The Infamous: Hunters Lodge (Milsurp Score or Scam?) 📦 Unboxing Cheap Military Surplus Firearms C&R
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Hunters Lodge Corp may advertise unbelievably low prices on milsurp firearms, but they also have a notorious reputation for sketchy business practices, slow shipping, poor customer service, and unfulfilled orders. The question remains: Is their bad reputation truly deserved? The only way to find out was to bite the bullet and submit an order. This isn’t my first time dealing with Hunters Lodge. A few years ago, I took a chance with a military surplus firearm order from them, but I've been hesitant to push my luck and roll the dice again-until now. Their most recent ad features irresistibly budget-friendly Long Lee-Enfield rifles, along with Berthier, Mosin, and Carcano carbines. Let’s see if Hunters Lodge is a milsurp treasure trove or a complete scam here in 2025.
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It appears hunters ledge gets their rifles from RTI’s garbage cans
I actually wouldn't be surprised if it's the same company, but they just sell their junk under a different name
These were the old Century Arms U-fix em rifles they used to sell to C&R FFL collectors for $20 each. Best part was $100 got you free shipping. 8mm and 7.62x54 ammo was 5-10 cents a round. Miss the good old days of the late 90’s.
Back in the early 2000s when Tapco had a customer catalog they had 88 commission rifles for 20 bucks shipped straight to your door. Still got mine a steyer manufactured with original sling.
Actually, all the GOOD quality surplus arms were collected and sold by InterArmCo back in the 1960's - and they sold for around $20 /each for bolt action rifles.
I am amazed you did this again.
So we didn't have to ...... 😂
Some people are a glutton for punishment.
Smh ......... HLC n RTI 👎....
@@MegaBait1616 agree 1000%, but it makes for fun viewing and costs us nothing, thank goodness. It also helps new folks understand the risk/reward(if any) of playing this game.
@@glabdo5000 . True good to watch :-) I get only good working pew pews with good bores . I can fix cracked stocks but all the metal must be good n all the parts there .. be well MB .
To quote someone from i think snipers hide
"Hunters lodge is just a company working out of its deph. They think money order only is fine, and that 3-4 months shipping time is fast in 2025"
Based on what I've seen here, I would never buy anything from Hunters Lodge. I don't know how they stay in business.
Don't buy junk from RTI or Hunter's Lodge. He's delusional about what these are worth. They're rifles that were passed over for parts because of the rust, pitting and cracked wood.
They stay in business because of guys like this buy that trash.
6 orders from me last 2 years, other than slow very happy. You have to read the description and realize that that the description is key. 74 dollars for what everyone else sells for 150. Have realistic expectations
@@garyh1449it makes for a decent video, right?
Dont do it, I rolled the dice and they never sent me anything.
It's amazing what they are selling for high prices on the Milsurp market compared to 10-15 years ago
The 8mm Carcano's chambered in 8mm by Germany are extremely rare.... and most all sit in private collections today. The 8mm Carcanos that we typically see on the market were made for north Africa, they are not reworked by Germany, and bring much less (closer to the value of a typical 6.5 or less). I do love that you have a Beretta made rifle tho, I have several.
Exactly, most of them where made for Egypt, i have one, it's fun and all but you will never have a german one for this kind of money
That is so odd to me back in the 90’s a company called Springfield sporters (they sold you fix ‘em’ milsurps for sporterizing) had the Carcanos in 8mm for $60 and couldn’t sell them they were also thought to be dangerous to shoot , now collectors item ! 😅 ok poppy is done his story
Theyre many things, but "extremely rare" is not one of them.
Those rifles can be had fairly easily
@@thegreatchickenoverlord5976 not the ww2 german german modified ones
@@crustacemonde2760and those are not the rifles being advertised or discussed here
Those prices are absolutely ridiculous. Just 20 years ago that Mosin would have been less than 50 dollars.
And not much more than that for a Mosin that's actually in good condition.
Just 10 Years ago they were only. $89. In the box with sling and cleaning kit and ammo pouch. I bought several .
And several more at $120 just a few years ago. Now they are asking $700 at the gun shows. Only idiots would pay that.
@@davidkohler7454 As stupid as it sounds, there was a massive jump in price in 2017 for both mosins and mausers due to the release of battlefield 1. For example the average cost of a mosin at auction was somewhere around $280 in 2015, whereas in 2017 they jumped to almost $600. I have noticed the bubble on them has started to pop in the last year or two though on the auction market. We will probably see table/store prices come back down from the insanity in the next couple years as they start to flood the market again through estate sales. For example I just picked up an 1898 dated Tula imperial with matching early pattern bayonet for $350 in April of last year. The deals are starting to be seen again, just require some hard digging.
@@davidkohler7454 IDK where you're from, but that was not the case here in SE PA. I go the the largest gun show in the area most times it's in town. 10 years ago, I was passing over Mosin's because they were $175 or so.
Money is also worth a lot less now.
I appreciate you showing us the product you received! Hunters lodge has some decent stuff for great prices. But I cannot justify a 3/4/5 month wait for the condition you received on 3/4 of your rifles. No matter the cost. Personally I'll pay more and wait for a nice example to come my way either at a LGS or show. All that being said, I hope you upload update videos on each rifle! Maybe a teardown and cleaning?
Dont do it bro, I rolled the dice and they kept my money never sent me the rifles I ordered.
@@quinnhall3254that’s for the heads up! I’m sorry that happened to you brother… and yeah I’ll just stick to SimpsonLTD, atleast there I know what I’m buying and they answer the phone lol….
@@quinnhall3254hey I appreciate the info! Sorry that happened to you brother, and I hope you somehow get it resolved. Yeah I won’t be purchasing from HL anytime soon, I’ll stick to Simpson LTD, although they cost a little more. At least I know what I’m getting and they pick up the phone!
@vocalcoyote9375 anytime brother, I don't like it when people get ripped off, paying a little extra for a reputable item is worth it
The Lee Speed is commercial, as one gentleman previously mentioned. This rifle is certainly not a left-over from the boer war. The bolt is also not a Long lee bolt. It has a later model cocking piece only seen on mid- to late productions SMLE's and the rifles after it. And the bolt itself does not have the dust cover lugs which are supposed to be on Long Lee bolts. I think they just threw in any other Lee bolt they had on hand. The bolt handle curvature is also different on long lees.
i totally agree the lee speed was a commercial one, be interesting to know when in it was converted as they have gone to all the trouble of fitting hunting sights but not replaced the fore stock just chopped it as you can see the cut out for the missing rear volley sight and nothing has been done to tidy the wrist were the sight was mounted. the receiver shows marks that look like a pipe wrench has been at work possibly to remove the barrel, possibly just replaced the original barrel with one with the sights already fitted
@@chrisgosling6083 by the proofmarks it's been on the UK gun market, probably a junk gun sold for export by a UK gunsmith as rifles like that are pretty much worthless in the uk. Bloke On The Range used a similar junk gun to test the locking strength of the lee enfield action, they rechambered one for .300 win mag and a manufacturing flaw in the bolt made itself evident, the bolt shattered!!
@@tech4pros1 hi i also live in the uk, this is the kind of rifle that ends up on the deact market as it is worth more in the uk as a wall hanger than a shooter , i
He made a career out of ordering military surplus junk. Should be called ‘Junk Reviews!’ 😂😂😂
I don't know why but you got me hooked on watching these videos to see if you can get these rifles up and running again. Pretty cool when you can. My father in law gave me an old 1918 Ithica Flues 12 gauge that was in rough shape mostly the stock but the action and barrel are surprisingly good shape. I fixed all the cracks in the stock and refinished it and cleaned all the metal nicely and shes a really nice bird gun with ultra light loads.
You really rolled the dice with this company. I've never heard of Hunters Lodge before and it would seem with just cause.
I'm old enough to remember when you could buy a REALLY good quality Russian Mosin-Nagant for $69 at your local gun store, and a nearly new quality Russian SKS for $139. Those were the days! I still have mine and they shoot great!
We're old enough to remember buying even BETTER quality Nagants for $20, mail order, from InterArmCo in Virginia. Also 20mm Lahti anti-tank guns for $100.
I've not ordered from Hunters Lodge, but I've been interested in their offerings knowing that some serious TLC is needed. I was very disappointed to see, however, that the 8mm Carcano you ordered was not, in fact, 8mm. That's what I was going to take a chance on, but if it's still in its original chambering then there are many other vendors I could get that gun from.
Thank you very much for sharing this.
That Lee Speed appears to be a very early African safari rifle, those are African style express sights used to hunt plains game and the Big 5 with. I'm guessing it came from Ethiopia.
God bless you.
This is a firearms version of the RUclips drinking channel: "Analyzing the Skanks I Woke Up With"
Your optimistic enthusiasm is addictive.
I ran into this same issue with hunters lodge. Couple years ago I ended up ordering a Turkish 1893/40 rifle from them. They sent me a regular 40s Turkish mauser with the 1893 bolt. When finally able to confront them they refused to take it back. The rifle was in good condition just not the rifle I had ordered and what they had advertised.
From experience, Kerosene works great to clean the old firearms, cuts the cosmolen, and grime great
Wrap cosmoline covered rifles in black plastic bag and leave in the sun. Clean and repeat until cos is leached out. This works especially well here during Texas summers!😊
Excellent video as usual! Now, if you will excuse me.....I think I'll invest in a 55 gallon, or maybe five such barrels, of Break Free to soak the metal parts of any surplus firearms I purchase from ANYBODY for a week or two. Keep up the great work!
Hunter's Lodge has zero credibility at this point. All the horror stories coming from their customers I can't understand why anyone still does business with them. They burned me once, pre internet so options were limited to telephone and snail mail contacts. No merchandise, no refund, no bueno.
I'd be afraid of the head spacing 😮
The reality is the pre 1960 surplus market is all but dead. There will be busts of "cheap" rifles out of Africa, but the days of crates of 91/30 going for $1,000 are gone.
The hassle isn't worth the lower costs. Questionable money order-only practices and lax shipping policies are an instant no buy for me.
I love that Sauron shirt styled like the Sabaton logo.
Market value for the mosin in that condition is insane, I paid 175 for an all original M44 in near perfect condition five years ago.
I've ordered countless times from HLC and aside from the slow shipping(I'm never in that much of a hurry), never had a problem with anything I've gotten. I always fully plan on a full teardown and restore, so I'm never surprised.
Carcanos were pretty cheap on the surplus market in '63 too. I recall the ads.
So...is this a real company? Like I was tempted to order an FR7 from them but I thought it was a scam.
Real company. I got one of their FR7s and its been a great shooter. Plenty happy with that purchase
lol I’d be disappointed with that shipment…. I’ll pay more
In the '60s, Hunter's Lodge sold Lugers for $39.95. Were they mis-matched pitted POS like these rifles, or has there product quality simply deteriorated?
My guess is that quality has simply deteriorated over time as the good surplus dried up. Now all that's left is literal garbage.
Please bro , stop buying 🙏 that garbage . Those are parts guns and nothing more. Better to have 1 nice one over 4 beaters.
Obviously, Hunters Lodge doesn't give a crap about their customers once they get paid. As long as you know that going in and are happy with the results then that is all that matters. I like your videos. I clean and repair a lot of guns. A package of seven " gunsmith special" handguns came in yesterday. The first one was a Rock Island Gov. model 1911 that was seized from WD40. I tore it down, cleaned and lubed it and it will pay for 1/2 of the cost of all seven guns. Hang in there Buddy.
@richardwright8223 ,You picked up a 1911 from HL?
I have ordered three barreled actions/receivers through Hunters Lodge, a K31, and Arisaka Type 99 and Type 38. The K31 was in fantastic condition, and the Type 99 was dirty but perfectly fine. The Type 38 actually ended up being an 8mm conversion captured by the Chinese, which was very interesting. I haven't been disappointed yet, but I definitely understand the apprehension.
I'm fairly certain that hunters lodges run by one person. I think that what they do is they get enough orders that when they go and complete them they complete them in one day. So basically they wait to fill the order till they have 15 or 20 rifles to ship all at once.
At least You have some scrap iron and kindling!
Recieve it in a timely manner in good condition then you can file a complaint with the postal system and it's a federal crime to cash the money order and not provide the correct product and timely delivery. They can do federal time.
No way I'd spend any money from them for what are basically wall hangers, and that's being kind. Thanks for sharing.
I wouldn't even hang that trash on my wall
I would worry about what crawls out of the stocks and into my furniture.
Been waiting over a year for 5 mausers. Never got anything $850 down the tube. Total Scam
I wonder if they are taking money for stock they don't currently have and the long waits are due to them having to try and find what they sold you after the fact
@@KR-hg8be I believe their business model is to take as many payments as possible and issue as little product as possible. Until my money or my guns show up I will call this operation a scam. I am a 07 FFL, at some point this goes to the compliance agent and it becomes the feds/Hunters issue.
Great choices…. Yeah Hunters Lodge is stuck in the past as far as their ordering processes and they have poor customer service, but when you get enjoyment out of cleaning and resourcing missing/broken parts on hard to find guns to build your collection, I think it’s worth the hassle and the wait. Keep up the reviews, they are great. Thanks for showing us what various vendors are sending out so we can decide if it is or isn’t too much for us take on ourselves. I look forward to seeing each of these four broke down and rebuilt. I’d love to see you attempt to put the Long Lee back to original (well as close as you can with the shortened barrel). Maybe you make it into a “Tanker” version and even use some No1 or No4 parts as last resort options…. Could turn out interesting…
The bayonet box cutter looks like an 1892 French berthier , they are getting a little harder to find these days. Look forward to seeing a video of your hall from Hunter's Lodge once you get them all cleaned up. Good luck. Thanks
Nice collection of expensive "boat anchors" that you have there!!😊😊
I've never seen someone so jubilant over getting defrauded...
I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work
Bottom line is YA GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR - Go to a show , hock shop , store that deals in used firearms and Shop , hands on - so you know what you are getting from the get go 😉🥴🙄😁
Hey Readi 3 months is just right for HL My friend just got his order 3 months. It's a gamble for sure. You know there prices are fair though and there missing parts for sure. THANKS for showing.
I'll second that, as I and you have told our audiences, don't expect a perfect, spotless rifle...they are projects which is why they're cheap. I'll gladly wait on my orders, I've gotten better quality than RTI, that's for sure. Once you surpass 6 months, then you can really have heartburn. As you and I have stated, most orders take 3-6 months depending on how big your order is. I just recently got the last of my order from last April. Additionally, James can be reached on the phone, but persistence is key.
@The_Casual_Collector
> better quality than RTI
That is a real truth right there. With Hunters lodge, you know what youre getting will be shootable, if rough. RTI is a total gamble on if you can shoot it at all
I ordered three M44 Mosins, two Spanish Mausers and two Carcanos in November of 2017 for our store. It took almost a year for part of my order to ship (October 2018), and when I called, I rarely got through to anyone. If I did get through, the person was rude.
On that first shipment I received two beautiful M44s - one all matching - and a third that looked like it had been used as a shovel in a coal mine. I received the Mausers in January of 2020, dirty, and not the models I ordered, but pretty good overall, and two months later I received the Carcanos - which were junk.
The experience was horrible, but I did pretty well on what I ordered. I still have one of the Carcanos at the shop that will probably never sell.
I have a t53 that looked about the same, 12 years ago it was $119, no cracks in the wood tho, i re blued it, and refinished the stock, the bore slugged to .3115, it is actually a pretty accurate gun, also all t53 that came from the field got a russian bolt upon storage, a numbers matching t53 is the rarest mosin imo
now my RTI Vetterli/Carcano looks like a museum piece compared to these
im not a collector as you are, so having a rare version means nothing to me.
i just look at a gun and think " gee that looks neet. i could restore it and make it a nice wall hanger that i will put a couple rounds through once in awhile."
i would have bought none of those even at those prices.
i honestly didnt know there was a company even MORE hit and miss than RTI
your video convinced me to avoid hunters lodge entirely
Man I am so tempted by that $118 m44. I don’t mind a project.
I received a very nice Mexican Mauser from them. It is in great shape with a beautiful crest and stock.Only problem it was missing the bolt and those are impossible to find.
Just picked up a AC 43 - Third variant , high edge wear but decent , including the bore for $ 800 ✔️- P-38
Been watching your videos awhile and love them! So sad to see the current state of milsurp rifles but glad people are like you are still making videos ❤️
I am used to buying junk or very bad guns. Usually I expect no more than fun projects. After checking out your videos, I might buy from them expecting no more than what you got. Missing parts like a nosecap would be very annoying but also a challenge to reproduce my own part.
I had a barreled tomato stake of a mosin sans a bolt assy.
Hunters Lodge had a complete mosin bolt assy for $18 (2008$)
I'd love to see the cleaning videos of these rifles
Great video. I have to say, it really piqued my interest. If you know what you're likely to get from these guys (which you're helping with this vid) and you like a good project gun, it actually sounds like a bit of fun ordering from this place. Kind of like playing the lottery. If you're used to purchasing perfectly functional clean firearms at high prices it's not for you, but some of us do enjoy getting to work on rifles such as these.
what do they call it when you do the same thing over and over again but expect a different result?
Practice?
Thanks for the warning about the lodge... I'll stay far away from there.
These appear to be guns that were even passed over for parts. You seem to be buying them as curious and not for shooting . Using them as just examples of different models in a collection. I would put them in the same classification as "Battlefield dug relics" as far a shooting them.meaning , never shoot them..
Why not? Theyre all in serviceable and shooter worthy condition
@thegreatchickenoverlord5976 we have a different idea of what useable condition is.
“Less then $120 for a mosin, what an amazing value”
My heart sank when I heard that and saw what you got. 😢 gone are the good milsurp days truly.
Hard pass on all that junk. Their reputation certainly precedes them.
I would be so excited for the shorter, I wouldn't do that myself but if I buy one that someone else has sporterized I get to make it into whatever I wish it to be! I have a 1905 Ross that is my current project! All of these rifles are better than I would have expected from Hunters Lodge !
Hunter’s Lodge worse than Royal Tiger Imports?!?! You’ve got to be kidding. They are both about the same in many people’s opinions. JUNK!
So cool I dno why but I love these vids of the old stuff needing love..got my sub
I think they dig these out of RTIs dumpster!!
Century would Never ship stuff looking like this ..
It looks like they're from Ethiopia. The ones you got that wouldn't swallow the bullet all the way to the neck of the cartridge have potential. A trick I have discovered that works pretty good for cleaning up bores is to take some 0000 steel wool and rap it around your bore brush and preferably pushing it in from the chamber, really helps to smooth out all that pitting from corrosive ammo. It kind of ruins your bore brush, but cleaning up the bore is worth it.
Thanks for posting this. I will never order anything from them. Looks like a pile of junk to me.
That Lee-Speed is indeed a commercial rifle and are a bit uncommon.
I'm just a owner of C&R now. I stopped buying years ago. Wish I knew how good we had it 25 years ago when I seriously started collecting. No way I would buy this junk but clearly there is a market.
Ok kid. Accept the fact that you missed out on the golden years of milsurping. I really do feel bad for yall.
Even up to the early 2000s, there was a little bit coming in.
BUT.....
Doing business with folks like this is beyond stupid. Personally, I dont have that sort of money to play "maybe it'll be ok" with a company
that wont take it back.
I hate this mindset.
"Just dont be poor, bro. Just spend $1000 on the rifle bro"
According to what i see here ive got about $100,000 worth of surplus rifles just thrown on and under benches in my barn. Some have been there long as i can remember .
Before this video i would have sold the whole lot for $200..
But not now cause I Know What Ive Got..
i don't understand why people buy junk. I would rather have just one nice firearm instead of five or six pieces of junk.
You will likely never understand it. You have to be in the right frame of mind. People buy these guns to see if they can fix them up and have a gem. That is the satisfying part of it.
Man. I placed a 2k order with them last year. Check was cashed in August and I haven't received anything.
I remember many years ago, perhaps late 1990s or early 2000s I decided to at least go through the motions of ordering. The process was ridiculously complicated and the computation of shipping required a PhD in abstract nuclear physics. SO glad I never went through with it....
Kind of excited to receive my Mosin from them now. I was pleased with the Berthier I received. I ordered a K-31 action last year and it’s still not arrived. I’m going to order some of the missing parts Spanish mausers (I think they are like $50 apiece) next. Mainly just a parts order. Unfortunately for my wallet I have renewed my 03-FFl for the first time in 15 years or so. Not gonna lie Hunter’s Lodge is my favorite. They have weird stuff and it’s all pretty filthy and cleaning them up is what I enjoy.
Thanks for the review. I was thinking of ordering from them. I think I'll pass.
Man I’m so glad I didn’t go through them. I was looking at one of the 8mm carcanos myself and was wondering if the same thing would of happened.
And they probably got a crate of those garbage rifles for $5. I wouldn't bother wasting money with them
Where would you guys recommend other than RTI to get decent milsurp rifles?
Try pawn shops, most of the milsurp still remaining online is marked way up nowadays because it's not worth the price for most folks
I always use US postal system money orders. If you don't r
700 bucks for rusty junk and you call that reasonable?! And this was your second time at the bat with the same bad results. Geez buddy, why not put in another order and make it three strikes! You should have at least warned your listeners to not buy from those jokers. You know, practice some good consumer advocacy. But no, give a free advert to an obviously terrible business. Holy Smokes!
That mosin you got with this order would be perfect to put in an archangel stock
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Man those are bad, gotta get 2 to maybe make 1😅 gotta know what you’re doing and roll up your sleeves so hats off if you get em to run good.
I mean for what you paid that really ain't bad tbh. Looks like they'll all clean up pretty decent. Only major issue really is that one crack, hard to tell how bad on video and with how dirty it is. I'd be happy with that haul, the sporter long lee I'd clean up and resell. I don't like how non responsive you said they were though, idc about waiting but I'd really like to hear something back lol.
They only have 2 or 3 employees working
the orders. Appreciate the dirt! I love dirty rifles!
I've ordered a lee metford, a berthier carbine, and an FR7.
Put in for a K31 about 2 weeks ago, hopefully I get something here soon.
(P.S. the way I see it, as long as you can get the receiver in a good enough shape to use, it’s worth it anything else along with it is a bonus. And yes, it is difficult to get a response, but it seems if you ask about pricing and such prior to ordering, it will be more “Lively”.)
I got a beautiful K31 barreled action from them, did a few videos on it over on my channel.
I appreciate these videos. They really help me appreciate what i have. This makes me feel like i have a high end museum quality collection. Now i need to get some white gloves😂
I did eventually get my order but had to threaten legal action to get it.
I mailed off an order last week for the same model of lebel, Lee long rifle, specifically requested a m44 mosin(we shall ss how that goes) a spanish fr7 for parts and a spanish m43 mauser . I'm rolling the dice on that one for fifty samolians
The spanish mauser i got from them before was beautiful and only had a broken band spring. I also got one of there $50 as is 1916 spanish rifles and it is in great shape with an incomplete bolt. I hope it goes well for you
@Ronnie_flex me too
I say you bought a pile of parts and not even decent shaped parts. Please do not bring me any of those to restore!
Looks to be a Lee speed they were sold as commercial guns and could be had in anything from a sporting rifle to something very close to the current Military rifle at the time of purchase.. the one you have looks like it was bought as a sporting rifle.
I have always done great buying parts, accessories, etc. Their grab bags on slings, bayonets, etc are no joke. Only buy a gun if it has pics, or is in front of you
I think your definition of successful and mine are completely different.
Sure, HL has a lower rep vs RTI, but I wouldn't dog on them too much. Since their price point is actually good.
That Mosin is a good one!
But... I probably won't gamble on this. I'd rather save my money for a C9.
100%
also rti is run by scammers, hunters lodge is just run by old farts
Bottom of the boat scrap lol, probably somebody buying yard sale scrap yard rifles and resells them for more.
The Mozzie,is a good deal. Good place to start anyway,thanks for your information on this company. If you eventually get your order,that is.
I would not be happy with any of those, don’t think I’d ever buy from hunters Lodge.
Good for you. Stay away amd you won't complain.....
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OK, Karen
no one is dropping 300 or 400 for that mosin at all.
now 118 is a nice price to restore that hunk of junk but then by the time you put all that effort in to fix it not much upside.