"Married to a jerk disorder". A friend of mine had that. Quite a severe case, too. With her, it was comorbid with married to someone who throws objects at ones head disorder. She first tried managing it by this technique called staying with a friend, but was *completely cured* after they tried divorce therapy. On a more serious note: it's really hard to think that a counselor would actually make up a diagnosis like "major compression disorder" or "avoid bee personality disorder" and could still take themselves seriously as a practitioner. It's almost sort of impressive. Or rather: compressive, I guess. This was a great video and I love your dry sense of humor. There are however two points on which I respectfully disagree with you. First of all, I DO believe that love is the answer. Love for humanity, love for helping people in need, love for science, love for _evidence-based_ treatment, etc. Secondly: someone who has "energy field disruption disorder" doesn't need an electrician, they'd need a woo practitioner, STAT. Obviously ;-)
As a victim of an "unhappy counsellor" thank you for addressing this issue. My psychologist could not implement healthy boundaries, at best had only cognitive empathy and felt that he was superior to all the other counsellors, doctors etc ... he was a dangerous man that devastated my life. He took advantage of me by developing a personal relationship with me and then horrifically abusing me. Fortunately is deregistered now... but the damage is done, and he, scarily, has tried to continue to "cousel" through other avenues. He is in yet another relationship with an ex-client, the third I am aware of since me, heaven knows how many there have been! There are many wonderful and highly professional counsellors, but thank you Dr Grande for highlighting the fact, that like in all professions, there are people who cross the line, they exist, they are dangerous and just shouldn't be there!!! "Buyer beware"!!!
@@lindy6094 I am glad you were able to escape this person... it is hard for those who have not been through the experience to believe that this can occur, especially when the perpetrator is practicing in a "caring profession". Your experience sounds very similar, even though we are on opposite sides of the world... mine had dysfunctional and abusive family, wouldn't network with his peers and was very dismissive of them in general, wouldn't see anyone for HIS psychological issues... and EVERYTHING was ALWAYS someone elses fault, BUT was incredibly charming to his (primarily single mother) clientele ! I still have people telling me what a wonderful person my former psychologist/ex-partner/abuser still is!!! I don't engage anymore as they don't want to hear the truth... even though I have the hospital and medical records that atest otherwise (broken arm, 2 broken fingers, broken nose, multiple black eyes, bruising etc etc etc). This guy controlled me, impacted my relationship with my kids, extorted money from me and NEARLY cost me my sanity!!!! It was a very costly life lesson, but like you, one I will NEVER make again!!!
@@brusselsprout5851 you are so right... they have many people "on the boil" to meet their various needs and incase one isn't providing enough "supply". A while after the honeymoon phase I discovered mine was "grooming" other female clients... he was, and still is, a total covert narcissist!! Just a deregistered one... but that doesn't stop him still reaching out to former clients!!! So wrong!!😡
@@india239 I am very sorry to hear that you have been through this too. I hope you have been able to receive help from a reputable clinician... they are out there, and have been a great help in my own recovery from a horrific experience. Please know recovery is definitely possible... and life can be good once again!!😉💖
Haha, part with a need for an electrician and diagnosing BPD clients as somebody 'who does not like borders' are my favorite today, Dr. Grande you are so very polite to call them 'unhappy counselors.' They are just idiots. I know you can't say that, but I can. OMG, this is so funny and scary same time.
Dr. Grande, I was laughing all the way through this. You should have titled this one, "Incompetent Counselors." If they are defining things like Borderline as "People who don't understand about borders" any patient is in real trouble going to somebody that clueless. And minimizing Schizophrenia? Clearly the so called counselor is in the wrong profession. Not sure how much of a Renegade. But maybe a Grandiose Narcissist. Terrible to think they have licenses to practice Psychology. How did that happen?
I feel like this issue is a lack of education and a case of huge ego in that they aren’t willing to refer when the clients issues are beyond their skill set.
I don't agree on that. You can meet people that has a minimum of education and still be very good counselors. The worst I've ever met was a female psychiatrist (a doctor), cold as ice, this was in 1980. The best I've met was a female psychology nurse. Not just education but how they work with you and how they think. And how they care.
It is interesting, is it really a lack of education? I think the ego thing is more pronounced. I say this because you might have a great education but your ego alters your perspective so that education might not be so useful. What about the temporal issue? Am I still educated after 30 years out of an educational context? I mean I have a degree but don't remember anything of it... Is it really about remember the specifics or are the specifics a necessary "evil" for bigger picture learning? I guess my point is that I don't believe we know what we mean by educated, I think the way you perceive the environmental inputs is far more important because you can justify anything if you try hard enough regardless of whether you are right or wrong.
This is the reason, i'm not in therapy today. There are people, who asking for mental help, but they take the risk, the disease can get more worse, with their treatment. Shit isn't funny and can't just get removed. And you have no prove, not to yourself or to anybody😐 with an avoidant personality, i constantly focus, what are peoples intentions, also with a therapists. So what we all need would be to have our "personal own Dr. Grande" 😅 I know, it would change a lots of people's mind👆💚 thank you so much, for sharing your thoughts 🙏
"...is not a counsellor who *literally* wants to blow up the system, although, maybe that's the case some of the time..." 30 sec in and I'm already laughing 😂 I wonder if the force field disorder one had to do with auras or chakras or vibrations or something. Although, I like your Star Trek theory better. Interesting video!
I would wonder that too. I had to study PLENTY to get through graduate school and then AGAIN to get through the licensure exam!!! so how does this happen?? 8-/?
Same way as any other person going through a training course/any course for that matter. It is not particularly hard to get into the swing of it and essentially "know what they are looking for". Another option is the counsellor has changed their mind after the fact. Perhaps it can also be malicious, "join the system to destroy it" kind of thing. In the end, examinaers and supervisors see so many people that it is quite easy to pretend. One thing is for sure, Humans are really good at pretending, there is nothing particularly special about any field whatsoever apart from how interesting it is to you, most are capable of learning anything given enough time, the difficult part is staying motivated despite the boredom (at least for me). Of course there is more to it than this but I think this is an interesting point.
Thats why I dont believe in paying a lot of money for these types of services, many are not qualified and have no business charging money for anything.
@@tonifelise6297 This immediately brought to mind the analogy of people who spend thousands on dog "breeds" that aren't recognized. Sure it'll probably make a great pet, but there's nothing behind that price tag except a fancy name.
What counselor doesn't want to blow up the system every so often? Applying rigid standards to dynamic individuals is always going to be a problem for people who are charged with caring for the mental health and wellbeing of others.
That analogy you used between "compression disorder" and a combustible engine was smooth. I kinda wanted to just know about engines at that point. But on this topic, I had a counselor become really aggressive towards me after finding out my disorder. First time ever meeting, had no reason to treat me that way. And after being a dick for 45 minutes, he said that could "Just leave if u want to" and so I did. Left a bad taste in my mouth and deterred me from help for a few yrs.
Thank you for addressing the energy field disruption. When I was in nursing school, this was added to the list of nursing diagnoses and I remember thinking WTF? Maybe I should have asked for a consult from the engineering dept. to evaluate all my patients. 🙄. Also, maybe the reason the idea of the border wall is so popular to some people is due to BPD?
Excellent. Thank you for addressing this topic, Dr.Grande. Some unhappy counsellors can be very exploitative and do great damage to their patient’s mental health.
Based upon my experience in the mental health field, your collection of observations about these kinds of counselors is evidence based and coherent. I observed many of the same incompetencies. Clients who are treated by this sort of counselor are in effect, cheated out of competent treatment.
It's one thing for therapists to work across disciplines (in which they are trained/experienced) in their work. [I actually practice across a couple of disciplines.] Don't forget that many approaches that are neither talk therapy nor use the scientific method can be very helpful in helping people move through challenges! That said, I am astounded that people who have graduated high school (never mind those with advanced degrees in counseling) actually don't know the everyday English definition of "histrionic", or what "borderline" refers to, in this context. I also am aware that some flexibility can be helpful with different clients who have different needs, in different kinds of intervention practice. However, I would expect people to enter training with the idea that clients just need friends, love, and care -- not to still hold this perspective while working in ANY helping capacity! I found this helpful -- and quite disturbing. It might explain, though, why so many (former) clients come with horror stories about mental health (and other varieties of helping) practitioners...? Yikes.
Alternative therapies can be evaluated just as well with the scientific method. A therapy might be considered ineffective because it was found to only work for 10% of patients. It doesn't mean it didn't work for those 10%, it means there's probably a better tool, or the tool can be improved.
Dr. Grande is so serious, he’s having the slightest smirk that almost came out as a smile. Do you ever smile Dr. Grande? This topic is hilarious and sad!!!
I agree "married to a jerk disorder" is not a diagnosis but it is better than giving a false diagnosis to just get paid by an insurance carrier. The system is flawed. Maybe not so much on the practitioner side, it's just the system and how counselors get paid and jaded.
Brilliant topic with unbelievable examples, but I did had at least also some good laughs too 😁. Who knows some day there is a new kind of disorder in the DSM called UCPD; Unhappy Counselor Personality Disorder? Dr. Grande has at least already the list with symptoms. Thanks doc 😃🇳🇱
Dr. Grande could you please talk about clients becoming attached to a therapist? If a person had an unhealthy attachment style with their parents is it possible for them to form a healthy attachment to their therapist and if so what might the dangers of that be, and what could the client and the therapist do in such a case? Thanks!
Thanks for making this video. There's one guy on RUclips in particular who retired as a counselor many years ago and has made dozens of videos about why he believes the mental health field shouldn't even exist. Most memorable for me is when he stated that there shouldn't be specific people whose job it is to counsel people, but that everyone in society should take part in counseling each other. This totally avoids the rigorous training and ethical guidelines that licensed professionals attain and abide by. Before I started therapy about a year ago, I watched some of his videos and was convinced for about two years that I didn't need therapy and that it didn't really work. In my case, the renegade counselor did some real damage. I could have been working on healing and managing some of my issues years ago - I was in a vulnerable place and listened to this guy because he was well-spoken and used to be a therapist himself. It's a shame.
omg! I was literally laughing at some of this! I can't believe some people would actually write these or believe these disorders. Histrionic disorder made me laugh especially and also the compression being compared to car parts!
Very enlightening Dr. Grande. When I was a teen, I saw a counselor for a few sessions. In one of the sessions we literally just sat and stared at each other for 45 minutes. Every now and then he would behave as though he was about to say something. But then he didn't.
Just when I start to feel low about myself and my cognitive functioning, Dr. Grande comes to the rescue. Thank you for highlighting that I’m not yet a complete loss.
Oh wow! I can relate to this. When i started working i was kind of a rebel type of employee. It wasnt malicious, and i worked with cardboard boxes and chairs and stuff like that. Although there were very specific instructions and procedures in place i would always do something out of the box thinking it is more appropriate and better because it seemed more logical that way. I was at constant odds with my boss. And only one time out of twenty i proved my point. I found after years of learning that i was overly engaged, overly confident in my knowledge, not trusting the old system is efficient and productive, just short sighted and lacking deeper insights into why it is in place to begin with, i was not able to see the benefits of surrendering to guidance of less stress and less effort. Simply put i was immature and very inexperienced. I can see how difficult it must have been to work with me.. What every unorthodox therapist does but is not aware of is that they all take a prescribed medicine when they have a sore throat, yet somehow believe the good old medicine doesnt work as it is.. i would love to see their response when asked that question.. what do you do when you have a sore throat? ☺
One time a counselor said to me "well, EVERYBODY drinks coffee." He used that one-liner to dismiss all my ADHD symptoms. Then he told me I was just having trouble adjusting to being a new mom. I'm not sure how having a 10 month old today affected my behavior patterns ten years ago when I was in middle school. Anyway, that guy hit pretty much every red flag you outlined in your other video about bad counselors.
My ex was a mental health nurse. She used to say things like people find me difficult because I'm too nice. I realise that ment I'm a narc and you'll find out soon enough. Well she used to get real upset when someone in her field didnt do their job quickly enough or properly. I saw the damage she caused in my life. When I started seeing her a patient took his own life. She had six months sick leave. I believe my ex is borderline with added anxiety ect. Her narcissism was a defensive tactic that only caused more problems. I met 3 mental health nurses and two of them are cluster b. I studied hard and fast. Seeing this all close up and seeing how dangerously unable to do their jobs properly was a great concern to me. I saw no empathy at all. I just saw substance abuse. Arrogance and every other box ticked many times. How do the team leaders or bosses watch out for this behaviour In mental health. Who has the right to express concerns. I saw poor practise everywhere.
Hahaha - the "HPD - High Percentage Disorder" often occurs in people who work with media, I'm afraid (I am journalist myself and know what I'm talking about xD) 10:40
I know it wasn't the main topic of the video, but I really liked your distinction between managing and curing mental health disorders. My counselors framing things that way for me probably saved me from just cycling in and out of major depressive episodes indefinitely. I can't believe there are actually counselors out there who aren't able to see that distinction.
Very well thought out observations Dr. Grande. A much needed open discussion on this topic is important. Clients put faith into their counselors and unhappy counselors can lead them down an unstable path.
Dr. Grande, your comments remind me of the podcast the "Shrink Next Door" that was released a few months ago. Clearly this therapist crossed a lot of boundaries and embodies some of what you discuss in a very extreme way!
I love how he is trying to make sense of some of these things, I love this real dialogue ...people who chart such stupidity most likely to vent, I think that the electric one was referring to meridian. "Dramatic sweeping statements to prove the unproven / able ." That seems to be the best way to raise ones insurance rates.....
This is wonderful. Experience working with patient's and with other clinicians (nurses, psychiatrists, etc) as well as reading has helped me. If I were a prof, this would be mandated viewing.
I follow one counselor like that here on RUclips- Daniel Mackler. I like to hear both- the System and the Rebellions as well. On-time to time history shows that rebellions may offer a new effective perspective/resolution/solution /methods/ therapy .... to conditions/system/understanding/organization and so on...
This totally explains Dr shopping... Eventually you'll get the diagnosis you want if you try hard enough! As someone with mental health stuff I can understand wanting to finally have an answer, but these answers should have ppl losing their rights to counsel their clients, if you've got a client who just wants you to say something random like this there is likely a deeper issue they should be referred to a psychiatrist...
Dr. Grande- unrelated to your video, I was wondering if you could share your thoughts about Jennifer Yaniv (a so-called transgender activist in Canada), whose behavior has been regarded by many as attention-seeking, and possibly psychotic and delusional. She's ruffled a lot of feathers in the transgender community, and has alarmed a lot of people with his/her behavior, as many has deemed it predatory and using the "trans" as a guise" for access to young girls. There is also a strange dynamic with the mother if you watch recent news reporting videos online.
Those of us with mental illnesses could use friends because friends, among other things, are people to talk to about our lives. The counselor has the education to understand the troubles we are having making friends and help us make more friends. If they become our friends, that's just one friend. It's just like it being better to teach a person how to grow their own food instead of just giving them food.
I have to wonder how these people are working as counselors when they lack knowledge so severely. It's funny in a sense but more terrifying than anything to me.
First off, WOW @ some of the examples you gave, yet I believe it. I am not a counselor myself, but am someone who's been in different forms of counseling. I have been in counseling on and off (both forced in childhood by narcissistic 'Baby Boomer' generation parents), and on my own volition as an adult. I almost want to say (no, I *do* want to say) that I have gotten more from self-education and certain people's RUclips channels, yours included, that I have ever received in therapy. I am in therapy now, and specifically sought out a therapist who specializes in trauma and PTSD. The other day I tried (unsuccessfully, b/c I am still learning fully what it is) to explain what an emotional flashback was. I brought it up because I thought I had been in them recently, and was hoping her knowledge would exceed mine. Unfortunately this was not the case. She also had never heard of Complex or C-PTSD. From personal experience, I believe that something is lacking and there needs to be a huge shift in the education of therapists and those that get to become therapists. Initially, I thought your video was going to discuss therapists who are revolutionary in that they understand the mind/body connection, and certain very important issues like narcissistic abuse, and the stigmatization of drugs. I enjoyed it anyway, from the approach you came at it with. Again, WOW. I have been in a position on multiple occasions where I was teaching the therapist or psychiatrist about something, and was like "Wow, they should know this. I didn't come here to educate them on something like "cognitive dissonance" or "trauma bonding" or "an emotional flashback" .... Ugh
I love your videos, I’m so proud of your success. This video was very well done and it was quite funny when you explained the parroting. Could you please cover a topic on kleptomania, the ethics and in relation to bipolar disorder and borderline disorder. Also a little philosophical debate on theft from major corporations vs family and friends.
listening to you try to apply logic to "compression" disorder was delightful...like when my daughter and i play "suss out the etymology of fun new words."
One counselor (circa'09) asked me 'questions' (yes/no) and 'diagnosed' me with a number of personality and mood disorders. At our second meeting I noticed a DSM opened on the desk. He/she was 'diagnosing' straight from the book.
I haven't run into a counselor like the ones you talked about. For good or for bad I get seen in a Veterans Administration Hospital. Sometimes they change often. You see one for several months then without much warning you get a new one. Sometimes they are in training. The VA is more conservative on methods of care. And sometimes they research new methods. You sometimes don't know who or what you're going to get. Anyhoo, I would rather have what I've got than a unreliable provider/counselor.
when you mentioned that some counselors described borderline personality disorder as someone who disliked borders, like state borders, it made me chuckle. I like that we get a little more of your personality in this video!
Counselors who get in trouble are often those with long careers and no record of discipline and often have risen to the pinnacle of their careers and regard in their field. I wish there were more recent studies being conducted but at the height of these studies in the late 90's by Pope and et al, found that the middle aged therapist to be the most vulnerable to boundary break downs. I also think there is truth in the popular characterization of the therapist is working out their own stuff worth their clients.
Having a counselor who doesn’t believe in science or the scientific method is terrifying! How did they make it through school?! I believe the field of psychology has went to far in their labeling of disorders. As it stands there are very few people who don’t have a personality disorder per the current standards. That’s also terrifying!
I have bpd and I HATE standing in lines so maybe they're onto something. But all jokes aside, I'm pretty sure my first therapist was one of these. She was trying to cure me with "common sense". "You will feel better if you lose weight because women should be slim to attract a man". Really did wonders to my undiagnosed 21-year-old BPD -_-
@@RobespierreThePoof I have heard similar stories about psychiatrists from clients and have encountered some myself, not as a client but as a therapist. Luckily, I experienced mostly competent and professional providers as a client. I'm sorry to hear about your negative experience. Don't give up on community mental health. That's where I started. :)
Highkey this is a factor why I'm going into Psychology and Mental Health counseling. I seen 5 different people before I seen my current therapist, an all of them had some (if not all) of these prior to my current one. My current one looks into case studies and literature relating to all of their clients disorders, and does a lot of research even if she's familiar with it. I want to be someone who's reliable and well informed, and can help my clients with what's going on in their lives, but not give them a label like "Avoid Bee Disorder" (I think a majority of people would have that, stings hurt!)
I once had a therapist tell me that I had bipolar disorder because I had both anxiety and depression. This was after me telling her that I had issues with anxiety rather than depression. Her strategy for the rest of the session was to yell at me about how much of a failure I was in life and was always going to be if it didn't suck it up. Really makes you wonder how some of these people have licenses (she was an MFT).
I once saw a counsellor for 3 months when I was 21, nearly 22; And she said 'You want to be careful, you don't end up with a personality disorder'. I said 'I think I already have one'. I didn't actually know what a personality disorder was at the time, 10 years ago. Whether she was hinting that I already had one, not sure. But if she actually thought at nearly 22, I could miraculously develop one, she's a total idiot. 5/6 months later at 22, I began looking into personality disorders. And I diagnosed myself with Borderline Personality Disorder. I was officially diagnosed at 24. Question is, do I really have a personality disorder or did she just plant that in my mind? Yeah, I am certain that I am personality disordered and I am actually glad that she brought it to light. Is that unusual that I diagnosed myself specifically with Borderline Personality Disorder 2 years prior to an official diagnosis by a psychiatrist? Are Borderlines really that insightful? I also diagnosed myself with ASD Level 1 and was diagnosed by a psychologist just over a year later. I am hoping to study counselling myself.
Thankyou! Going to a counselor is like a box of chocolates.....hopefully these ones are a minority. Would you do a video on how a chronic decline in physical health can affect mental health?
IDK dr. Todd. I know there are a lot of bad counselors out there. I tend to think of them in two categories either the ultra grandiose or the non critical thinkers. The grandiose think that whatever they happened to think up on any given day is brilliant. They might have good ideas but they never think to get feedback from peers because they think that everything they think of is brilliant. And the non critical thinkers chose counseling because they didn't think that there's a need for logic or Reason in counseling and that is not their strong suit. I definitely agree with you that healthy boundaries are bare minimum. Also a trauma-informed approach in the sense approaching each new person as if they may have experienced trauma. I definitely think that the dunning-kruger effect is powerful in the counseling Arena since counseling is profession that people already think they know more about than they really do anyway due to the pop culture ideas of what a counselor is. I was inspired to become a counselor when I watched Ordinary People and Judd Hirsch playing the therapist to the Timothy Hutton character. Forgot about that for a long time but came back around to it in my thirties and did so. Of all the movie and TV portrayals I've seen of counselors though I have to say that was pretty decent. I'd love to hear your thoughts on good and bad portrayals of counselors psychologist or other mental health professional helpers in movies and television. Or of disorders portrayed well or poorly in movies or television. The Soloist I thought was excellent as a portrayal of a person with schizophrenia in a housing first program. That would make a cool topic I think for future videos.
So true, people who have a leg amputation, need a functioning titanium fully flexible artificial leg, people with mental disorders need adaptations that let them contribute to community, and guidance,... to live their best life.
Intense staring 🤣 I’ve had episodic depression and seen counselors a few times in my life, if they just stared at me I probably would’ve left feeling not only depressed but creeped out, definitely NOT an effective strategy in my estimation 🥴
@@attheranch873, oh sure, I like Dr Grande also. That's why I am here. Some of these "diagnoses" are really off the wall. I can just imagine the frustration of the counselor who wrote "married to a jerk" in the chart. 😀 Sometimes people have times in life that they just need a person to work it out with. They may have holes in their upbringing that makes seeing the forest for the trees difficult. In those times. IMO, it's travesty that a mental health practitioner is basically forced to come up with a diagnosis. That diagnosis can come back to haunt the patient in very negative ways..... it's a shame.
Have been dealing with unrelenting depression recently. I want you to know, I haven't laughed genuinely in months until hearing you say high percentage disorder. I snorted 😂😂
I do not believe for one second that Dr Grande has actually seen any of these “diagnoses” that he has “actually seen on charts” but I was still entertained so that’s cool.
Wow, those are some crazy examples O_O I've had a lot of bad experiences with psychologists but that's next level! x_x But that part about how a lot of disorders can't be cured, only managed - I wish I'd known that when I was younger going through treatment. Spent so much time wondering why I wasn't getting better, but I realise now that no one gave me those realistic expectations. Would have saved a lot of self doubt etc.
I know of a counselor who would sneak a client into the clinic to provide counseling services to them when the client fell between the cracks of not being poor enough and not having any money to receive treatment this was discovered and she was told she could be fired so she made other arrangements with her client welcome to the healthcare industry
I think there are issues within the mental health field..micro and macro. For me the hardest aspect has been wages for workers..often counselors are overworked and underpaid. I remember working at an agency where I did assessments..group therapy..supervision.. authorizations ..outpatient..Annual assessments..and reviewing notes and service plans from Bachelor level counselors. That was all my job duties in my role. Often the regular 9-5 was impossible to get it all done so I worked evenings as well for free. My annual income was 32,000 an year and no overtime. We didnt have sick or vacations days either.. I had a co-worker cry to me cause she couldn't afford Xmas presents for her kids and pay for daycare..this same counselor saw clients in this state. I was lucky cause my spouse earned a decent wage to support the family. I am also lucky to have my Master's..a Bachelor level counselor can make as low as 25,000 an year in my area. I have seen what low wages,being overworked and financial stress can do to counselors. Some counselors work multiple jobs to make ends meet- so your talking taking on more liability of clients' wellbeing while being overworked. I am sometimes shocked that counselors..who are liable for the lives of clients..are paid so little..I dealt with it by switching over to the management side of mental health. That's my 2 cents on what contributes to many "unhappy" counselors I have met.
I'm not sure how to spell his name, but it makes me think of (Thomas Szasz?) "The Myth of Mental Illness". My mom got ahold of it when I was younger and first struggling with my mental health, and that book's influence on her was very, very unhelpful for me as she tried to interfere with everything related to my care.
It may seem widespread, but only 2% of clinicians suffer from High Percentage Disorder, which totally irritates them.
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"Married to a jerk disorder". A friend of mine had that. Quite a severe case, too. With her, it was comorbid with married to someone who throws objects at ones head disorder. She first tried managing it by this technique called staying with a friend, but was *completely cured* after they tried divorce therapy.
On a more serious note: it's really hard to think that a counselor would actually make up a diagnosis like "major compression disorder" or "avoid bee personality disorder" and could still take themselves seriously as a practitioner. It's almost sort of impressive. Or rather: compressive, I guess.
This was a great video and I love your dry sense of humor. There are however two points on which I respectfully disagree with you.
First of all, I DO believe that love is the answer. Love for humanity, love for helping people in need, love for science, love for _evidence-based_ treatment, etc.
Secondly: someone who has "energy field disruption disorder" doesn't need an electrician, they'd need a woo practitioner, STAT. Obviously ;-)
As a victim of an "unhappy counsellor" thank you for addressing this issue. My psychologist could not implement healthy boundaries, at best had only cognitive empathy and felt that he was superior to all the other counsellors, doctors etc ... he was a dangerous man that devastated my life. He took advantage of me by developing a personal relationship with me and then horrifically abusing me. Fortunately is deregistered now... but the damage is done, and he, scarily, has tried to continue to "cousel" through other avenues. He is in yet another relationship with an ex-client, the third I am aware of since me, heaven knows how many there have been!
There are many wonderful and highly professional counsellors, but thank you Dr Grande for highlighting the fact, that like in all professions, there are people who cross the line, they exist, they are dangerous and just shouldn't be there!!!
"Buyer beware"!!!
@@lindy6094 I am glad you were able to escape this person... it is hard for those who have not been through the experience to believe that this can occur, especially when the perpetrator is practicing in a "caring profession". Your experience sounds very similar, even though we are on opposite sides of the world... mine had dysfunctional and abusive family, wouldn't network with his peers and was very dismissive of them in general, wouldn't see anyone for HIS psychological issues... and EVERYTHING was ALWAYS someone elses fault, BUT was incredibly charming to his (primarily single mother) clientele ! I still have people telling me what a wonderful person my former psychologist/ex-partner/abuser still is!!! I don't engage anymore as they don't want to hear the truth... even though I have the hospital and medical records that atest otherwise (broken arm, 2 broken fingers, broken nose, multiple black eyes, bruising etc etc etc). This guy controlled me, impacted my relationship with my kids, extorted money from me and NEARLY cost me my sanity!!!! It was a very costly life lesson, but like you, one I will NEVER make again!!!
@@brusselsprout5851 you are so right... they have many people "on the boil" to meet their various needs and incase one isn't providing enough "supply". A while after the honeymoon phase I discovered mine was "grooming" other female clients... he was, and still is, a total covert narcissist!! Just a deregistered one... but that doesn't stop him still reaching out to former clients!!! So wrong!!😡
@@brusselsprout5851 Yes, totally agree!
S B I was abused by a counselor. Thankfully he hasn’t been working in this field for a long time
@@india239 I am very sorry to hear that you have been through this too. I hope you have been able to receive help from a reputable clinician... they are out there, and have been a great help in my own recovery from a horrific experience. Please know recovery is definitely possible... and life can be good once again!!😉💖
Haha, part with a need for an electrician and diagnosing BPD clients as somebody 'who does not like borders' are my favorite today, Dr. Grande you are so very polite to call them 'unhappy counselors.' They are just idiots. I know you can't say that, but I can. OMG, this is so funny and scary same time.
Dr. Grande, I was laughing all the way through this. You should have titled this one, "Incompetent Counselors." If they are defining things like Borderline as "People who don't understand about borders" any patient is in real trouble going to somebody that clueless. And minimizing Schizophrenia? Clearly the so called counselor is in the wrong profession. Not sure how much of a Renegade. But maybe a Grandiose Narcissist. Terrible to think they have licenses to practice Psychology. How did that happen?
Where were these counselors educated? How did they pass competency exams? Am I just becoming a crotchety old woman?
I feel like this issue is a lack of education and a case of huge ego in that they aren’t willing to refer when the clients issues are beyond their skill set.
curvyquill very true
I don't agree on that. You can meet people that has a minimum of education and still be very good counselors. The worst I've ever met was a female psychiatrist (a doctor), cold as ice, this was in 1980. The best I've met was a female psychology nurse. Not just education but how they work with you and how they think. And how they care.
Akehap Kap i said lack of education as they fail to understand what BPD is. Basics of their job
It is interesting, is it really a lack of education? I think the ego thing is more pronounced. I say this because you might have a great education but your ego alters your perspective so that education might not be so useful. What about the temporal issue? Am I still educated after 30 years out of an educational context? I mean I have a degree but don't remember anything of it... Is it really about remember the specifics or are the specifics a necessary "evil" for bigger picture learning? I guess my point is that I don't believe we know what we mean by educated, I think the way you perceive the environmental inputs is far more important because you can justify anything if you try hard enough regardless of whether you are right or wrong.
Love the topics. Dr Grande is brilliant. Should write a book full of these snappy topics.
I would totally buy it maybe we should start a petition
This is the reason, i'm not in therapy today. There are people, who asking for mental help, but they take the risk, the disease can get more worse, with their treatment. Shit isn't funny and can't just get removed. And you have no prove, not to yourself or to anybody😐 with an avoidant personality, i constantly focus, what are peoples intentions, also with a therapists. So what we all need would be to have our "personal own Dr. Grande" 😅 I know, it would change a lots of people's mind👆💚 thank you so much, for sharing your thoughts 🙏
Lmao “high percentage disorder,” that was a great stab 😆
"...is not a counsellor who *literally* wants to blow up the system, although, maybe that's the case some of the time..."
30 sec in and I'm already laughing 😂
I wonder if the force field disorder one had to do with auras or chakras or vibrations or something. Although, I like your Star Trek theory better.
Interesting video!
i agree it's probably a new age or misunderstood Eastern philosophy, but the Star Trek theory is more fun
How do some of these clinicians successfully complete their studies to become licensed? Genuine, non-rhetorical question....
I would wonder that too. I had to study PLENTY to get through graduate school and then AGAIN to get through the licensure exam!!! so how does this happen?? 8-/?
Flawed systems.
Same way as any other person going through a training course/any course for that matter. It is not particularly hard to get into the swing of it and essentially "know what they are looking for". Another option is the counsellor has changed their mind after the fact. Perhaps it can also be malicious, "join the system to destroy it" kind of thing. In the end, examinaers and supervisors see so many people that it is quite easy to pretend. One thing is for sure, Humans are really good at pretending, there is nothing particularly special about any field whatsoever apart from how interesting it is to you, most are capable of learning anything given enough time, the difficult part is staying motivated despite the boredom (at least for me). Of course there is more to it than this but I think this is an interesting point.
Thats why I dont believe in paying a lot of money for these types of services, many are not qualified and have no business charging money for anything.
@@tonifelise6297 This immediately brought to mind the analogy of people who spend thousands on dog "breeds" that aren't recognized. Sure it'll probably make a great pet, but there's nothing behind that price tag except a fancy name.
I’ve never seen someone look so disappointed in a thumbnail 😅
Please do a video on Transgenerational Trauma... please.
Good idea. Please, Dr. Grande? Thank you!
James F Oh yes, that would be very interesting! I’ve read one book on it but I still feel like I don’t know anything about it.
Transgenerational trauma is fake news.
Hmm. That feels like what I'm feeling at 73
Transgenerational Trauma, never heard of that. Does it have to do with Psychogenealogy? If so I'd also be interested.
What counselor doesn't want to blow up the system every so often? Applying rigid standards to dynamic individuals is always going to be a problem for people who are charged with caring for the mental health and wellbeing of others.
This is just pure comedy gold, i had literally shed a tear during avoid ant section.
Scientifically informed roast
That analogy you used between "compression disorder" and a combustible engine was smooth. I kinda wanted to just know about engines at that point. But on this topic, I had a counselor become really aggressive towards me after finding out my disorder. First time ever meeting, had no reason to treat me that way. And after being a dick for 45 minutes, he said that could "Just leave if u want to" and so I did. Left a bad taste in my mouth and deterred me from help for a few yrs.
@N Silva I appreciate ur joke so I wont respond seriously. And although I dont wana endorse murder, I would definitely beat tf out of his shins.
You should report someone like that to the agency supervisor at least, if not their licensing board.
Lol there was a time when popular music had "Major Compression Disorder" The songs were being over-compressed and being recorded way too loudly.
Thank you for addressing the energy field disruption. When I was in nursing school, this was added to the list of nursing diagnoses and I remember thinking WTF? Maybe I should have asked for a consult from the engineering dept. to evaluate all my patients. 🙄.
Also, maybe the reason the idea of the border wall is so popular to some people is due to BPD?
Dr Grande. I find myself in this game to like your videos first.
Im number 3 this time.
Thanks for sharing
Excellent. Thank you for addressing this topic, Dr.Grande. Some unhappy counsellors can be very exploitative and do great damage to their patient’s mental health.
An excellent point that obviously applies to some very happy counsellers too.
Scott MC this brings to mind the podcast “The Shrink Next Door”.
Poor Dr. Grande, I can only imagine what he has to go through supervising other mental health professionals.
Based upon my experience in the mental health field, your collection of observations about these kinds of counselors is evidence based and coherent. I observed many of the same incompetencies. Clients who are treated by this sort of counselor are in effect, cheated out of competent treatment.
After working in the medical field for 20+ years and being a therapist as my “2nd career” I can appreciate your insight about science
It's one thing for therapists to work across disciplines (in which they are trained/experienced) in their work. [I actually practice across a couple of disciplines.] Don't forget that many approaches that are neither talk therapy nor use the scientific method can be very helpful in helping people move through challenges!
That said, I am astounded that people who have graduated high school (never mind those with advanced degrees in counseling) actually don't know the everyday English definition of "histrionic", or what "borderline" refers to, in this context.
I also am aware that some flexibility can be helpful with different clients who have different needs, in different kinds of intervention practice. However, I would expect people to enter training with the idea that clients just need friends, love, and care -- not to still hold this perspective while working in ANY helping capacity!
I found this helpful -- and quite disturbing. It might explain, though, why so many (former) clients come with horror stories about mental health (and other varieties of helping) practitioners...? Yikes.
Alternative therapies can be evaluated just as well with the scientific method. A therapy might be considered ineffective because it was found to only work for 10% of patients. It doesn't mean it didn't work for those 10%, it means there's probably a better tool, or the tool can be improved.
Dr. Grande is so serious, he’s having the slightest smirk that almost came out as a smile. Do you ever smile Dr. Grande?
This topic is hilarious and sad!!!
He's not angry, just disappointed 😂
*This is going to be interesting.*
"High Percentage Disorder" LOL, good one, Dr. Grande!
This is frightening stuff. I recently worked with someone like you described, and the damage they do to clients is real. Thank you for sharing this.
Thanks for posting this. For some reason it pulled me out of a discouraged feeling I have had for a few days .
I want a video where it's *just* Dr. Grande talking about imaginary disorders. His description of "major compression disorder" made my day (≧▽≦)
*anyone remembers a Bill Murray - actor, who played Groundhog Day?* Watch a film called 'What About Bob.'
Cute movie.
I agree "married to a jerk disorder" is not a diagnosis but it is better than giving a false diagnosis to just get paid by an insurance carrier. The system is flawed. Maybe not so much on the practitioner side, it's just the system and how counselors get paid and jaded.
Brilliant topic with unbelievable examples, but I did had at least also some good laughs too 😁. Who knows some day there is a new kind of disorder in the DSM called UCPD; Unhappy Counselor Personality Disorder? Dr. Grande has at least already the list with symptoms. Thanks doc 😃🇳🇱
I'm screaming at the avoiding ants 😂😂😂 this is up there in my top Dr. Grande videos
Dr. Grande, the wisdom and knowledge you impart has always been priceless but this one was hilarious. Avoiding ants? God, I'm still laughing. 😆
Dr. Grande could you please talk about clients becoming attached to a therapist? If a person had an unhealthy attachment style with their parents is it possible for them to form a healthy attachment to their therapist and if so what might the dangers of that be, and what could the client and the therapist do in such a case? Thanks!
Thanks for making this video. There's one guy on RUclips in particular who retired as a counselor many years ago and has made dozens of videos about why he believes the mental health field shouldn't even exist. Most memorable for me is when he stated that there shouldn't be specific people whose job it is to counsel people, but that everyone in society should take part in counseling each other. This totally avoids the rigorous training and ethical guidelines that licensed professionals attain and abide by. Before I started therapy about a year ago, I watched some of his videos and was convinced for about two years that I didn't need therapy and that it didn't really work. In my case, the renegade counselor did some real damage. I could have been working on healing and managing some of my issues years ago - I was in a vulnerable place and listened to this guy because he was well-spoken and used to be a therapist himself. It's a shame.
Renegade Therapist sounds like a great band name 🎸🎼
omg! I was literally laughing at some of this! I can't believe some people would actually write these or believe these disorders. Histrionic disorder made me laugh especially and also the compression being compared to car parts!
Christina H. Well histrionic IS a disorder. Just saying
@@doreenplischke7645 Histrionic PERSONALITY disorder.
Very enlightening Dr. Grande. When I was a teen, I saw a counselor for a few sessions. In one of the sessions we literally just sat and stared at each other for 45 minutes. Every now and then he would behave as though he was about to say something. But then he didn't.
These counselors seem to need counseling themselves. 🤔
I don't see if anything is wrong if counselors need counseling. Anyone can go down. But these he describes here I've never met one and I've met a lot.
Just when I start to feel low about myself and my cognitive functioning, Dr. Grande comes to the rescue. Thank you for highlighting that I’m not yet a complete loss.
Do I see a whiff of a smile in your picture for this video?
Interesting theme,
But there's also a lot of criticism from other groups.
I'm interested in your own criticism on the system and its limitations etc.
He tries to avoid that... for good reasons I think.
How you kept a straight face when mentioning some of these ”bazaar diagnoses”i don't know. Very helpful thank you.
Oh wow! I can relate to this. When i started working i was kind of a rebel type of employee. It wasnt malicious, and i worked with cardboard boxes and chairs and stuff like that. Although there were very specific instructions and procedures in place i would always do something out of the box thinking it is more appropriate and better because it seemed more logical that way. I was at constant odds with my boss. And only one time out of twenty i proved my point. I found after years of learning that i was overly engaged, overly confident in my knowledge, not trusting the old system is efficient and productive, just short sighted and lacking deeper insights into why it is in place to begin with, i was not able to see the benefits of surrendering to guidance of less stress and less effort. Simply put i was immature and very inexperienced. I can see how difficult it must have been to work with me..
What every unorthodox therapist does but is not aware of is that they all take a prescribed medicine when they have a sore throat, yet somehow believe the good old medicine doesnt work as it is.. i would love to see their response when asked that question.. what do you do when you have a sore throat? ☺
One time a counselor said to me "well, EVERYBODY drinks coffee." He used that one-liner to dismiss all my ADHD symptoms. Then he told me I was just having trouble adjusting to being a new mom. I'm not sure how having a 10 month old today affected my behavior patterns ten years ago when I was in middle school. Anyway, that guy hit pretty much every red flag you outlined in your other video about bad counselors.
My ex was a mental health nurse. She used to say things like people find me difficult because I'm too nice. I realise that ment I'm a narc and you'll find out soon enough. Well she used to get real upset when someone in her field didnt do their job quickly enough or properly. I saw the damage she caused in my life. When I started seeing her a patient took his own life. She had six months sick leave. I believe my ex is borderline with added anxiety ect. Her narcissism was a defensive tactic that only caused more problems. I met 3 mental health nurses and two of them are cluster b. I studied hard and fast. Seeing this all close up and seeing how dangerously unable to do their jobs properly was a great concern to me. I saw no empathy at all. I just saw substance abuse. Arrogance and every other box ticked many times. How do the team leaders or bosses watch out for this behaviour In mental health. Who has the right to express concerns. I saw poor practise everywhere.
Hahaha, this was so funny. How can you say these things with a straight face? :)))
Hahaha - the "HPD - High Percentage Disorder" often occurs in people who work with media, I'm afraid (I am journalist myself and know what I'm talking about xD) 10:40
I know it wasn't the main topic of the video, but I really liked your distinction between managing and curing mental health disorders. My counselors framing things that way for me probably saved me from just cycling in and out of major depressive episodes indefinitely. I can't believe there are actually counselors out there who aren't able to see that distinction.
Very well thought out observations Dr. Grande. A much needed open discussion on this topic is important. Clients put faith into their counselors and unhappy counselors can lead them down an unstable path.
Dr. Grande, your comments remind me of the podcast the "Shrink Next Door" that was released a few months ago. Clearly this therapist crossed a lot of boundaries and embodies some of what you discuss in a very extreme way!
I love how he is trying to make sense of some of these things, I love this real dialogue ...people who chart such stupidity most likely to vent, I think that the electric one was referring to meridian.
"Dramatic sweeping statements to prove the unproven / able ."
That seems to be the best way to raise ones insurance rates.....
This is wonderful. Experience working with patient's and with other clinicians (nurses, psychiatrists, etc) as well as reading has helped me. If I were a prof, this would be mandated viewing.
I believe Dr. Grande loves cars. He uses analogies and metaphors for mechanics/cars very frequently. 😯👌🏼🤓
Interesting
Can you do a video on empaths as well as body dysmorphic disorder?
I follow one counselor like that here on RUclips- Daniel Mackler.
I like to hear both- the System and the Rebellions as well.
On-time to time history shows that rebellions may offer a new effective perspective/resolution/solution /methods/ therapy .... to conditions/system/understanding/organization and so on...
This totally explains Dr shopping... Eventually you'll get the diagnosis you want if you try hard enough! As someone with mental health stuff I can understand wanting to finally have an answer, but these answers should have ppl losing their rights to counsel their clients, if you've got a client who just wants you to say something random like this there is likely a deeper issue they should be referred to a psychiatrist...
Dr. Grande- unrelated to your video, I was wondering if you could share your thoughts about Jennifer Yaniv (a so-called transgender activist in Canada), whose behavior has been regarded by many as attention-seeking, and possibly psychotic and delusional. She's ruffled a lot of feathers in the transgender community, and has alarmed a lot of people with his/her behavior, as many has deemed it predatory and using the "trans" as a guise" for access to young girls. There is also a strange dynamic with the mother if you watch recent news reporting videos online.
Those of us with mental illnesses could use friends because friends, among other things, are people to talk to about our lives. The counselor has the education to understand the troubles we are having making friends and help us make more friends. If they become our friends, that's just one friend. It's just like it being better to teach a person how to grow their own food instead of just giving them food.
I have to wonder how these people are working as counselors when they lack knowledge so severely. It's funny in a sense but more terrifying than anything to me.
First off, WOW @ some of the examples you gave, yet I believe it. I am not a counselor myself, but am someone who's been in different forms of counseling. I have been in counseling on and off (both forced in childhood by narcissistic 'Baby Boomer' generation parents), and on my own volition as an adult. I almost want to say (no, I *do* want to say) that I have gotten more from self-education and certain people's RUclips channels, yours included, that I have ever received in therapy. I am in therapy now, and specifically sought out a therapist who specializes in trauma and PTSD. The other day I tried (unsuccessfully, b/c I am still learning fully what it is) to explain what an emotional flashback was. I brought it up because I thought I had been in them recently, and was hoping her knowledge would exceed mine. Unfortunately this was not the case. She also had never heard of Complex or C-PTSD. From personal experience, I believe that something is lacking and there needs to be a huge shift in the education of therapists and those that get to become therapists. Initially, I thought your video was going to discuss therapists who are revolutionary in that they understand the mind/body connection, and certain very important issues like narcissistic abuse, and the stigmatization of drugs. I enjoyed it anyway, from the approach you came at it with. Again, WOW.
I have been in a position on multiple occasions where I was teaching the therapist or psychiatrist about something, and was like "Wow, they should know this. I didn't come here to educate them on something like "cognitive dissonance" or "trauma bonding" or "an emotional flashback" .... Ugh
I love your videos, I’m so proud of your success. This video was very well done and it was quite funny when you explained the parroting. Could you please cover a topic on kleptomania, the ethics and in relation to bipolar disorder and borderline disorder. Also a little philosophical debate on theft from major corporations vs family and friends.
listening to you try to apply logic to "compression" disorder was delightful...like when my daughter and i play "suss out the etymology of fun new words."
The misconceptions about different disorders that you described truly frighten me; I’m just a psych scribe. HOW?!
One counselor (circa'09) asked me 'questions' (yes/no) and 'diagnosed' me with a number of personality and mood disorders. At our second meeting I noticed a DSM opened on the desk. He/she was 'diagnosing' straight from the book.
I haven't run into a counselor like the ones you talked about. For good or for bad I get seen in a Veterans Administration Hospital. Sometimes they change often. You see one for several months then without much warning you get a new one. Sometimes they are in training.
The VA is more conservative on methods of care. And sometimes they research new methods. You sometimes don't know who or what you're going to get.
Anyhoo, I would rather have what I've got than a unreliable provider/counselor.
when you mentioned that some counselors described borderline personality disorder as someone who disliked borders, like state borders, it made me chuckle. I like that we get a little more of your personality in this video!
"high percentage disorder" got me pretty good too haha
I've never literally LOLed so much at one of your videos as this one. Incredible.
I tried to be serious, but I rofl when you got to that borderline personality part 😂😂😂
Counselors who get in trouble are often those with long careers and no record of discipline and often have risen to the pinnacle of their careers and regard in their field.
I wish there were more recent studies being conducted but at the height of these studies in the late 90's by Pope and et al, found that the middle aged therapist to be the most vulnerable to boundary break downs.
I also think there is truth in the popular characterization of the therapist is working out their own stuff worth their clients.
Thank you very much for this comment.
Having a counselor who doesn’t believe in science or the scientific method is terrifying! How did they make it through school?! I believe the field of psychology has went to far in their labeling of disorders. As it stands there are very few people who don’t have a personality disorder per the current standards. That’s also terrifying!
I would say that boundaries are there to benefit the client and therapist equally.
I have bpd and I HATE standing in lines so maybe they're onto something. But all jokes aside, I'm pretty sure my first therapist was one of these. She was trying to cure me with "common sense". "You will feel better if you lose weight because women should be slim to attract a man". Really did wonders to my undiagnosed 21-year-old BPD -_-
I know this is a serious issue but, this really is hilarious. As an LCSW for over 25 years, I have truly never encountered counselors like this. Wow!
@@RobespierreThePoof I have heard similar stories about psychiatrists from clients and have encountered some myself, not as a client but as a therapist. Luckily, I experienced mostly competent and professional providers as a client. I'm sorry to hear about your negative experience. Don't give up on community mental health. That's where I started. :)
Highkey this is a factor why I'm going into Psychology and Mental Health counseling.
I seen 5 different people before I seen my current therapist, an all of them had some (if not all) of these prior to my current one.
My current one looks into case studies and literature relating to all of their clients disorders, and does a lot of research even if she's familiar with it.
I want to be someone who's reliable and well informed, and can help my clients with what's going on in their lives, but not give them a label like "Avoid Bee Disorder" (I think a majority of people would have that, stings hurt!)
I once had a therapist tell me that I had bipolar disorder because I had both anxiety and depression. This was after me telling her that I had issues with anxiety rather than depression. Her strategy for the rest of the session was to yell at me about how much of a failure I was in life and was always going to be if it didn't suck it up. Really makes you wonder how some of these people have licenses (she was an MFT).
No therapist should ever yell at you. Any who do should be reported to their licensing board or supervisor.
That’s heartbreaking
I once saw a counsellor for 3 months when I was 21, nearly 22; And she said 'You want to be careful, you don't end up with a personality disorder'. I said 'I think I already have one'. I didn't actually know what a personality disorder was at the time, 10 years ago. Whether she was hinting that I already had one, not sure. But if she actually thought at nearly 22, I could miraculously develop one, she's a total idiot. 5/6 months later at 22, I began looking into personality disorders. And I diagnosed myself with Borderline Personality Disorder. I was officially diagnosed at 24. Question is, do I really have a personality disorder or did she just plant that in my mind? Yeah, I am certain that I am personality disordered and I am actually glad that she brought it to light. Is that unusual that I diagnosed myself specifically with Borderline Personality Disorder 2 years prior to an official diagnosis by a psychiatrist? Are Borderlines really that insightful? I also diagnosed myself with ASD Level 1 and was diagnosed by a psychologist just over a year later. I am hoping to study counselling myself.
Thankyou! Going to a counselor is like a box of chocolates.....hopefully these ones are a minority. Would you do a video on how a chronic decline in physical health can affect mental health?
IDK dr. Todd. I know there are a lot of bad counselors out there. I tend to think of them in two categories either the ultra grandiose or the non critical thinkers. The grandiose think that whatever they happened to think up on any given day is brilliant. They might have good ideas but they never think to get feedback from peers because they think that everything they think of is brilliant. And the non critical thinkers chose counseling because they didn't think that there's a need for logic or Reason in counseling and that is not their strong suit. I definitely agree with you that healthy boundaries are bare minimum. Also a trauma-informed approach in the sense approaching each new person as if they may have experienced trauma. I definitely think that the dunning-kruger effect is powerful in the counseling Arena since counseling is profession that people already think they know more about than they really do anyway due to the pop culture ideas of what a counselor is. I was inspired to become a counselor when I watched Ordinary People and Judd Hirsch playing the therapist to the Timothy Hutton character. Forgot about that for a long time but came back around to it in my thirties and did so. Of all the movie and TV portrayals I've seen of counselors though I have to say that was pretty decent. I'd love to hear your thoughts on good and bad portrayals of counselors psychologist or other mental health professional helpers in movies and television. Or of disorders portrayed well or poorly in movies or television. The Soloist I thought was excellent as a portrayal of a person with schizophrenia in a housing first program. That would make a cool topic I think for future videos.
Funny! Rebel Counselors Without A Cause or the basic standards of care under their belt. They're "Les Incompetent..".😃😄😀
So true, people who have a leg amputation, need a functioning titanium fully flexible artificial leg, people with mental disorders need adaptations that let them contribute to community, and guidance,... to live their best life.
This was a great video scary with all the fake claims on counceling!
Well then what is the correct term for someone who avoids ants?
This really got me laughting. Thanks!
Intense staring 🤣 I’ve had episodic depression and seen counselors a few times in my life, if they just stared at me I probably would’ve left feeling not only depressed but creeped out, definitely NOT an effective strategy in my estimation 🥴
I have to admit, I have never heard of most of these "diagnoses" that you are bringing up What do you think of Pete Walker?
Nancy Debosek I think Pete Walker is doing great work, but I also would like to hear what Dr. grandes perspective is on this.
@@attheranch873, oh sure, I like Dr Grande also. That's why I am here. Some of these "diagnoses" are really off the wall.
I can just imagine the frustration of the counselor who wrote "married to a jerk" in the chart. 😀
Sometimes people have times in life that they just need a person to work it out with.
They may have holes in their upbringing that makes seeing the forest for the trees difficult.
In those times. IMO, it's travesty that a mental health practitioner is basically forced to come up with a diagnosis.
That diagnosis can come back to haunt the patient in very negative ways..... it's a shame.
Have been dealing with unrelenting depression recently. I want you to know, I haven't laughed genuinely in months until hearing you say high percentage disorder. I snorted 😂😂
I do not believe for one second that Dr Grande has actually seen any of these “diagnoses” that he has “actually seen on charts” but I was still entertained so that’s cool.
Wow, those are some crazy examples O_O I've had a lot of bad experiences with psychologists but that's next level! x_x
But that part about how a lot of disorders can't be cured, only managed - I wish I'd known that when I was younger going through treatment. Spent so much time wondering why I wasn't getting better, but I realise now that no one gave me those realistic expectations. Would have saved a lot of self doubt etc.
Also, I work at a drug and alcohol rehab as a behavioral health technician and I've seen some counselors act like this with patients.
Now this is a very interesting one! Thank you for this one, Dr. Grande!
Explaining so good. Very funny at times, just by the terms. Great work. Thank you.
I know of a counselor who would sneak a client into the clinic to provide counseling services to them when the client fell between the cracks of not being poor enough and not having any money to receive treatment this was discovered and she was told she could be fired so she made other arrangements with her client welcome to the healthcare industry
I think there are issues within the mental health field..micro and macro. For me the hardest aspect has been wages for workers..often counselors are overworked and underpaid. I remember working at an agency where I did assessments..group therapy..supervision.. authorizations ..outpatient..Annual assessments..and reviewing notes and service plans from Bachelor level counselors. That was all my job duties in my role. Often the regular 9-5 was impossible to get it all done so I worked evenings as well for free. My annual income was 32,000 an year and no overtime. We didnt have sick or vacations days either.. I had a co-worker cry to me cause she couldn't afford Xmas presents for her kids and pay for daycare..this same counselor saw clients in this state. I was lucky cause my spouse earned a decent wage to support the family. I am also lucky to have my Master's..a Bachelor level counselor can make as low as 25,000 an year in my area. I have seen what low wages,being overworked and financial stress can do to counselors. Some counselors work multiple jobs to make ends meet- so your talking taking on more liability of clients' wellbeing while being overworked. I am sometimes shocked that counselors..who are liable for the lives of clients..are paid so little..I dealt with it by switching over to the management side of mental health. That's my 2 cents on what contributes to many "unhappy" counselors I have met.
I'm not sure how to spell his name, but it makes me think of (Thomas Szasz?) "The Myth of Mental Illness". My mom got ahold of it when I was younger and first struggling with my mental health, and that book's influence on her was very, very unhelpful for me as she tried to interfere with everything related to my care.
This video makes me want to become a counselor.
Why?
Because if the people in the examples mentioned can become licensed, then surely I can too! 🤪
Hey Dr. Grande, can you please do a video on people who fake hate crimes? I find that topic fascinating