Fantastic video, ironic really hearing fine tuned class 20s ticking over then seeing one of the locos that finally saw off the remaining 20s struggling to start
I bet the electric vehicle supporters wouldn't take to that! I love it myself. Just belt it out and let's have streams of merry-go-round coal trains and power stations back. Become 'old normal' again. Become human again, too
Mr B has magic touch with his babys , but this one's only cold , we use to hold racks closed to get bit heat in cylinders before cold fuel is injected , then Immingham disappeared in a smoky haze , be good once it's warm though
No buddy my mate tried an tried but only running on 4 cylinders and electric aux not working either... they needed her too for loading but wasn't to be, nothing was happening / moving as there was line block on cause of tunnel issues cracked track etc.... i could of filmed it trying for longer but i was frozen to the bridge couldn't feel my legs or hands anymore and thought may aswell get warm an go home
He didn't try very hard then, if it ran on 4 it would have picked the other 4 up with a little help on the fuel pumps, and no auxiliaries is more than likely because the engine had not picked up enough RPM. If it was below tickover they would not have cut in yet, all part of the wizardry of the beast.shame such thing was let down by someone not doing the job correctly .
@@gavin37688 Judging by the exhaust, it wasn't running on any cilinders... maybe some 'very partial' combustion going on, not more. Extremely poor start, I've never seen anything like it.
Doubt very much that it's worn out ! Looks like it's been left out in the cold to long, it should have been running for 2 hrs in every 24 to keep it warm ish. There is no preheat or cold start fitted on them, all that is required is a little forward planning that's why the twenty's are running else they would be in the same predicament !
Think you'll find it's not broken it's just cold, if people stuck to the policy of running them for a couple of hours every day or so when it gets that cold they start up no problems, but leave it for a week or so and it will let you down, a little bit of pre- planning goes a long way.
@@demil3618 dare say it could be done but was never deemed necessary, if they are run up for an hour or so every 24 - 48 hrs they will start happily down to minus 7 degrees c. Under normal circumstances they should always be warm from their last job , Only the likes of DB leave them chilling for a week then wonder why the music won't start. 66 s by the way have to be run every 24 hrs otherwise a period of " pre lube ing " is required because someone neglected to fit lube oil priming pumps to the power units
Have you ever seen or tried to start an EE loco in those temperatures, that should be banned under the Geneva convention ! Greta would be jumping up and down as well !
I personally have started these loco's in temperatures down to minus 15, only if they have been running in the previous 48 hrs, if the thing was hot when shutdown , it will take 24 hrs to cool down , it may be cool to the touch after a day or so but it will start, its only when you have ice growing on the outside of the cylinder liners that bringing it indoors to defrost a bit helps.
First, it's a 145-litre engine, which is a big hunk of metal. Second, diesel engines have no spark plugs: they work purely by compressing the fuel-air mix until it becomes so hot that it self-ignites. When the engine itself is cold, a lot of the energy from compressing the fuel and air goes into heating up the engine block, rather than raising the temperature of the fuel, so the fuel doesn't get hot enough to ignite. You see this unburnt pouring out of the exhaust. The engine can't start until the engine block has warmed up enough to allow enough heat to stay in the fuel. Diesel engines that are designed to run in cold places typically have block heaters (heating elements in the engine block to warm it up) or glow plugs (essentially, heating elements in the cylinders). The UK doesn't get particularly cold, so we don't tend to install this extra equipment. It's only needed a few days each year, and the cost of not having it is just that the engine takes a bit longer to start on those days.
More smoke than an 8f. Nice sound of the 20's. Nice job 😶🌫️
Fantastic video, ironic really hearing fine tuned class 20s ticking over then seeing one of the locos that finally saw off the remaining 20s struggling to start
James bond smoke screen.....with cold snap should be kept running.....60+ year old 20s running sweet
love the sound of choppers they remind me of the Tinsley days in the early 1980s 🥰😍🤩
Great video fella, superb chopper soundtrack 👍
Loving the 'clag'
Cheers buddy
I bet the electric vehicle supporters wouldn't take to that! I love it myself. Just belt it out and let's have streams of merry-go-round coal trains and power stations back. Become 'old normal' again. Become human again, too
but that would be too easy............
Amazing video.. thanks brother..
All I can here is the 20 whistling idling away the 60 is like smoke machine 😆
20's are a smoke machine when cold as well
Hi Peakdaleworks 37686. Exciting content. Good to use it?
Ahh the sound of a Class 20 :)
Nice video 🎥👍👍👍😎
Those Type 1s sound awesome. The 60 starts as well as I,do......
Wow that was epic 😀
Cheers buddy she totally clagged the place out smelt lovely like lol
@@gavin37688 nice one pal 👍
enjoyed the soundtrack of the 20's i thought they'd all been retired
I bet the people in the house in the foreground are glad the smoke is blowing the other way,
It's not a house, it's railway offices. JG.
OW yes
Looks like its bee converted to steam
That's the same location of where the famous vidio of the 37s went monster thrashing up the hill
Wot's the betting its been sat there all week and not been touched, a pat and a stroke in the right places from Mr. B and it will soon be galloping.
Mr B has magic touch with his babys , but this one's only cold , we use to hold racks closed to get bit heat in cylinders before cold fuel is injected , then Immingham disappeared in a smoky haze , be good once it's warm though
Bet that smelt good haha
🚂👍
Petulant old Tug refusing to start, does anybody have a can of Easy-Start?, love the Choppers happily chirping in the background.
Did it eventually get going before you ran out of battery power?!
No buddy my mate tried an tried but only running on 4 cylinders and electric aux not working either... they needed her too for loading but wasn't to be, nothing was happening / moving as there was line block on cause of tunnel issues cracked track etc.... i could of filmed it trying for longer but i was frozen to the bridge couldn't feel my legs or hands anymore and thought may aswell get warm an go home
He didn't try very hard then, if it ran on 4 it would have picked the other 4 up with a little help on the fuel pumps, and no auxiliaries is more than likely because the engine had not picked up enough RPM. If it was below tickover they would not have cut in yet, all part of the wizardry of the beast.shame such thing was let down by someone not doing the job correctly .
@@gavin37688 Judging by the exhaust, it wasn't running on any cilinders... maybe some 'very partial' combustion going on, not more. Extremely poor start, I've never seen anything like it.
I have been in there with one that had frost growing on the outside of the cylinder liners at - 10 and it struck up ok.
What are the class 20's up to?
There now behind the box in loco sidings having exams and there due to leave in a couple of days won't be doing anything now till they go
Why all the smoke for so long? Are all diesels the same?
no, just the 60 is worn out, and very cold.
Doubt very much that it's worn out ! Looks like it's been left out in the cold to long, it should have been running for 2 hrs in every 24 to keep it warm ish. There is no preheat or cold start fitted on them, all that is required is a little forward planning that's why the twenty's are running else they would be in the same predicament !
I think it's fair to say that the class 60 was broken
Nice sounds from the 20s
Think you'll find it's not broken it's just cold, if people stuck to the policy of running them for a couple of hours every day or so when it gets that cold they start up no problems, but leave it for a week or so and it will let you down, a little bit of pre- planning goes a long way.
@@moelSiabod14334 Why not fit some block heaters?
I know that DB's class 215/218 e.g. were never meant to be started below 40° water temperature.
@@demil3618 dare say it could be done but was never deemed necessary, if they are run up for an hour or so every 24 - 48 hrs they will start happily down to minus 7 degrees c. Under normal circumstances they should always be warm from their last job , Only the likes of DB leave them chilling for a week then wonder why the music won't start.
66 s by the way have to be run every 24 hrs otherwise a period of " pre lube ing " is required because someone neglected to fit lube oil priming pumps to the power units
Have you ever seen or tried to start an EE loco in those temperatures, that should be banned under the Geneva convention !
Greta would be jumping up and down as well !
I personally have started these loco's in temperatures down to minus 15, only if they have been running in the previous 48 hrs, if the thing was hot when shutdown , it will take 24 hrs to cool down , it may be cool to the touch after a day or so but it will start, its only when you have ice growing on the outside of the cylinder liners that bringing it indoors to defrost a bit helps.
Why do they take so long to start?
First, it's a 145-litre engine, which is a big hunk of metal. Second, diesel engines have no spark plugs: they work purely by compressing the fuel-air mix until it becomes so hot that it self-ignites. When the engine itself is cold, a lot of the energy from compressing the fuel and air goes into heating up the engine block, rather than raising the temperature of the fuel, so the fuel doesn't get hot enough to ignite. You see this unburnt pouring out of the exhaust. The engine can't start until the engine block has warmed up enough to allow enough heat to stay in the fuel.
Diesel engines that are designed to run in cold places typically have block heaters (heating elements in the engine block to warm it up) or glow plugs (essentially, heating elements in the cylinders). The UK doesn't get particularly cold, so we don't tend to install this extra equipment. It's only needed a few days each year, and the cost of not having it is just that the engine takes a bit longer to start on those days.
We seem to have a technical problem, while we try to sort it out here's some music from the fabulous 20s😊
Shame having the 20 running in the background, you can't hear the 60
The class 20's made that video.
Yes you can just hear the tug turning over slightly but atleast the fumes from the Choppers were giving us a bit of heat
@@akcbcmcb Cheers buddy they were sat there all day Whistling away
The cranking’s over but the choppers soldier on..
Global Warming Cause? 🤔😂
cow and bull farts-methane gas ruining the atmosphere.
And bullshit out of peoples mouths..