBA second team (4x) - all nba defensive first team (5x) - defensive player of the year (4x) He was taken 7th in this redraft, behind Marcus Camby The disrespect towards Ben Wallace and defensive players in general is out of hand. Wallace was the anchor of the best defensive team in the league and his team won 50+ games each year during this stretch. He won 50 games in Detroit before Billups or Rip showed up. Ben Wallace was the guy. People had the nerve to question whether he is a hall of famer. Despite having a shorter prime, Ben still managed to earn more individual and team accolades than the majority of "STAR" players do in their entire careers. The majority of players on max contracts in todays NBA can't hold a candle to Ben Wallace and his resume. This is a top 3 defender of all time who had all the accolades to prove it. You can't say his defense is less valuable than a traditional star player. But Wallace won a championship this way with his defense at the core of it. This man had a legendary career and people ignore it because he wasn't scoring 17 points a night. Most star players in this league wish they could have the kind of inidivual and team success Ben Wallace did - and even when they retire, they still won't stack up.
Steve Nash played with Dirk Nowitzki, Michael Finley, Amare Stoudamire, Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson, Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard and never sniffed the NBA Finals while Allen Iverson took Eric Snow and Aaron McKie to the Finals.
"This isn't an anti-Iverson thing, this is strictly he didn't care about winning." - this would be an example of a praise/stab thing that main-stream media has perfected. I am absolutely sure that he did care about winning more than anything. He just did in a way a soldier would, not a general.
Disagree. If Iverson cared "in a soldier" way, he would have taken better care of his body. And yes, he would have *practiced* more, and expanded his offensive capabilities. There's a reason that he was out of the league as soon as it became apparent to everyone that his body was giving in to age.
What point about the Allen vs AI argument do you disagree with or are you saying that because you like how AI would cross people in the regular season? lol. AI was a better Kyrie (not that much better btw) which isn't a knock, both great players but they can't win as the best player on a team. Ray got 2 rings, and they needed him in both to win it.
@@sebastian597 The point that Iverson was a clearly better player. He was a better scorer by a significant distance... And didn't his team get to the finals, at Rays expense?
@@justaloe we make a ton of excuses. Idc about talent, I saw T Mac play too much in my life. At the end of the day results matter. T Mac if he is the caliber player you all claim he is or rather the NBA HOF claims he is should have seen the 2nd round of an NBA playoff once. I’m not asking for a finals appearance or even conference final. Just the second round. Now if that’s too much to ask especially when he had Yao Ming then I apologize my expectations are too high 😂
@Don Cornelius huh? but he made them good enough to get to the finals. Nash couldn't do that and had a way better team. So did nash make his team that much better?
@Don Cornelius yeah I'm a idiot for thinking 2 middle age white males would be bias towards a guy like Iverson. Lol when clearly Iverson was the better player
Guys, Iverson was a league MVP and took a game from the greatest playoff team in NBA history...on the road. He has the second or third highest PPG in playoff history. He actually made the Finals as a lead man, unlike Nash and Allen. 33.0 ppg as his career high and had a 10-year prime. AI is going second. And, when they picked up Mutombo, the team’s defensive rating when down.
The problem is the results. It's all self glossing. Only 1 playoff run in his entire career, his shit just didn't result in team success outside of that 1 run. That's the problem with AI. Reminds me of Westbrook's career. 1 Finals run, rest is all self glossing. Shout out Jim Rome.
You are cherry picking, Nash took a 29 win team to 62 wins, went deep in the playoffs way more times than Iverson in a way tougher conference. Iverson had one great year that people remember. Nash played 10 years longer in the league. Iverson rode the bench by 30.
@@cybersub4693 Westbrook's career is drastically different my misinformed friend, he started out in the league with KD and Harden starting out, then played with paul george, now lebron, he has never been the leader of a team, stop it man
You don’t take Ray Allen over A.I. You have to build really well around Ray Allen to have success, which the Bucks did in ‘01, but that was the only time they had major playoff success during his Bucks era. His 5 years with Sonics he only made the playoffs once until they shopped him to the Celtics. I get their points, but I think they were too hard on Iverson
@@user-bq3hq6yg3y you expect an impact to be immediate? lol the big 3 in miami with bron wade and bosh didnt even win on their first try, and that is 3 allstars, so that's a moot point
@@theeggreat4 go look it up. Even a referee admitted they don't like him that's why the calls never go his way. I admit, that series against the bucks was questionable in their favor but that was 1 series against a whole lot of games throughout his career
Abdur-Rahim had two memorable game winners. A buzzer beater against MJ's Wizards. And one against the Celtics. The poor guy was double teamed like crazy on Vancouver and had no support.
AI at 4??? Camby at 6???? Marbury, peja and walker that's crazy Big Ben was better than camby literally in every way besides scoring and its not by a lot
Was he? Wallace wasn't asked to do anything other then play D and rebound. Camby was a phenomenal dedender and you could ryn offense through as a passer. People cringed when Wallace touched the ball.
@@Benjofresh I guess I agree with that I think they just didnt have the right scouting capacity compared to the raptors and didnt get lucky at the draft. They had bust after bust and that led to not having a big 3 to market around like the raps did.
@@Benjofresh Disagree. They still averaged roughly 15,000 fans for the worst professional sports team in a 5-6 year span. Drafting Steve Francis was a huge mistake who openly said he didn't want to play in Canada (same thing that still happens to Toronto). While Lamar Odom and Richard Hamilton said they did want to play for Vancouver. The biggest mistake was not taking a gamble on Steve Nash (who grew up in Victoria, BC). If Vancouver sticks around another year and some how gets Yao Ming they would have a guaranteed sell out every home game with their heavy Asian population.
Iverson = Cam Newton... Short Primes. Inefficient freak athletes that had to be adapted to in order to work. Plus all the injuries trouble they both were riddled with.
@@hailmary7283 - I think I would take Allen and Nash over Iverson to build a franchise around (especially in today's game), but I absolutely agree with you - nobody had more heart than Iverson, and I think Iverson would have won that fumble in SB50... even the big dudes in the NBA were afraid of Iverson.
"inefficient" i would offer you the opportunity to show me who he was inefficient compared to, I can only find jordan that shot as much and had as high or higher of a fg%
Can't wait for the 01 draft its deep when you have multiple all stars in the first round and the best guy at his peak was picked in the 2nd round ... plus multiple all stars in the 2nd round
Man it ain’t no way these dudes took ray allen over Iverson it you take both their peek for 10 years it’s AI .. ray allen 2 time all nba 2nd and 3rd team vs AI 7 time all nba 3 1st teams 3 2nd teams and 1 3rd this ain’t even that close
Barkey thought they were drafting best all-star game players....he literally says it in that video, obviously a mistake but damn this Iverson negativity is killing this redraft. Iverson is a pound for pound great, just listen to what other NBA greats say about him...smh...
Never Nash over Iverson. When did Nash make the Finals? I like Nash, but until Dantoni he was maybe a 2-4 year All Star and that’s it. Iverson was 6 ft tall ballin’ 40+ minutes and never really had a number 2 scorer. He challenged every big man. AND he changed the game and the appreciation for black athletes to be accepted for who they are and where their from.
I was finally waiting for someone to say that! This is exactly why people treasure Allen Iverson far more than any other player in the draft aside from Kobe. Or maybe even more than him, because being born and raised in the same state as him, I don’t know too many players from that area that would’ve made it and then impacted the NBA like he did. He’s a cultural icon and people seem to dismiss that notion
Darko ,Kwambe Brown, would have been better if drafted by the Spurs. Larry Brown never developed any young players. And Michael Jordan Picks never become what they should have been.
As a Pacers fan, I have a clear memory of the teams that were contending then, and Philly only made one "run", but they were a concern for east teams for most of those years, teams like the Pacers and Detroit were just a little better, and we had lots of great players, philly just had AI
Thank you! A team led by A.I. was always feared because you didn’t know if he was about to go off for 40+. A team led by Ray Allen…can’t find that example.
@@petermadash4488 yeah true, partly due to the era they played in and the teams they were on... Camby would probably stretch out to the 3 point line in this era, coupling that with his defensive ability and you would have a problem
Peja used to disappear with the Kings and hornets/ pelicans and even with the Mavs from time to time. When it was up to Peja to take you home it was always a bit uncomfortable
It’s wrong to say that Iverson didn’t want to win. He put so much effort into winning, he just didn’t know how to on the offensive side. But look at his Defense. The dude wanted to win.
The dudes getting angry about Russillo and Simmons putting Nash above AI really don't understand basketball. And I say this as a lifelong Sixers fan who loved watching AI in his prime.
Iver son had much less help than Nash. Compare Dikembe to Amare? Amare was much better overall, . Nash teammates were far better (Matrix, Q, Joe Johnson). Can’t get to the finals and say that he didn’t care about winning. Nash never made it to finals so does he not care about winning?
Bs picking Nash. Nash only played well in one system. Moreover, Kidd made more threes. That's like saying Kidd is better at triple doubles and Nash got more triple doubles. SMH you keep pushing the BD overrated hype. Kidd won in the west with the same players Nash had.
@@blowc1612 so you are saying nash could have guarded Kobe, Westbrook, Durant, Harden, Wade, and lebron while JJ baretta and Jason Terry was on the floor??? In other words, are you saying Nash would have lead that team to a championship in place of Kidd? Wakeup, that team was possible because Kidd was a big PG that played great defense at three positions. No way jj baretta and Terry could have been out there with Nash running the point. SMH. Plus Dirk was MVP caliber with Nash and his team immediately got better when Nash left.
kalinwang1 That’s why Cuban’s biggest regret is letting go of Nash? Where most people think if Dirk didn’t get hurt would had a chance to beat the Spurs. You’re only mentioning Barra and Kids?! Yet it was Marion who guarded Kobe in those series. 🤦♂️ they had Chandler anchoring the defense and Peja knew how to guard Kobe for years they were playing against each other. The 11 Mavs would have been a lot better with Nash. Nash was still playing well in those years. Nash just lead the Suns prior that to the WCF when they faced the better version of the Lakers. Definitely the 11 Mavs would have been better. Stop talking like the Thunders were any good back then. They were a team that was still you and would easily get beat by experience alone.
@@blowc1612 You lost your mind. There were times when Terry, Berea and Kidd we're all on the floor. You obviously didn't watch Kidd play defense at three positions to make that possible. Dirk doesn't play defense, Nash doesn't , terry doesn't, JJ baretta doesn't. Lol you are crazy. Dirk said so himself, the team doesn't work without Kidd. Nash would have not been able to do anything with that team. He played with better defenders. Nash had all star prime Marion. Would have been the same result. Kidd was hitting 3s over 40% getting 8 APG, 7 RPG, 2 SPG and played defense at three positions. Kidd was the last all star Dirk played with. Nash wouldn't have added anything. Assist is the same (i still give Kidd an edge), 3 point shooting was the same, kidd was a 40% shooter at a high clip. The big difference is with the rebounds and defense. No way Nash would have guarded lebron, wade, Kobe, Durant, Westbrook and harden. Wakeup Kidd was the best decision Cuban made. We all know this. That thunder team that lost to us in the western conference finals went to the nba finals the very next year. You lost all credibility if you say they weren't any good.
Also, do a rewatchable of the Pats/Falcons SB. Have Bill Burr on the Podcast as well to "assist". EDIT: Let me rephrase...please do a podcast/rewatchable of the Pats/Falcons SB. Didn't mean to sound so demanding.
I don't love the execution....wright not making the list is a crime...r.i.p....dickerson just didn't have a career to speak of he was a garbage time all star getting stats in blowout losses playing 39 minutes when he was a 28 minute player max... and he had injuries..wright aleast contributed to playoff teams...
You probably can’t win a title with either guy as the number 1, but Iverson can’t be a number 2 or 3 option. He can’t defend and he can’t play off ball. I have no problem having Iverson 4th.
JoJoe Mojo i’m not here saying it’s his fault they didn’t make the playoffs those years, we all know ray was amazing. i don’t even really have a problem with a.i at 4 just the reasoning didn’t make the much sense.
I think there's an expectation that the number 1 pick should instantly go into your starting lineup and be the number one or two on the team. I don't think 18 year old Kobe could have done that.
It is based on hindsight... that is, knowing what you know now about all the players, no GM would pick anybody over Kobe. There were many team officials around the NBA at the time, particularly the New Jersey Nets who wanted Kobe but could not pick him due to the narrative around high school players. People were scared for their jobs.
If you watch Rusty Buckets video on Why AI is Overrated you will quickly learn the main reason he averaged that many points in the first place is because he nearly played a full game every season. Seriously his overall minutes were ridiculous. I seriously don't know how he kept it up for long without been psysically, emotionally and mentally exhausted come the playoffs.
The thing about Iverson was he probably had more raw talent than Kobe, Nash or Allen. But he didn’t have their commitment to work on their craft. Prime AI was as good, if not better, than theirs, but while the other 3 were able to be effective later in their careers because they took care of themselves, AI fell off a cliff. Still, he revolutionized the game. We wouldn’t have guys like Steph Curry, Lillard and Westbrook if it wasn’t for AI.
I love AI, but he was the smallest great player of all time. That doesn't necessarily translate well into consistent NBA success. He dragged the Sixers into the Finals and even won Game 1, but really never had a chance against the Shaq-Kobe Lakers, who went 15-1 in the playoffs and were loaded with long, smart players, except D. Fish and Ty Lue, who weren't big, but still had great basketball IQ, especially on that team.
if i stick my earbuds up my nose will the noise then come out my mouth? like turn my mouth into an amphitheater? and if i then shut my mouth does that turn off the sound?
It’s crazy how y’all downplaying Iverson position but all these things you’re saying he should be drafted higher. Steve Nash never even played in the finals and he played with dirk. And the suns
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Agreed, it would add some much needed/entertaining hindsight.
Daniel Brick Agreed! Came to the comments to suggest it myself. Great minds!
brad monaghan Thank you 🙏
FallopianJones False.
@@LARRY113Z Exactly lmao
Absolutely positively fantastic idea to keep us going through this NBAless isolated period. THANK YOU
Simon Frederick ditto
nice to see 22 players from this year scored over 5000 points in the nba.....thats a lot...ben and atkins did it and were not drafted...
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I was stupid lost my login password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me
When he said a Quarterback comp for Iverson, it's so simple, it's Michael Vick. Vick was electrifying and extremely fun to watch, in his prime he was an iconic figure in the sport. However, like Iverson, Vick was controversial off the field, never won anything significant and was relatively inefficient (completing around 50-55% of his passes). AI=Vick.
Bingo
100%
I’d say Kyler
Speaking of QBs... Have you seen Iversons Qb video from high school? Impressive enough playing basketball at that size. He was a damn good football player as well...
BRYANT IS NOBODY NEVER SAW PLAYOFF IN CAREER.
NASH ALWAYS HAD 3 OR 4 ALLSTARS SNIPERS. DIRK FINLEY STACKHOUSE ANTOINE WALKER JAMISON...THEN ISO JOE JOHNSON, AMARE, MATRIX THOSE ARE 10 ALLSTARS.
NAME ME 1 ALLSTAR IVERSON HAD BESIDE OLD MUTOMBO WHO CANT SHOOT ???
BRYANT IS NOBODY. IM GLAD KARMA PAYBACK TO LIAR. REST IN PIECES FOR GIRL THAT U ABUSED 2003 AND RIGGED RINGS BY TIM DONAGHY.
The thing you missed, Chuck to Iverson in the fantasy draft #1 overall because he thought the draft was who would you want in an all-star game but it really was an all-star fantasy draft for who you want all-time...
Totally a missed detail. Also a hysterical moment
Compare Iverson to Dominique Wilkins , top player at his time, no rings yet greatly respected by other players
no comment or Charles Barkley
@@JAILEDforMEMES sure , yet i feel Barkley is a level above both these players
no comment definitely was. Barkley would had a ring if it wasn’t for MJ. Barkley also was able to sign with the best players around him. He was the best player in the 92 Dream Team. Not saying he is the best player out of that team, but during the Olympics Barkley would had been the Olympics Finals MVP if they had individual awards.
Sound dumb asf Ai top 10
@@stevenbarnes7960 and he didn't win shit , just like Dominique. Both are top 50 not top 10 😂😁
Iverson sure ain't top ten you moron child, when we're u born ? In the "I know everything era"¿?
Stfu child.
I would take Peja or Ben Wallace over Marcus Camby easy.
That 2005 Finals was awesome. I'm tired of people like Bill disrespecting both teams for being in the finals.
It was trash af
@@mavssami41 It was competitive. Are you saying that because it didn't feature two big market teams?
@@Doknot-tb9ey no bc it was one of the most boring finals rhe average score was like 75-77 lol wack
@@mavssami41 It was awesome. You don't get it.
@@Doknot-tb9ey it's nostalgia....it sucked I'm sorry but it was trash
Ray had his prime years in Seattle where he beat the single-season record for 3 pointers.
Didn't Kobe have the previous record with 12?
@@ElBrillante4 I was referring to a season total.
His prime years were also in Milwaukee.
Juan M Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis Seattle teams where Dark Horse championship contenders. Behind the Lakers,Spurs,and the rest of the West when 50 wins couldn’t guarantee you a playoff spot
@@slickeddy2000 yah for one season we were contenders.
Saying Allen Iverson didn't care about winning is a downright falsehood. What you mean to say is, 'Allen didn't always put himself and his team in the best position to win...because of his ego.'
Ray Allen was always a good player, especially during his time with the Sonics. He was never, ever, the main guy or top player in the NBA.
Safer bet to win the title? How is it Ray Allen considering he never made it to the final round until he joined the Celtics and Heat - teams in which he was never the go-to, not the second, or even third option.
Longevity is something to celebrate but not over dominance.
Bill is obviously just a huge fan of that Bucks team in '01.
Charles Kruzits chill pal 😂
@Shawn Kemp yeah KD the softest player today
Ray is gonna help you win. Iverson is going to make you play his way and not take anything seriously. Look up all the stories and how he almost got traded before the '01 run. The one year he let himself be coached it worked because of the team around him. Otherwise, that dude cared too much about his image.
@@20marvelman Mick, I lived the first 22 years of life in Philadelphia during his run with the 76ers - I know the good and the bad. Your opening line is counter-productive to your argument. Ray Allen is certainly going to help you win but is he a standalone player? Of course not, he doesn't have that star power. The 76ers front office ran by Billy King was atrocious and did little to build a roster. Ray Allen on the 76ers wouldn't have even made the postseason.
Iverson 5'9 played 7'0. He was a MONSTER!
Bro he was not 5 9, why are people making him shorter all the time
C'mon Camby over Ben Wallace ..
Nice, tied for me kinda
Thought the same thing about O’Neal. Wallace as the centerpiece of that pistons defense was insane. Completely insane.
@@Walrus286O’Neil at five or six is fine, and the fact that you could logically argue he’s sixth speaks to how good this draft was
I'd take Nash over Iverson too.
Nash is a loser. How many NBA finals did Steve Trash make?
@@honeydontpourhoneyinmyassh2497 iverson got nothing without that 01
@@aarontan2197 Nash has nothing at all
@@jordan12118 LMAO check up his resume then come back lol
@Luke Skytalker i mean we can say that, but at least iverson did get one game vs lakers.
I get the knock on the analytics for iverson but its also silly to think he wouldn't be more efficient with less shots and pass more. They built the offense around him the way they did and honestly he was taking harder shots than all but a few players in the league. I think iverson's become underrated in a weird way which i never saw coming
Exactly. These bums forget he had *no help whatsoever* on offense. He took lots of bad shots because *he had too* . By the time he had another scorer to play with his body was beat to hell ! If he had Melo from yr 1 I think his qvg stays the same *but* his efficiency shoots up along with his assists per game. He was underrated passer and defender imo. Imagine if AI goes to Dallas and plays with Dirk ? Jesus !
"we're pro Iverson guys" as they continue to slander him
It's not slander if it's the truth
Truth hurts. Guy wasn’t THAT good
These guys are tripping
I think he was the more skilled player than Allen or Nash, but he didn't seem to elevate his teams in the playoffs. He meant more for the culture and perception of the game, than he actually did to his teams' winning on the court.
He is a less efficient Kyrie in my opinion. All world handles and ruthless to the cup. He just didn't have "it", whatever in the hell that means.
nitsuj salohcin he was THAT good. He was just a hard player to build around. Great individual talent however.
Iverson wouldn't have wanted to play for either Canada team.Imagine him in Minnesota instead of Marbury. Iverson and KG win at least one title
Would've been crazy
KG would've had the same problems with Iverson as he had with Marbury. There's only one basketball and both guys wanted to control the offense. It would not have worked.
@@jbizz80 Iverson is a much better player than Marbury though. I trust that they would've figurued it out
@@jbizz80 People in Minnesota wanted KG to take more shots late. He was very unselfish, and would pass up contested shots, passing to wide open teammates, who generally sucked... AI and KG could have worked... KG didn't have problems with Marbury, it was Marbury who wanted to be the man.
JBiz80 Their cut from the same cloth, I’d imagine they figure out how to play with each other
Love that Russillo is staring down at his screen a lot of the time and you assume he's checking stats (as Bill does off to the side). Then he outs himself as simply staring at his own image by debating whether or not to go tank top/jersey for the feed. I love the Sunday pods (or Monday late arvo's over here) whether it be Sal during NFL season or Russillo.
In 96 lottery picks were expected to have instant impact. Drafting for potential and waiting for the player to develop wasn't a league wide trend until 4 or 5 years later.
Sort of. Top picks were usually 21-22 years old, so if you drafted a guy top 3 and he didn't show something impressive in the first 2 years, you started second guessing your pick. Chauncey Billups got traded 3 times in his first 2 years, and all 4 teams gave up on him. Teams might have been more patient if he'd been #13 pick or something.
My only quibble is that I would have Camby behind Wallace, Peja, and Marbury. His peak was nowhere near those 3. I don't really value the minutes-eating portion of his career that much.
this just shows these guys are using win shares off basketballreference.com to decide their picks not stats or eye test cause win shares has to do with your team not you individually hence why rasho nesterovic had a top 10 career of this draft according to that stat because he played next to kg bosh and duncan flat out every year almost of his career so of course he is going to win more games than someone on the grizzlies for example at that time but it had nothing to do with rasho as the stats prove...its lazy to decide this way....according to win shares fisher is a top 11 player of this draft..yeah fucking right... ...brad miller went undrafted in 98 so they didn't even draft him cause he didn't show up in the 98 draft and they forgot about deshawn stevenson in the worst draft ever in 2000, not saying deshawn would be top 15 in most drafts but in 2000 he is cause he had a long solid career albeit a bad stats one he had some tony allen in him or bowen or battier or prince where the stats didn't represent his effect on a defense amongst other picks they did like the often injured career starter on bad teams garbage time minny all star michael dickerson in 98 over some dudes or picking jay will in 2002 when he had no career to speak of due to injury and picking nash over ray allen and ai was just insanity imo...
@@razkable BRYANT IS NOBODY NEVER SAW PLAYOFF IN CAREER.
NASH ALWAYS HAD 3 OR 4 ALLSTARS SNIPERS. DIRK FINLEY STACKHOUSE ANTOINE WALKER JAMISON...THEN ISO JOE JOHNSON, AMARE, MATRIX THOSE ARE 10 ALLSTARS.
NAME ME 1 ALLSTAR IVERSON HAD BESIDE OLD MUTOMBO WHO CANT SHOOT ???
BRYANT IS NOBODY. IM GLAD KARMA PAYBACK TO LIAR. REST IN PIECES FOR GIRL THAT U ABUSED 2003 AND RIGGED RINGS BY TIM DONAGHY.
@@razkable massive double standard in how they justify some of these picks. Jay Will and Darko picks for upside and “what if” factor like we haven’t already seen how these careers played out and then pick guys for longevity with the benefit of hindsight. The whole concept is that you’re GM with a time machine, how the tf do you pick jay williams top 14? It’s crazy. The guy on the 2003 redraft was an espn writer who had darko at #2 at the time, then picks him at 14 like he still can’t let go of his all time terrible mock draft. At that point you may as well take guys like brandon roy, oden, jay will at #1 bc who knows how good they could’ve been.
"He made the finals and then nothing after that." Ah yes, because Steve Nash won SO many titles.
Let's look at why nash didn't
03 Dirk gets hurt in conference finals
05 Joe johnson breaks his face
06 by the time they hit the conference finals they are missing 3/5th of their starting line still take mavs to 6
07 game 1 bloody nose game 3 the ref goes to prison for betting against them game 5 suspensions
oh kay AND Losing to ALL eventual champions except for that Mavs team that got robbed by DWade. Had Nash broke through in ANY of those years, they’d be overwhelming favorites to win the championship
Somebody watched SB nation untitled
Werent they talking shit about Nash winning those two MVPs? About how Shaq and Kobe shoulda won them? LOL
Nash made one SEMI-final and nothing after that
They say Iverson's career flamed out too soon. Well, the argument could be made that Nash also took too long to develop into a starting point guard. Iverson came to the league ready from day one.
Peter MaDash which makes no sense. Iverson was great for over a decade. And it’s the front offices that forced him out. And you’re right. Iverson came out NBA ready. It took Steve Nash a few years to find his groove.
Steve Nash took a while to develop because at his first stint with Phoenix the PG starting position was held up by JKidd and Kevin Johnson was still playing at the time as well, so you can't really develop quickly when your minutes are spread across other more established PGs. He got better when he got to Dallas and was totally unleashed when he got with D'Antoni in Phoenix. I think the knock on Nash was the pure fact that he was waaay ahead of his time. His abilities just wasn't appreciated fully during his first few years in the league but when he was given the chance, he took the chance. Also his style just aged better with the league. He was in his mid-30s with Phoenix and was still contributing greatly to winning records and long runs in the Playoffs which is something I can't say for AI
@@Wolvie12100 That argument can be made about a lot of great players. Kobe was held back and buried on the Lakers bench by Del Harris. He is still number 1 on any list. That is not an excuse. The fact is, Iverson was better... 4x scoring champion, 7x All-NBA attests to this. I doubt you will find many basketball fans who think Nash had a better career than AI.
@@Wolvie12100 gtfoh Nash didn't become great until the rules changed to a European style. Take y'all asses back to hockey yall made basketball even softer
And never cared about winning
Had to stop after 5 minutes..you know how many Billy King teams Iverson had to slog through?
AI was playing with the same level of talent squads Kobe was missing the playoffs with
Nas Holston Kobe was in the WEST.
@@nasholston5112 Kobe would have made it in the east too though.
@@austin78993 Wasn't talking about Kobe lol. He's far and away #1 its not even a question.
Oh wait y'all don't know what I'm referring to. I'm talking about AI and Kobe from about 05-07. They both put up huge numbers on shitty teams and didnt make the playoffs. I'm not arguing that Kobe is not better than AI. Thats a stupid argument. I'm saying they criticized Iverson for not winning with no talent and I wanted to point out what happened to Kobe with no talent
This Iverson slander is out of control. All of y’all would’ve been fired as GMs long before Nash was anywhere near MVP level.
Omaar Poitevien frfr they just talking, Iverson come in averaging 24 😂
Wesley Bright meanwhile Nash never averaged over 18 ppg once his entire career smfh.
Leo Kizzo because he wasn’t just a scorer 😂
And Nash’s defense was dog 💩 compared to AI’s
KD’s Burner I Mean they both weren’t good defenders AI is just a better team defender
I’m convinced Ryen hates the Celtics. How do you pick Marcus Camby in the redraft? I’d go Wallace,Marbury and especially Stojakovich over him
Jordan Davis Ryen is just convinced they need to upgrade from theis and kanter
Would have still been better than Antoine Walker
@@DTwoHS Would it have been?
@@yeetmeat7837 Even from 24 years ago😂
Boston had Wallace out of that draft. He tried out for them but got cut. 1996 Wallace was just a skinny swingman who couldn't shoot. Nobody wanted him until he started talking *ahem* vitamins. And every team got better when they got rid of Marbury.
The entire Sixers roster was hurt vs Milwaukee and they still lost. So how were they better?
Are you kidding me? It's pretty much been proven that series was fixed. Along with Sacramento getting screwed in 2002.
Zach V that’s bs. If Milwaukee couldn’t win a “fixed” series when Iverson could barely walk, they didn’t deserve to win.
@@here4boxing oh your one of those people who didn't watch the series.. How about the bucks receiving 5 flagrant fouls to Sixers 0. Twelve technical fouls! Scott Williams being suspended for a game seven in the ecf. Milwaukee had no post defense! It wasn't rigged, but you sure as hell got help from the nba. Plus mutombo was great in that series and Aaron McCie was defensive player of the year. Wish I lived in the narrative you believed in when everything is so simple.
Michael Rohde Iverson could barely walk by game 7. Scott Williams wasn’t the x-factor in the series. Milwaukee as a team had horrible shot selection. They blew it themselves.
That why iverson was the second best player and would be picked second in this draft put hem on his back and won over Allen and company and Nash didnt make the final ever I watch the games and iverson was one of a kind
I remember a young Ray Allen absolutely torching my Jazz in the playoffs. Like, we couldn't stop him from doing ANYTHING. The only other player that I remember feeling so helpless against was MJ.
When was this? When ray allen was 30?
It wasn’t the playoffs but I’m guessing it was when he dropped 47 with Milwaukee or his 54 with Seattle
Thank you! No new games is miserable. You guys talking ball is like methadone for my NBA withdrawal.
Iverson took a bunch of role players to the Finals and even got a game on a vaunted Lakers team. Nash played with elite players his whole career and never even made it to the Finals. Ray Allen did nothing of note as the leader of a team. The Iverson disrespect is funny, and typically comes from guys who can't dribble a basketball.
Nash would've made the finals multiple times if his Suns were in the East
Voltaire fool🤣
It's cute you think Iverson took Philly to the finals in everyone. Everyone knows the NBA finals was really the western conference for the majority of the decade, especially from 00 to 03.
@@Hidden_Seeker_ Yeah, sometimes the Finals appearance comparison isn't an even one.
@@josephjohnroe3678 yet during THE FINALS the REAL one
Lakers lost their only game
While they swept the entirety of the west where according to you there was the ReAl FiNaLs
Ben Wallace disrespect is unreal. MARCUS CAMBY over him? Sure, his prime was pretty short, but in that short prime HE HAD 4 DPOYS. That’s an nba record! Plus, he had more career blocks than fouls. The offensive play was an issue but I’m sure if he was asked to learn how to shoot corner 3’s (Bruce Bowen style) he could do it
He was fucking terrible on offense, he's basically DeAndre Jordan on an insanely defensively good Pistons team that played the slowest, most painful to watch basketball.
There is a player in this draft who had the following run over a 5 year span:
- was the best player on an NBA champion (1x)
- all NBA second team (4x)
- all nba defensive first team (5x)
- defensive player of the year (4x)
He was taken 7th in this redraft, behind Marcus Camby
The disrespect towards Ben Wallace and defensive players in general is out of hand. Wallace was the anchor of the best defensive team in the league and his team won 50+ games each year during this stretch. He won 50 games in Detroit before Billups or Rip showed up. Ben Wallace was the guy. People had the nerve to question whether he is a hall of famer. Despite having a shorter prime, Ben still managed to earn more individual and team accolades than the majority of "STAR" players do in their entire careers. The majority of players on max contracts in todays NBA can't hold a candle to Ben Wallace and his resume. This is a top 3 defender of all time who had all the accolades to prove it. You can't say his defense is less valuable than a traditional star player. But Wallace won a championship this way with his defense at the core of it. This man had a legendary career and people ignore it because he wasn't scoring 17 points a night.
Most star players in this league wish they could have the kind of inidivual and team success Ben Wallace did - and even when they retire, they still won't stack up.
Are you guys still doing the Rewatchables of classic games? I loved that and I love this as well
Where do you watch them?
@@Jose-lf1gs Type in " Bill Simmons Rewatchables NBA"
@@emmanuelmoses7249 Thanks
@@Jose-lf1gs 💯💯
Steve Nash played with Dirk Nowitzki, Michael Finley, Amare Stoudamire, Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson, Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard and never sniffed the NBA Finals while Allen Iverson took Eric Snow and Aaron McKie to the Finals.
Would love to hear the discussion of the impact of the coaches with the players at that draft time.
"This isn't an anti-Iverson thing, this is strictly he didn't care about winning." - this would be an example of a praise/stab thing that main-stream media has perfected. I am absolutely sure that he did care about winning more than anything. He just did in a way a soldier would, not a general.
The NBA wanted Iverson in that 2001 Finals.
Disagree. If Iverson cared "in a soldier" way, he would have taken better care of his body. And yes, he would have *practiced* more, and expanded his offensive capabilities.
There's a reason that he was out of the league as soon as it became apparent to everyone that his body was giving in to age.
Outrageous.
I doubt any player of the era would agree, including Nash himself.
Allen over Iverson is just hilariously bad
Daniel Galea yeah I think that top 5 should go kobe, AI, Nash, Allen, and then Jermaine O’Neal tbh should be 5. I think he’s very underrated
ray allen had a way better career and proved he could still be the #1 option on multiple occasions lol
What point about the Allen vs AI argument do you disagree with or are you saying that because you like how AI would cross people in the regular season? lol. AI was a better Kyrie (not that much better btw) which isn't a knock, both great players but they can't win as the best player on a team. Ray got 2 rings, and they needed him in both to win it.
Only if you're into style. If you're into having a great team, Nash is slightly superior
@@sebastian597 The point that Iverson was a clearly better player. He was a better scorer by a significant distance... And didn't his team get to the finals, at Rays expense?
49:30 "That'll be like the Tom Brady Bucs jersey." "You think he's gonna play one game?"
3 of the top 10 shooting guards of all-time in a single draft - pretty awesome.
I got Kobe at #2, Iverson at #5, Ray Allen at #9
I think the controversy with this sg list is from 3-5. I'm taking Wade at 3 all day
3:30 the same TMac who kept losing in the 1st round. I like Tmac by the way but the AI hate is beyond stupid
You think AI better than Tmac?
Fuck yes AI is better then T Mac. T Mac shouldn’t even be in the HOF. He never got out the first round of the playoffs are you kidding me
@@swizzy215 Holy shit you're living proof that NBA fans don't watch games.
@@swizzy215 T Mac never played on a team that was good enough to make the finals. You can't make the finals on your own.
@@justaloe we make a ton of excuses. Idc about talent, I saw T Mac play too much in my life. At the end of the day results matter. T Mac if he is the caliber player you all claim he is or rather the NBA HOF claims he is should have seen the 2nd round of an NBA playoff once. I’m not asking for a finals appearance or even conference final. Just the second round. Now if that’s too much to ask especially when he had Yao Ming then I apologize my expectations are too high 😂
NBA basketball was beautiful from 1986 to 2014
What happened?
The disrespect on AI smh
What's up with Bill Simmons and Ryen disrespecting Iverson like that?
They sound racist. And I'm a white guy. But there is no way in hell that nash is picked before Iverson
Wtf?? Now they saving Ray Allen over Iverson!!!! Wtf
@Don Cornelius huh? but he made them good enough to get to the finals. Nash couldn't do that and had a way better team. So did nash make his team that much better?
@Don Cornelius yeah I'm a idiot for thinking 2 middle age white males would be bias towards a guy like Iverson. Lol when clearly Iverson was the better player
Guys, Iverson was a league MVP and took a game from the greatest playoff team in NBA history...on the road. He has the second or third highest PPG in playoff history. He actually made the Finals as a lead man, unlike Nash and Allen. 33.0 ppg as his career high and had a 10-year prime. AI is going second. And, when they picked up Mutombo, the team’s defensive rating when down.
The problem is the results. It's all self glossing. Only 1 playoff run in his entire career, his shit just didn't result in team success outside of that 1 run. That's the problem with AI. Reminds me of Westbrook's career. 1 Finals run, rest is all self glossing. Shout out Jim Rome.
You are cherry picking, Nash took a 29 win team to 62 wins, went deep in the playoffs way more times than Iverson in a way tougher conference. Iverson had one great year that people remember. Nash played 10 years longer in the league. Iverson rode the bench by 30.
@@cybersub4693 Westbrook's career is drastically different my misinformed friend, he started out in the league with KD and Harden starting out, then played with paul george, now lebron, he has never been the leader of a team, stop it man
@@ceceroxy2227 maybe the conference wasnt as tough as the hype makes it seem
You don’t take Ray Allen over A.I. You have to build really well around Ray Allen to have success, which the Bucks did in ‘01, but that was the only time they had major playoff success during his Bucks era. His 5 years with Sonics he only made the playoffs once until they shopped him to the Celtics. I get their points, but I think they were too hard on Iverson
I was pained a little every time Bill said "The Melee" while referring to the Malice as the Palace
the Iverson disrespect is a joke on here
I mean it’s the truth lol. He wasn’t a high impact player. Why did he go to Denver and win only 50 games?
@@user-bq3hq6yg3y you expect an impact to be immediate? lol the big 3 in miami with bron wade and bosh didnt even win on their first try, and that is 3 allstars, so that's a moot point
I don't think you guys did it based on these teams 96 rosters cuz I dont see Minnesota drafting Jermaine Oneal to pair with KG
This is a fantastic idea ... I was sceptic going in but I think you approached and executed perfectly. Great stuff!
Iverson never got the 50/50 calls from the refs. They hated him and cost him at least an extra 4pts/game from not calling fouls
Go watch the 01 ECF and say that with a straight face
@@theeggreat4 Revisionist historians all over RUclips. 20 years from now them kids will tell us that Harden got no respect from the refs
@@theeggreat4 go look it up. Even a referee admitted they don't like him that's why the calls never go his way. I admit, that series against the bucks was questionable in their favor but that was 1 series against a whole lot of games throughout his career
Abdur-Rahim had two memorable game winners. A buzzer beater against MJ's Wizards. And one against the Celtics. The poor guy was double teamed like crazy on Vancouver and had no support.
Agreed, well said!
AI at 4???
Camby at 6???? Marbury, peja and walker that's crazy
Big Ben was better than camby literally in every way besides scoring and its not by a lot
Was he? Wallace wasn't asked to do anything other then play D and rebound. Camby was a phenomenal dedender and you could ryn offense through as a passer. People cringed when Wallace touched the ball.
@@josephjohnroe3678 we didn't cringe, we held our breath and prayed! Though I'd rather have a 4 time DPOY on my team anchoring the defense
Bring back VanCity
Talk about ahead of their time, the league was about 20 years too early on putting a team there.
@@Benjofresh I guess I agree with that I think they just didnt have the right scouting capacity compared to the raptors and didnt get lucky at the draft. They had bust after bust and that led to not having a big 3 to market around like the raps did.
@@Benjofresh Disagree. They still averaged roughly 15,000 fans for the worst professional sports team in a 5-6 year span. Drafting Steve Francis was a huge mistake who openly said he didn't want to play in Canada (same thing that still happens to Toronto). While Lamar Odom and Richard Hamilton said they did want to play for Vancouver. The biggest mistake was not taking a gamble on Steve Nash (who grew up in Victoria, BC). If Vancouver sticks around another year and some how gets Yao Ming they would have a guaranteed sell out every home game with their heavy Asian population.
man it sucks looking back we had a chance to pick Nash, if they did we’d prolly still have a team today imo
This is a great draft, personally I'd take Iverson and have him exclusively be a shooting guard and find a better point guard.
He kind of was... I mean he handled the ball a lot for sure but he usually played with a PG... The finals run for instance. Eric Snow.
Lowry is the best charge taker in the league, maybe of all time. Almost all are not flops so idk what Russillo is watching.
Celtics bias
Are u fuking kidding me?
Lowry is a fukin scrub. When your game consists of 75% flopping and manipulating the refs, how can anyone respect this guy.
@@adelinesarkissian8161 New to watching basketball I see.
Bill Simmons is the king of back-handed compliments.
Iverson 4th is the craziest shit ever dawg. It’s Kobe 1. Then Iverson
Iverson = Cam Newton... Short Primes. Inefficient freak athletes that had to be adapted to in order to work. Plus all the injuries trouble they both were riddled with.
Jacob Johnson iverson had way more heart then cam and could put a team on his back
Iverson would have dove on that ball in SB 50.
@@hailmary7283 - I think I would take Allen and Nash over Iverson to build a franchise around (especially in today's game), but I absolutely agree with you - nobody had more heart than Iverson, and I think Iverson would have won that fumble in SB50... even the big dudes in the NBA were afraid of Iverson.
@@nickforster9 Nah Nash and Allen never won anything as the guy.
"inefficient" i would offer you the opportunity to show me who he was inefficient compared to, I can only find jordan that shot as much and had as high or higher of a fg%
Can't forget about Tony Delk. 53 points as a career high.
I love Iverson.
Can't wait for the 01 draft its deep when you have multiple all stars in the first round and the best guy at his peak was picked in the 2nd round ... plus multiple all stars in the 2nd round
wouldnt the grizzlies want to be selling jerseys as opposed to winning?
Man it ain’t no way these dudes took ray allen over Iverson it you take both their peek for 10 years it’s AI .. ray allen 2 time all nba 2nd and 3rd team vs AI
7 time all nba 3 1st teams 3 2nd teams and 1 3rd this ain’t even that close
Barkey thought they were drafting best all-star game players....he literally says it in that video, obviously a mistake but damn this Iverson negativity is killing this redraft. Iverson is a pound for pound great, just listen to what other NBA greats say about him...smh...
@Don Cornelius you don't know much basketball bud, probably a bandwagon golden state fanboy smh
Dikembe was 34 years old... Put Iverson on a team with a legit 2 way big man, then what happens?
facts
I’m starting to look forward to these two talking about old sports. Somethings wrong or very right. Keep it going guys.
Never Nash over Iverson. When did Nash make the Finals? I like Nash, but until Dantoni he was maybe a 2-4 year All Star and that’s it. Iverson was 6 ft tall ballin’ 40+ minutes and never really had a number 2 scorer. He challenged every big man. AND he changed the game and the appreciation for black athletes to be accepted for who they are and where their from.
I was finally waiting for someone to say that! This is exactly why people treasure Allen Iverson far more than any other player in the draft aside from Kobe. Or maybe even more than him, because being born and raised in the same state as him, I don’t know too many players from that area that would’ve made it and then impacted the NBA like he did. He’s a cultural icon and people seem to dismiss that notion
The iverson hate is strong on this one
Bill, can you do a podcast of players that was drafted or played for the wrong team that stunted his potential
Darko ,Kwambe Brown, would have been better if drafted by the Spurs. Larry Brown never developed any young players. And Michael Jordan Picks never become what they should have been.
That 2004 detroit is the best defensive team i ever saw. 2gether with 96 bulls
As a Pacers fan, I have a clear memory of the teams that were contending then, and Philly only made one "run", but they were a concern for east teams for most of those years, teams like the Pacers and Detroit were just a little better, and we had lots of great players, philly just had AI
Thank you! A team led by A.I. was always feared because you didn’t know if he was about to go off for 40+. A team led by Ray Allen…can’t find that example.
Shareef was what I called "the best player you've never heard of".
I take him over Wallace and Camby. Dude was a beast on offense. His game was a lot like Jermaine ONeal’s on offense.
My 96 redraft is:
1 - Kobe Bryant
2 - Allen Iverson
3 - Steve Nash
4 - Ray Allen
5 - Jermaine O'Neal
6 - Peja Stojakovic
7 - Ben Wallace
8 - Marcus Camby
9 - Antoine Walker
10 - Stephon Marbury
11 - Shareef Abdur-Rahim
12 - Zydrunas Ilgauskas
13 - Derek Fisher
14 - Kerry Kittles
Agreed. No argument from me except maybe Camby over Walker.
@@petermadash4488 I mean it's not a huge difference to me between those 2
@@diogocosta1305 Camby didn't do his potential justice in the NBA. At least Toine did and won a chip in the process.
@@petermadash4488 yeah true, partly due to the era they played in and the teams they were on... Camby would probably stretch out to the 3 point line in this era, coupling that with his defensive ability and you would have a problem
Why are u roasting Lowry he does what it takes to win😂
at the 49:50 mark the Brady comment "whats he going to play one game" , oh so good.
They did Peja dirty... Too low!
"Sneaky ring, did he play?"
He was a difference maker!!
Peja used to disappear with the Kings and hornets/ pelicans and even with the Mavs from time to time. When it was up to Peja to take you home it was always a bit uncomfortable
Chuck chose Iverson in his first pick because he thought this is an all star game thing where Iverson would dominate.
Would that be a logical reason if it was All Star Game?
Jermaine O'Neal ahead of Ben Wallace and Peja. No way.
Debatable. He was a much better offensive talent than Wallace and U wouldn’t lose much defensively. Plus it took Ben a while to get going. Peja maybe.
Picking Camby over Wallace is maybe the worst thing I’ve ever seen
Camby shouldn’t even be in the same conversation as Wallace or Peja
Game 1 2001 NBA Finals, Iverson carried that Philly team against Kobe and Shaq with 51. He should get drafted before Ray Allen.
Your Ray Allen over Iverson take is ridiculous. I lived through this, Ray was best as a third wheel. AI can carry a team on his back for a decade.
Acting like Steve Nash didn’t have better teammates than Iverson in philly, get real
It’s wrong to say that Iverson didn’t want to win. He put so much effort into winning, he just didn’t know how to on the offensive side. But look at his Defense. The dude wanted to win.
The dudes getting angry about Russillo and Simmons putting Nash above AI really don't understand basketball. And I say this as a lifelong Sixers fan who loved watching AI in his prime.
Iver son had much less help than Nash. Compare Dikembe to Amare? Amare was much better overall,
. Nash teammates were far better (Matrix, Q, Joe Johnson). Can’t get to the finals and say that he didn’t care about winning. Nash never made it to finals so does he not care about winning?
I guess their point is Nash made numerous playoff runs where for prime AI this was really the only deep run he had despite playing in the east
@@omsrivastava2297 so AI wouldnt do good in the west with a dirk or amare?
Jermaine wasn’t better than Artest, O’Neal was straight up shooting 43% from 2, he was the least efficient player in the nba.
Bs picking Nash. Nash only played well in one system. Moreover, Kidd made more threes. That's like saying Kidd is better at triple doubles and Nash got more triple doubles. SMH you keep pushing the BD overrated hype. Kidd won in the west with the same players Nash had.
kalinwang1 facts. And Nash might’ve had better teammates
Definitely not the same team for when Nash was in Dallas 🤦♂️.
@@blowc1612 so you are saying nash could have guarded Kobe, Westbrook, Durant, Harden, Wade, and lebron while JJ baretta and Jason Terry was on the floor??? In other words, are you saying Nash would have lead that team to a championship in place of Kidd? Wakeup, that team was possible because Kidd was a big PG that played great defense at three positions. No way jj baretta and Terry could have been out there with Nash running the point. SMH. Plus Dirk was MVP caliber with Nash and his team immediately got better when Nash left.
kalinwang1 That’s why Cuban’s biggest regret is letting go of Nash? Where most people think if Dirk didn’t get hurt would had a chance to beat the Spurs. You’re only mentioning Barra and Kids?! Yet it was Marion who guarded Kobe in those series. 🤦♂️ they had Chandler anchoring the defense and Peja knew how to guard Kobe for years they were playing against each other. The 11 Mavs would have been a lot better with Nash. Nash was still playing well in those years. Nash just lead the Suns prior that to the WCF when they faced the better version of the Lakers. Definitely the 11 Mavs would have been better. Stop talking like the Thunders were any good back then. They were a team that was still you and would easily get beat by experience alone.
@@blowc1612 You lost your mind. There were times when Terry, Berea and Kidd we're all on the floor. You obviously didn't watch Kidd play defense at three positions to make that possible. Dirk doesn't play defense, Nash doesn't , terry doesn't, JJ baretta doesn't. Lol you are crazy. Dirk said so himself, the team doesn't work without Kidd. Nash would have not been able to do anything with that team. He played with better defenders. Nash had all star prime Marion. Would have been the same result. Kidd was hitting 3s over 40% getting 8 APG, 7 RPG, 2 SPG and played defense at three positions. Kidd was the last all star Dirk played with. Nash wouldn't have added anything. Assist is the same (i still give Kidd an edge), 3 point shooting was the same, kidd was a 40% shooter at a high clip. The big difference is with the rebounds and defense. No way Nash would have guarded lebron, wade, Kobe, Durant, Westbrook and harden. Wakeup Kidd was the best decision Cuban made. We all know this. That thunder team that lost to us in the western conference finals went to the nba finals the very next year. You lost all credibility if you say they weren't any good.
Bonus Jonas!??! -That's a deep cut!
Also, do a rewatchable of the Pats/Falcons SB.
Have Bill Burr on the Podcast as well to "assist".
EDIT: Let me rephrase...please do a podcast/rewatchable of the Pats/Falcons SB. Didn't mean to sound so demanding.
just imagine if the Wolves had just kept Ray Allen and teamed him up with Garnett. Big all time “what if”
Doesn't it seem like Simmons argument against any person or team starts with " imagine if they would of lost" or " they should of lost that game" .
Love this concept!
I don't love the execution....wright not making the list is a crime...r.i.p....dickerson just didn't have a career to speak of he was a garbage time all star getting stats in blowout losses playing 39 minutes when he was a 28 minute player max... and he had injuries..wright aleast contributed to playoff teams...
how are you gonna talk about ray allen being a safer bet at winning a title when he was in seattle he made the playoffs one time as the best player?
I would take AI at 2, but Bill's argument is that Ray had more longevity and could complement other stars/players better.
You probably can’t win a title with either guy as the number 1, but Iverson can’t be a number 2 or 3 option. He can’t defend and he can’t play off ball. I have no problem having Iverson 4th.
JoJoe Mojo i’m not here saying it’s his fault they didn’t make the playoffs those years, we all know ray was amazing. i don’t even really have a problem with a.i at 4 just the reasoning didn’t make the much sense.
This is a fantastic idea, great stuff guys
I think there's an expectation that the number 1 pick should instantly go into your starting lineup and be the number one or two on the team. I don't think 18 year old Kobe could have done that.
It is based on hindsight... that is, knowing what you know now about all the players, no GM would pick anybody over Kobe. There were many team officials around the NBA at the time, particularly the New Jersey Nets who wanted Kobe but could not pick him due to the narrative around high school players. People were scared for their jobs.
If you look at what was on Philadelphia's roster at the time, Kobe absolutely could have started on that team.
Didn't Kobe make the all star team at 18?
@@jordan12118 He was 19. He made the All Star team in his second year. Won the slam dunk contest his rookie year.
Kobe could have played anywhere his rookie year. The coach just didn't like playing rookies.
If you watch Rusty Buckets video on Why AI is Overrated you will quickly learn the main reason he averaged that many points in the first place is because he nearly played a full game every season. Seriously his overall minutes were ridiculous. I seriously don't know how he kept it up for long without been psysically, emotionally and mentally exhausted come the playoffs.
rusty buckets is a hypocrit, he's a bonafide kobe fanboy
This has to be the deepest best draft ever, right?
Peja at 8? That's so deep it's ridiculous
The thing about Iverson was he probably had more raw talent than Kobe, Nash or Allen. But he didn’t have their commitment to work on their craft. Prime AI was as good, if not better, than theirs, but while the other 3 were able to be effective later in their careers because they took care of themselves, AI fell off a cliff. Still, he revolutionized the game. We wouldn’t have guys like Steph Curry, Lillard and Westbrook if it wasn’t for AI.
I love AI, but he was the smallest great player of all time. That doesn't necessarily translate well into consistent NBA success. He dragged the Sixers into the Finals and even won Game 1, but really never had a chance against the Shaq-Kobe Lakers, who went 15-1 in the playoffs and were loaded with long, smart players, except D. Fish and Ty Lue, who weren't big, but still had great basketball IQ, especially on that team.
Put Ray Allen instead of Iverson on the 2001 sixers team that made the finals, and the Bucks would have made the finals led by Allen Iverson
Just look at Iverson playoff performances! 40 and 50 hurt asf getting beat up! Bucks had a big 3 and the sixers had AI!
Better ReDraft
Kobe?
Allen/Iverson?/Nash?
O’Neal?Stojakovic
Marbury?
Camry/Wallace
Ilgauskas?
Walker/Abdul-Rahim
Kittles
Fisher
Wright/Dampier
Honorable Mentions
McInnis
Delk
Anderson
McCarty-Stretch big
Rose
Marbury eating Vaseline on RUclips 😂😂😂
if i stick my earbuds up my nose will the noise then come out my mouth? like turn my mouth into an amphitheater? and if i then shut my mouth does that turn off the sound?
It’s crazy how y’all downplaying Iverson position but all these things you’re saying he should be drafted higher. Steve Nash never even played in the finals and he played with dirk. And the suns
He was competing with kobe and Shaquille and the spurs. Kinda tough to make the finals
@NOLAY AUSTIN Hell nah
@jtreynol Nash is better than ray allen.