The Mysterious Bandsaw Drift...Solved? // B4WMT #9 // Make Things

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  • @Jeff1Jeff2Jeff3Jeff
    @Jeff1Jeff2Jeff3Jeff Год назад +17

    WOW! I feel like I just attend a TED Talk on band saws .. I feel ten pounds smarter! Thanks ROB!

  • @jimhuitt9854
    @jimhuitt9854 Год назад +30

    When I worked at Woodcraft some 20 yrs ago I bought a jet bandsaw. The store owner gave me a quick lesson on setting the saw up and I have never ever had a problem with drift. I use nothing but Timber Wolf blades and not very many of those. First the blade needs to be in the center of the tire thats the teerh not the whole blade. The tire has radius and to run true the teeth need to be in center of that radius. Tension should be low, loosen the tension adjustment til the blade starts to wooble then tighten 3 turns. Next never use cheap blades that's why i only use Timber Wolf blades. This has worked for me for many years and in my 9 yrs at Woodcraft I passed this on to a lot of happy customers. Good iuck !

    • @eileencollins3126
      @eileencollins3126 Год назад +4

      Great information! Alex Snodgrass said in a class at Woodcraft to have the gullet (base) of the teeth in the center of the tire. It really helps. I also round the backside edges of a new blade, which also helps. I use a river rock for this. I also only use Timber Wolf blades. They seem to stay sharp longer than others I have tried.

    • @jeffkowalski4936
      @jeffkowalski4936 Год назад +3

      I agree. If you’re adjusting for drift right out of the gate then there is something improperly set up. Wheels centered over the tires is the most common problem. All guides and tensioning dialed in and you’ll never have a problem. Research Alex Snodgrass. He shows a proper tune up.

    • @montgomeryscot6623
      @montgomeryscot6623 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@eileencollins3126great recommendation, I looked up Alex, got a very simple tute on set up with zero drift (he says drift doesn't exist on a proper set up) and got a bonus how to on bandsaw boxes and snakes.

    • @wizrom3046
      @wizrom3046 3 месяца назад

      I tried to get my blade to wooble like your recommendation but it just wont wooble!
      Maybe I got stuck with one of those non-woobling blades?
      Please help! I need to wooble

    • @JoeyCour
      @JoeyCour Месяц назад

      @@eileencollins3126 can you explain why you round the back of the blade?

  • @davidpeters8813
    @davidpeters8813 Год назад +8

    Great info! Another factor is bandsaw setup/tracking. Most manufacturers say to adjust tracking so the blade is centered on the wheels. However, since a bandsaw tire is domed, that leaves the teeth unsupported and they will drift/be driven by the wood. Per Alex Snodgrass, the tracking should be adjusted so the deepest part of the gullet is on the centerline of the wheel. This supports the teeth and reduces drift also. And the blade guides should be behind the teeth, at the gullet so they don't rub against them and dull one side or the other. 👍

  • @atb2manboberconsulting744
    @atb2manboberconsulting744 Год назад +2

    Thank you. This phenomenon has been driving me crazy. Now I know it isn’t just my incompetence but a real thing.

  • @philliprickman1394
    @philliprickman1394 21 день назад

    This is exactly what I needed to see. I ruined a slab of red oak yesterday, while trying to re-saw it. I had tried to saw as much depth as possible on the table saw, but that was overpowering the saw. (I was considering trying a circular saw blade as you mentioned in the video.) I have a Grizzly 17" band saw, and thought it would be a breeze to re-saw the slab, since that's the reason for the saw. I was surprised at how unforgiving it was. I haven't tried to re-saw any hardwood slabs before. I will try the single point method that you demonstrated. Thanks for the great explanation of drift!

    • @MakeThings
      @MakeThings  20 дней назад +1

      My pleasure Phillip ;)
      Bandsaws are frustrating, especially when everyone seems to know the answer for them, including sales reps (I fought with them at Grizzly). Since the video I bought a carbide tip bandsaw blade. It cuts about as straight as my table saw now...I can't recommend them enough.

  • @collapse99
    @collapse99 Год назад +2

    This was a very helpful video for someone like me who just bought my first (hopefully only?) floor standing bandsaw recently. Thank you!

  • @FixitFingers
    @FixitFingers Год назад +1

    Well researched, presented and explained Rob. Interesting stuff.

  • @bernkondret9981
    @bernkondret9981 9 месяцев назад +3

    Setup steps: Make sure the two wheels are coplanar (easiest to do before putting on the table). Mount the blade on the tire with the teeth just off the crown. Don't over tension the blade. Tension to one size less than the blade width. Align the table miter slot to the blade (using the table attaching bolts). Align the fence to the miter miter slot (that way the fence and a miter gauge both work correctly). Adjust all the blade "bearings" to correct tolerances. Using a scrap piece of wood against the fence see if the saw cuts along a straight line marked on the board parallel to the edge against the fence. If not adjust the blade tracking until the straight line is cut without drift. Replace dull blades sooner rather than later. I check for correct tracking each time I change blades (using the same board over and over). So far I have only adjusted the tracking once. This all on an inexpensive 14 inch Grizzly bandsaw.

  • @Steven-np5me
    @Steven-np5me 7 месяцев назад +2

    I was having a problem with drift on a new band saw. YT'd every vid, to no avail. I watched a table saw vid, and presenter said "manufacturers won't fit a good quality blade to keep purchase price down". Then penny dropped, I fitted a good mid-price blade, fixed my issue, no more drift

  • @stevioclark
    @stevioclark 3 месяца назад

    This is a fantastic video and addresses some of the problems I have been having with my band saw. I watched the Alex Snodgrass videos and the Michael Fortune videos which have competing views on some setup features for band saws. Your explanation is unique among RUclips videos concerning bandsaws. That one side is sharper than the other. Makes perfect sense and explains why my new blade is cutting to one side. When I was installing it. It came off the first time I turned the bandsaw and on dulled one side. It pulls to the other side just as you explain. Thanks so much for this wonderful information and the other tips in your video.

    • @MakeThings
      @MakeThings  2 месяца назад

      Thank you, this means a lot. It's baffles me that so many people miss the 'set' issue with blades.

  • @guilforddave
    @guilforddave Год назад +2

    As soon as you started talking about resawing and drift I thought of the single point fence. I remember reading about it back in the 1980's. Probably in Popular Mechanics.

  • @automaticprojects
    @automaticprojects 3 месяца назад

    Great video. I’ve had a Laguna 18bx for about six years and I’m thinking about trying their DriftMaster fence to get better re-saws. I also use their carbide tipped Resaw King but might still switch to the table saw method.

  • @cyrilnorrie8450
    @cyrilnorrie8450 Год назад

    A great explanation on what happens when a bandsaw is used and what to do about it. Thanks for sharing this video!

  • @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT
    @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT Год назад +2

    Great video! I must check this on my bandsaw - it behaves so badly that I barely use it.

  • @andrewmazurkiewicz105
    @andrewmazurkiewicz105 Год назад +2

    Hi In case you didn't know your saw has a single point attachment that fits into the 2 slots on the fence. Informative video, thanks

    • @froggercrak6286
      @froggercrak6286 9 месяцев назад

      This is the reason that your fence has to slots in it. The single point fits into it. However that particular fence has a tendency to bend out of plumb, and deflect away from the blade at the top. I use a clamp to press the square base against the table top.

  • @tatehogan5685
    @tatehogan5685 Год назад

    Great topic! Thanks for doing the research and sharing with us. Sadly I haven't been able to upsize to a big band saw for resawing so I'm mostly doing curvy work on my benchtop model. But when the day comes I'll be one step ahead now!

  • @ncwoodworker
    @ncwoodworker Год назад

    Great video! Good verbal and visual explanations. Bandsaws can be intimidating.

  • @sapelesteve
    @sapelesteve Год назад

    Well done Rob! Band saw drift is indeed a real PITA! Your explanation is right on the money! 👍👍

  • @Schurman_Scroll
    @Schurman_Scroll 11 месяцев назад

    I have the Little Ripper from stockroom supply. Works like a dream. Never use a fence when re-sawing wood!

  • @dorse72
    @dorse72 Год назад

    best video on bandsaws I've seen, gr8 job! why is my Jet 14" screeching like a banshee, only had 1 yr, fairly new to it, I've tried to check all the bearings and everything, cant figure it out. I have a 1/2" jet blade and resawing 8" wide, 2" thick white oak boards, which warp and bend when I'm done, so frustrated, new sub btw

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations Год назад

    Fantastic tips, Rob! Thanks a bunch! 😃
    Now there are some bandsaw blades with carbide teeth... Have you ever tried one?
    Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @generalinformation5284
    @generalinformation5284 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks Rob. I have the same Rikon bandsaw. I was wondering if you may comment on the factory supplied fence? My fence has a spring action that, no matter how I tighten it with the knobs, it deflects when I push against the far end of the fence. While there is less movement at the blade than at the end of the fence, it is still moving when press against it. Am I doing something wrong and/or this something that I should even be concerned about? Do you know how to fix it to make it rigid? I've tried several ways, but nothing seems to work.

  • @paulspencer7401
    @paulspencer7401 Год назад

    Been using a blade for a couple of years working perfectly. But this last couple of weeks the blade is drifting really badly. Reset the entire bandsaw but still drifts. I needed to know if it is the blade causing the problem. Many thanks for the video, very helpful.

  • @albertshilton5336
    @albertshilton5336 9 месяцев назад

    Great video. Very professionally done.

  • @PLaTerra
    @PLaTerra Год назад

    Excellent analysis! Thanks and you can count me as a new subscriber!

  • @TheStanford01
    @TheStanford01 Год назад

    Many thanks for the information. I agree with you about using good material for setting up drift.

  • @vicsaunders9710
    @vicsaunders9710 Год назад

    From the UK, excellent video, thanks 👍👏👏

  • @williamSmith-fv5hi
    @williamSmith-fv5hi Год назад

    Is it safe to say, I use a Shopsmith bandsaw and correct drift with the adjustable fence?

  • @johnr.johnston5808
    @johnr.johnston5808 Год назад +4

    Hmmm. "You can buy a pack of these door shims? Why? You have a band saw. Make your own.

  • @subgeeze
    @subgeeze Год назад

    Excellent! I just spent a day, and wasted a bunch of wood, trying to solve this. I will make a 1-point fence!

  • @jimrosson6702
    @jimrosson6702 Год назад

    Great video with great tips thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge. Greatly appreciated

  • @kofdenhamsprings2701
    @kofdenhamsprings2701 Год назад

    Been there, searched it all, tried them all...I just ordered 2 new blades. Thank you. K

  • @JohnColgan.
    @JohnColgan. Год назад

    Well you dulled the right side of the blade and I creased drift that side. Is it possible to resharpen blade edges to also counter the problem or is sharpening an engineering task?

  • @TimothyHall13
    @TimothyHall13 Год назад

    This makes me think that most bandsaw alignment videos I have watched use very new blades. If I am set on using a fence, the best solution to blade drift is to ensure I have a reasonably new/sharp blade.

  • @dtork47
    @dtork47 Год назад

    Well that was very informative, thanks. Every bit of knowledge helps.

  • @fletchro789
    @fletchro789 2 месяца назад

    Great video!

  • @zfotoguy71
    @zfotoguy71 Год назад

    Is there a side that more commonly becomes dull? If yes, is it the inside? Could be caused by the wheels that tension and drive the band saw.
    Just thinking out loud. I don't really know.

  • @nefariousyawn
    @nefariousyawn Год назад +6

    Look man it's easy - you just need to check your humidity and only cut wood at the right time of night but never while Mercury is in gatorade unless you're cutting cheap pine don't forget to buy a proper blade tension tuner they're only like $200.

  • @bamsebrumbamsebrumen5403
    @bamsebrumbamsebrumen5403 Год назад +1

    I'm sure there are many different reason why one could get drift but…😊
    I’ve had extreme troubles with bandsaw blade drift, one of things I noticed was that new blades cut straight, then started drifting more and more… I also noticed that less blade tension slowed that process.
    Then friend gave me a very old homemade bandsaw, it sawed straight plank after plank, one could even tension the blade without instantly cause a rapid increasing drift… The saw had particle board wheels and a thin rubber coating, and a noticeable crowning. I also noticed that my bought saw had a fat rubber rim than pushed against the teeth, so go figure it was ruin the blades and ruined all hopes of cutting straight

  • @johcoppola
    @johcoppola Год назад +1

    Get a EZtension tension gauge and you will find that with proper guide setup you’ll have no drift. Until your blade is ready for the bin or reshaping. The gauges on saws are useless especially over time when the springs strength has changed.

  • @lmtliam
    @lmtliam Год назад

    How about clamping the work piece to a sled, then using the sled to run the piece through the saw, without using the fence? There will be no fence to push the piece off line as the cut opens up.

  • @colaoliver1587
    @colaoliver1587 11 месяцев назад

    Single point Fence IS THE BEST. Keep the back of the blade centered in the kerf Also use a wide blade with proper tension AND do not push faster than the the blade can cut or the blade will distort causing a bowed cut.
    Tip. You find a thick piece of wood with a beautiful grain. DRAWER FRONTS!! Plane the wood then glue two drawer front blanks to each planed face. Re saw. The aim here is to then plane the veneered front to thickness. Take the good wood drop, plane flat and repeat. You now have a set of cool looking drawer fronts

  • @JLang-bn3hs
    @JLang-bn3hs Год назад

    I have found that if I keep the gullet of the blade in the center of the wheel and don’t over tighten the blade, I don’t have to fight drift. When the teeth come in contact with the wheel is ruins the set. The wheel side flattens and give it the same results as if those teeth were dull, causing the blade to drift to the right or “sharp” side.
    Dulling with a stone makes one side dull to compensate for the low set on the other side.

  • @grkuntzmd
    @grkuntzmd Год назад

    Very useful information! Thanks.

  • @boatbeard7767
    @boatbeard7767 7 месяцев назад +1

    Just set the teeth to track in the centre of the tyre, so the tension is at the gullet of the band. You can't get any band saw to track if it's tensioned at the rear of the band...

  • @anthonymangini7986
    @anthonymangini7986 Год назад

    Great vid!

  • @Hichamhasan
    @Hichamhasan Год назад +3

    My father once told me the story of an argument between a shopkeeper and a customer over a piece of cloth:
    - Merchant: "I assure you sir it is actually 3 meters long as ordered, my wife was watching me while I was cutting it, and she will testify"
    - Client: "Why would I listen to your wife when I have a tape measure!"
    My old man - similar to you - only believed in research and methodological tests,

  • @a9ball1
    @a9ball1 Год назад

    I always thought that drift on a bandsaw was caused by the blade twisting right to left since it is more flexible than a table saw blade.
    Since it appears to be caused by blade wear i don't think it would dtift if the blade was as thick as a table saw blade. Of course it wouldn't work either 😊.
    Very informative.

  • @flatroc1
    @flatroc1 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you very much for this info.

  • @vinnyleone3427
    @vinnyleone3427 Год назад

    Nice job

  • @billybobjoe2818
    @billybobjoe2818 Год назад

    you did a very good job Rob! Thanks (but I thought it was on jigsaws ! :)

  • @c.n.blodgett2942
    @c.n.blodgett2942 10 месяцев назад +1

    Alex Snodgrass method removes drift- drift is caused from an improperly setup bandsaw.

  • @civedm
    @civedm Год назад

    My 14" Rikon Came with a resaw bar that attaches to the the fence.

  • @travelmaster101
    @travelmaster101 Год назад

    The one and only issue with drift is the table and not the blade. Once the blade is fitted, there is no adjustment worthwhile that corrects drift. You can, however, adjust the table. I set the fence parallel to the mitre slot on the tabe. I put a magnet and steel rule on the blade and use the rule to exsentuate the angle of the blade. I then loosen the table mounting bolts and aline the fence and table together, to the rule / blade.
    A blunt blade on any tool will give poor results let alone a bandsaw. Its urban myth the blade is the problem when the table is the only adjustable part in the equation. If blade and fence are not parallel the cut will never be parallel, that's why I aline the fence with the table as the first step.

  • @jackpijjin4088
    @jackpijjin4088 3 месяца назад

    I love how there are at least a dozen "one and only issues" in the comments section.
    It's setup, y'all. That encompasses everything else that you're all calling the 'only' issue.
    You can set up a cheap saw to be good, or you can totally ruin a good saw with a bad setup. My grandpa killed 2 the latter way.

  • @debandmike3380
    @debandmike3380 2 месяца назад

    every video on Bandsaw drift leaves out one factor. Will the drift be the same for every board of every thickness or do you have to retest for drift every time you use a different piece of wood. for example you demonstrated a small flat piece of wood for your drift. what would happen if you then used a tall narrow board for resawing of a different species will drift be different for that?

    • @MakeThings
      @MakeThings  2 месяца назад

      So you're saying that readjusting for drift...really only works for that board, right? That's very well thought out, and I think you're right. If we tested it on a piece of pine to set the angle, it might not do the same with a piece of oak...is this what you were talking about?

  • @rayy35
    @rayy35 Год назад

    You do know that the Rikon is equiped with a center point attachment for the fence don't you?
    That what the two slots in it are for.

  • @vosifle
    @vosifle 24 дня назад

    Thank a lot!

  • @Raul28153
    @Raul28153 Год назад +1

    every single person I've encountered that experiences "drift" all share a common feature: That is They own small weak saws that can not properly tension a blade and they also use small blades that are more prone to wandering off due to the blade/kerf width ratio. Of all the people I know who own larger heavier saws, not a one has ever mentioned the thing called "drift."

  • @researchandbuild1751
    @researchandbuild1751 Год назад +1

    They DO drift. Anyone not thinking they do hasn't used a bandsaw...

  • @TheGrantAlexander
    @TheGrantAlexander Год назад

    Makes sense to me. But I still feel like in my case it is user error, lol!

  • @pc7082
    @pc7082 8 месяцев назад

    I just ordered a carbide tip bandsaw blade. It should eliminate this, since the teeth are wider than the bacl of the blade,.. Maybe ?

  • @okbelowme8078
    @okbelowme8078 2 месяца назад

    The mrballen vibes in the intro

  • @RoosterAndTheHen
    @RoosterAndTheHen Год назад +2

    I have to disagree with your assessment of why drift happens. Where can I email you what I have found to be the real reason drift happens?

    • @johnsanchez1619
      @johnsanchez1619 Год назад +1

      Can you elaborate here? I would like to know your thoughts as well.

    • @MakeThings
      @MakeThings  Год назад

      mail@makethingswithrob.com

    • @ammerudgrenda
      @ammerudgrenda Год назад +1

      Why can’t you tell the rest of us?

  • @richardlopez5992
    @richardlopez5992 Год назад +1

    Snodgrass will teach you

  • @iseenochains-oops7863
    @iseenochains-oops7863 Год назад

    Wow!

  • @garagemonkeysan
    @garagemonkeysan Год назад

    Cool video. Super interesting. Mahalo for sharing! : )

  • @Norm7264
    @Norm7264 Год назад +1

    your method of "sharpening" teeth on one side is misleading... it doesn't sharpen the teeth, it just removes some of the side of the tooth, reducing the "set" on that side. I don't think that asymmetric sharpness is the cause of drive, and you have not demonstrated it. You have demonstrated that reducing the "set" on one side could mitigate drift. Remember... correlation is not causation.

  • @btcking8146
    @btcking8146 11 месяцев назад +1

    Your bandsaw setup is wrong blade gullet to center of wheel not the whole blade in the center set guides correct as well drift is non existent in my band saw ... Good luck

  • @horsetowater
    @horsetowater Год назад

    Your thumbnail is ludicrous

  • @hdw5831
    @hdw5831 Год назад

    I don't have any problems with drift with a saw blade with widia teeth

  • @KSCPMark6742
    @KSCPMark6742 Год назад +1

    the ethAnswers/stockroom supply channel has described this issue in depth, you've (re) discovered some of the things that they've described years ago. They are the makers of the little ripper resaw system among others