You gave Rage to Kratos, but what if Thor got enraged? When Thor first defeated Kratos in the start of Ragnarok, Thor was mentally unstable and was addicted to Wine. In the second battle where Kratos gone through all those missions and forged a new weapons as well, while Thor was doing nothing but Drinking and hanging out with Atreus. Thor (Mentally Unstable) > Old Kratos (Calm but more experienced) Thor (Mentally Stable and Enraged) >>> Young Kratos (Mentally Stable and Enraged)
I think people mostly forget that Kratos did died by Zeus for the first time they met and was brought back from the dead to fight Zeus again. So is Kratos fought Thor for the first time Thor would have killed Kratos and it had to be brought back to life or kratos's Thor the fight again
@@shadow-gr4iw that was a weaker Kratos that died to zeus tho, we are talking about Kratos right after he finished off the greek pantheon, which is the same Kratos who killed zeus at that time
@@dodowhisperer2114not only that, he would have been ripping baldur apart over and over again till he just stopped moving. Young kratos is the scariest figure in the GOW universe
The developers have said that Kratos is at his strongest in his old age but is holding back a lot more. He's been more than a match for Thor for a long time now. I'm kindof enjoying the fact that in the new games no one knows what Kratos is capable of, so people are always shocked or confused when he is seemingly unworried about having to face off against the Norse gods. Not only is it nothing he's not already used to, but he knows that he will win since he's already killed so many powerful gods in the past.
@Ghostlyswat 12 I feel like some of the conversations we hear in the game seem to indicate that Kratos is fairly confident in his victory against the Norse gods. The only reason he hesitates or tries to avoid it is because he's trying to be better and doesn't want to repeat what happened in Greece or set a negative example for Atreus. Hence the reason he tries to avoid Ragnarok altogether.
Holding back in a fight is a sign of weakness like he's stronger than Thor but because of his restraint then he allowed Thor to kill him and if it wasn't Thor bringing him back then Kratos story would've ended. Young Kratos would've soloed that pantheon and you can tell this by the moment older Kratos started to give into the rage held back in his younger days while Heimdall, he went from having problems with him to literally beating him to death.
@@mr.manguyfellow1591Valid point with Doom guy. It's a power fantasy, like the old god of war games. But even back then, there was more to it. A man made monster, by betrayal of the gods and eternal suffering. Everyone that played all the old games know that. And there's not even a point to argue with the new god of war games. It's nothing but reflection, trying to be a father and trying to be better.
@@DieEineMiezecouldn’t have said it better myself, the main thing with being a father was the goal to not continue the cycle, of children killing their parents. Something that every Greek man knew about how kronos killed his dad and Zeus killed Kronos and Zues was killed by kratos, the cycle was not to be repeated.
He was referring to the fact he used to be a god of death pretty much and wiped out an entire pantheon on his own. Kratos is far stronger than he was when he was younger.
@vaporouselm9982 okay so you reworded part of what I said? He was more destructive or in a way a god of death because he destroyed an entire pantheon and also the entirety of Greece which went through multiple calamities as he wiped out the Greek Pantheon.
@@anotherclone7687 Old Kratos broke something that technically didn't exist and was a memory, making it indestructible, yet he broke it. He's stronger than when he was younger.
Literally the young kratos killed thanatos (the embodiment of death) going in rage, if kratos let the rage take the control in a fight he can negate the entire norse pantheon
Cory has explained that Old Kratos is stronger. In the first fight Kratos was just too afraid to kill another god, ESPECIALLY someone like Odin's son while Odin was alone with Atreus. Separating them meant that if Kratos went all out and one of Odin's ravens saw it then they'd tell Odin and have him kill Atreus
That's just your headcanon, Kratos was not afraid to kill Thor in the first fight, he even outright tells Thor he'll kill him in the final segment of the battle.
And if Atreus was killed expect a world shaking rage even worse and stronger then that used against Thanatos the literal death who was killed by Kratos
The entire fight Thor wanted to see The God of War, and only leaves after enraging Kratos to hit him seriously. Thor knew the entire time that young Kratos was a much fiercer opponent.
Physically old Kratos is stronger while young Kratos just has the weapons and magics of the Greek Pantheon. So if we just count Kratos' personal power and not borrowed power old Kratos is stronger@@sinjoklassie1649
I think the devs for the new games did state that older kratos is far stronger due to gods getting stronger with age but like u said Kratos has just kept that in as of now. Remember when Thor pushed Kratos just a sliver, Kratos knocked a tooth out of him
You think that's where Kratos time manipulation power will come into play, because he has something like that I thought from GOW2 he huts so hard he can punch holes in timespace that's him at full power is what I'm saying, or am I mistaken and he dsnt have rhat ability
I personally feel that it’s because of kratos’s level headed, controlled mindset that allowed him to defeat Thor. Not by beating him physically like at the end of the fight, but rather showing how his nature has changed. I bet younger kratos would’ve died like in the prophecy because he would’ve done did what was originally predicted which was to continue fighting and die by the hands of Thor. But because he changed his “nature” he had the power to change his “fate” as well. He also helped Thor change his nature as well in the end which further aided in fulfilling the prophecy predicted the fall of Asgard. Of course this is my personal theory as to why ironically younger Kratos wouldn’t beat Thor. I’m more than happy to hear anyone else’s thoughts and opinions.
I think this really is the correct answer. What Young Kratos lacked in raw strength, he made up in sheer force of will, madness and rage. But even then, he was in many ways fated to win. A marked warrior was destined to take down Olympus. But it was no mere one on one death match. Kratos employed the help of titans, gods and their weapons, willingly given or forcibly taken. His story did not start with the death of Olympus. He had to open Pandora's box, and unleash the power of hope, he had to turn the magic of the fates against the gods. Ultimately, he did not win because of his strength, but because of his Spartan commitment to victory. "Wars are won by those willing to sacrifice everything".. and he won against Olympus because he had nothing more to lose.
@@shanedsouza189 young kratos absolutely did not lack raw strength 🤣. Have you actually played or read literally anything prior to 2018? This answer was cap asl kratos mopped Zeus EASILY even if you wanted to argue Thor is stronger than Zeus, it would not matter because kratos would still win even if the battle was drug out. Kratos literally cannot die
My opinion that's left is just the fact younger kratos would just came back after being dead and beat the shit of Thor just BCS of the fact that shit was embarrassing
But he would be significantly weaker than older Kratos. Younger Kratos won’t have the same strength as Kratos when he punched a tooth out of Thor. And don’t show bias just because younger Kratos was more brutal. In the journals of Kratos, he wrote that the blows of Thor where the strongest hits he ever received and he later wrote that the hammer only amplified that which means Thor even without the hammer was physically more capable than any god Kratos ever faced before.
@@christophercardoza2872Don't forget that young kratos had far more hax and weapons to aid him in battle. I would recommend you to read the journal again.
@@christophercardoza2872 as hard not harder, if you're gonna quote something make sure it's actually correct. he said as hard as any hit he ever felt, there is nothing to suggest thor is stronger than zeus, and kratos took quite a few haymakers from his old man.
It is impossible, Thor is too physically strong for that beating and would die to ,at the very least, the blade of Olympus. That guy was a real menace for the Older Kratos, his punches were the strongest thing he ever withstood, and the wound Thor kept for all the game was caused by the venom of Jormungadr.
Kratos seemed like he was fighting thor “tactically” but also cos his son was there. The old Kratos was like “fuck all, someone catching these hands. Especially a mfkn god”
Depends on who the player gets to play as in the fight. People seem to forget that God of War characters are primarily bound by their fate in the story. The gods were fated to be brought down by a marked warrior. Ragnnarok was fated to happen.
I like how tge Norns in Ragnarok explained that the principles of fate are directed by the nature one or many follow, and that some key events may play out in different ways, but carrying the same outcome or version of the outcome.
I imagin Kratos determines if he can kills something through this twisted math . "Can my dad kill that?... he should... so since i killed my dad this should be easy"
Kratos himself said that he has never had anyone hit him as hard as Thor, and Young Kratos at his peak seemed to be almost evenly matched against Zeus. Young Kratos vs Thor would be a good match up.
@@dennyschay8586A lot of lore is in the journal my man. It's in the journal you know kratos is at his physical peak in strength and that Thor is so far his strongest opponent to date and kratos dispatches him a lot easier than zeus.
He never said that. He said as hard as any i have ever felt. Which means its equal to the strongest hits, not stronger. Plus its been years since Kratos felt blows from Zeus, it is likely he has forgotten how painful they were and Thor’s hits were fresh, plus while fighting Zeus he was in perma spartan rage which surely makes the hits feel less powerful, meanwhile fighting thor he was chill.
Yes, fighting the Kratos who can jump, have full vision of the entire arena, powered by the powers of the Gods and crawling out of Hades several times via sheer rage alone.
True, it’s said that he’s now way stronger than how he was in his Greek days. but we’ve never really seen the full extent of his power since GOW 3. 🤷🏾♂️
We thought Kratos had a difficult time fighting Thor, when in fact the enemy he was struggeling with was himself. That uncontrollable rage, that destroyed Olympus and all of Greece, that Thor caught a glimps of. I heard people say Kratos seemed weaker. I say he is stronger than ever, because he conquers the biggest monster this world has ever seen, that no other god, not even old Kratos could handle: himself.
Higher Existence Athena > POH Kratos > POF Zeus > Base Norse era Kratos (full power, which he never used throughout all the two Norse era games or else he would’ve accidentally killed the pantheon and the innocents around him in .01 second) > Base Olympus era Kratos > Base Olympus era Kratos (without the need of Spartan rage) = Holding back Norse era Kratos (also never used Spartan rage throughout all the two era Norse games) > Base Sisters of Fate > Base Zeus > Base Thanatos > Base Surtr > Base Odin = Base Poseidon = Base Hades > Base Cronos > Base Atlas > Base Ares >= Base Athena > Base Thor > Base Baldur > Base Jormungandr > Base Freya
Kratos is more powerful now not to mention Kratos stated in his journal that Thor’s blows were “harder than any he had ever felt” then the hammer only “compounded those strikes” meaning even without Mjolnir Thor’s power was insane
@@antonius.martinusyeah, so he is as strong as titans. But also much more bloodthirsty than Zeus and atlas. And here, Young Kratos can't rely on greek magic such as the sword of Olympus, except for the blades. Without them, kratos has no ranged attacks while thor remains the god of thunder wielding Mjolnir. And if they fight in Greece, then fair enough, YK has the advantage.
@@androkguz You bring up a point that people seem to forget or ignore. Different realms/lands have different rules, and the same applies to gods. Hence why Kratos is actually mortal and vulnerable in the Norse realms.
He didn't blame them Ares admitted to him having Kratos kill his family. Cause Ares thought that would make him a better warrior. The other gods just got in his way and made false promises to him.
The other gods lied to him, especially Zeus. He told kratos that his brother is death but he isn't, and his brother was already filled with vengeance towards kratos so he didn't have a choice but to kill his own brother.
@@Numby322 No Chronos killed Deimos. Kratos had to kill his mom because she was cursed and told Kratos where his brother was and she turned into a monster.
Kratos is kind of like broly or Hulk. You can't size him up, you cannot make him fear you. No matter how hard you punch, he gets enraged & instead of standing down doubles down on you. . That's how the younger version of kratos was that's a guy you would be better of not indulging in
Kratos's rage was also fueled by the death of his family that was caused by his hands due to Ares's betrayal. The fact that their death was caused by Kratos own hands also adds fuel to his hatred to Ares for practically forcing him to do it. Then he had to kill his own mother because of a curse placed on her by Zeus and he had to watch his brother who swore to protect get taken away from him again after just reuniting with him. Thor's rage is like a match incomparison to Kratos's rage and hatred which is like 10 suns put together. Kratos's rage an hatred for the gods and himself is unmatched by anyone in this series.
When Kratos was fighting Thor he was holding back masively because he didn't wan't to kill him since he had a daughter and saw Thor was a depressed old man that loved his family and Thor still lost that fight. A younger Kratos would of Slaughtered Thor like he was nothing because young Kratos does not hold back for anybody.
@@enelem64 bruh the point is his “old self” knocked out a tooth in one punch. Now imagine this fight but now every punch is on that level because young kratos isn’t holding back.
There’s a reason why Thor stopped the first fight between himself and Kratos after Kratos actually gave him a taste of his younger self and it wasn’t bc the “blood payment” was paid.
@@BAEHELPJAYDO Bc he got what he wanted. He wanted to see the god of war and he got it. Its cringe saying he ran when all Kratos did was knock out a tooth after hed already been fighting Thor for awhile with Thor shrugging off the gut stab. All that for a drop of blood.
Old Kratos has been established to be stronger than young Kratos yet he still couldn’t lift it while Thor was wielding it so I doubt that’s how it would go.
@@doomguyslayerofdemons6191 because it wasn't sitting still it was always thrown at him or he was attacked with it if thrud could lift it im pretty sure kratos could unless your trying to say thrud is stronger than kratos please tell me your not
@@evil63 I know, that’s why I said when Thor was controlling it he couldn’t lift it. Edit: Kratos is absolutely stronger than Thrud. That is out of the question.
Then you should also consider younger Thor which was fit and stronger who killed 90% giants by own (on the other side Zeus killed giants with the help of his brothers) . And that Thor was also not depressed, broken and not want to die.
Young Kratos was quite literally unstoppable and unkillable. He couldn't even kill himself that's how strong he was. He didn't care what he had to do, who he had to hurt, or what the consequences would be. He would just do.
One thing I find interesting in Kratos was how far he has changed during the Heimdall fight. If it was young Kratos, he would have brutally killed him similar to Hermes. But he just choked him out instead.
To be fair with today's graphics they could not show that. They get away with it when it is a draugur or a troll or beast but actual people are off limits to stuff that brutal now.
I know old kratos is physically stronger, but in terms of actual potential and ability to deal with any enemy in front of kratos. I'm going with Young Kratos, i dont know what would stop a fully raged out kratos with hermes boots and blade of olympus coming at you, also could deflect basically anything with the golden fleece, can also fly and a ton of powerful magic at his disposal. Blade of olympus by itself is a trump card.
Kratos, unlike what many people say, has not become any weaker. Old Kratos has acquired dew drops from the World Tree, many more years of combat experience, and practically everything Young Kratos had. He still has his rage, just harnesses it MUCH better.
I feel like you neglected his capacity as a general. Kratos, while hot headed, is extremely smart. He commanded the armies of Sparta, and this is evident by the puzzles he solves in the games which proves he’s more intelligent than he seems
Also if it was young thor vs young kratos it would be a whole different story. Thor in his prime was op as shit but in ragnarok he was drunk all the time to the point where he forgot that thunder icey tree that he and faye created once in their fight. Because he was always drunk. And considering that thor is drunk and kratos is controlling his rage, young kratos and thor would be a much more intense fight
@@rakanahmed4000yeah dude i swear everyone forgets how washed up thor is in this game. In his prime he probably could have killed all the greek gods with about the same amount of ease
@@punkm0nk3y2no proof that this wasn't his prime also Norse and Greek gods get physically stronger when they get old also being drunk won't affect as he is a brawler so him being drunk is an advantage he can't solo Greek especially zeus
@@punkm0nk3y2thats just head cannon. Nothing indicates or points to thor being past his prime or otherwise an out of shape fighter. Odin even in his old age is still feared and holds a great deal of power. Throughout the entirety of god of war 2018 mimir tells many stories of thor being a drunk way before kratos ever met him. In ragnarok he completes all of surtrs challenges in a very short time and says that if atreus beat it he shouldn't need help from him. Edit: i was playing ragnarok and Odin literally tells him he likes him better when he was a drunk.
Young Kratos would absolutely discombobulate tf outta thor with his rage, the Blade of Olympus, his weapons and with his magic too. I mean, who would EVER anger the great god of war, kratos himself? :'D
Let's just ignore that 1. Older Kratos is canonical stronger than younger Kratos 2. Thor needs world spent Venom to really hurt him 3. Thor straight-up canonically killed Kratos in their first fight, and thor wasn't even going all out in that fight. 4. Mjolnir weighs enough that Older, canonically stronger, Kratos STRUGGLED to lift, and thor swings it like a fly swatter 5. Thor has centuries of experience on younger Kratos. 6. Thor hits hard enough to break the laws of physics and send things back in time.
@@enomisv9830 1. Yes, he's supposed to be stronger, like, he could lift more, but we don't know by how much. Zeus was oldest olympian, the strongest god with the most hax and got shit on by Kratos. 2. That venom theory doesn't make sense. It's a metal axe, not a sponge, no way it lasted from the beginning of the first game with all the enemies hit and through 2-3 years of fimblewinter which also scrapped all the axe upgrades. Chances are the devs just forgot what to do with that. 3. Kratos was also holding back severely in that fight. And when he got a little angry at Thor at the end of the fight, he immediately overpowered him and knocked a tooth out. 4. Thor's hammer is not ultra heavy like in the myth here. It could even stand on Kratos's wooden table at the first meeting. Odin and Thrudd could also lift it. Kratos was struggling because: can you lift a bowling ball? Yes, with one hand. Can you catch a bowling ball flying at you at high speed while magically accelerating towards you? 5. What experience? Genociding a people with an overpowered weapon while piss-drunk? If this was an rpg where xp is rewarded for any kill, yes, but here none of that experience will help him fight Kratos 1v1. Kratos didn't gain that much battle experience either. From GoW3 to GoW5 his experience consisted of being a loner for many years, killing giant hippo, being a loner for more years, hunting animals, and killing zombies that are only a problem so gameplay doesn't get boring. Baldur and the Valkyries are the only worthwhile experiences. 6. He didn't break the laws of physics, he splintered the world tree, a magical thing which we don't know how it works in detail. This feat doesn't even make sense in the game's context. He hit the snake (stationary object) so hard it sent him back in time? Wouldn't that mean any time Kratos and Thor hit each other (energy added together), they should splinter the world tree?
@@enomisv9830 Bro, I KNOW. I ain't saying Young Kratos IS Stronger than older kratos, of course not. Of Course Older Kratos is stronger, wiser and intelligent. I ain't that dumb. I am just saying If Young Kratos ever went up against current Thor, than yeah he might have a chance because he can use every elemental magic, every weapon he stole from each god he disrespectfully killed and escaped hell like twice who refuses to die because he is vengeful, anger issued man (Referring to young kratos of course).
@@pharaohbubbles1547Then explain how Hercules,Atlas,Hermes and Thanatos lost Hercules personification and God of Strength Atlas old personification of Strength Hermes personification of speed Thanatos personification of Death
Fun fact If young kratos and old kratos met, the young kratos would be looking down at the older kratos. Young kratos is 7 ft 6 and old is 6 ft 6. Idk how that works, but yeah 😂
@@handmfunniesno that doesn't. He was expecting a giant, like surtr or the other big ones. Bladur only showed up to kratos' house because they thought freya kratos' wife was there because she was a giant or jotunn.
Kratos meant certain powers like the powers granted to him by the gods and titans in the original trilogy. He still has all his regular God powers though.
The devs have stated that not only is old Kratos the strongest he's ever been in the franchise, but also that the Norse pantheon is more powerful than the Greek pantheon in the GoW universe. It kind of makes sense since the Norse gods are more reliant on brute strength and they were often revered in the context of battle, while the Greek gods are more elegant and more focused on other skills and abilities besides purely battle strength than the Norse gods due to the high value of such skills in Greek society.
@@hoesficfiric7473 it's referenced in the novelization of God of War. It's stated that at the time of fighting Baldur, Baldur was the strongest being Kratos had ever faced up until that point. This is also said about Odin's spells. While it only references specific spells with regards to "most powerful of its kind that Kratos has ever felt" I think we can conclude the stronger Norse gods at least physically outclass the Greek gods (especially Thor) while Odin's magic outclasses even the Greek enchanters and spellcasters. And I honestly think that kind of makes sense. Zeus and the rest of the Olympians didn't do that much to gain more power since they're already gods. Odin, already a god, sacrificed everything to gain more knowledge and magical power. It stands to reason that the combination of godhood and an eternity of gaining more power leads to an extremely powerful god.
@mommatthew2756 my point ? Kratos was holding back because he didn't want to kill more gods because he knows what it can do to the world. If he would stop holding back this would be a quick fight. You can see what happened when he let his anger out for one second plus he can lift mjolnir
@mommatthew2756Devs statements means nothing. The games and feats shows otherwise. young Kratos is undoubtedly superior to old Kratos due to the vast abilities that he was given access to. need I list them? Blade of Olympus (a weapon capable of eradicating all of the Titans and ended the great war with a single swoop), Power of Hope (The strongest power that existed in the Greek world. It's why Kratos was able to defeat Zeus in the first place), Claws of Hades, which lets Kratos sucks in the soul of any victims of his choosing, Boots of Hermes, Nemean Cestus, you name it. not to mention that Kratos was able to block Atlas's attack.
@@x_joel308Dev statements mean nothing 💀. Serious copium. So the people who made the game don't know what they're talking about 😭😭. Bro really doesn't want to admit that Old Kratos is stronger.
Granted look at how well thor was doing in the beginning. He was man handling kratos and literally only took 1 step back when getting hit by a rage fueled kratos. If he didn't get weakened by the poison on the axe and from fighting the world serpent, I think kratos wouldn't have beat him in the end without Raging.
@@jraqz1739 norse gods to me pretty much seemed like superhumans with a little magic sprinkled in. Their deaths, while impactful, were no where near as powerful as the death of a greek god. The Greek gods magic was much more powerful. Even noted in universe by Freya, the norse realms don’t really have magic on the level of Greece. The gods of Greece just seemed more like actual forces of nature. In my opinion anyway
@@christianhenry4173 you really wanna go there, considering actual mythology Kratos would've gotten manhandled by Zeus? Santa Monica wrote the lore of *their* versions, and in their versions the Norse gods are not somehow weaker than the Greek Gods, merely more compact, focused, and well rounded. They don't lose the instant you beat their gimmick, you still have to actually 1v1 them even after that, they just cease having hax after that. Heimdall and Baldur are fantastic examples of this, versus, say, Hermes getting brutalized the instant he's off his feet, or Poseidon being incapable of fighting back the moment he loses his water horse body, or Zeus being unable to do anything once Kratos beat up the Astral Fear energy protection of his soul, you get the idea. Norse gods are consistent warriors, much closer to being like Kratos than trying to act like they are above him, and they're more right about that than the Greek gods were in their assessment.
Despite all of his evolving of a character [which original creators claim to hate, only heard and dont know the full story just throwing it out there to stop someone else from doing so as an arguement] I would actually like to see Kratos truly let loose again. But have the ability tobpull it all back. Not throw away his progress, but accept that the rage in his heart is part of hos strength. Channel it properly. And then use all of it unrestrained yet tamed when the time is right. The deffinitive "This is Kratos at his absolute peak, in control" to bring some of that old feeling of the older games again. We see him reach this because of his desire to protect Atreaus, yet now after Valhalla DLC we can probably expect him to be able to go all out without the fear holding him back. No more pulling of the punches and show everyone what the Destroyer is willing to Protect.
The devs can say that all they want but Im not blind lol. Sure old kratos is still very strong but they still havent really showcased how kratos is more stronger than his younger self. They just want us to take their word for it without actually showing us anything extraordinary. And yes I already know someone is going to try mentioning the cutscene where he flips over a building or when he pushed the bridge using a lever. And to that I say younger kratos has already over powered multiple titans hands and fingers which I would argue are roughly the same scale as those buildings with the added factor of the Titans immeasurable strength. Its debatable is all Im saying. I just dislike it when people say "X thing is canon or non canon so that means Y is the only interpretation."
@D_an_ Old Krato to me has less overall fire power and strength than his prime younger self but his vast experience and newly developed self control makes him a better even more dangerous fighter.
I honestly wanted Thor and Heimdall to be alive at Ragnarök. I also wanted a second Thor fight thats not during Ragnarök. The first part of the game was done amazing, but after a certain point it just gets rushed
@@Kn1ghtborne You telling me they should show the real infinite speed and strength of kratos in the game so we one shot all the bosses and enemies and finish the game? That's some one punch man level shit bro.
@@theguywholurksonyoutube7033 If we splice the correct runes/armor together we can instamelt hordes of enemies including heavies so it's not far off 🤷 plus the way they compensated for his speed and strength in the old games was to add more enemies. I miss fighting hordes of enemies. Fighting 4 tanky regular enemies who can deal massive damage through my runic attacks doesn't make me feel too Godly. The harpies grab can even interrupt heavy runic attacks while you're stuck in animation and even kill you because you can't move out of the way. That's a terrible design for a God. Plus if the Old gow games can be hard while giving him more speed and attacks I don't see why nerf his gameplay now if he's supposed to be stronger.
If I was honest, Mythos Cratos would dog walk GoW Kratos due to the fact Cratos would take him out with a single punch because he is the embodiment of strength.
@@largepinkthing8667 yeah you didn't know the comics the manuals the books I think more he is a lot more powerful then shown in the games in fact he would easily one shot every enemy except the gods
The best thing I think for the next GOW game will be having atreus getting hurt really badly by an other god and Kratos going completely ballistic while having the OG theme song playing in the background
Let's just forget that Thor canonical killed Kratos, and older Kratos required leviathan axe, blades of chaos, AND draupnir to beat thor, even then he only managed to get him to calm down. Unless young Kratos got the Venom from Jorm (which i doubt he'd have the patience for) he wouldn't even have a way to wear Thor down quickly since thor heals rapidly. If Kratos learned about Thor's daughter and wife, he'd be too distracted by past sins and be sloppy. Plus, Thor could probably overpower Kratos since his myth strength feats are RIDICULOUS. Just holding Mjolnir and swinging it as easily as he does matches any strength feat Kratos has, since Kratos STRUGGLES HARD to even hold mjolnir in place. (Before anyone @'s me, I've played both gow 2018 and GoWR to completion and have seen playthroughs of the other games)
@EL No, he straight up killed him. You got the death screen and everything, he then brought Kratos back to continue kicking his a** I don't think you put enough > to show how biased you are.
Greek gods are stronger. Greek gods are immortal while Norse gods are mortal and can die. Also, Kratos is based off of Cratos, who is the titan of strength. Titans are stronger than Gods. Then his weaponry and spartan rage is overkill
@@enomisv9830 That's a game mechanic. Like the Doomslayer being killed. They're both immortal. Let's also not forget that the game explicitly says that there's no such thing as fate. And if there was, Faye stated that fate would have Kratos live and be relished as a god. Not to mention if fate did exist, it's also entirely possible for Kratos to see what he NEEDED to see and have the sisters tell him what he NEEDED to hear for fate to take course and for Kratos to live. Therefore it's equally possible Kratos never would have died to the likes of Thor. But for Ragnarok to occur, Kratos had to think he would be killed by Thor so Atreus would go down the path of Loki to save his father and have all of the events unfold. Funny how you completely ignore this half since it's actually more plausible since Thor just doesn't have the capability to kill Kratos. To knock him out? Sure. But to kill? Not even on the same level.
The only time i actually saw kratos mess up because of his anger was when he let pandora go but tbh nobody was gonna let that disrespect slide. Even though kratos was rage filled he still had control.
Stated where? Greek gods had more feats and even trough game, freya and mimir were in awe of what greek gods could do and what powers they had, saying noone should have that much power.
@@mrblackandwhite5104 Yet the Game devs on twitter also confirmed things such as Zeus>Baldur, that Odin vs Zeus should be the real question. Implying Zeus and Odin aren’t far off. In game statements as well also point to the Greek gods having greater magical power as a whole when compared to the Norse. Granted the Norse are apparently physically stronger than the Greeks for the most part.
Even if the Greek gods are stronger than the Norse gods in GOW my own though on that matter would have been that since the death of a Greek god impacts the mortal world so heavily they might have done a kind of taboo trade of to improve their magical power and never spoken of it. I haven’t played the early series but Aries death didn’t impact the mortal world right? He wasn’t a god that relied on magical powers as much as a god of war so this kind of trade wouldn’t be necessary if that’s the case? Or if it did impact the mortal world I just missed it. 😂
Experience accounts for much, but Young Kratos shows a greater willingness to fight at his peak, whereas Older Kratos taps into that power only when necessary. Thor, like Mjolnir, is a blunt instrument. His strength is matched by few, but his ferocity and martial skill is easily surpassed by both Kratos.
When kratos threatened odin with his past self it instantly gave me flashbacks. But kratos past looked pretty fun finding different unique creatures to battle to even seeing huge titans, seeing unworldly gods ,meeting random kings of their own , wiping out everysingle person who couldve stayed alive till the end just imagije if kratos did not do all those deeds maybe greek mythology couldve stayed alive just maybe
I’ve always thought that Norse Kratos seemed weaker because he has better control over his Rage. In fact, I’ve theorized that Greek Kratos is powered by his Rage, giving an appearance of being untiring and being so much stronger than Norse Kratos. So, Norse Kratos’ base level would be above Greek Kratos’ base level, but since we’ve never seen Greek Kratos being calm, it looks like Greek Kratos is stronger. From what I’ve seen Norse Kratos only really lost control twice in GOW Ragnarok, once against Thor and against Hemidall. It’s kind of like Hulk vs Abomination in that aspect, Abomination is stronger than Calm Hulk, but once Hulk gets mad....it doesn’t end well for Abomination.
You forgot to mention Kratos in Ragnarok actually is beginning to allow himself to slip into that rageful state that he has from his younger years. The God of War in the flesh.
Young Kratos: Nurfed after he blew up his universe. Lost all his overpowered weapons except one. Was rage incarnate. Was to angry to die literally. Fought pantheons way stronger than Norse Mythologies pantheons. Fought the furies who were the gods of there gods and controlled the fates of everything in his universe including him. Fought a dude that moves faster than light and won. Fought a dude that was the embodiment of strength and won. Fought death itself and won. Should I go on? Point is older Kratos gets dogged walked including thor.
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They creator himself said older kratos and the Norse gods are stronger.
@@KingE321yeah
You gave Rage to Kratos, but what if Thor got enraged?
When Thor first defeated Kratos in the start of Ragnarok, Thor was mentally unstable and was addicted to Wine.
In the second battle where Kratos gone through all those missions and forged a new weapons as well, while Thor was doing nothing but Drinking and hanging out with Atreus.
Thor (Mentally Unstable) > Old Kratos (Calm but more experienced)
Thor (Mentally Stable and Enraged) >>> Young Kratos (Mentally Stable and Enraged)
"So much more stronger" easy there goofy👌🏻
Awesome 😎
I just imagine young Kratos giving Thor that same look he gave Hercules.
Like a savage man
@@mythslegendsExplored absolutely!
I think people mostly forget that Kratos did died by Zeus for the first time they met and was brought back from the dead to fight Zeus again. So is Kratos fought Thor for the first time Thor would have killed Kratos and it had to be brought back to life or kratos's Thor the fight again
@@shadow-gr4iw that was a weaker Kratos that died to zeus tho, we are talking about Kratos right after he finished off the greek pantheon, which is the same Kratos who killed zeus at that time
Nah young kratos is straight 8 foot tall I think equal to Thor's height
Young Kratos wouldn't even sit to talk. He would start blasting on seeing his roof damaged
He would've thrown hands with balder for just knocking on his door
@@dodowhisperer2114not only that, he would have been ripping baldur apart over and over again till he just stopped moving. Young kratos is the scariest figure in the GOW universe
@@gtvn2775, he was invulnerable :v
@@truthseeker7815Still can get ripped apart, but he will definitely healed up again soon after
Truly a calm and reasonable person
The old kratos seems like a calm and reasonable guy
When the moment calls for *calm*
Yea... I'd say it called for calm.
He is.
“Person*”
That sounds better
@@bahandplays8373 yeah you're right 👍
The developers have said that Kratos is at his strongest in his old age but is holding back a lot more. He's been more than a match for Thor for a long time now. I'm kindof enjoying the fact that in the new games no one knows what Kratos is capable of, so people are always shocked or confused when he is seemingly unworried about having to face off against the Norse gods. Not only is it nothing he's not already used to, but he knows that he will win since he's already killed so many powerful gods in the past.
He doesn’t know he’ll win he’s just ready to fight to protect himself and the ones he cares about
Finally someone who sees it properly🤝
@Ghostlyswat 12 I feel like some of the conversations we hear in the game seem to indicate that Kratos is fairly confident in his victory against the Norse gods. The only reason he hesitates or tries to avoid it is because he's trying to be better and doesn't want to repeat what happened in Greece or set a negative example for Atreus. Hence the reason he tries to avoid Ragnarok altogether.
Holding back in a fight is a sign of weakness like he's stronger than Thor but because of his restraint then he allowed Thor to kill him and if it wasn't Thor bringing him back then Kratos story would've ended. Young Kratos would've soloed that pantheon and you can tell this by the moment older Kratos started to give into the rage held back in his younger days while Heimdall, he went from having problems with him to literally beating him to death.
@@derrickdupre2155 I wonder if kratos actually died or if it was just him getting knocked out
Characters like younger Kratos & Doom Guy are my favorite type of character. They're just too pissed off to die
@@mr.manguyfellow1591Valid point with Doom guy. It's a power fantasy, like the old god of war games.
But even back then, there was more to it.
A man made monster, by betrayal of the gods and eternal suffering.
Everyone that played all the old games know that.
And there's not even a point to argue with the new god of war games.
It's nothing but reflection, trying to be a father and trying to be better.
@@DieEineMiezecouldn’t have said it better myself, the main thing with being a father was the goal to not continue the cycle, of children killing their parents. Something that every Greek man knew about how kronos killed his dad and Zeus killed Kronos and Zues was killed by kratos, the cycle was not to be repeated.
Then you would surely love guts.
Thor got it easy fighting older Kratos, younger Kratos might have giving him they Poseidon treatment
Don't forget Asura
"Return my son or you may meet the God I once was." Even Kratos knows his younger self is destroying the Norse God's. 😂
He was referring to the fact he used to be a god of death pretty much and wiped out an entire pantheon on his own. Kratos is far stronger than he was when he was younger.
@HarlequinNova He was far more destructive is what you mean
@vaporouselm9982 okay so you reworded part of what I said? He was more destructive or in a way a god of death because he destroyed an entire pantheon and also the entirety of Greece which went through multiple calamities as he wiped out the Greek Pantheon.
@@HarlequinNova debatable, young Kratos has god powers but old Kratos is a better overall fighter tho
@@anotherclone7687 Old Kratos broke something that technically didn't exist and was a memory, making it indestructible, yet he broke it. He's stronger than when he was younger.
Honestly the main difference for young kratos is the weapons at his disposal. Man had a new weapon for every god killed and used it to kill the next 😂
He was spartan mega man. 😅
But he wouldn't have the leviathan axe which is a hard counter to Mjolnir
And all the different magic he had.
@@FoxHound-ut1hu With all the Greek weapons I don't think he'd need it tbh
@@lobsterjohnson8642 Really? Because the Norse weapons do so much fucking more than the Greek weapons.
The way I see old Kratos is just permanent Spartan Rage
Bro so true tho 💀
*young kratos but ik what u mean
@@byrondacres1370 oh yeah my bad
dude young kratos isn't always angry
So he is going into maximize over rage?
Thor: Are you a calm and reasonable person?
Younger Kratos: *Blade of Chaos right to the face.
Literally the young kratos killed thanatos (the embodiment of death) going in rage, if kratos let the rage take the control in a fight he can negate the entire norse pantheon
He didn't kill him
XD
@@Evankiller122 yes he killed him
@@Evankiller122 bro's mocking even though he's wrong
@@Evankiller122 he did… stupid award of the internet goes to you pal 🏆
Cory has explained that Old Kratos is stronger. In the first fight Kratos was just too afraid to kill another god, ESPECIALLY someone like Odin's son while Odin was alone with Atreus. Separating them meant that if Kratos went all out and one of Odin's ravens saw it then they'd tell Odin and have him kill Atreus
That's just your headcanon, Kratos was not afraid to kill Thor in the first fight, he even outright tells Thor he'll kill him in the final segment of the battle.
Yeah but kratos was warning thor
And if Atreus was killed expect a world shaking rage even worse and stronger then that used against Thanatos the literal death who was killed by Kratos
Bro but odin won't kill atreus coz he needs his help to get that mask
@@burnwood1979 how would Kratos have known that
Young Kratos is the definition of “Its On Sight”
Thor: are you a calm and reasonable man
Kratos: O
L3 + R3
You are gonna hit him right?
....
Right?
P.s red orbs
@@Divinity-of-sinhit him where? 😮
AAAAAAAH
The difference is
Older Kratos: peace ✌️
Young Kratos: NO MERCY ☠️☠️☠️
A calm and reasonable Kratos knows when best to apply his strength.
@@zacharybosley1935a merciless, rage filled kratos applies everything into his strength
Young kratos: underleveled
@@deathanimatins6470 which is an excellent example of why old man Kratos would fold his younger self easily
Young Kratos would had do it with Sif while Thor's watching.
“Kratos is really only a minor deity”
“⭕️”
The entire fight Thor wanted to see The God of War, and only leaves after enraging Kratos to hit him seriously. Thor knew the entire time that young Kratos was a much fiercer opponent.
Young kratos was more dangerous but older kratos is stronger mentally and physically
@@Jefftoucheslittlekids We both know who we'd rather run into in a dark alley.
@@rexjrd963 I spoke nothing but facts
The thing is
Gow4 kratos is stronger than gow1 kratos
While gow2 and 3 kratos was amped asf@@Jefftoucheslittlekids
Physically old Kratos is stronger while young Kratos just has the weapons and magics of the Greek Pantheon. So if we just count Kratos' personal power and not borrowed power old Kratos is stronger@@sinjoklassie1649
I think the devs for the new games did state that older kratos is far stronger due to gods getting stronger with age but like u said Kratos has just kept that in as of now. Remember when Thor pushed Kratos just a sliver, Kratos knocked a tooth out of him
Yeah, thats true and Thor was a tank, all Kratos' punches weren't doing anything, until he hit him with that haymaker
Thor ate that punch too! Damn that moment really made me think just how much they can really go at it!
@@A-Champ He ate a punch of a fraction of Kratos’ true power.
@@2elss I mean it was just one punch, but damn if that wasn't the biggest Haymaker I've ever seen from him!
You think that's where Kratos time manipulation power will come into play, because he has something like that I thought from GOW2 he huts so hard he can punch holes in timespace that's him at full power is what I'm saying, or am I mistaken and he dsnt have rhat ability
Thor: I have mead
Young Kratos: I have beef
Deadass😂
People forget that kratos in the old games is 2 feet taller than GOW4 kratos
I hate that lol
What?
@@Shalhoob.x he got shorter
in greek saga Kratos was taller than Thor
@@kratosfan30 as old people do
I personally feel that it’s because of kratos’s level headed, controlled mindset that allowed him to defeat Thor. Not by beating him physically like at the end of the fight, but rather showing how his nature has changed. I bet younger kratos would’ve died like in the prophecy because he would’ve done did what was originally predicted which was to continue fighting and die by the hands of Thor. But because he changed his “nature” he had the power to change his “fate” as well. He also helped Thor change his nature as well in the end which further aided in fulfilling the prophecy predicted the fall of Asgard. Of course this is my personal theory as to why ironically younger Kratos wouldn’t beat Thor. I’m more than happy to hear anyone else’s thoughts and opinions.
I think this really is the correct answer. What Young Kratos lacked in raw strength, he made up in sheer force of will, madness and rage. But even then, he was in many ways fated to win. A marked warrior was destined to take down Olympus. But it was no mere one on one death match. Kratos employed the help of titans, gods and their weapons, willingly given or forcibly taken. His story did not start with the death of Olympus. He had to open Pandora's box, and unleash the power of hope, he had to turn the magic of the fates against the gods.
Ultimately, he did not win because of his strength, but because of his Spartan commitment to victory. "Wars are won by those willing to sacrifice everything".. and he won against Olympus because he had nothing more to lose.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Nailed it
@@shanedsouza189 young kratos absolutely did not lack raw strength 🤣. Have you actually played or read literally anything prior to 2018? This answer was cap asl kratos mopped Zeus EASILY even if you wanted to argue Thor is stronger than Zeus, it would not matter because kratos would still win even if the battle was drug out. Kratos literally cannot die
My opinion that's left is just the fact younger kratos would just came back after being dead and beat the shit of Thor just BCS of the fact that shit was embarrassing
Kratos was holding back for the entire fight. The only time he didn’t pull a punch is when Thor mentioned Atreus. Young kratos would not hold back
But he would be significantly weaker than older Kratos. Younger Kratos won’t have the same strength as Kratos when he punched a tooth out of Thor. And don’t show bias just because younger Kratos was more brutal. In the journals of Kratos, he wrote that the blows of Thor where the strongest hits he ever received and he later wrote that the hammer only amplified that which means Thor even without the hammer was physically more capable than any god Kratos ever faced before.
@@christophercardoza2872 Read the journal again, it said as hard as the strongest blow, not the hardest.
@@christophercardoza2872Don't forget that young kratos had far more hax and weapons to aid him in battle. I would recommend you to read the journal again.
@@christophercardoza2872 as hard not harder, if you're gonna quote something make sure it's actually correct. he said as hard as any hit he ever felt, there is nothing to suggest thor is stronger than zeus, and kratos took quite a few haymakers from his old man.
6 months late but tbf Thor was holding back during the entire fight too and just laughed off Kratos' punch
Imagine young Kratos giving Thor the same beating he had given to Poseidon at GoW3
Poseidon sucked ass
It is impossible, Thor is too physically strong for that beating and would die to ,at the very least, the blade of Olympus.
That guy was a real menace for the Older Kratos, his punches were the strongest thing he ever withstood, and the wound Thor kept for all the game was caused by the venom of Jormungadr.
Do you realise you are talking about The God Of Strength?
Thor too wasn't at his best. He had grown so fat and lost all those muscles.
@@mrdave1413 fat does not mean weak, nobody says anything about Thor's weakening.
Two minutes silence for the BLADE OF OLYMPUS young kratos had 💀💀
what he has now is The blade of chaos is it?
@@Murder_machine YEP..!!!
It's back baby!
Kratos seemed like he was fighting thor “tactically” but also cos his son was there. The old Kratos was like “fuck all, someone catching these hands. Especially a mfkn god”
Depends on who the player gets to play as in the fight.
People seem to forget that God of War characters are primarily bound by their fate in the story. The gods were fated to be brought down by a marked warrior. Ragnnarok was fated to happen.
I like how tge Norns in Ragnarok explained that the principles of fate are directed by the nature one or many follow, and that some key events may play out in different ways, but carrying the same outcome or version of the outcome.
I also like how they said the “god of war” will die come ragnnarok which didn’t mean kratos but who he once was👌🏾
@@derrickrushingjr1861they said Kratos from Sparta will die. But yeah, that old Kratos from the past
Young Kratos kills Thor and both learn nothing.
But Old Kratos teaches him. "We must be better."
Woo hooo kratos therapy sessions
I imagin Kratos determines if he can kills something through this twisted math .
"Can my dad kill that?... he should... so since i killed my dad this should be easy"
If Kratos had his old powers Thor would of died a terrible painful death
No he most certainly wouldn’t have, all his powers are pretty much useless since Greece fell
@@beansforthechowder8169He don’t have em no more unfortunately but if he did R.I.P Thor kratos younger self was OP af.
Nope
@@beansforthechowder8169 Did you skip the word "If"?
@@sleepycat01234 No dumb ass I didn’t, but even if Kratos had his old powers they would be useless
Kratos himself said that he has never had anyone hit him as hard as Thor, and Young Kratos at his peak seemed to be almost evenly matched against Zeus. Young Kratos vs Thor would be a good match up.
never said that
@@dennyschay8586 Kratos wrote down that it was the hardest he had ever been hit.
@@dennyschay8586nigga it's literally written down in his journal in game
@@dennyschay8586A lot of lore is in the journal my man. It's in the journal you know kratos is at his physical peak in strength and that Thor is so far his strongest opponent to date and kratos dispatches him a lot easier than zeus.
He never said that. He said as hard as any i have ever felt. Which means its equal to the strongest hits, not stronger. Plus its been years since Kratos felt blows from Zeus, it is likely he has forgotten how painful they were and Thor’s hits were fresh, plus while fighting Zeus he was in perma spartan rage which surely makes the hits feel less powerful, meanwhile fighting thor he was chill.
Even the developer said that Kratos currently at his strongest, it's just that he didn't want to kill without a reason, he held back a lot.
thor would be very happy to see kratos on his prime XD
If you mean prime like in strength then kratos is in his prime
Yes, fighting the Kratos who can jump, have full vision of the entire arena, powered by the powers of the Gods and crawling out of Hades several times via sheer rage alone.
@@Orcabubeog yea not in strength but in rage like old kratos is stronger but he is holding too much back, young Kratos donot hold back
Freya said he lost his magic cause his magic was tied to his realm? but he still has his strength
Young Kratos this, Old Kratos That…
I feel like no one understands how powerful Kratos really is.
True, it’s said that he’s now way stronger than how he was in his Greek days. but we’ve never really seen the full extent of his power since GOW 3. 🤷🏾♂️
**Somehow grabs Mjölnir**
**Proceeds to cave in Thor’s skull with it with repeated strikes**
We thought Kratos had a difficult time fighting Thor, when in fact the enemy he was struggeling with was himself. That uncontrollable rage, that destroyed Olympus and all of Greece, that Thor caught a glimps of.
I heard people say Kratos seemed weaker. I say he is stronger than ever, because he conquers the biggest monster this world has ever seen, that no other god, not even old Kratos could handle: himself.
Yall gotta realize that young kratos wont have a problem holding back lmao
He is still confined weaker then his older self....so yeah
Higher Existence Athena > POH Kratos > POF Zeus > Base Norse era Kratos (full power, which he never used throughout all the two Norse era games or else he would’ve accidentally killed the pantheon and the innocents around him in .01 second) > Base Olympus era Kratos > Base Olympus era Kratos (without the need of Spartan rage) = Holding back Norse era Kratos (also never used Spartan rage throughout all the two era Norse games) > Base Sisters of Fate > Base Zeus > Base Thanatos > Base Surtr > Base Odin = Base Poseidon = Base Hades > Base Cronos > Base Atlas > Base Ares >= Base Athena > Base Thor > Base Baldur > Base Jormungandr > Base Freya
@@codeck4442 Baldur does NOT beat Jormungandr and athena doesnt beat POH kratos
@@codeck4442are you being serious? Because if not that list is trash. Athena over thor is crazy.
@@codeck4442older kratos is physically stronger than younger kratos and is more powerful
mythological kratos is literally the main enforcer of ZEUS and the god of pure phtsical strenght and is also FUCKING IMMORTAL
All gods are immortal
@@jshrhrgahhuehtnmpplviking ones arent
@@jshrhrgahhuehtnmppl Thor isnt immortal he literally dies in ragnarok
Kratos is more powerful now not to mention Kratos stated in his journal that Thor’s blows were “harder than any he had ever felt” then the hammer only “compounded those strikes” meaning even without Mjolnir Thor’s power was insane
"As hard as I ever felt" not harder...
@@antonius.martinusyeah, so he is as strong as titans. But also much more bloodthirsty than Zeus and atlas.
And here, Young Kratos can't rely on greek magic such as the sword of Olympus, except for the blades. Without them, kratos has no ranged attacks while thor remains the god of thunder wielding Mjolnir.
And if they fight in Greece, then fair enough, YK has the advantage.
@@androkguz You bring up a point that people seem to forget or ignore. Different realms/lands have different rules, and the same applies to gods. Hence why Kratos is actually mortal and vulnerable in the Norse realms.
Bro, kratos killed his family and then moved to blame the Gods. That is some messed up shit, he go that dawg in him.
He didn't blame them Ares admitted to him having Kratos kill his family. Cause Ares thought that would make him a better warrior. The other gods just got in his way and made false promises to him.
The other gods lied to him, especially Zeus. He told kratos that his brother is death but he isn't, and his brother was already filled with vengeance towards kratos so he didn't have a choice but to kill his own brother.
@@Numby322 No Chronos killed Deimos. Kratos had to kill his mom because she was cursed and told Kratos where his brother was and she turned into a monster.
Bro did u even plau GOW 1?
Bro fr just say cronos kill deimos
Old Kratos is like the present old Mike Tyson. You Kratos was the prime Mike Tyson
Kratos is kind of like broly or Hulk. You can't size him up, you cannot make him fear you. No matter how hard you punch, he gets enraged & instead of standing down doubles down on you. . That's how the younger version of kratos was that's a guy you would be better of not indulging in
Kratos's rage was also fueled by the death of his family that was caused by his hands due to Ares's betrayal. The fact that their death was caused by Kratos own hands also adds fuel to his hatred to Ares for practically forcing him to do it. Then he had to kill his own mother because of a curse placed on her by Zeus and he had to watch his brother who swore to protect get taken away from him again after just reuniting with him. Thor's rage is like a match incomparison to Kratos's rage and hatred which is like 10 suns put together. Kratos's rage an hatred for the gods and himself is unmatched by anyone in this series.
Only Asura can compete in Rage
When Kratos was fighting Thor he was holding back masively because he didn't wan't to kill him since he had a daughter and saw Thor was a depressed old man that loved his family and Thor still lost that fight. A younger Kratos would of Slaughtered Thor like he was nothing because young Kratos does not hold back for anybody.
Santa Monica said once that Kratos functions similar to the Hulk. Meaning the angrier he gets, the stronger he becomes
“There he is, there’s the god of war”
Yeah one punch knocked out a tooth and stunned Thor, Thor ain’t surviving.
you cant forget that Thor was SUPER into it
Bro he just knocked out a tooth you're acting like he was dying
@@enelem64 bruh the point is his “old self” knocked out a tooth in one punch. Now imagine this fight but now every punch is on that level because young kratos isn’t holding back.
@@alc4528 unlikely
@@orhandalegend no😂
Spartan rage is just a way for Old Kratos to tap into young Kratos's anger.
Young Kratos was in Spartan Rage mode 24/7.
older kratos has been through it all whereas his younger self had to learn the hard way
There’s a reason why Thor stopped the first fight between himself and Kratos after Kratos actually gave him a taste of his younger self and it wasn’t bc the “blood payment” was paid.
Thor laughed
@@merkingsavage6045 he also ran away
@@BAEHELPJAYDO Bc he got what he wanted. He wanted to see the god of war and he got it. Its cringe saying he ran when all Kratos did was knock out a tooth after hed already been fighting Thor for awhile with Thor shrugging off the gut stab. All that for a drop of blood.
At that point in the story, thor wasn't allowed to kill kratos. Odin needed kratos alive so that atreus would be willing to work with him.
Thor was a lot of things but he was NEVER the type to run from a fight. Hes a norse god for fucks sake dying in battle is literally all they want.
“I don’t want peace.. I want PROBLEMS ALWAYS!”
-Young Kratos probably
I can just imagine young kratos taking the mjolnir and just smash it on Thor’s head like he did with the Barbarian king
Old Kratos has been established to be stronger than young Kratos yet he still couldn’t lift it while Thor was wielding it so I doubt that’s how it would go.
@@doomguyslayerofdemons6191 because it wasn't sitting still it was always thrown at him or he was attacked with it if thrud could lift it im pretty sure kratos could unless your trying to say thrud is stronger than kratos please tell me your not
@@evil63 I know, that’s why I said when Thor was controlling it he couldn’t lift it.
Edit: Kratos is absolutely stronger than Thrud. That is out of the question.
@@doomguyslayerofdemons6191oh ok well some people believe thrud is stronger than kratos because she lift the hammer which is stupid
@@doomguyslayerofdemons6191 dude that doesnt matter...young kratos is much better then old kratos....
Then you should also consider younger Thor which was fit and stronger who killed 90% giants by own (on the other side Zeus killed giants with the help of his brothers) .
And that Thor was also not depressed, broken and not want to die.
Zeus killed titans 10 times the size of giants or even more with one fucking attack watch it again lmao
No he needed the blade of of Olympus to kill those Titans
Then you could just say Thor needed mjolnir or however you spell it to kill the giants
Young Kratos was quite literally unstoppable and unkillable. He couldn't even kill himself that's how strong he was. He didn't care what he had to do, who he had to hurt, or what the consequences would be. He would just do.
One thing I find interesting in Kratos was how far he has changed during the Heimdall fight. If it was young Kratos, he would have brutally killed him similar to Hermes. But he just choked him out instead.
Pretty sure he strangled him. May not be as brutal but dead is dead.
I wanted him to beat heimdalls face into paste but if he did Heimdall wouldn't have been able to see the monster in him.
Mimir definitely calmed him down a bit. I think a O marker would appear on top of Heimdall if not for Mimir lol.
To be fair with today's graphics they could not show that. They get away with it when it is a draugur or a troll or beast but actual people are off limits to stuff that brutal now.
I know old kratos is physically stronger, but in terms of actual potential and ability to deal with any enemy in front of kratos. I'm going with Young Kratos, i dont know what would stop a fully raged out kratos with hermes boots and blade of olympus coming at you, also could deflect basically anything with the golden fleece, can also fly and a ton of powerful magic at his disposal. Blade of olympus by itself is a trump card.
Bro...the blade of olympus would annhilate any enemy
@@zakaria0427 it really in you can still block it with you bare hand if your strong enough
Young Kratos had way more abilities not just weapons
Old kratos would beat young kratos
@@christianhenry4173 old kratos would win
Kratos, unlike what many people say, has not become any weaker. Old Kratos has acquired dew drops from the World Tree, many more years of combat experience, and practically everything Young Kratos had. He still has his rage, just harnesses it MUCH better.
I feel like you neglected his capacity as a general. Kratos, while hot headed, is extremely smart. He commanded the armies of Sparta, and this is evident by the puzzles he solves in the games which proves he’s more intelligent than he seems
Also if it was young thor vs young kratos it would be a whole different story. Thor in his prime was op as shit but in ragnarok he was drunk all the time to the point where he forgot that thunder icey tree that he and faye created once in their fight. Because he was always drunk. And considering that thor is drunk and kratos is controlling his rage, young kratos and thor would be a much more intense fight
@@rakanahmed4000yeah dude i swear everyone forgets how washed up thor is in this game. In his prime he probably could have killed all the greek gods with about the same amount of ease
@@punkm0nk3y2no proof that this wasn't his prime also Norse and Greek gods get physically stronger when they get old also being drunk won't affect as he is a brawler so him being drunk is an advantage he can't solo Greek especially zeus
@@punkm0nk3y2thats just head cannon. Nothing indicates or points to thor being past his prime or otherwise an out of shape fighter. Odin even in his old age is still feared and holds a great deal of power. Throughout the entirety of god of war 2018 mimir tells many stories of thor being a drunk way before kratos ever met him. In ragnarok he completes all of surtrs challenges in a very short time and says that if atreus beat it he shouldn't need help from him.
Edit: i was playing ragnarok and Odin literally tells him he likes him better when he was a drunk.
Young Kratos would absolutely discombobulate tf outta thor with his rage, the Blade of Olympus, his weapons and with his magic too.
I mean, who would EVER anger the great god of war, kratos himself? :'D
Let's just ignore that
1. Older Kratos is canonical stronger than younger Kratos
2. Thor needs world spent Venom to really hurt him
3. Thor straight-up canonically killed Kratos in their first fight, and thor wasn't even going all out in that fight.
4. Mjolnir weighs enough that Older, canonically stronger, Kratos STRUGGLED to lift, and thor swings it like a fly swatter
5. Thor has centuries of experience on younger Kratos.
6. Thor hits hard enough to break the laws of physics and send things back in time.
@@enomisv9830
1. Yes, he's supposed to be stronger, like, he could lift more, but we don't know by how much. Zeus was oldest olympian, the strongest god with the most hax and got shit on by Kratos.
2. That venom theory doesn't make sense. It's a metal axe, not a sponge, no way it lasted from the beginning of the first game with all the enemies hit and through 2-3 years of fimblewinter which also scrapped all the axe upgrades. Chances are the devs just forgot what to do with that.
3. Kratos was also holding back severely in that fight. And when he got a little angry at Thor at the end of the fight, he immediately overpowered him and knocked a tooth out.
4. Thor's hammer is not ultra heavy like in the myth here. It could even stand on Kratos's wooden table at the first meeting. Odin and Thrudd could also lift it. Kratos was struggling because: can you lift a bowling ball? Yes, with one hand. Can you catch a bowling ball flying at you at high speed while magically accelerating towards you?
5. What experience? Genociding a people with an overpowered weapon while piss-drunk? If this was an rpg where xp is rewarded for any kill, yes, but here none of that experience will help him fight Kratos 1v1. Kratos didn't gain that much battle experience either. From GoW3 to GoW5 his experience consisted of being a loner for many years, killing giant hippo, being a loner for more years, hunting animals, and killing zombies that are only a problem so gameplay doesn't get boring. Baldur and the Valkyries are the only worthwhile experiences.
6. He didn't break the laws of physics, he splintered the world tree, a magical thing which we don't know how it works in detail. This feat doesn't even make sense in the game's context. He hit the snake (stationary object) so hard it sent him back in time? Wouldn't that mean any time Kratos and Thor hit each other (energy added together), they should splinter the world tree?
@@enomisv9830 Bro, I KNOW. I ain't saying Young Kratos IS Stronger than older kratos, of course not.
Of Course Older Kratos is stronger, wiser and intelligent. I ain't that dumb.
I am just saying If Young Kratos ever went up against current Thor, than yeah he might have a chance because he can use every elemental magic, every weapon he stole from each god he disrespectfully killed and escaped hell like twice who refuses to die because he is vengeful, anger issued man (Referring to young kratos of course).
@@enomisv9830 your information wasn’t even full you forgot the fact that Kratos been holding back for a while since he left Greece
@@djangodjango5694if we’re actually goin try mythology kratos goes home in boxes within 3mins so I don’t think it’s fair to play up Zeus in that way.
I've always loved the description of young vs old Kratos as a powerful warrior vs an inevitable executioner
Old kratos is peak strength. He holds back
Isn't Kratos the literal personification of strength in Greek mythology? He would be a contender for Thor
Being the personification of something doesn't mean you have all of it.
@@MouldMadeMind it kinda does. Look at the Endless from The Sandman for example
@@pharaohbubbles1547Then explain how Hercules,Atlas,Hermes and Thanatos lost
Hercules personification and God of Strength
Atlas old personification of Strength
Hermes personification of speed
Thanatos personification of Death
@@pharaohbubbles1547 you're not very smart are you?
@@KingxZangetsu bc they aren't personification, fully. More like aspects
Kratos is like Scarpion on steroids
Fun fact
If young kratos and old kratos met, the young kratos would be looking down at the older kratos. Young kratos is 7 ft 6 and old is 6 ft 6. Idk how that works, but yeah 😂
6'4" I think, they made him Judges Height which in my opinion is better.
They met in the DLC Valhalla but young Kratos was sitting on the throne
that explains why buldur said “i thought you’d be bigger”
@@handmfunniesno that doesn't. He was expecting a giant, like surtr or the other big ones. Bladur only showed up to kratos' house because they thought freya kratos' wife was there because she was a giant or jotunn.
Gotta hand it to Kratos, he may be wiser and more restrained but he'll still take the ops any time any place, no hesitation
Old Kratos: "Boy....."
Kratos: " I AM THE GOD OF WAR🤬⚔️!!!"
Kratos said that his powers have dwindled because they were tied to his home and now it's gone
Kratos meant certain powers like the powers granted to him by the gods and titans in the original trilogy. He still has all his regular God powers though.
The devs have stated that not only is old Kratos the strongest he's ever been in the franchise, but also that the Norse pantheon is more powerful than the Greek pantheon in the GoW universe. It kind of makes sense since the Norse gods are more reliant on brute strength and they were often revered in the context of battle, while the Greek gods are more elegant and more focused on other skills and abilities besides purely battle strength than the Norse gods due to the high value of such skills in Greek society.
bro really forgetting about the fact that freya was scared/shocked when Kratos told her about the sisters of fate 💀💀💀
Can you give me evidence where the devs said Norse gods are stronger than Greek brcaus I can't find it anywhere.
@@hoesficfiric7473 it's referenced in the novelization of God of War. It's stated that at the time of fighting Baldur, Baldur was the strongest being Kratos had ever faced up until that point. This is also said about Odin's spells. While it only references specific spells with regards to "most powerful of its kind that Kratos has ever felt" I think we can conclude the stronger Norse gods at least physically outclass the Greek gods (especially Thor) while Odin's magic outclasses even the Greek enchanters and spellcasters. And I honestly think that kind of makes sense. Zeus and the rest of the Olympians didn't do that much to gain more power since they're already gods. Odin, already a god, sacrificed everything to gain more knowledge and magical power. It stands to reason that the combination of godhood and an eternity of gaining more power leads to an extremely powerful god.
@@SoupEmperor k.
When your answer yes or no but you got second to explain😂😂😂
Bro young Kratos would literally rip thor in half💀 i just imagine how Kratos brutally kills Thor using his mjolnir and then taking it as a new weapon
@mommatthew2756 ???
@mommatthew2756 Kratos was holding back for the whole fight, he didn't want to kill Thor
@mommatthew2756 my point ? Kratos was holding back because he didn't want to kill more gods because he knows what it can do to the world. If he would stop holding back this would be a quick fight. You can see what happened when he let his anger out for one second plus he can lift mjolnir
@mommatthew2756Devs statements means nothing. The games and feats shows otherwise. young Kratos is undoubtedly superior to old Kratos due to the vast abilities that he was given access to. need I list them? Blade of Olympus (a weapon capable of eradicating all of the Titans and ended the great war with a single swoop), Power of Hope (The strongest power that existed in the Greek world. It's why Kratos was able to defeat Zeus in the first place), Claws of Hades, which lets Kratos sucks in the soul of any victims of his choosing, Boots of Hermes, Nemean Cestus, you name it. not to mention that Kratos was able to block Atlas's attack.
@@x_joel308Dev statements mean nothing 💀. Serious copium. So the people who made the game don't know what they're talking about 😭😭. Bro really doesn't want to admit that Old Kratos is stronger.
Granted look at how well thor was doing in the beginning. He was man handling kratos and literally only took 1 step back when getting hit by a rage fueled kratos. If he didn't get weakened by the poison on the axe and from fighting the world serpent, I think kratos wouldn't have beat him in the end without Raging.
He beat Zeus lmao, Zeus is way stronger than Thor, ingeneral Greek Gods are far stronger than Norse Gods, so yeah that’s that
@@Ghost-Face420 How are you sure they’re stronger than Norse gods?
lol i like how santa monic hypes up the norse gods these guys are laughable. Thor would get slammed hard in greece
@@jraqz1739 norse gods to me pretty much seemed like superhumans with a little magic sprinkled in. Their deaths, while impactful, were no where near as powerful as the death of a greek god. The Greek gods magic was much more powerful. Even noted in universe by Freya, the norse realms don’t really have magic on the level of Greece. The gods of Greece just seemed more like actual forces of nature. In my opinion anyway
@@christianhenry4173 you really wanna go there, considering actual mythology Kratos would've gotten manhandled by Zeus? Santa Monica wrote the lore of *their* versions, and in their versions the Norse gods are not somehow weaker than the Greek Gods, merely more compact, focused, and well rounded. They don't lose the instant you beat their gimmick, you still have to actually 1v1 them even after that, they just cease having hax after that. Heimdall and Baldur are fantastic examples of this, versus, say, Hermes getting brutalized the instant he's off his feet, or Poseidon being incapable of fighting back the moment he loses his water horse body, or Zeus being unable to do anything once Kratos beat up the Astral Fear energy protection of his soul, you get the idea. Norse gods are consistent warriors, much closer to being like Kratos than trying to act like they are above him, and they're more right about that than the Greek gods were in their assessment.
Despite all of his evolving of a character [which original creators claim to hate, only heard and dont know the full story just throwing it out there to stop someone else from doing so as an arguement] I would actually like to see Kratos truly let loose again. But have the ability tobpull it all back. Not throw away his progress, but accept that the rage in his heart is part of hos strength. Channel it properly. And then use all of it unrestrained yet tamed when the time is right. The deffinitive "This is Kratos at his absolute peak, in control" to bring some of that old feeling of the older games again. We see him reach this because of his desire to protect Atreaus, yet now after Valhalla DLC we can probably expect him to be able to go all out without the fear holding him back. No more pulling of the punches and show everyone what the Destroyer is willing to Protect.
Remember : greek gods get stronger the older they get. And thor killed old kratos before reviving him.
The developers confirmed that older kratos is the strongest version of kratos so I’m not sure if this is entirely accurate.
The devs can say that all they want but Im not blind lol. Sure old kratos is still very strong but they still havent really showcased how kratos is more stronger than his younger self. They just want us to take their word for it without actually showing us anything extraordinary.
And yes I already know someone is going to try mentioning the cutscene where he flips over a building or when he pushed the bridge using a lever. And to that I say younger kratos has already over powered multiple titans hands and fingers which I would argue are roughly the same scale as those buildings with the added factor of the Titans immeasurable strength.
Its debatable is all Im saying. I just dislike it when people say "X thing is canon or non canon so that means Y is the only interpretation."
@D_an_ Old Krato to me has less overall fire power and strength than his prime younger self but his vast experience and newly developed self control makes him a better even more dangerous fighter.
He's probably completely outclassed, but I honestly like the idea of Thor being the only Norse God who could actually challenge Kratos
I honestly wanted Thor and Heimdall to be alive at Ragnarök. I also wanted a second Thor fight thats not during Ragnarök. The first part of the game was done amazing, but after a certain point it just gets rushed
Young Kratos "I can Cyclone of Chaos all day"
Old Kratos "Hold up let me catch my breath so i can cyclone a again."
Old kratos is still stronger 😅
@@Orcabubeog Not in gameplay so who gaf
@@Kn1ghtborne Debatable
@@Kn1ghtborne You telling me they should show the real infinite speed and strength of kratos in the game so we one shot all the bosses and enemies and finish the game? That's some one punch man level shit bro.
@@theguywholurksonyoutube7033 If we splice the correct runes/armor together we can instamelt hordes of enemies including heavies so it's not far off 🤷 plus the way they compensated for his speed and strength in the old games was to add more enemies. I miss fighting hordes of enemies. Fighting 4 tanky regular enemies who can deal massive damage through my runic attacks doesn't make me feel too Godly. The harpies grab can even interrupt heavy runic attacks while you're stuck in animation and even kill you because you can't move out of the way. That's a terrible design for a God. Plus if the Old gow games can be hard while giving him more speed and attacks I don't see why nerf his gameplay now if he's supposed to be stronger.
Young Kratos gives Thor the same work he gave Hercules.
If I was honest, Mythos Cratos would dog walk GoW Kratos due to the fact Cratos would take him out with a single punch because he is the embodiment of strength.
When you don't know lore kratos
@@evil63 hol’ up, THERES LORE?
@@largepinkthing8667 yeah you didn't know the comics the manuals the books I think more he is a lot more powerful then shown in the games in fact he would easily one shot every enemy except the gods
Unless mythos cratos is stronger than Zeus he’s getting stomped by Kratos
@@vegetasbiggestopp659 nah gow Zeus in lore is op
This shouldn’t even be a question. Young Kratos will mop the floor with Thor.
Old Kratos is stronger than young Kratos, he just holds back now.
For the last fucking time, Kratos is completely original to the God Of War franchise. The Cratus in mythology just happened to have a similar name
Not happened too his name is clearly derived from
YES....YOUNG KRATOS WOULD'VE DESTROYED THOR
The best thing I think for the next GOW game will be having atreus getting hurt really badly by an other god and Kratos going completely ballistic while having the OG theme song playing in the background
KRATOS ISN'T A MINOR DEITY ANYMORE, HE'S BEEN A GOD SINCE GOW 3
He was talking about Kratos in Greek Mythology not GOW
@@seranom HE WAS A GOD IN GREEK MYTHOLOGY.......HE BECAME A GOD IN GOD 2, LIKE SERIOUSLY🤬 DID Y'ALL EVEN PLAY THE OLDER GAMES
@@cutiepie6796 he is talking about the mythology not the games ,get that through ur thick skull
@@skylos6563 BRO GET THE FU:: OFF MY COMMENTS
@@skylos6563 HE WAS A GOD IN GREEK MYTHOLOGY.......HE BECAME A GOD IN GOD 2, LIKE SERIOUSLY🤬 DID Y'ALL EVEN PLAY THE OLDER GAMES
Younger Kratos wouldn’t have the snake poison in its blades, so the damage he would do to him would be significantly less than old Kratos
Ragnarok Kratos filled with rage☠️
Let's just forget that Thor canonical killed Kratos, and older Kratos required leviathan axe, blades of chaos, AND draupnir to beat thor, even then he only managed to get him to calm down. Unless young Kratos got the Venom from Jorm (which i doubt he'd have the patience for) he wouldn't even have a way to wear Thor down quickly since thor heals rapidly. If Kratos learned about Thor's daughter and wife, he'd be too distracted by past sins and be sloppy. Plus, Thor could probably overpower Kratos since his myth strength feats are RIDICULOUS. Just holding Mjolnir and swinging it as easily as he does matches any strength feat Kratos has, since Kratos STRUGGLES HARD to even hold mjolnir in place.
(Before anyone @'s me, I've played both gow 2018 and GoWR to completion and have seen playthroughs of the other games)
He *knocked* him out.
And the Greek weapons >>>>>>>> Norse weapons
@EL No, he straight up killed him. You got the death screen and everything, he then brought Kratos back to continue kicking his a**
I don't think you put enough > to show how biased you are.
Greek gods are stronger. Greek gods are immortal while Norse gods are mortal and can die. Also, Kratos is based off of Cratos, who is the titan of strength. Titans are stronger than Gods. Then his weaponry and spartan rage is overkill
@@snakevenom4954 doesn't change the fact that Thor killed Kratos when he wasn't going all out.
@@enomisv9830 That's a game mechanic. Like the Doomslayer being killed. They're both immortal. Let's also not forget that the game explicitly says that there's no such thing as fate. And if there was, Faye stated that fate would have Kratos live and be relished as a god. Not to mention if fate did exist, it's also entirely possible for Kratos to see what he NEEDED to see and have the sisters tell him what he NEEDED to hear for fate to take course and for Kratos to live. Therefore it's equally possible Kratos never would have died to the likes of Thor. But for Ragnarok to occur, Kratos had to think he would be killed by Thor so Atreus would go down the path of Loki to save his father and have all of the events unfold. Funny how you completely ignore this half since it's actually more plausible since Thor just doesn't have the capability to kill Kratos. To knock him out? Sure. But to kill? Not even on the same level.
Kratos with a beard looks like Grog from the Legend of Vox Machina
Kratos also got his ass kicked by a regular mortal Barbarian...
that was when he wasnt a god yet
@@Emo-_-noodle he was already born as a god but became a full god when he defeated Ares.
I want a spinoff about that guy. He clearly is the most badass dude in the whole series.
In the new game, Kratos is far stronger due to his old age. The devs had already stated this.
The only time i actually saw kratos mess up because of his anger was when he let pandora go but tbh nobody was gonna let that disrespect slide. Even though kratos was rage filled he still had control.
Its been stated multiple times that Norse Gods>Greek Gods in GOW As well as Old Kratos being far more powerful than Young Kratos
Stated where? Greek gods had more feats and even trough game, freya and mimir were in awe of what greek gods could do and what powers they had, saying noone should have that much power.
Bro it’s a well known fact the the Greek gods were far stronger then the Norse
@@mrblackandwhite5104
Yet the Game devs on twitter also confirmed things such as Zeus>Baldur, that Odin vs Zeus should be the real question. Implying Zeus and Odin aren’t far off.
In game statements as well also point to the Greek gods having greater magical power as a whole when compared to the Norse. Granted the Norse are apparently physically stronger than the Greeks for the most part.
Wrong
Even if the Greek gods are stronger than the Norse gods in GOW my own though on that matter would have been that since the death of a Greek god impacts the mortal world so heavily they might have done a kind of taboo trade of to improve their magical power and never spoken of it. I haven’t played the early series but Aries death didn’t impact the mortal world right? He wasn’t a god that relied on magical powers as much as a god of war so this kind of trade wouldn’t be necessary if that’s the case? Or if it did impact the mortal world I just missed it. 😂
Just so yall know, young kratos is like 8 feet tall and old kratos is 6 ft 4
Experience accounts for much, but Young Kratos shows a greater willingness to fight at his peak, whereas Older Kratos taps into that power only when necessary.
Thor, like Mjolnir, is a blunt instrument. His strength is matched by few, but his ferocity and martial skill is easily surpassed by both Kratos.
The thing is old Kratos would defeat him, young Kratos would decapitate him
"I've faced many gods and killed all of them. You are neither the first nor the last"
-the god of war
When kratos threatened odin with his past self it instantly gave me flashbacks. But kratos past looked pretty fun finding different unique creatures to battle to even seeing huge titans, seeing unworldly gods ,meeting random kings of their own , wiping out everysingle person who couldve stayed alive till the end just imagije if kratos did not do all those deeds maybe greek mythology couldve stayed alive just maybe
I’ve always thought that Norse Kratos seemed weaker because he has better control over his Rage. In fact, I’ve theorized that Greek Kratos is powered by his Rage, giving an appearance of being untiring and being so much stronger than Norse Kratos. So, Norse Kratos’ base level would be above Greek Kratos’ base level, but since we’ve never seen Greek Kratos being calm, it looks like Greek Kratos is stronger. From what I’ve seen Norse Kratos only really lost control twice in GOW Ragnarok, once against Thor and against Hemidall.
It’s kind of like Hulk vs Abomination in that aspect, Abomination is stronger than Calm Hulk, but once Hulk gets mad....it doesn’t end well for Abomination.
Kratos is just apart of the “Too angry to die” council. Alongside Asura, The Doomslayer and Pepino.
You forgot to mention Kratos in Ragnarok actually is beginning to allow himself to slip into that rageful state that he has from his younger years. The God of War in the flesh.
Young Kratos: Nurfed after he blew up his universe.
Lost all his overpowered weapons except one.
Was rage incarnate.
Was to angry to die literally.
Fought pantheons way stronger than Norse Mythologies pantheons.
Fought the furies who were the gods of there gods and controlled the fates of everything in his universe including him.
Fought a dude that moves faster than light and won.
Fought a dude that was the embodiment of strength and won.
Fought death itself and won.
Should I go on? Point is older Kratos gets dogged walked including thor.