Aerotrains - The Forgotten Train Experiments

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    In the time between steam and Deisel / Electric power, a couple of train locomotives tried propulsion sources from aircraft, be that propellers or jets in an attempt to make faster more powerful trains with varying degrees of success but ultimately they were shunted into the sidings of the history books. This is a look at Aerotrains and why they didn't take off.
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Комментарии • 649

  • @ohnomyhandleistaken
    @ohnomyhandleistaken 3 года назад +33

    Now the footage of the Schienenzeppelin pulling in that train station is amazing. The contrast between how modern that thing looks versus the contemporary surroundings and the old grainy footage really highlights how much ahead that machine was for its time. Even if the aerotrain concept didn't work out, it was super advanced in so many other ways.

  • @theJellyjoker
    @theJellyjoker 3 года назад +120

    I'm leaving on a jet train, don't know when I'll be back again.

    • @lrrrruleroftheplanetomicro6881
      @lrrrruleroftheplanetomicro6881 3 года назад +8

      Please don't return at night, caus we'll hear you from a mile away.

    • @Coastfog
      @Coastfog 3 года назад +1

      First I was like "Oh that's what they were singing about!"
      Then I was like "Wait a minute, they didn't sing about a train"

    • @carbon_no6
      @carbon_no6 2 года назад +1

      Cool story, bro!

  • @matthiasmay1977
    @matthiasmay1977 3 года назад +65

    Please make a video about the French Aérotrain.
    It run on a concrete track on a air cushion and was powered by turboprops.

    • @fjarle
      @fjarle 3 года назад +2

      There were jet powered prototypes as well. In the L'AEROTRAIN, ACTE I-video one of them seems to be running with an afterburner as well. The mashup of the insane old railway project + Queen - The Show Must Go On is one of the best videos on this entire service. I keep coming back to it after 14 years. I think a few of the smallest prototype models are still being shipped around as attractions at different technical fairs and exhibitions. Otherwise it's a pretty unknown thing. So sad that the funding dried up - they really seem to have been on to something :/

    • @jebise1126
      @jebise1126 3 года назад +3

      @@fjarle not really. few videos pointed out that they would have to build whole new tracks. for TGV it can run on existing tracks.

    • @pg245091
      @pg245091 3 года назад +2

      There's already a good one by Mustard

  • @wramsey2656
    @wramsey2656 3 года назад +23

    I grew up next to a railroad in the 1970s and the diesel electrics were a sound we all grew use to. I cannot imagine jet powered trains coming by, it would have given you the sensation of living next to an airport and a rock quarry (dust and debris) at the same time lol.

    • @CuriousDroid
      @CuriousDroid  3 года назад +5

      From what i read about the Black Beetle, you didn't really hear it until it had gone past which if you see the footage of it, it's kicking up all sorts of dust and debris. Imagine waiting at a crossing when one when past, not exactly a pleasant experience.

    • @wramsey2656
      @wramsey2656 3 года назад +4

      @@CuriousDroid indeed, it would have dampened public support in no time.

  • @roryrafferty4589
    @roryrafferty4589 3 года назад +70

    The best way to start the week is with a new curious droid video! Thanks Mr. Shillito

    • @craigduncan4826
      @craigduncan4826 3 года назад +2

      Wait.. Mr Schillito..? I thought he was Mr Droid?
      Renowned for being inquisitive and curious, hence the moniker of “good old Curious Droid”.
      We may need some school friends or shirt tailor to confirm.

    • @439sparky1
      @439sparky1 3 года назад +1

      AND starting with a pun

    • @Rytis36
      @Rytis36 3 года назад +1

      Amen

  • @jpsholland
    @jpsholland 3 года назад +246

    In those days the jet engine was still a new thing. They thought it could be used for everything, planes, trains and automobiles. But also motorcycles, bicycles, and wristwatches....
    It still wonders me why there is no jetpunk just like steampunk and cyberpunk.

    • @djolley61
      @djolley61 3 года назад +6

      Jay Leno has a turbine powered motorcycle.

    • @903strikerunit
      @903strikerunit 3 года назад +21

      Jet punk is a sideline to atompunk..

    • @SneakyTravels
      @SneakyTravels 3 года назад +3

      ..or propellerpunk

    • @Joopyter724
      @Joopyter724 3 года назад +7

      Like nuclear reactors when they were first invented like how Ford designed a nuclear car (imagine car crashes)

    • @gabelbart
      @gabelbart 3 года назад +4

      Id like to see that wristwatch.... :D

  • @Fragaut
    @Fragaut 3 года назад +34

    Oh no ! You forgot to talk about the Bertin Aérotrain, riding on air cushions with two full scale prototypes built, one using linear induction motor and the other a ducted propeller. Next video, may be?

    • @pjotrtje0NL
      @pjotrtje0NL 3 года назад +1

      Already covered elsewhere...

    • @Fragaut
      @Fragaut 3 года назад +3

      @@pjotrtje0NL Not by Curious Droid and I think he could do a good job on it. It's an interesting story.

  • @sbvera13
    @sbvera13 3 года назад +113

    Puns that perfectly placed do not require excuses.

    • @mpireoutdoors5274
      @mpireoutdoors5274 3 года назад +6

      No permission prescribed for perfectly placed puns.

    • @walangchahangyelingden8252
      @walangchahangyelingden8252 3 года назад +1

      In my opinion, if you don't say "excuse the pun" the pun is hard to notice. So, for perfect delivery, it is necessary to say it.

    • @askhowiknow5527
      @askhowiknow5527 2 года назад +1

      @@mpireoutdoors5274 What about awful astringent alliteration from an absolute australopith that doesn’t know what a pun is?

  • @burningSHADOW42
    @burningSHADOW42 3 года назад +182

    On the pronunciation of "Schienenzeppelin":
    The secondtime he used the word in the video was actually quite close, to the German pronunciation.
    "Schienen" is pronounced like "She-nan" with "she" like the female pronoun und "nan" like the colloquial term for grandma.
    The pronunciation of "Zeppelin" in this video ist not bad, but the "z" in German is pronounced like the "ts" in "hurts".
    So the closest thing in english would look something like "She-nan-tseppelin"

    • @the_jcbone
      @the_jcbone 3 года назад +27

      Pretty much what I just planned to write. I just don't get why english speakers can't distinguish between "IE" and "EI".

    • @burningSHADOW42
      @burningSHADOW42 3 года назад +15

      @@the_jcbone another comment gave me a clue on that. In words like "shine" the "i" is pronounced like the German "ei" so to an English speaker "Schien" probably looks like "shine"

    • @the_jcbone
      @the_jcbone 3 года назад +1

      @@burningSHADOW42 yeah, that may be it.

    • @untruelie2640
      @untruelie2640 3 года назад +11

      Also, the second "e" in "Zeppelin" is actually pronounced like the first one (some english speakers do leave it out) and the emphasis is on the first syllable ("Ze") as well as on the last one "in"). So it's actually pronounced "SHE-nan-TSE-peh-LEEN".
      Can this thread become more german? :D

    • @harrisonbergeron9746
      @harrisonbergeron9746 3 года назад +3

      nobody cares

  • @liquidmakor6793
    @liquidmakor6793 3 года назад +13

    I very rarely comment on RUclips, but Paul, this sort of content is really quality and hard to come by

    • @nielsdebakker3283
      @nielsdebakker3283 3 года назад

      If only he would pronounce the word schienen correctly, it is not scheinen...

  • @OctoChad
    @OctoChad 3 года назад +37

    No mention of the french aerotrain, and the 18 km test track still visible today?

    • @maxant4285
      @maxant4285 3 года назад +10

      I was surprised he skipped that one.

    • @fridaycaliforniaa236
      @fridaycaliforniaa236 3 года назад +3

      @@maxant4285 Yup same. We have a nice piece of Railroad History with those trains =)

    • @Balthorium
      @Balthorium 3 года назад

      Maybe because it was more monorail?

    • @king40606
      @king40606 3 года назад +5

      I think Mustard did a video on that one

    • @tobiwan001
      @tobiwan001 3 года назад +2

      Probably because it was not a traditional train, but a completely new hovertrain system.

  • @raoulkirner492
    @raoulkirner492 3 года назад +52

    As always - great video! Yet, being a native German speaker, I'd like to offer an insight in the pronounciation of "Schienenzeppelin":
    In German, "i" is pronounced as the "e" in english, or as in "is" or "in". If combined with an "e" before the "i", i.e. "ei", this then is pronounced as the typical english "i" as in "eye".
    Yet, if combined with an "e" behind the "i", i.e. "ie" as in "Schienenzeppelin", it extends the "i", like in "beer" or "meat".
    Other than than: pretty decent pronounciation of "Schienzeppelin" for a brit *tips hat*

    • @1911doc
      @1911doc 3 года назад +1

      Dude, the same thing here :D It hurt the ears

    • @antman7673
      @antman7673 3 года назад +2

      Ch [eat] + [M] ea [t] n+[Kar] en t+zapp[ing] a lin [en]
      Sch ie nen Zepp e lin
      Schie - nen ...pause(new Word)... Zep-pelin

    • @1911doc
      @1911doc 3 года назад +2

      @Bitterman Better to be know it all than not knowing it at all...

    • @namefinder
      @namefinder 3 года назад +4

      @Bitterman funny, considering how often Brits like to tell anyone else in the world to "speak proper English".

    • @raoulkirner492
      @raoulkirner492 3 года назад +3

      @Bitterman why feel attacked? This is about sharing done insights into German prononciation, which is as difficult as any... And as the rest of the "Schienenzeppelin" is already very good, maybe this helps to get it to 100% :)

  • @TheZxman
    @TheZxman 3 года назад +5

    The sound of that train with a prop spinning passing must have been wild!!!

  • @Gunstick
    @Gunstick 3 года назад +7

    I am surprised you missed out on the aeorotrain itself. The french one. Called aero because it had no wheels like a maglev, but levitating on an air cushion. Interesting that some of the hypeloop concepts also use air cushion.

  • @92sepp
    @92sepp 3 года назад +1

    Really nice and informative documentary.
    There exists another project of the same kind in France which is called "Aérotrain". There are some prototypes of it kept by an association in Versailles which I could visit a few years ago. These vehicles, developed around 50 years ago, are really fascinating. The main difference of the other Aerotrains is, that the Aérotrain hovers (like a hovercraft) on a cussion of air over a single rail. The airflow for this cussion, generated by the turbine, isblown out over a lot of tubes on the bottom side of the vehicle. I was told that this rail was mounted on a "bridge" high over the ground. Some parts of the test rail is still existing, but I don't remember where in France. The project started under president Pompidou and ended after his dead because his follower didn't appreciate this technology, I was told.

  • @iandavidson99
    @iandavidson99 3 года назад +3

    Purely from a propulsion perspective, thrust-jets simply aren't suitable for trains. Although they provide *phenomenal* power, the trust/torque they provide is comparatively low - not ideal for shifting a heavy train. If you want to use a "jet" to power a train, you use a gas-turbine, which is just a jet engine driving a gearbox, such as on a helicopter, M1 Abrams tank or the Union Pacific turbine trains

  • @kingnotail3838
    @kingnotail3838 3 года назад +10

    You know you're an uber-nerd when you recognise the engines from the B-36 bomber ;D

  • @joshuasims5421
    @joshuasims5421 3 года назад +20

    Bullet trains with giant propellers should be their own aesthetic. Is it steampunk? Gearpunk? Dieselpunk? Propellerpunk? Anyway, watch out for low-flying aircraft!

  • @threeparots1
    @threeparots1 3 года назад +2

    The CN Turbo jet train ran between Montreal and Toronto as well as a sister train set from 1970 till 1984 in Canada. With some short breaks for engineering upgrade. This had 4 St-6 engine driving the wheel directly with their power turbines. Not overly economical, but they did break some high speed records and they did run in normal service for some time.

  • @Root3264
    @Root3264 3 года назад +18

    It's a good day when curious droid uploads

  • @PaulA-zp7hn
    @PaulA-zp7hn 3 года назад +21

    Yessss, the Droid returns!
    Always top content.

  • @gerogyzurkov2259
    @gerogyzurkov2259 3 года назад +14

    Detail tgv Gas turbine one too. Short lived was when TGV was running on gas turbines for 1-3 years before the switch to the familiar electric TGV.

    • @kauske
      @kauske 3 года назад +1

      We had some locos and rolling stock like that in Canada too, with other odd features that made the whole thing incompatible with standard rolling stock.

    • @drboze6781
      @drboze6781 3 года назад +1

      In the US, Union Pacific dabbled in gas turbine locomotives (for freight) that got nicknamed "the Big Blows". They produced up to 10,000 hp and worked well, but the Korean War drove the cost of Bunker C oil up so they were no longer viable. Apparently the noise was terrific, and non-stop, as the turbine drove a generator and were single speed.

    • @enisra_bowman
      @enisra_bowman 3 года назад

      No, it wasn't mentioned because the Video was not about such trains!
      Yes, a Gasturbine is the same Thing as a Jet Engine sans the large Fan in the front, but they drive the wheels, but this Video was about trains driven by the Trust from a Jet Engine or Propeller

    • @zeroone8800
      @zeroone8800 3 года назад

      The big problem with gas turbine operation is idle and low speed energy use. The only way for it to work would be a turbo-generator-battery-motor set up. When the turbine is on it is at its most efficient speed, otherwise it is off.
      The reason Otto and Diesel engines dominate the internal combustion engine game is that they are deep throttling without a large loss of efficiency. With series hybrids, engines that are more efficient in a narrow operational range can now be used. The only mainline manufacturer that appears to be experimenting with this is Mazda with the Wankel. The Wankel has the same problem as the gas turbine a narrow efficient operational range.

    • @Dave_Sisson
      @Dave_Sisson 3 года назад

      One of the pre-war British railway companies built a "Turbomotive" which ran off a steam turbine they got from a company that made turbines for ships.

  • @fabiank485
    @fabiank485 3 года назад +10

    As a German, your pronunciation of Schienenzeppelin is hilarious. Absolutely brilliant 😄

    • @nadirnadir7384
      @nadirnadir7384 3 года назад +1

      He's not a native German... to be honest I can't even pronounce it right even after trained 10 minutes following Google assistant 😂

    • @Pascal-uc6tr
      @Pascal-uc6tr 3 года назад

      Schainenzeppelin ;)

    • @rockyblacksmith
      @rockyblacksmith 3 года назад

      @@nadirnadir7384 This one ain't complicated though, he just got the pronunciation of the "ie" wrong. The "Schie" in "Schienenzeppelin" is pronounced just like the English "she". And he got the rest of the word decently right.

  • @markusjuenemann
    @markusjuenemann 3 года назад +17

    "ie" is to be pronounced in german like "ee" in english. Think of "Sheenantsappalin". Besides that: A really good video, as always.

    • @PrecisionEngineeredJank
      @PrecisionEngineeredJank 3 года назад

      Sheenen-tseppaleen in my opinion but yes. Scheinenzeppelin would be something more "stealthy" haha

    • @79iGEL
      @79iGEL 3 года назад +1

      @@PrecisionEngineeredJank Shining zeppelin 😉
      I guess, Paul confused the pronunciation of ie with ei, in which case it would have been impressive for a none native speaker.

  • @F_L_U_X
    @F_L_U_X 3 года назад +69

    10:32 I'm just picturing two of those giant jet engines floating in front of the train like a Racer pod from Star Wars.

    • @jpsholland
      @jpsholland 3 года назад +1

      Maybe the idea of the Star Wars racing pods came from this trains.

    • @CaptainM792
      @CaptainM792 3 года назад

      Now this is podracing.

  • @moskitosTR
    @moskitosTR 3 года назад +17

    Hats off to great teacher

  • @greghanson5696
    @greghanson5696 3 года назад +1

    The pod containing the twin General Electric J47 engines was first used on the Boeing B-47 Stratojet, then added to the Convair B-36 Peacemaker D model.

  • @deathpacito_8273
    @deathpacito_8273 3 года назад +9

    its SCHIENENzeppelin, not Scheinen....
    ie, not ei

  • @Elkatook666
    @Elkatook666 3 года назад +3

    a really interesting design can be seen in The Man in the High Castle - season 4, episode 10. they have an elevated jet powered monorail.
    elevating the tracks negates the dust and debris from having the tracks on the ground.
    great video, as always

    • @CuriousDroid
      @CuriousDroid  3 года назад +1

      Good point, George Bennie in the UK did a propeller powered monorail in the late 1920s early 30s, they built a 120 meter test track but despite a lot of interest at the time no one was prepared to back it and it became another footnote in the history books and Bennie went bankroupt developing it with his own money :-(

  • @Grasomat
    @Grasomat 3 года назад +5

    Shynen = Scheinen
    Sheenen = Schienen

  • @fonitronik
    @fonitronik 3 года назад +5

    To whom it may concern, Schienenzeppelin is spoken more like "sheenen" than like "shinen".

  • @DownToNerd
    @DownToNerd 3 года назад +115

    "exuse the pun" - oh your pun has been excused, traight to the upvote!

    • @Tjalve70
      @Tjalve70 3 года назад

      Probably due to a lack of wings.

  • @OzzProg
    @OzzProg 3 года назад +2

    I prefer your "space" content, but I still appreciate ones such as these... they're so well made, and your narration is entertaining & informative. Thanks!

  • @peterisaksson9915
    @peterisaksson9915 3 года назад +1

    This video reminds me the we humans tend to be stubborn when it comes to trying something that initially seems like a good idea, making the same mistakes over and over again. It´s probably the best quality we have as it makes us experts in what we do, and most likely the worst as it makes us repeat our greatest mistakes.
    Great video!

  • @Night4fingers
    @Night4fingers 3 года назад +32

    There was also a french prototype of another type of Aerotrain - this time, instead of using standard rail it used an inverted T-shaped monorail made of concrete and rode on a form of aircushion.
    Problems were numerous, and it was also fairly noisy, so it was quickly dropped.

    • @radioactive9861
      @radioactive9861 3 года назад +2

      Night4fingers, YES! I saw the French train you are referring to on a tv show..."What on Earth?"(I think that was the name of it). Was hoping it would be covered here on Curious Droid, but...whoops!

    • @Night4fingers
      @Night4fingers 3 года назад +2

      @@radioactive9861 Curious Droid covered only the air-propelled conventional rail here. The french aerotrain (that was the actual name) was not, I can see why it wouldn't be kept for the video.

    • @maxant4285
      @maxant4285 3 года назад +3

      @@Night4fingers he covered all types of aerotrains but excluded the French one that was literally called "aerotrain".

  • @RogerM88
    @RogerM88 3 года назад +20

    Curious droid amazing us again with his good content and lovely colorful shirts.

  • @nalstudio_official
    @nalstudio_official 3 года назад +1

    Usually when I come back to watch these old channels I haven't watched in years, I get disappointed, because the content is not the same, but I am happy to report that curious droid is one of the few channels that are just like I remembered them as

  • @jacquesblaque7728
    @jacquesblaque7728 3 года назад +1

    About the "continuously-welded rail" for the NYC jet-RDC, if you look at both tracks at 8:50, you'll see both tracks are jointed rail, so NO. Reportedly small sections of the route were welded rail. Turbojet efficiency is NOT determined by platform speed, but by power output: as power is reduced from permissible peak, efficiency drops much more rapidly. This project was not intended as a prototype of anything, rather an experiment to assess usability of these tracks for high speeds. Al Perlman was aboard. Facts still matter HTH.

  • @pwmiles56
    @pwmiles56 3 года назад +4

    Brilliant! I well remember a ride on the Shinkansen in 1979, station staff enforcing the 1 minute platform stops (Japanese style). How about a monorail video, e.g. the famous Brennan?

  • @globetlottel
    @globetlottel 3 года назад

    My first toy rail vehicle as a kid was the Schienenzeppelin. I’m amazed to see the real thing in videos today for the first time!

    • @globetlottel
      @globetlottel 3 года назад

      Also, come on, Märklin, those were supposed to be single axles front and rear!

  • @andie_pants
    @andie_pants 3 года назад +12

    Can we take a moment to appreciate the versatility of the word "bogey"? It's:
    1) Humphrey Bogart's nickname
    2) an unfortunate golf score
    3) the man who haunts your nightmares (alternately here in the US: "boogeyman". Our version sounds much more fun.)
    4) one's opponent in an aerial dogfight
    5) the thing that holds train wheels

    • @overkill1340
      @overkill1340 3 года назад +6

      #4 is an unidentified aircraft. Your opponent would be a bandit.

    • @andie_pants
      @andie_pants 3 года назад +2

      ... and thanks to the Slow Mo Guys, I also know it's what I in Ohio would call a booger. You call your nebulous bad guy essentially... booger-man? That's badass.

    • @andie_pants
      @andie_pants 3 года назад +1

      @@overkill1340 Right on. I'm just going off what Hollywood has taught me. :-P

    • @ufx808
      @ufx808 3 года назад +1

      It's also the name given to that little hard something that one finds up one's nose. Well it is in the UK, anyway.

    • @andie_pants
      @andie_pants 3 года назад +1

      @@ufx808 Haha! Thanks to Dan from The Slow Mo Guys I also knew that one, but forgot it. Sending you a "Cheers, mate!" from Ohio. :-)

  • @papabits5721
    @papabits5721 3 года назад +5

    Canadian National Railway played around with a turbine powered engine, I remember my dad taking us to see it.

  • @maf421
    @maf421 3 года назад +1

    I live just a few miles where the NYC jet car was tested. Absolutely flat, straight trackage with crossings only every mile or so, and towns every five miles. (Sidefact: Most of these towns only exist because they were refuel / station stops when the railroad was originally built) Plus it was surrounded by mostly fields of corn and soybeans in season.

  • @ZemplinTemplar
    @ZemplinTemplar 3 года назад +5

    Another great video. Here's another suggestion for a future video: Man-powered aircraft experimentation and records. Aircraft like the SUMPAC, AeroVironment's Gossamer series, the MIT Light Eagle and Daedalus, and others.

    • @sprint955st
      @sprint955st 3 года назад

      Agreed. The record for crossing the English Channel human powered flight is 42 years old, time it was broken, surely?

  • @rox3815
    @rox3815 3 года назад

    In the late 1940s, the British electrical engineer Eric Laithwaite, a professor at Imperial College London, developed the first full-size working model of the linear induction motor. He became professor of heavy electrical engineering at Imperial College in 1964, where he continued his successful development of the linear motor.[5] Since linear motors do not require physical contact between the vehicle and guideway, they became a common fixture on advanced transportation systems in the 1960s and '70s. Laithwaite joined one such project, the Tracked Hovercraft, although the project was cancelled in 1973.[6]
    The linear motor was naturally suited to use with maglev systems as well. In the early 1970s, Laithwaite discovered a new arrangement of magnets, the magnetic river, that allowed a single linear motor to produce both lift and forward thrust, allowing a maglev system to be built with a single set of magnets. Working at the British Rail Research Division in Derby, along with teams at several civil engineering firms, the "transverse-flux" system was developed into a working system.

  • @Tsagan
    @Tsagan 3 года назад +10

    Aerotrains in the title but doesn't talk about the French Aerotrains :(
    And it's the coolest one, it's hovering and everything

    • @benespection
      @benespection 3 года назад +3

      Came here to say the same thing - The Aérotrains were jet engine based monorails on elevated rails - totally cool concept :) it's strange, I was waiting all video to see this come up.. What's weird is I even think I remember seeing a Curious Droid video featuring the french aérotrain experiments but maybe my mind is just playing tricks on me - it would totally be in the style of this channel though.

    • @WhitzWolf92
      @WhitzWolf92 3 года назад +3

      @@benespection I was thinking the same thing, but I think I'm getting wires crossed with a Mustard video.

  • @johnjephcote7636
    @johnjephcote7636 3 года назад +1

    Do not forget the George Bennie 'Railplane' suspended from an (over-engineered) overhead gantry at Milngarvie above the railway line? It had a pusher airscrew and was built by Wm.Beardmore. There are some short films of the inventor and the Beardmore works and its short test runs, one above a very smoke-emitting tank engine.

  • @TioDeive
    @TioDeive 3 года назад +3

    Everyday with a new Curious Droid video is a good day! Thank you!.

  • @cmuller1441
    @cmuller1441 3 года назад +6

    You completely missed the French monorail from the 70's. The hyperloop of that time...
    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A9rotrain

    • @Cartoonman154
      @Cartoonman154 3 года назад +1

      Even though the concept of 'Hyperloop' is nearly a hundred years old by Robert Goddard.

    • @paulhaynes8045
      @paulhaynes8045 3 года назад

      Indeed - that's what I expected this video to be about! I think we tried developing something similar in the UK too, but I can't remember the details (and might be making this up!).

  • @lukeearthcrawler896
    @lukeearthcrawler896 3 года назад +5

    Unacceptable noise levels seems to be one of those problems we somehow need to rediscover every decade or so. Today, the issue is with drone delivery of mail packages. Imagine having thousands or tens of thousands of these whizzing around neighborhoods. But hey.. I'm sure this time beating the air into submission like a helicopter does will turn out differently.

    • @ironcito1101
      @ironcito1101 3 года назад +1

      We do have billions of explosion-powered vehicles that make it very noisy near a highway or busy street, so sometimes we tolerate the noise. As far as the future of deliveries, though, I see something like electric self-driving scooters being better than flying drones, at least in the vast majority of situations.

    • @lukeearthcrawler896
      @lukeearthcrawler896 3 года назад +1

      @@ironcito1101 Yes, we do... and all these billion vehicles have mufflers. Imagine NYC streets with cars w/o mufflers. Have you seen a helicopter with a muffler? Yeah... me neither. As someone said: Helicopters do not fly. They beat the air into submission". Guess what? So are drones... especially if they have to lift heavy packages and a a hefty battery pack. But I agree with you regarding scooters. These are the way to go: they're actually quiet, reliable and if they make them with swappable battery packs like our 40V Ryobi power tools, that would definitely work.

    • @ironcito1101
      @ironcito1101 3 года назад

      @@lukeearthcrawler896 If it came down to cheap, fast, noisy drones or expensive, slow, inconvenient (but quiet) deliveries, we'd tolerate the noise. Noise is not the only factor, is what I'm saying. That's why we tolerate noisy cars, aircraft, sledgehammers and whatnot, and we'd tolerate drones if they were the best option, altough I don't think they will.

  • @Wario512
    @Wario512 3 года назад +6

    It's Sch-ie-nzeppelin, not Sch-ei-nenzeppelin as you spell it (ie = a long ee like in speed, not an i as in like), despite that great video!

  • @johnpsymqepdfq8492
    @johnpsymqepdfq8492 3 года назад

    Good video. A note about the NYC Jet RDC car. If you look at 8m:58s in the video, you'll notice the track wasn't welded. I vaguely recall reading that the track used was "resurfaced" for the test, but was standard jointed track. I also vaguely recall reading that Al Perlman was in the car during the record test run.

    • @colbeausabre8842
      @colbeausabre8842 Год назад

      New York Central's "Black Beetle" It was never intended to be a prototype, it was strictly to see how fast a conventional train could go on conventional track. "The construct was then successfully sent on test runs over the existing tracks between Butler, Indiana, and Stryker, Ohio.. The line had been chosen for its arrow-straight layout and good condition, but otherwise unmodified track. On July 23, 1966, the car reached a speed of 183.68 mph (295.6 km/h), an American rail speed record that still stands today.
      Even with this spectacular performance, and even though it had been built relatively cheaply, using existing parts, the project was not considered viable commercially. The railroad gathered valuable test data regarding the stresses of high-speed rail travel on conventional equipment and tracks then existing in America"

  • @NICEFINENEWROBOT
    @NICEFINENEWROBOT 3 года назад +96

    Psst! It's pronounced "Sheenan-Tsappelene".
    ?:o)

    • @eSKAone-
      @eSKAone- 3 года назад +5

      His pronunciation is horrible 🙈

    • @douglasparkinson4123
      @douglasparkinson4123 3 года назад +6

      @@eSKAone- you cant blame him. hes a brit.

    • @ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681
      @ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 3 года назад +9

      @@ossory9015 Scheissezeppelin?

    • @markusjuenemann
      @markusjuenemann 3 года назад +9

      @@douglasparkinson4123 I´m a German and I´d be proud if my english pronunciation would be as good as his german pronunciation... But, to be honest: Google could have told him how to pronounce it...

    • @douglasparkinson4123
      @douglasparkinson4123 3 года назад +2

      @Bitterman name doesnt lie huh. you sound real bitter

  • @robertkerr4199
    @robertkerr4199 3 года назад +1

    Cars have been designed using all the same technologies tried in other forms of transport. Prior to the model T, steam powered cars were top sellers... diesel, steam, nuclear... even turbines and jets have all been tried in cars

  • @chrisnorman1183
    @chrisnorman1183 3 года назад +1

    Almost 1 Million subs, lets get it done everybody!

  • @gabrielleraul488
    @gabrielleraul488 3 года назад +1

    Came here for the shirt, not disappointed! ❤️

  • @stephenirwin2761
    @stephenirwin2761 2 года назад

    Nicely done, as usual, Paul!

  • @lundimardi1975
    @lundimardi1975 3 года назад +1

    Arrgggghhh!! An entire video where Schienenzeppelin is ruinously pronounced! It's like nails down a blackboard for German speakers every single time you hear it!

  • @jock364
    @jock364 3 года назад +9

    Have you forgotten the Bennie Railplane in Milngavie, Scotland?

    • @francisboyle1739
      @francisboyle1739 3 года назад +1

      Not only propeller driven but a monorail to boot!

    • @creepingjesus5106
      @creepingjesus5106 3 года назад

      I used to work nearby the site of it, I'd have loved to see it in action. Even the (early 90s) some of the concrete footings for the pylons were hiding in the grass by the Allander Sports Centre!

  • @maxart3392
    @maxart3392 3 года назад

    It surprises me a bit that you haven't even mentioned the French "Turbotrain", which was developed in the 1960s and powered by helicopter turbo engines. Apart from the fact that it paved the way for the TGV project, it was actually a successful design and those trains were in service for years, actually until recently, mainly on the non electirfied lines, such as Paris - Cherbourg or Lyon - Bordeaux. I remember travelling on one back in 1977 from Caen to Paris. And it was fast, certainly faster than diesel powered trains.

  • @DaveNarn
    @DaveNarn 3 года назад +2

    Jet + Train is awesome.
    Wile E Coyote couldn't have come up with a better idea.

  • @nimbly1693
    @nimbly1693 3 года назад +4

    With the fact that around 60-65% of the English speakers in the world are in the United States, I appreciate you including miles in your description.

    • @alastairward2774
      @alastairward2774 3 года назад +7

      He does talk a lot about obsolete stuff.

    • @mattjones1992
      @mattjones1992 3 года назад +1

      He’s English. You know us English still use miles right?

  • @kiggi__
    @kiggi__ 3 года назад +1

    another awsome video, love these short informative technology videos

  • @railfanningstuff8333
    @railfanningstuff8333 3 года назад +1

    That opening line was an awesome movie

  • @Nebarus
    @Nebarus 3 года назад +1

    Now a video please about the tries to power planes with ship paddle wheels :)

  • @warhead_beast7661
    @warhead_beast7661 3 года назад +1

    We still have a Schienenzeppelin in the Dresdener Verkehrsmusem in Dresden, Saxony. It is in not a good shape tho but it still exists

    • @CuriousDroid
      @CuriousDroid  3 года назад +1

      Maybe its second prototype but good to know that something may have survived.

    • @warhead_beast7661
      @warhead_beast7661 3 года назад

      @@CuriousDroid sadly i mixed something up, it is the DR 137 155 also made by Kruckenberg but its not the Schienenzeppelin

  • @Lucky32Luke
    @Lucky32Luke 3 года назад +2

    I am glad I have subscribed to Magellan about a year ago to make my 9 year old to watch science and technology (instead of playing Minecraft). Without it, I feel I would just raise another Elon Musk fan. (Without our vast history in engineering and science every idea seems to be a new one until you find that it has been invented, thought out, engineered and tried and failed before.) Thanks to you and other YT technology minded people I can show that not every idea is genuinely new, in fact many of them has been stolen or redesigned old idea with a shiny new computer generated coating. Great video as always, even if I was fortunate to watch many Magellan documentary this is a really good work and many details you have been added to it giving a greater perspective. Keep up the good work!

  • @NPJGlobal
    @NPJGlobal 3 года назад +1

    Paul, please make a video about the legendary french aerotrain!

  • @arnepianocanada
    @arnepianocanada 3 года назад

    Congratulations from 🇨🇦 Canada on the fine program - your excellent voice and clarity of speech enhancing it.

  • @A.Lifecraft
    @A.Lifecraft 3 года назад

    What could have been mentioned here is the german Trans Europa Express (TEE) type 601 . Directly deriving from Kruckenberg principles, some trains where later converted to type 602, which, allowing for additional carts, where equipped with turboshaft engines, doubling overall power from 1620kW to 3234kW. Gasturbine engines where considered unreliable and did never receive as much research and development as diesel engines did in germany. When type 602 went out of service in 1979, the ICE, Germanys competitor to Frances TGV and Japans Shinkansen was already in development using asynchronous electric motors.

  • @RaimoKangasniemi
    @RaimoKangasniemi 3 года назад

    Abakovsky, dying in 1921, was not - if I pathetically nitpick - a Soviet, as Soviet Union was established in 1922. Very interesting video!

  • @ervorpagel
    @ervorpagel 3 года назад

    It is so refreshing to here comments from German speakers.

  • @lemdixon01
    @lemdixon01 3 года назад +2

    I've also seen prototype trains with jet engines not for population, but the turbine to generate electricity to power the electric motors on the wheels.

    • @johnpsymqepdfq8492
      @johnpsymqepdfq8492 3 года назад

      The French TGV001 was turbine powered:, search for "turbine tgv" if the link doesn't show up. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TGV_001#:~:text=The%20TGV%20001%20was%20an,program%20on%20high%20rail%20speeds.

  • @mr.mendez515
    @mr.mendez515 3 года назад +1

    one of favorites videos!! thanks

  • @frankgulla2335
    @frankgulla2335 3 года назад

    Thank you for the nice and concise history of aero-jet railroads.

  • @override7486
    @override7486 3 года назад +3

    Looks like something straight from the Fallout series. Sick.

  • @ODBZapper
    @ODBZapper 3 года назад +1

    I'm hoping this leads to a followup video on the Aerotrain concepts icluding the TACRV, LIMRV and UTACV

  • @thegalli
    @thegalli 3 года назад +7

    Thanks for another great one Paul

  • @Mishn0
    @Mishn0 3 года назад

    The engine pod used on the "Black Beetle" was also the same as the inboard engine pods on the B-47. That's where the B-36s got them from.

  • @LambChopRides
    @LambChopRides 3 года назад

    Really enjoyed that sir 👍

  • @Billhatestheinternet
    @Billhatestheinternet 3 года назад

    Union Pacific did in fact use a locomotive for a few years (mainline use) powered by a gas/jet turbine. It was done mainly due in desperation to the sudden loss in sheer power to the super steam locomotives UP was known for (and general retirement nationwide of steam) such as the 4-6-6-4 Challenger and 4-8-8-4 Big Boy. Again, due to noise (747-100 takeoff equivalent), fuel usage, and sheer heat produced (it exhausted through the top; resulting in a bridge superstructure being compromised), it was retired (unknown if any survive).

  • @kaviramgolam
    @kaviramgolam 3 года назад

    Sheldon Cooper has been busy writing letters to curious droid for this episode!

  • @MikkelMadsen
    @MikkelMadsen 3 года назад +2

    Interesting piece of "what if"-technology.
    fashinating concepts - but the drawbacks with especially the jet trains did indeed seem quite huge...:-)

    • @colbeausabre8842
      @colbeausabre8842 Год назад +1

      New York Central's "Black Beetle" It was never intended to be a prototype, it was strictly to see how fast a conventional train could go on conventional track. "The construct was then successfully sent on test runs over the existing tracks between Butler, Indiana, and Stryker, Ohio.. The line had been chosen for its arrow-straight layout and good condition, but otherwise unmodified track. On July 23, 1966, the car reached a speed of 183.68 mph (295.6 km/h), an American rail speed record that still stands today.
      Even with this spectacular performance, and even though it had been built relatively cheaply, using existing parts, the project was not considered viable commercially. The railroad gathered valuable test data regarding the stresses of high-speed rail travel on conventional equipment and tracks then existing in America"

  • @puschmannn
    @puschmannn 3 года назад +2

    Just in case someone is interested: "Schienenzeppelin" is pronounced exactly like Charly Sheen. Everyone after me: "Sheenan-Zeppelin". There you go. You're welcome. 😉

  • @shade01977
    @shade01977 3 года назад +2

    Mr. Shillito, if you had been my professor in school I would have had much better grades.

  • @Gnefitisis
    @Gnefitisis 3 года назад +1

    Still a better idea than Hyperloop.

  • @Cyman75
    @Cyman75 3 года назад +1

    Great video as always, however, the constantly wrong pronunciation of Schienenzeppelin almost drove me mad. 😆

  • @BilgePump
    @BilgePump 3 года назад

    I like the propeller driven one. It’s by far the coolest idea. Yea baby Yea! 🇩🇪

  • @Timfamy
    @Timfamy 3 года назад

    That pun was golden

  • @marcfreimann9270
    @marcfreimann9270 3 года назад

    Allways very interesting! Thx

  • @reggiep75
    @reggiep75 3 года назад

    Knowledge game: *ON.... AS ALWAYS*
    Shirt game: *ON.... AS ALWAYS*

  • @Aurumai
    @Aurumai 3 года назад

    Dear Curious Droid. I absolutely hate the eyeball sound. But thanks for the amazing videos.

  • @Chironex_Fleckeri
    @Chironex_Fleckeri 3 года назад

    I love the creativity of these engineers. It wasn't meant to be, but it certainly is cool.

  • @colbeausabre8842
    @colbeausabre8842 Год назад

    Totally wrong on the New York Central's "Black Beetle" It was never intended to be a prototype, it was strictly to see how fast a conventional train could go on conventional track. "The construct was then successfully sent on test runs over the existing tracks between Butler, Indiana, and Stryker, Ohio.. The line had been chosen for its arrow-straight layout and good condition, but otherwise unmodified track. On July 23, 1966, the car reached a speed of 183.68 mph (295.6 km/h), an American rail speed record that still stands today.
    Even with this spectacular performance, and even though it had been built relatively cheaply, using existing parts, the project was not considered viable commercially. The railroad gathered valuable test data regarding the stresses of high-speed rail travel on conventional equipment and tracks then existing in America"

  • @handyandyaus
    @handyandyaus 3 года назад +1

    More train videos please Paul!

  • @mastasolo
    @mastasolo 3 года назад +1

    We totally need a video on "Russia"s A-10" the Frogfoot

  • @DeputatKaktus
    @DeputatKaktus 3 года назад

    The sleek design of the Schienenzeppelin was really WAY ahead of its time by several decades. There clearly are some similarities between it and the modern ICE trains of Deutsche Bahn.
    That said though...,in terms of design, one of the most beautiful locomotives ever built was the German 601 and especially the 602 series (also known as „VT 11.5“). The latter was powered by a gas turbine. If that doesn’t scream „Dieselpunk“ I don’t know what is.

  • @no_more_free_nicks
    @no_more_free_nicks 3 года назад +1

    Interesting stuff.

  • @jackmunday7602
    @jackmunday7602 3 года назад

    When curious droid releases a new video. You know life is good.

  • @BOLL7708
    @BOLL7708 3 года назад +2

    Super interesting history, well put together, thanks 😁 I'm kind of happy it did not actually become a thing to use jet engines on trains, the noise would indeed be insane, and not just at stations but asking the track! 😅💦