Such a shame that T.C. Carson was not brought on-board to complete the dialogue, though. Just like it was a shame he was not able to bring a voiced reference in Helheim during GoW2018
@@Kaiser0hmegaI was anticipating this too throughout the whole video. Would’ve made the whole scene so much more memorable, but I guess life has other plans (and he was done dirty by the company lol).
This is exactly what Pandora wanted for Kratos since GOW 3. For him to finally understand the power of Hope. Its not just a power, it's a deeper understanding. For Kratos to finally accept himself
Wanted to tell you something since you brought up the power of hope tyr tells kratos about fear and hope but he also mentions hate and love which I think could be what atreus is about to experience but idk what kind of love and hate we're talking about right now it could be atreus's hatred for everything which takes over him and he hurts the people he loved and maybe we'll get another father son fight of kratos and atreus Or the 2nd one where it's nothing about kratos atreus starts to hate angrboda for some reason and his hatred keeps growing and growing but then it ends up in love Idk these are speculations but I do believe atreus could be influenced by hel into hating either angrboda or hating the entire world and things happen
@@DarkKing-z6b lets be certain here...if Kratos kept on going on killing, at some point it will lose flavor and God of War would die out. Sony wants to prove that Kratos can still win fights without having to kill.
@@kaushikhegde8227 The game is all about killing, that's it's called god of war, now Kratos is god of peace, and then what ? at least make remakes for the first games and let's try what we love again
I like to think that young Kratos had no words for his older self. For better or worse, he's still part of him. A reminder of his cruelty and foolishness, but also a reminder of how even that young Kratos wound up changing.
When I was a young teen playing god of war, it was an outlet for all my anger and angst. Now I'm a father playing god of war and feeling it dig into what it means to grow as a person. Kratos grew up with his audience.
Older Kratos is sweet and awesome (EDIT)Holy MALEFOR’S golem that’s ate Spyro without his annoying plot armor XD thanks thx for the 529 likes! guys it’s the most I’ve ever gotten! 😍😊 MALEFOR’S golem is even more happier. Idk might as well make a random Spyro bad ending reference XD Plus Spyro had no chance to pull her free without help. Lol 😈😂 malefor wins the end. Cynder is dessert XD
I love how much Kratos cares for his friends now especially Mimir when he almost accidentally killed him bc of being tricked he sounded genuinely scared. The bond of the two of them is amazing.
They have all had a hand in helping Kratos recover and repair his fragmented sanity. They helped to heal him, and helped him to become the man he is now....the man who can look at his past and accept the harm that he had caused, but also to recognize that he is no longer that man....that he has changed for the better. That he *can* be better. Without them....without Faye, Kratos most likely would still be the angry, bitter, pained, and bitter man that he used to be. His redemption is thanks to them being a part of his life.
Tricked? Ya but more so he was being tested and he failed. Sigrun gave them a warning where she basically said that if they don’t learn what Valhalla is *trying* to teach them, it will not play. It will *make you* learn the lesson. The sacrifice cage is from the first game where Kratos basically used a complete strangers life, as a key to a door. Valhalla essentially gave him the same scenario, and made him see Helios instead of Mimir. Someone who he doesn’t like, but at the same time doesn’t hate, and knows he did kinda dirty. But unfortunately, he didn’t even hesitate to do it again. So, Valhalla basically did a ‘your own actions will be punishment enough’ sorta thing. That’s why when he sacrificed himself instead of hastily, throwing another life away, it let him pass. They’re pretty lucky Valhalla seems to be a little forgiving.
It's extra special cause it was a God of war that fucked everything up for kratos initially and a God of war that helped him come to terms with it in the end, but both are the opposite ends of what it means to be a God of war as ares is depicted as a God of battle and violence meanwhile Tyr is depicted as a God of diplomacy and peace, both of which are important parts of war
I love the lesson here. It’s the classic you can’t get rid of something that essentially part of who you. All you can do is accept, but also remember to be better than what you once was or expect to be. That’s the only way to find peace and how you can move forward
The symbolism is so strong. Him talking to his hatred,his pride, his arrogance who had control, confronting it. By the end he accepts what he did and who he was, but is no longer. He took full control and literally took the seat of control showing that it no longer is the driving force within him and has no more power over him.
This is what Carl Jung, the most known psychiatrist and psychologist of the twentieth meant by incorporating your shadow. If you are able to, then you will become whole. A reflection of society; few are taught and fewer knows. Your shadow is you, rejecting yourself would further lead to chaos. This is my personal opinion; religion failed massively and still continues to fail across the globe to communicate fundamental understanding of oneself. It's not black or white, but grey. These stories are meant to provide mythical representations of the understanding of humanity as it arises from the ages. Shame and sad many will not be able to connect the two. And by no fault of their own, but one of the many character faults of humanity, willful ignorance where many accepts because it is easy... To each and their own. Demise that is.
@@HelioPopTart If I may offer my two cents, religion, or at least Christianity does not put as much emphasis on teaching the fundamentals of understanding oneself as much as teaching oneself to rely on and follow the rules of an omniscient entity. The understanding of oneself comes later with the help of this being in one way or another.
“You are cruel, and arrogant, and selfish… But you are *more* than that.” This part makes me tear up. Such a beautiful line. They’re really nailing down the fact that Kratos really WAS more than just a killing machine too angry to die in the trilogy. He was always a tragic character who just couldn’t catch a break.
The moment he started to say that line I was tearing up already, since I struggled with a lot of things in my life, and yet, just a videogame character that makes you remember *you're more than that* , that everything that made you feel worthless or anything else, gives you a big comfort so you could start a new chapter, a new beginning on your life, and be a better person.
2:43 I absolutely love that it's only when he recalls Pandora's words to him that he reaches a turning point. Before Freya, before Mirnir, before Atreus, and even before Faye, there was someone else who was able to speak to the humanity within Kratos, hidden under all the rage and pain; and that was Pandora. It's been hundreds of years since the destruction of the Greek Pantheon, but Kratos still remembers her last words to him. That's beautiful, man.
I like to think he still feels bad for letting Pandora 'die' after all this time. Sure, Pandora was meant to sacrifice herself anyway, but the fact that Kratos 'killed' her because he let his anger got better of him most likely why he was hurt by her death. Also, Kratos letting Pandora go so he could punch Zeus in the face is the last time he completely gave himself to his rage, making her the last victim of his anger. Zeus? At that point, killing Zeus was more like a mercy killing more than anything.
Character development 👏 I love it, seeing how much Kratos has changed and the games showing how, its amazing God of war is definitely a top game with best character development 🙌 hands down
When Kratos speaks softly it's almost like a whimper. It's incredible how Kratos was brought to life in every emotion besides rage with Christopher Judge.
@W.A.70bcenigga it’s a game chill out, somebody could be green and no one would give a fuck but uh oh there’s a black person and now it’s “racial politics”
I really appreciate the line Kratos says that young Kratos was always more than what others said he was. Acknowledging that the character was always deep, not just a mindless action power fantasy character even during the older
The first game literally begins with him jumping off a cliff because he couldn't live with his failures and felt abandoned by the gods. That depth of character was there literally from the beginning. A lot of people mistakenly think it was added retroactively in the 2nd and 3rd game. But no, Kratos was always deep. He was a loving father and husband who lost his family, a great leader who lost his men, and a devout believer who lost his faith. So all he had left was hate, and that led him to power. Now he uses that power to protect others from his fate. The writing for this game is down right legendary. Games in the mid to late 2000s were written like philosophical treatises and classical epics.
@@luxinvictus9018And yet the original creator of Kratos can’t understand this. He was trying to create a mindless killing machine and instead made a character with so much depth to explore, and now he complains about it.
@@mistertwister2000I will never understand how that man created Kratos. The depth, the pathos, everything that makes a character A CHARACTER, and the dude went “nah, that was never my intent. Kratos shouldn’t be more than a dude who kills indiscriminately”. WHY WRITE HIM IN A SOMEWHAT TRAGIC AND SYMPATHETIC WAY THEN!? Why make obvious allusions and comparisons to Greek tragedies and the flaws of Greek heroes, just to then claim none of that shit was intentional!? It pissed me off so much. I now understand how Evangelion fans felt when the writers and Anno said the Christian imagery was all for show and they didn’t do anything research into religious symbolism and lore.
@@mr.goblin6039 Yeah, it's stupid. Kratos was so much more then, and thats why we love him. I never thought he was a dull character. Disney's Hercules is a simple character. Kratos is not. Even if it was by mistake. Dude had a lot going for him, and even if he acted like a maniac he was kinda pushed into it. Even if he was a major asshole, you could understand him most of the time. My man only wanted to sleep at nights, to the point he even tried to kill himself and even that was denied from him. I would kill everyone around me too.
@mr.goblin6039 you can still have all that stuff and make him just a ruthless killing machine. That's why he's the way he is. The new games went the easy way with making him regretful for people to feel for kratos without making him a monster. But that was the brilliance of the original games. Although he was a ruthless "monster" people still loved him.
Young Kratos' body language is so subtle, yet it says so much. When Kratos enters, he's tired, and bored, and hollow. His throne has given him nothing and taken everything, and he's unimpressed by the man he will eventually become as he's lectured. He's young and arrogant, and doesn't believe he needs to hear what he's being told, like a petulant teenager. When Kratos approaches him and begins to chastise him, his lip curls and he sits up, staring Kratos down, and it even gives Kratos pause. When Kratos begins to scold his past self for his decisions, he sets his jaw and stares right through Kratos, totally unimpressed as Kratos realizes that they were still his decisions, no matter how much he's changed. After Kratos realizes that he needs to accept his past and forgive himself, we can't see what Young Kratos does. It's easy to believe that he merely disappeared off screen, but honestly? I'd like to imagine he got sick of Kratos monologuing and simply got up and walked away to sulk somewhere else.
I think his absence signifies the fact that the younger Kratos literally cannot respond or engage with self reflection and acceptance. At this point in his life Kratos is defined entirely by his hatred, mostly of himself. What can he do when he’s confronted by a man telling him he’s more than that? That there is always hope for change? He can’t respond.
You know the sad part is that kratos did all his cruel things in the Greek mythology because he lost his family. He had no reason to live and he was cursed to always have those nightmares because of that massacre. It’s funny that all this destruction wouldn’t have happened if that cruel god of war never tricked him to do that. I think if kratos had the choice between having his godly powers or having his family back, he would have chosen the latter. We saw that in one of the god of war stand alone games on the psp handheld.
What’s a tad freaky to me is that Young Kratos is reacting to what is being said. He’s not just some avatar for Kratos to yell at. When Kratos says: “There is no forgiving you. You chose!”, you can see his lip curl. This is really digging deep into Kratos’ mind. That this part of him is still there and so, so angry and hurt. But he has finally learned to temper it, to harness it for something good.
More like its pissed off because Kratos is still deflecting. His expression reads to me like "nigga.... you for real. I am you, you are me. If your going to be pissed at anyone be pissed at yourself."
I think he supposed to be both now. He is still the God of war. Now a God of war for two places. But he is also the new God of hope. I believe you can be a God of more then one thing
Kratos doesn't need to be a "God of" anything. He was always more than what others think he is, more than what he thinks even of himself. All anyone needs to be is better
One thing God of War as a franchise has that many others do not have in their newest instalments; Respect for what brought them to where they are now. This is true fan service
The franchise? Perhaps, although not really. The fandom on the other hand is completely delusional. They portray young Kratos as single-minded and shallow, which couldn't be further from the truth.
you're clearly delusional. the creators of the new games never played a minute of the originals and say the originals suck and OG Kratos was garbage and ragged on the creator when he was displeased with the newer gow games. that's some nice respect for the source meterial and franchises
@@60bangz So many games are screwing people over for the price l. we should celebrate the games that actually put time and effort into solid products instead of acting like these guys are just doing the minimum. In conclusion…L take. Side note they gave us all this for free so that $60 argument is garbage.
It's pretty fucking crazy that when Mimir reappears you can SEE how light and at peace Kratos is. That little smirk, the way he leans back. The animation is really top tier here, in a free dlc. Crazy shit.
I was expecting a fight, but this feels so much more appropriate, Kratos has moved past times where he solved every problem with violence, still uses it obviously, but only when he has to, he's grown and now confronts what is before him instead of just beating it to bloody bits.
@NeroSparda99 I bet if we had a fight with Young Kratos, you'd be singing it's praises too. Don't expect a boss fight in GoW guys, it's not that type if franchise anymore 😂
“What remained was hope, which you chose to release back to the world” A testament to Cory Barlog bringing this franchise back to life, as far as I’m concerned. Thank you, Cory. ♥️
@@crashpal I think Eli was referring to Cory reviving the series after the low point of Ascension with GOW 2018. David Jaffe only directed the first game.
Watching this scene, I got very emotional and reflective upon my own journey in life. The hatred we carry towards our past selves, without understanding the reasons why “you” made those choices. Changing the perspective from “you” to “I”, you then start to understand that you are the person who made those choices but it doesn’t mean you can’t change and be better.
i'm so glad someone else said it because i'm in the exact same boat with this scene. as someone who has bpd, watching a character like kratos not only finally shed the guilt and all of the shame of actions he can't take back but also forgiving himself and reclaiming his identity in favor of hope for who he can be instead is insanely powerful stuff. the way the camera's focus changes from the manifestation of kratos' past self to his physical self when he has this realization is so subtle you might miss it but it does WONDERS for this scene too
It was said in an earlier comment......I was an angry teenager when I played God of war revealing in the mayhem and destruction in the game play......then as I came back to the series for the Norse storyline I took was a father.....I wasn't an avatar of destruction......I was a father and a husband wanting to protect my loved ones.....I sympathized with Kratos as I played.......but this DLC.... ...it felt like I was talking with my younger self.......and accepting that I made mistakes......but I can be a better man for all I care about...but more importantly I can accept The man I see in the mirror and the man I look back on knowing that I can be better
Not only the DLC was free but it added to the story, further developed Kratos, and the ending was perfect, i was at the edge of the seat expecting a battle with his younger self, cant be the only one holding the controller waiting for a fight. But it was just him reflecting on his past self and accepting his mistakes and aiming to be better, ending was purely perfect.
I think this truly is the most beautiful thing to come out of this series…. A series that has come such a long ways in development both emotionally and story wise. It’s stunning to watch a man who has grown from a cold and hateful being to a calm and aware one. To see his journey from bloodshed and gore come full circle to him finally embracing who he is and what he has done. For all of those who took the time to read this and be apart of the community since the first gow game came out. I solute you
I love young kratos because i play god of war i play chost of Sparta and this is the young kratos i want to start the war because my name is god of war and young kratos did this when he starts war against the gods of Olympics
Finished Valhalla and this got me into so much emotion. Played this game since the start of the series in 2005. Character development at it's finest. Santa monica. Thank you for closing 2023 with this. It felt like this scenes was the final scene for Kratos' redemption arc, and it got me crying.
I already commented this in another video, so i'm like an npc, but seriously, i was scared to death until young Kratos desappeared, missing the whole emotional moment jshskasjk.
@@TakeshiMitsuhidejust vengeance and hatred... the whole arc of Kratos after GoW Ascension chronologically was about at first wanting revenge against Ares because that's what Orkos spoke of Kratos to do but almost instantly, it was about Kratos wanting his memories to wiped so he can forget and be forgotten because of the visions that he constantly has which if you know GoW Ascensions story, Kratos at one point had his memories fade away since the Furies were able to do that to oath-breakers
Self accountability & shadow work is such a difficult, arduous and uncomfortable journey. As someone who has been on & is still on that journey, this monologue resonates with me heavily. Even after doing the unthinkable & unforgivable, we MUST still find a way to look at ourselves in the mirror and move forward. GOW Ragnarok is undoubtedly the best video game I’ve played in my life. The lessons Kratos has embraced are priceless
Facts, ive done shadow work on a single aspect that took nearly a year and drained me emotionally and mentally, imagine being an immortal and doing that over and over throughout the centuries, its not just physical durability kratos has but psychological aswell.
@@akg1301 its a psychology technique centered around introspection, the idea is that there is an inner you kind of like your emotional subconcious, its takes the burden of your trauma and pain and selfish ideology but its like a child, it acts out when stressed or ignored and can lead you to doing things and you dont know why, to do shadow work is to connect and communicate with this shadow self and through this process heal trauma and reflect on yourself and your long held beliefs, there are alot of ways to go about this but in all ways its an uncomfortable process that can be pretty extreme.
@@akg1301monologue inward and think deeply about your life, your actions, and where you're going in life. What you want to be, why. Shadow work, Just another buzzword, another term for questioning & seeking answers
Incredible to find someone else on the same path towards the better. And I felt the exact same. Crazy how one to one this feels to my inner dialogues the past few weeks.
@@zachscarbrough2727I mean, Aztec and Egyptian mythology actually has some powerful beings, Japanese mythology is just "look at this guy, he comes up at night and steals your sock", so definitely not Japanese mythology, what about Arabian and Chinese mythology?,
@@Cryodrakon2 Would be sick to see Kratos fight the chinese gods. I cannot imagine the 4 heavenly kings in all their glory going toe to toe with Kratos! But at the same time it kinda don't make sense he would have beef with them unless thats his purpose now. To rebalance the world from the chaos and plague he unleashed via the Pandora's box.
😭 This brought me to legit tears hearing kratos accept himself and monologue his mind. The pain and suffering he endured, and the acceptance that he was more than he put himself as... DAMN dude... This is the writing we didn't deserve; but we needed.
Kratos wasn’t wrong. It’s just that he had to get his hands dirty to achieve victory. In the end, his revenge was justified. Yet it came at the cost of the destruction of a realm. Hopefully, now that he knows better. He will choose a better outcome.
I love how the developers realize that the fanbase slowly started seeing the past entries of the franchise the way Kratos does, as him simply being a bloodthirsty monster. This DLC is basically the game reminding both Kratos and the players that although the Greek saga was violent, it wasn't because then-Kratos was a blind monster, but because he was hurt and broken. Both the community and Kratos himself are reminded that his past was not as black and white as they remember. It serves as a great character development for Kratos while also being meta as fuck by calling out the player's own revisionism of what happened in Greece.
Granted, that doesn't mean what Kratos did in Greece wasn't selfish and horrible...because it totally was. Kratos was a brutal, selfish, near-merciless killer. He took lives without mercy, he used others without consideration for their lives. But he wasn't irredeemable, either. That dark part of him will ALWAYS be there. He will always be the God of War. He will always have those scars, the tattoo, the ashes (even if faded). But he is not the sum of his faults. He is the God of Hope now, too.
OG players always knew kratos had a heart, dude. he tried to save pandora, he gave numerous gods and enemies a chance to leave him alone and get out of his way, and he was devastated when he killed aries' son to save him from his curse
Without sounding cheesy and over praising, this was purely beautiful. They took one of the most selfish and single minded video game characters of all time, and transformed him to into a truly remorseful and sympathetic man. And it never felt forced or unearned. This is a massive achievement, and every one who has ever worked on the God of War franchise should be proud.
I saw it as A young Spartan showing respect to the elderly. at his core Kratos is a Spartan General a Spartan Solider. he was raised in all the traditions and culture of Sparta. in Spartan Culture young Spartan boys were trained to love and respect the Elderly. Spartans took this so seriously that it was common practice for younger Spartan men to yield their seat or even give up the toilet to an older man, even when visiting another state or city. so, for me this is fitting to Kratos Character. even with all that Rage he would still not speak when an Older Spartan is Lecturing or talking to him.
@@ThatRandomDude204 i actually resesrch alot about anciant greece and Sparta in my younger days. So that always stuck with me how much discipline and respect was taught in Sparta. And Kratos is a Spartan at heart. Even though he isnt in greece anymore you can tell in God of War 2018 he tries to teach his son some of the Spartan ways.
T.C. Carson probably wouldn't come back. I mean, when they made the reboot they didn't even call him to say 'Thank you for everything but we have other plans'.
To all the god of war fans that are here since starting the journey with kratos in 2005, what a truly epic moment this is. I am crying. Thank you Santa Monica.
I played and beat god of war 1 or 2?? Not absolutely suer which one but would you suggest to play all of them?? I’ve played one of the OG’s not sure which one. And god of war 3 and 4… soon I will play 5 when my son is done with it. But should I go back and play the first 2 games??? Your opinion?
It started with him sitting on a throne as the god of war. Now it ends with him sitting on throne as the god of hope. Now that's the best character development I've ever seen. Also love mimir smiling after kratos said "I would like to sit here for awhile" it looks like he was proud of his brother
Anyone who grew up with GoW series can relate. We all did things we regret and still carry. Maybe not to this extent... i hope. Still we can all be redeemed sometimes even if we dont deserve it.
I wanna talk about a weird but kinda cool comparison: The goatee on younger Kratos allows more of his scarier features to show While the beard on Older Kratos hides most of his facial features making him look remarkably gentler in comparison Case and point Kratos is now the god of beards
I was a little disappointed that we didn’t get a young kratos as the final boss of the Valhalla DLC, but this is certainly a beautiful way to end it Edit 2.2k likes?! This is a first
This made me cry. For me, this single moment brings Kratos' journey so full circle. To see him look at his past self and truly attempt to confront it in this way is so poetic and human. I started thinking about letting my stuff go, lol.
I remember the day people compare Kratos vs Thor. And now look how they depict Young Kratos in this DLC. How scary he is comparing to Thor. That death stare alone already showed his absolute strength and wining over everything.
His wife and daughter died, then his mother and brother, nothing was holding him back, unhinged, unstoppable, brutal, powerful, revenge. But now he's matured, more control, he has a son, friends, new family. A new path.
Ok the modern rendition of young Kratos look genuinely intimidating. Back then, yeah he also looks like he’s full of rage and all that, but you could still get the “protagonist” vibe when you look at him. But here he looks like a whole ass villain, man’s look like a fucking Sith Lord with those pairs of eyes lol He looks like he’s ready to bounce up any second from that throne and straight up give you a Mortal Kombat fatality. I WOULD NOT WANT TO FIGHT THAT GUY, this guy ain’t playing
There are very good reasons Kratos is feared even among divinity. That was the barest view of it, and it was still as intimidating as Vader's hallway scene in Rogue One.
Does anyone else kinda notice after he turns around to his younger self the last time calling him arrogant, selfish, and cruel, that he looks tan again. Almost as if, he lifted the curse off of himself to have his wife and child’s ashes stuck to him for life, like he finally let go. The most beautiful, gut wrenching, destructive, full circle story/game/movie I have ever witnessed and will have ever witnessed in my life
Cory Balrog did state back when GOW 2018 came out that the ashy skin color was slowly but surely coming off of Kratos. Whether that means his natural skin color comes back, who knows. But honestly… it’s not Kratos without the ash color we all come to recognize
Kratos was always more than what people saw him for. He was never just a man too angry to die. The first time we ever saw Kratos was him jumping of a cliff.
As I watched him getting angry not forgiving his younger self and then..... slowly realizing not forgiving himself was what held him back and that his present is far better then his younger really shows wisdom and remorse really is the most incredible thing I've seen in gaming history (I've never played God of War and only watched the game play footage from the first one to now)
IMO it's less about him "forgiving himself", because he literally says as much that "there's no forgiving you". Instead, he's come to terms with the fact that he's actually always had a choice on who to become even way back then, he was never pigeon-holed into becoming a monster, and not even greater powers like the fates could dictate that. He chose what he chose, and he still has choices today: now he'll be of service to his friends and to mortalkind, and regardless of what he's called, he'll keep choosing to be better than his past
@@TheMoonman4 And that is honestly the beauty of it. We have a choice. To be the best we can, or let anger and resentment cloud our mind. You don't even have to do terrible shit like what he did. Things like Dishonesty, theft, unfaithfulness. As long as you acknowledge you have done those things, a burden is lifted off your shoulders.
I got to love how as older Kratos walk towards younger Kratos, he gets out of his comfortable seating position and sit upright. As if he's ready to attack his present self if older kratos attack first. All while giving his older self that same stare he gave Hercules 😂 powerful scene 💪🏾🗿
I will be honest this is one of the best cutscenes in the God of war franchise as Kratos was able to confront his past and finally make peace with it and became the god of hope not war and I would definitely say that this is an example how he was truly changing how Pandora changed him and at the end of God of war 3 when Kratos finally got his vengeance against the gods he felt regret, knowing that vengeance destroyed his homeland, and he even went as far as to sacrifice himself to Greece could eventually heal. He tried to redeem himself for the crimes he had committed. Eventually, he finally found redemption He’s more than just the god of war he’s more than death. He is the god of Hope.
but when there's hope there will always be suffering, pain and all the darkness that comes with it a sort of balance, a necessity who knows maybe there will be a place when there's no hope but only contentment.
@@lucky4d725 Eh kinda too late. Kratos already solved his inner conflict which was the only thing Athena was guilt tripping him about even in Egypt lol. They messed up not expanding on Athena in God of war 2018.
We were young and angry like kratos once too, we grew up had kids and families and now we know what it means to be patient and truly fight for something beautiful rather than destruction and revenge…
Man.... This was full of emotion. I'm tearing up at how good this is........ Truly phenomenal. They did an amazing job with this. You can feel the conviction in his words & realizations.
@@SuperRavensfan101 This scene alone is deep, but when you contrast it with the previous games, this is just peak glory. Master of self. Wisdom & reflection.
I was, too. Certain they would argue over their morals past and present, but in the end young Kratos accepts his older self and allows him a seat on the throne.
T.C. Carson probably wouldn't come back. I mean, when they made the reboot they didn't even call him to say 'Thank you for everything but we have other plans'. He explained how he was just ghosted so..
@@heisenberg3206 You can have character development while the game still bloody and dark and this is a fact, there is no need to make Kratos the god of love and peace because there will be no point even in the name of the game in the first place
@@DarkKing-z6byou act like hope wasn't central to the plot before the timeskip, that kratos wasn't the villain by gow3 who tried to redeem himself after everything was said n done. Sure 'god of hope' sounds cheesy, but I like where that identity might lead him. And gods can be gods of multiple things, so it's not like he isn't still a god of war
@@mariacrislynvillanueva1981i thought so to but older Kratos learned to wield his own power got more battle exp and strategic young Kratos was just wild and reckless
This is such a beautiful and amazing scene. Is something so poetic but yet so outspoken about the scene. This is truly amazing and the writing is superb. This scene really brought his character full circle.
I absolutely love how they depicted young Kratos here, how he just sat there and looked at himself in the future, he wasn't a very talkative person and they got that perfectly here
I thought he was just some kind of projection at first so I didn't expect him to start moving lol. Young Kratos is terrifying, full of pure malice and rage. You can see it on his face.
Honestly felt like we were going to fight young Kratos but either way, I’ve had one hell of a time with this DLC. Santa Monica Studios must be protected at all costs 🙏🏽
5:03 hits so hard man. The slow descent as the weight leaves his shoulders. He may never be redeemed but he gave himself like what he gave the rest of us .. H O P E🔥❤️
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They did a terrific job with young Kratos, you can see his rage even in silence. Looks like he's ready to kill at all times
What do you mean by terrefic
He means they did a good job.
His expression when he punched Thor and did his thing with Heimdall, those expressions were that of the younger Kratos.
Such a shame that T.C. Carson was not brought on-board to complete the dialogue, though. Just like it was a shame he was not able to bring a voiced reference in Helheim during GoW2018
@@Kaiser0hmegaI was anticipating this too throughout the whole video. Would’ve made the whole scene so much more memorable, but I guess life has other plans (and he was done dirty by the company lol).
You know a character has completed their development and gone full circle once they have their own Shakespearean monologue about themselves.
They're like ww2 veteran
Just like Vegeta
I felt it like Ezio at the end of Revelations.
as nice as that is fk that shit I wanted more vicious kratos destroying all the pantheons!
@@Galactus23L take
Love how they formatted this as a long monologue like in ancient Greek plays. Great call back to Kratos recalling Greek Tradition.
With the ghost and everything, its a perfect soliloquy
@@richardchappy93293:30 sharp neck in the whole cutscene 😂😅... am i the only one seeing this or what look 5:30
Yea u guys clearly blind as i said
1 reason + it didnt got game of year🤣
@@djw_tekken8490 bro are you autistic or something?
Kratos was alone the first time he sat on the throne, now he is with a friend
no replies???
@@MoonzEditz_ikr
An a son who loves him an who he loves and cares for.
A friend, a brother and also a family
Mimir= brother
This is exactly what Pandora wanted for Kratos since GOW 3. For him to finally understand the power of Hope. Its not just a power, it's a deeper understanding. For Kratos to finally accept himself
Wanted to tell you something since you brought up the power of hope tyr tells kratos about fear and hope but he also mentions hate and love which I think could be what atreus is about to experience but idk what kind of love and hate we're talking about right now it could be atreus's hatred for everything which takes over him and he hurts the people he loved and maybe we'll get another father son fight of kratos and atreus
Or the 2nd one where it's nothing about kratos atreus starts to hate angrboda for some reason and his hatred keeps growing and growing but then it ends up in love
Idk these are speculations but I do believe atreus could be influenced by hel into hating either angrboda or hating the entire world and things happen
Disrespect for young kratos whick is the prime and the best verison of kratos, sony is now the disney of gaming
@@DarkKing-z6b lets be certain here...if Kratos kept on going on killing, at some point it will lose flavor and God of War would die out. Sony wants to prove that Kratos can still win fights without having to kill.
@@kaushikhegde8227 The game is all about killing, that's it's called god of war, now Kratos is god of peace, and then what ? at least make remakes for the first games and let's try what we love again
yep, and it took him over 1000 years to understand
I like to think that young Kratos had no words for his older self. For better or worse, he's still part of him. A reminder of his cruelty and foolishness, but also a reminder of how even that young Kratos wound up changing.
And they probably couldn't get the original actor to come back, damn shame too, I wanted to see them interact more
@@mohandmando7999he’s still alive fym💀
@@roamer.edits.sorry someone told me that he is dead when I asked
@@davidhamilton6883 it's probably too big of a risk. If they hired him again, it will be leaked so much
@@davidhamilton6883 I mean they would just replace him with Chris like the first game? It’s a creative choice to not have him say anything here
Young kratos is literally the dude who can stare into your soul
He can literally take ur soul with claw of hades too
Making it feel like he's roasting it over a fire in his eyes... about to eat that shit.
El kratos del primero era mucho más melancólico y profundo que el cabeza hueca del segundo.
not really, he's making more of an introspection here
Image you play kratos with vr
When I was a young teen playing god of war, it was an outlet for all my anger and angst. Now I'm a father playing god of war and feeling it dig into what it means to grow as a person.
Kratos grew up with his audience.
Which is pure brilliance I'm not sure who else did that honestl
@@TheCaliforniaHP how to train your dragon and game theory, other than that idk
Well put
That's true inspiration there. Protect your family as good as Kratos does, got it? :)
To think the original creator of GoW hates the newer games…
Idk if it’s me but young Kratos is Terrifying and Older Kratos makes me feel safe
Young Kratos was scary he killed begging servants for being in his lane while he was raging
Just look how terrifying he looks here 💀 he looks like he wants to just kill his older self
@@Diamond19-GG facts he looking like bro keep talking I'm bout to raise up and put my hands on u😂
Older Kratos is sweet and awesome (EDIT)Holy MALEFOR’S golem that’s ate Spyro without his annoying plot armor XD thanks thx for the 529 likes! guys it’s the most I’ve ever gotten! 😍😊 MALEFOR’S golem is even more happier. Idk might as well make a random Spyro bad ending reference XD Plus Spyro had no chance to pull her free without help. Lol 😈😂 malefor wins the end. Cynder is dessert XD
Bruh, they're the same person
"It's just a free DLC, you don't need to try too hard."
Writes the most beautiful monologue since the days of Shakespeare.
I’m glad it’s free. There’s too many mid ass games out there releasing boatloads of paid DLC just to milk more money of of their customers.
best monologue since the days of Shakespeare? Really?
@@4589dude They are either mentally ill or completely uncultured.
@@4589dude They are uncultured.
@@4589dude My good sir I do believe it's known as a hyperbole.
I love how much Kratos cares for his friends now especially Mimir when he almost accidentally killed him bc of being tricked he sounded genuinely scared. The bond of the two of them is amazing.
They have all had a hand in helping Kratos recover and repair his fragmented sanity. They helped to heal him, and helped him to become the man he is now....the man who can look at his past and accept the harm that he had caused, but also to recognize that he is no longer that man....that he has changed for the better. That he *can* be better. Without them....without Faye, Kratos most likely would still be the angry, bitter, pained, and bitter man that he used to be. His redemption is thanks to them being a part of his life.
He's kind of the voice of reason in a way, quite funny to think about since it's a literal decapitated talking head
Mostly Kratos friends (Greek mythology especially except Orkos) become their enemies. He also blinded by his rage, lost, etc.
Tricked? Ya but more so he was being tested and he failed. Sigrun gave them a warning where she basically said that if they don’t learn what Valhalla is *trying* to teach them, it will not play. It will *make you* learn the lesson. The sacrifice cage is from the first game where Kratos basically used a complete strangers life, as a key to a door.
Valhalla essentially gave him the same scenario, and made him see Helios instead of Mimir. Someone who he doesn’t like, but at the same time doesn’t hate, and knows he did kinda dirty. But unfortunately, he didn’t even hesitate to do it again. So, Valhalla basically did a ‘your own actions will be punishment enough’ sorta thing.
That’s why when he sacrificed himself instead of hastily, throwing another life away, it let him pass. They’re pretty lucky Valhalla seems to be a little forgiving.
Fun fact: if you pop into the lore section of the menu when you start Valhalla, Kratos has written a rather wholesome passage about Mimir. :)
Tyr is THAT therapist we so desperately need.
He's a true friend. A friend is what you need, go get one champ.
It's extra special cause it was a God of war that fucked everything up for kratos initially and a God of war that helped him come to terms with it in the end, but both are the opposite ends of what it means to be a God of war as ares is depicted as a God of battle and violence meanwhile Tyr is depicted as a God of diplomacy and peace, both of which are important parts of war
𝙼𝚒𝚗𝚞𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚝. 𝙸 𝚌𝚊𝚗'𝚝 𝚑𝚊𝚟𝚎 𝚊 𝚘𝚎𝚗𝚗𝚢 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚊 𝚏𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝚖𝚢𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚏 𝚐𝚊𝚊𝚒𝚗𝚜𝚝 𝚜𝚘𝚖𝚎𝚋𝚘𝚍𝚢 𝚎𝚕𝚜𝚎.
I'm pretty sure Tyr was Odin
@@Husk85118 not in Valhalla, in Valhalla it's the real tyr
I love the lesson here. It’s the classic you can’t get rid of something that essentially part of who you. All you can do is accept, but also remember to be better than what you once was or expect to be. That’s the only way to find peace and how you can move forward
Bro this hits hard
Dame he’s right well said
_"Get better, boy"_
That scene is better than most movies
We must be better.
The symbolism is so strong. Him talking to his hatred,his pride, his arrogance who had control, confronting it. By the end he accepts what he did and who he was, but is no longer. He took full control and literally took the seat of control showing that it no longer is the driving force within him and has no more power over him.
Great interpretation
This is what Carl Jung, the most known psychiatrist and psychologist of the twentieth meant by incorporating your shadow. If you are able to, then you will become whole. A reflection of society; few are taught and fewer knows. Your shadow is you, rejecting yourself would further lead to chaos. This is my personal opinion; religion failed massively and still continues to fail across the globe to communicate fundamental understanding of oneself. It's not black or white, but grey.
These stories are meant to provide mythical representations of the understanding of humanity as it arises from the ages. Shame and sad many will not be able to connect the two. And by no fault of their own, but one of the many character faults of humanity, willful ignorance where many accepts because it is easy...
To each and their own. Demise that is.
sym
@@HelioPopTart If I may offer my two cents, religion, or at least Christianity does not put as much emphasis on teaching the fundamentals of understanding oneself as much as teaching oneself to rely on and follow the rules of an omniscient entity. The understanding of oneself comes later with the help of this being in one way or another.
@@hsapprentice6814wym ? That was point dmbass 😂
Love how mimir smiles when kratos says that he’ll like to sit for awhile. Mimir witnessed a man come to terms with himself and can’t be happier
You could say Kratos has found his equilibrium!
don't we all deserve a friend like Mimir in our lives?
Deserve is a strong word, i think.
"Need" would match better.
*Mimir while facing the chair against Kratos' butt* Well looks like I missed everything
Not just a man, a brother. Just imagine the growth Mimir has seen over the years. In both Kratos and Atreus.
“You are cruel, and arrogant, and selfish… But you are *more* than that.”
This part makes me tear up. Such a beautiful line. They’re really nailing down the fact that Kratos really WAS more than just a killing machine too angry to die in the trilogy. He was always a tragic character who just couldn’t catch a break.
This is my favourite line as well as its a callback yo when Atreus was flaunting his godhood in the first game
Still, he was at least somewhat justified in his anger. The lengths he went however weren't. He lost everything, so in his mind, nobody else could.
Eeyup.
@@OperationZulu506my favorite line "Ares, Destroy my enemies, and my life is yours"
That line started all of this s**t!
The moment he started to say that line I was tearing up already, since I struggled with a lot of things in my life, and yet, just a videogame character that makes you remember *you're more than that* , that everything that made you feel worthless or anything else, gives you a big comfort so you could start a new chapter, a new beginning on your life, and be a better person.
2:43
I absolutely love that it's only when he recalls Pandora's words to him that he reaches a turning point. Before Freya, before Mirnir, before Atreus, and even before Faye, there was someone else who was able to speak to the humanity within Kratos, hidden under all the rage and pain; and that was Pandora. It's been hundreds of years since the destruction of the Greek Pantheon, but Kratos still remembers her last words to him. That's beautiful, man.
I like to think he still feels bad for letting Pandora 'die' after all this time. Sure, Pandora was meant to sacrifice herself anyway, but the fact that Kratos 'killed' her because he let his anger got better of him most likely why he was hurt by her death. Also, Kratos letting Pandora go so he could punch Zeus in the face is the last time he completely gave himself to his rage, making her the last victim of his anger. Zeus? At that point, killing Zeus was more like a mercy killing more than anything.
Character development 👏 I love it, seeing how much Kratos has changed and the games showing how, its amazing God of war is definitely a top game with best character development 🙌 hands down
Poor pandora
Did he just forget it for all that time until now?
@@jovanbanks5277repressed, more likelu
When Kratos speaks softly it's almost like a whimper. It's incredible how Kratos was brought to life in every emotion besides rage with Christopher Judge.
@W.A.70bcenigga it’s a game chill out, somebody could be green and no one would give a fuck but uh oh there’s a black person and now it’s “racial politics”
@W.A.70bce what?
@W.A.70bcewhy r u talking like that
@@A-strange-visitor They're butt-hurt that a shapeshifting character was portrayed as black and voiced by an African-American actress.
@W.A.70bce there is no virtue signaling. some people are just good, they arent like you who just does good things thinking about yourself
I really appreciate the line Kratos says that young Kratos was always more than what others said he was. Acknowledging that the character was always deep, not just a mindless action power fantasy character even during the older
The first game literally begins with him jumping off a cliff because he couldn't live with his failures and felt abandoned by the gods.
That depth of character was there literally from the beginning. A lot of people mistakenly think it was added retroactively in the 2nd and 3rd game. But no, Kratos was always deep. He was a loving father and husband who lost his family, a great leader who lost his men, and a devout believer who lost his faith. So all he had left was hate, and that led him to power. Now he uses that power to protect others from his fate.
The writing for this game is down right legendary. Games in the mid to late 2000s were written like philosophical treatises and classical epics.
@@luxinvictus9018And yet the original creator of Kratos can’t understand this. He was trying to create a mindless killing machine and instead made a character with so much depth to explore, and now he complains about it.
@@mistertwister2000I will never understand how that man created Kratos. The depth, the pathos, everything that makes a character A CHARACTER, and the dude went “nah, that was never my intent. Kratos shouldn’t be more than a dude who kills indiscriminately”. WHY WRITE HIM IN A SOMEWHAT TRAGIC AND SYMPATHETIC WAY THEN!? Why make obvious allusions and comparisons to Greek tragedies and the flaws of Greek heroes, just to then claim none of that shit was intentional!? It pissed me off so much. I now understand how Evangelion fans felt when the writers and Anno said the Christian imagery was all for show and they didn’t do anything research into religious symbolism and lore.
@@mr.goblin6039 Yeah, it's stupid. Kratos was so much more then, and thats why we love him. I never thought he was a dull character. Disney's Hercules is a simple character. Kratos is not. Even if it was by mistake. Dude had a lot going for him, and even if he acted like a maniac he was kinda pushed into it. Even if he was a major asshole, you could understand him most of the time.
My man only wanted to sleep at nights, to the point he even tried to kill himself and even that was denied from him. I would kill everyone around me too.
@mr.goblin6039 you can still have all that stuff and make him just a ruthless killing machine. That's why he's the way he is. The new games went the easy way with making him regretful for people to feel for kratos without making him a monster. But that was the brilliance of the original games. Although he was a ruthless "monster" people still loved him.
This is what Mike Tyson feels like
Exactly bro.
I was just thinking this
There is a clip of him calling his belts garbage , see that
Lmao
No fr tho Mike Tyson’s character arc is just like kratos
Young Kratos' body language is so subtle, yet it says so much.
When Kratos enters, he's tired, and bored, and hollow. His throne has given him nothing and taken everything, and he's unimpressed by the man he will eventually become as he's lectured. He's young and arrogant, and doesn't believe he needs to hear what he's being told, like a petulant teenager. When Kratos approaches him and begins to chastise him, his lip curls and he sits up, staring Kratos down, and it even gives Kratos pause. When Kratos begins to scold his past self for his decisions, he sets his jaw and stares right through Kratos, totally unimpressed as Kratos realizes that they were still his decisions, no matter how much he's changed.
After Kratos realizes that he needs to accept his past and forgive himself, we can't see what Young Kratos does. It's easy to believe that he merely disappeared off screen, but honestly? I'd like to imagine he got sick of Kratos monologuing and simply got up and walked away to sulk somewhere else.
🤯 Damn...
So kratos was talking to kratos about how kratos was a bad kratos and bad kratos left kratos while talking about kratos to be a better kratos
@@Malikbeatsdz TLDR No bad boy kratos, now gud kratos
I think his absence signifies the fact that the younger Kratos literally cannot respond or engage with self reflection and acceptance. At this point in his life Kratos is defined entirely by his hatred, mostly of himself. What can he do when he’s confronted by a man telling him he’s more than that? That there is always hope for change?
He can’t respond.
Thank you for explaining in great detail what everyone saw😂
Kratos talking to his younger self was so emotional
Would have hit wayyy harder had I not mastered 3 other games since release of gow ragnarok
True
Just wish the va for kratos ftom gow3 couldve voiced acted as young kratos talking back to his dialogues
@@zeek1893 what?
You know the sad part is that kratos did all his cruel things in the Greek mythology because he lost his family. He had no reason to live and he was cursed to always have those nightmares because of that massacre. It’s funny that all this destruction wouldn’t have happened if that cruel god of war never tricked him to do that. I think if kratos had the choice between having his godly powers or having his family back, he would have chosen the latter. We saw that in one of the god of war stand alone games on the psp handheld.
What’s a tad freaky to me is that Young Kratos is reacting to what is being said. He’s not just some avatar for Kratos to yell at. When Kratos says: “There is no forgiving you. You chose!”, you can see his lip curl. This is really digging deep into Kratos’ mind. That this part of him is still there and so, so angry and hurt. But he has finally learned to temper it, to harness it for something good.
like Donald duck
More like its pissed off because Kratos is still deflecting.
His expression reads to me like "nigga.... you for real. I am you, you are me. If your going to be pissed at anyone be pissed at yourself."
Perhaps it's a mix of both. A remnant of inner hatred that's frustrated with both the world and himself.@@Kspice9000
Naw, OP got it right. Don't miss the beauty of what's happening. Its still in him, but he controls it.@@Kspice9000
I hope we get to see Kratos be a super duper bad ass again. Full of rage and all that.
He was no longer the God of War, of pain and suffering, because he was more than all that... He was now, the God of Hope.
I think he supposed to be both now. He is still the God of war. Now a God of war for two places. But he is also the new God of hope. I believe you can be a God of more then one thing
@@bluenitethewarrior9332Yes, you can be a god of more than one thing. Athena was the goddess of war as well as knowledge.
Ares was the God of War but also the God of Protecting mistreated Women in Greek myth
Kratos doesn't need to be a "God of" anything. He was always more than what others think he is, more than what he thinks even of himself. All anyone needs to be is better
@TheMoonman4 that's fine and all but the question was if he's the God of two things.
One thing God of War as a franchise has that many others do not have in their newest instalments; Respect for what brought them to where they are now. This is true fan service
The franchise? Perhaps, although not really.
The fandom on the other hand is completely delusional. They portray young Kratos as single-minded and shallow, which couldn't be further from the truth.
It helps that the creative director has been there since the beginning. Cory Barlog is the God of War franchise, through and through.
@@longlostwraith5106 lets be honest he was single minded on revenge cause his rage but it cost him a lot he see that now
you're clearly delusional. the creators of the new games never played a minute of the originals and say the originals suck and OG Kratos was garbage and ragged on the creator when he was displeased with the newer gow games. that's some nice respect for the source meterial and franchises
Shame last of us couldnt pull it off and killed the series
I love that they took the time to completely model a younger Kratos, he looks so damn good. Possible next gen remakes for the older GOWs incoming??👀👀
The best part is that the young Kratos skin is usable in NG+ and Valhalla.
I mean that’s why we pay them/buy the game
@@60bangzL take
@@CoolKtt W Take. If we are paying $60 for a game we expect them to take time and make it look good
@@60bangz So many games are screwing people over for the price l. we should celebrate the games that actually put time and effort into solid products instead of acting like these guys are just doing the minimum. In conclusion…L take. Side note they gave us all this for free so that $60 argument is garbage.
It's pretty fucking crazy that when Mimir reappears you can SEE how light and at peace Kratos is. That little smirk, the way he leans back. The animation is really top tier here, in a free dlc. Crazy shit.
Ironically, believing yourself to be damned and still choosing to do the right thing anyway is one of the most heroic things I can imagine.
Teal'c Tomin scene Stargate Ark of Truth.
It's admirable.
I was expecting a fight, but this feels so much more appropriate, Kratos has moved past times where he solved every problem with violence, still uses it obviously, but only when he has to, he's grown and now confronts what is before him instead of just beating it to bloody bits.
I think this is the clear message. Instead of fighting himself he chose to accept himself and his mistakes.
Whatever should’ve still got a fight with him
@@LoneWolfe_XXyou completely missed the point 💀
@@LoneWolfe_XX your brain smooth as fuck, this isn’t the series to have those expectations all the time anymore
@NeroSparda99 I bet if we had a fight with Young Kratos, you'd be singing it's praises too. Don't expect a boss fight in GoW guys, it's not that type if franchise anymore 😂
“What remained was hope, which you chose to release back to the world”
A testament to Cory Barlog bringing this franchise back to life, as far as I’m concerned. Thank you, Cory. ♥️
And Jaffe?
@@crashpal I think Eli was referring to Cory reviving the series after the low point of Ascension with GOW 2018. David Jaffe only directed the first game.
new director ruined god of war
@@TMW_ShadowStarr Yes. Thank you.
@@NatorNatashm?
Watching this scene, I got very emotional and reflective upon my own journey in life. The hatred we carry towards our past selves, without understanding the reasons why “you” made those choices. Changing the perspective from “you” to “I”, you then start to understand that you are the person who made those choices but it doesn’t mean you can’t change and be better.
i'm so glad someone else said it because i'm in the exact same boat with this scene. as someone who has bpd, watching a character like kratos not only finally shed the guilt and all of the shame of actions he can't take back but also forgiving himself and reclaiming his identity in favor of hope for who he can be instead is insanely powerful stuff. the way the camera's focus changes from the manifestation of kratos' past self to his physical self when he has this realization is so subtle you might miss it but it does WONDERS for this scene too
very well said @@lukewarm_hotdog
This scene hit me hard as well…
It was said in an earlier comment......I was an angry teenager when I played God of war revealing in the mayhem and destruction in the game play......then as I came back to the series for the Norse storyline I took was a father.....I wasn't an avatar of destruction......I was a father and a husband wanting to protect my loved ones.....I sympathized with Kratos as I played.......but this DLC.... ...it felt like I was talking with my younger self.......and accepting that I made mistakes......but I can be a better man for all I care about...but more importantly I can accept The man I see in the mirror and the man I look back on knowing that I can be better
Reasons? Yes. But excuses? No.
1:45 so nostalgic song
Not only the DLC was free but it added to the story, further developed Kratos, and the ending was perfect, i was at the edge of the seat expecting a battle with his younger self, cant be the only one holding the controller waiting for a fight. But it was just him reflecting on his past self and accepting his mistakes and aiming to be better, ending was purely perfect.
Damn a fight between these two would have exploded the console
That would be sick lol
@@alan370z4😂😂😂😂😂😂
And this was a dlc?? How many dlc are on god of war 5??
I was waiting to hear Young Kratos speak with Terrance C. Carson's voice. That would have been a terrific send-off to the original VA.
Was hoping to hear T.C. Carson voice young kratos again.
Exactly,that would be so awesome🤌🏾
@@matthisdossou5612me to
Agreed TC the 🐐
I wish bro, that would be awesome 😎
Me too 😢
At the end, Kratos grabbing mimir from nothing was hilarious. Kratos just accepts valhalla doing its thing and doesnt question it
bro pull him out of his inventory 💀💀
@@GoestiaDimas Ass inventory
00:11 lowkey thought he said (Hard Fart)
😂
I think this truly is the most beautiful thing to come out of this series…. A series that has come such a long ways in development both emotionally and story wise. It’s stunning to watch a man who has grown from a cold and hateful being to a calm and aware one. To see his journey from bloodshed and gore come full circle to him finally embracing who he is and what he has done. For all of those who took the time to read this and be apart of the community since the first gow game came out. I solute you
Salute you 2 brother 💯
And most importantly, it was fun murdering everyone as young kratos.
Nice
I love young kratos because i play god of war i play chost of Sparta and this is the young kratos i want to start the war because my name is god of war and young kratos did this when he starts war against the gods of Olympics
@@محمودمحمد-ي6ب9ش you're sounding like a manchild rn
Finished Valhalla and this got me into so much emotion. Played this game since the start of the series in 2005. Character development at it's finest. Santa monica. Thank you for closing 2023 with this. It felt like this scenes was the final scene for Kratos' redemption arc, and it got me crying.
Same here bro. After all these years of criticism, this monologue finally gives Kratos the credit he deserves.
Not really, He did just said that he would sit for a while, right? Nah, there are still other mythologies for him to conquer.
Unreal
Gow end with gow 3. Period.
@@vezolf4313and yet here we all are on a gow video after gow 3…doesn’t seem like it ended to me
They made the young Kratos look so f*ckin scary!
I already commented this in another video, so i'm like an npc, but seriously, i was scared to death until young Kratos desappeared, missing the whole emotional moment jshskasjk.
I actually thought he was gonna have to fight his younger self when his younger self moved
I'd argue that's kinda the point, because back then, a lot of his arc was him commiting acts of violence towards anything with a pulse, vs now
@@lilsoonerfaninmohe like him for violence
@@Nfficially.Haha. He does look satanic😂
Tyr holding that punch like it was nothing 0:04
149 yupppppppppp
Really funny him saying "Stop Kratos. I yield." when it really looks like he could still kick his ass
Nah KRATOS didn't like to punch him like to kill just defend @@seongjaeoh8742
Shit was so hard that it had a shockwave,tyr is a beast
Kratos wasn't even trying. Tyr might be powerful, but Kratos is the GOD killer.
Young kratos eyes make him look 10x scarier, kinda like how anakins eyes looked when he turned to the dark side
Eyes of pure malice and hatred.
It's the time when Kratos was still consumed by vengeance and hatred, a sad and pitiful God of War.
@@TakeshiMitsuhidejust vengeance and hatred... the whole arc of Kratos after GoW Ascension chronologically was about at first wanting revenge against Ares because that's what Orkos spoke of Kratos to do but almost instantly, it was about Kratos wanting his memories to wiped so he can forget and be forgotten because of the visions that he constantly has which if you know GoW Ascensions story, Kratos at one point had his memories fade away since the Furies were able to do that to oath-breakers
Self accountability & shadow work is such a difficult, arduous and uncomfortable journey. As someone who has been on & is still on that journey, this monologue resonates with me heavily. Even after doing the unthinkable & unforgivable, we MUST still find a way to look at ourselves in the mirror and move forward. GOW Ragnarok is undoubtedly the best video game I’ve played in my life. The lessons Kratos has embraced are priceless
Facts, ive done shadow work on a single aspect that took nearly a year and drained me emotionally and mentally, imagine being an immortal and doing that over and over throughout the centuries, its not just physical durability kratos has but psychological aswell.
@@atomosvrial1708what is shadow work and does it have any benefits?
@@akg1301 its a psychology technique centered around introspection, the idea is that there is an inner you kind of like your emotional subconcious, its takes the burden of your trauma and pain and selfish ideology but its like a child, it acts out when stressed or ignored and can lead you to doing things and you dont know why, to do shadow work is to connect and communicate with this shadow self and through this process heal trauma and reflect on yourself and your long held beliefs, there are alot of ways to go about this but in all ways its an uncomfortable process that can be pretty extreme.
@@akg1301monologue inward and think deeply about your life, your actions, and where you're going in life.
What you want to be, why.
Shadow work, Just another buzzword, another term for questioning & seeking answers
Incredible to find someone else on the same path towards the better. And I felt the exact same. Crazy how one to one this feels to my inner dialogues the past few weeks.
This DLC feels like a bridge to the next game. Tyr boss fights he uses weapons from Egypt and Aztec mythology. That’s already a big hint.
And Japanese. He used a katana (I think, katanas are usually straighter, whereas that sword was distinctly curved.)
@@zachscarbrough2727azkshually, it's called a nodachi, you peon :nerd:
(I'm being sarcastic)
@@zachscarbrough2727I mean, Aztec and Egyptian mythology actually has some powerful beings, Japanese mythology is just "look at this guy, he comes up at night and steals your sock", so definitely not Japanese mythology, what about Arabian and Chinese mythology?,
@@Cryodrakon2 Would be sick to see Kratos fight the chinese gods. I cannot imagine the 4 heavenly kings in all their glory going toe to toe with Kratos! But at the same time it kinda don't make sense he would have beef with them unless thats his purpose now. To rebalance the world from the chaos and plague he unleashed via the Pandora's box.
@@froshteaoooo, or Kratos fighting or working with Sun Wukong? That would be epic.
"A man believing he was only capable of rage remembers he's a god capable of love and hope... plus rage"
😭 This brought me to legit tears hearing kratos accept himself and monologue his mind. The pain and suffering he endured, and the acceptance that he was more than he put himself as... DAMN dude... This is the writing we didn't deserve; but we needed.
Kratos wasn’t wrong.
It’s just that he had to get his hands dirty to achieve victory.
In the end, his revenge was justified. Yet it came at the cost of the destruction of a realm.
Hopefully, now that he knows better. He will choose a better outcome.
Our world tyrants need to hear this.....
@@Alternative_AlbaIt absolutely wasn’t justified. Even Kratos himself recognizes that.
@@CaptainEffortlol no
@@crazychase98 No to which part…? Kratos knowing it was wrong isn’t arguable.
I love how the developers realize that the fanbase slowly started seeing the past entries of the franchise the way Kratos does, as him simply being a bloodthirsty monster. This DLC is basically the game reminding both Kratos and the players that although the Greek saga was violent, it wasn't because then-Kratos was a blind monster, but because he was hurt and broken. Both the community and Kratos himself are reminded that his past was not as black and white as they remember. It serves as a great character development for Kratos while also being meta as fuck by calling out the player's own revisionism of what happened in Greece.
Granted, that doesn't mean what Kratos did in Greece wasn't selfish and horrible...because it totally was. Kratos was a brutal, selfish, near-merciless killer. He took lives without mercy, he used others without consideration for their lives.
But he wasn't irredeemable, either.
That dark part of him will ALWAYS be there. He will always be the God of War. He will always have those scars, the tattoo, the ashes (even if faded). But he is not the sum of his faults. He is the God of Hope now, too.
Being broken and hurt doesn't stop u from being a monster. Would u use that logic in real life too?
OG players always knew kratos had a heart, dude. he tried to save pandora, he gave numerous gods and enemies a chance to leave him alone and get out of his way, and he was devastated when he killed aries' son to save him from his curse
God of War Was ALWAYS deep.
bulls%%t... people forget the depth of kratos in the early games. its crazy and annoying as a god of war fan
Without sounding cheesy and over praising, this was purely beautiful. They took one of the most selfish and single minded video game characters of all time, and transformed him to into a truly remorseful and sympathetic man. And it never felt forced or unearned. This is a massive achievement, and every one who has ever worked on the God of War franchise should be proud.
And because even he could become this remorseful and wise man, anyone can do it too. The God of Hope.
Wait ? Where is this? I don't remember this in the game
Kind of like Mike Tyson
@@CPNTT You are very naive if you think everyone can become remorseful and wise.
They turned him down a path that teaches many of us; fatherhood. He became a great father and sought redemption
Bro finally ended the long war happening within him.
As he sat on the throne once more I got chills down my spine I felt like a long chapter has ended and a new one begins.
He finally got his dad chair.
@@BalthazarBullmann Exactly what I was thinking, bro sat on the throne like he just came home from a long day of work.
He sat on Mimirs face 😂
Kinda hoped to hear young Kratos talk but this is just as good he finally came full circle
I saw it as A young Spartan showing respect to the elderly. at his core Kratos is a Spartan General a Spartan Solider. he was raised in all the traditions and culture of Sparta. in Spartan Culture young Spartan boys were trained to love and respect the Elderly. Spartans took this so seriously that it was common practice for younger Spartan men to yield their seat or even give up the toilet to an older man, even when visiting another state or city. so, for me this is fitting to Kratos Character. even with all that Rage he would still not speak when an Older Spartan is Lecturing or talking to him.
@@matthewjuarbe5826 That would make a lot of sense actually
@@ThatRandomDude204 i actually resesrch alot about anciant greece and Sparta in my younger days. So that always stuck with me how much discipline and respect was taught in Sparta. And Kratos is a Spartan at heart. Even though he isnt in greece anymore you can tell in God of War 2018 he tries to teach his son some of the Spartan ways.
T.C. Carson probably wouldn't come back. I mean, when they made the reboot they didn't even call him to say 'Thank you for everything but we have other plans'.
Imagine if Tealc spoke through young kratos to the older one....idc what he would've said i would have had chills
Christopher Judge is just amazing with his performance and handling of Kratos. This is just fantastic acting.
5:34 All Hail Kratos God of War, Lord of Peace, Bringer of Hope.
3:14 when the original theme started playing here i wanted to cry so bad this series has truly aged well
1:50 man
@@gtafan110010 this series is too good man
This new god of soy aint shit
Chains of Olympus😢
@@v3al0m69 bro that scene with calliope.. :(
To all the god of war fans that are here since starting the journey with kratos in 2005, what a truly epic moment this is. I am crying. Thank you Santa Monica.
Man I wish I could get the same closure you fans just got, I'm still waiting on crisis 4
@@thisisanameiuse no worries, they are working on crisis 4 as we speak. It's confirmed
I played and beat god of war 1 or 2?? Not absolutely suer which one but would you suggest to play all of them?? I’ve played one of the OG’s not sure which one. And god of war 3 and 4… soon I will play 5 when my son is done with it. But should I go back and play the first 2 games??? Your opinion?
@@reiferdranzer3752No shit? Hell yeah, about time we get closure. Hopefully Nomad this time around.
@reiferdranzer3752 I know, I had the luck to forget about it entirely once so I got to feel the excitement twice just as strong
It started with him sitting on a throne as the god of war. Now it ends with him sitting on throne as the god of hope. Now that's the best character development I've ever seen.
Also love mimir smiling after kratos said "I would like to sit here for awhile" it looks like he was proud of his brother
Anyone who grew up with GoW series can relate. We all did things we regret and still carry. Maybe not to this extent... i hope. Still we can all be redeemed sometimes even if we dont deserve it.
I wanna talk about a weird but kinda cool comparison:
The goatee on younger Kratos allows more of his scarier features to show
While the beard on Older Kratos hides most of his facial features making him look remarkably gentler in comparison
Case and point Kratos is now the god of beards
Plus older Kratos is more flesh colored. The red mark and ashen skin is considerably diminished compared to his younger self
Beard god
Beard god
"what am I, the god of war, god of pain...?"
"god of fools! god of....
beards."
@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174 help-
Seems like he’s really growing Zeus’ beard
Although I think it looks more like Deimos’ beard now that I look at it
I was a little disappointed that we didn’t get a young kratos as the final boss of the Valhalla DLC, but this is certainly a beautiful way to end it
Edit 2.2k likes?! This is a first
It was totally made up by the final fight with Tyr. Absolutely insane and amazing with him using weapons of different lands
@@dr.edwardrichtofen365I know the spiked paddle is from south America and the katana is Japanese, but where do the curved swords come from?
@@phillnyetheplaylistguy3759Egypt, they are sickles from egypt.
the egyptian khopesh@@hydrodex8409
@@hydrodex8409I hate to be that guy but those are called Khopesh. They were swords used by the Egyptians, typically made of bronze or iron.
This made me cry.
For me, this single moment brings Kratos' journey so full circle. To see him look at his past self and truly attempt to confront it in this way is so poetic and human.
I started thinking about letting my stuff go, lol.
😢 spirit moose
good for you
Full...
Circle?...⭕
Bro is having an introspective monologue with his younger self. I think he has come full circle.
I remember the day people compare Kratos vs Thor. And now look how they depict Young Kratos in this DLC. How scary he is comparing to Thor. That death stare alone already showed his absolute strength and wining over everything.
Young Kratos would clap Thor easily
His wife and daughter died, then his mother and brother, nothing was holding him back, unhinged, unstoppable, brutal, powerful, revenge.
But now he's matured, more control, he has a son, friends, new family. A new path.
@@firstnamelastname1640Thor would curbstomo young kratos
bro like what this drunk disgrace of a god can do to young kratos lol@@Comicedits39
@@nikohuncho better than being a Murderous, Revenge Seeking Mainiac with kills Without cause Lol
Ok the modern rendition of young Kratos look genuinely intimidating. Back then, yeah he also looks like he’s full of rage and all that, but you could still get the “protagonist” vibe when you look at him. But here he looks like a whole ass villain, man’s look like a fucking Sith Lord with those pairs of eyes lol He looks like he’s ready to bounce up any second from that throne and straight up give you a Mortal Kombat fatality. I WOULD NOT WANT TO FIGHT THAT GUY, this guy ain’t playing
There are very good reasons Kratos is feared even among divinity. That was the barest view of it, and it was still as intimidating as Vader's hallway scene in Rogue One.
oh ye because he just was 'full of rage' all the time and supposedly had a 'protagonist' vibe or look... good one
Does anyone else kinda notice after he turns around to his younger self the last time calling him arrogant, selfish, and cruel, that he looks tan again. Almost as if, he lifted the curse off of himself to have his wife and child’s ashes stuck to him for life, like he finally let go. The most beautiful, gut wrenching, destructive, full circle story/game/movie I have ever witnessed and will have ever witnessed in my life
I think that may just be a trick of the lighting he’s in, but a deliberate one nonetheless
Cory Balrog did state back when GOW 2018 came out that the ashy skin color was slowly but surely coming off of Kratos. Whether that means his natural skin color comes back, who knows. But honestly… it’s not Kratos without the ash color we all come to recognize
“……but you are more then that” hit so hard
I think it’s cool how towards the end the light makes it look like the ash isn’t on his skin anymore
I feel like the ashes were finally fading permanently he still has them for gameplay purposes
Actually Kratos still looks really white. His skin is actually copper colored.
What a beautifully crafted story. Such a full circle moment. The developers really poured their hearts and soul into this and it shows.
Yeah I see. This is what happens when both the players and the creators are proud of a franchise.
Welp, time for a ng+ replay with the young Kratos skin
U can do that??
@@Barr-aevvyes, young Kratos skin available in Valhalla and Ragnarok ng+ after you beat Valhalla
@@arpadszabo661it’s not a skin unfortunately it’s just armour
Amen
@@Therogueviking95it is a skin. You can change it in the armor menu with l3 or r3 and wear all the different armors with young Kratos
Kratos was always more than what people saw him for.
He was never just a man too angry to die.
The first time we ever saw Kratos was him jumping of a cliff.
This comment hit my nostalgia.
Oh man😮
Kratos is easily one of the best characters made in fiction. His journey of forgiveness and redemption is beautiful and perfect.
As I watched him getting angry not forgiving his younger self and then..... slowly realizing not forgiving himself was what held him back and that his present is far better then his younger really shows wisdom and remorse really is the most incredible thing I've seen in gaming history
(I've never played God of War and only watched the game play footage from the first one to now)
IMO it's less about him "forgiving himself", because he literally says as much that "there's no forgiving you". Instead, he's come to terms with the fact that he's actually always had a choice on who to become even way back then, he was never pigeon-holed into becoming a monster, and not even greater powers like the fates could dictate that. He chose what he chose, and he still has choices today: now he'll be of service to his friends and to mortalkind, and regardless of what he's called, he'll keep choosing to be better than his past
@@TheMoonman4 And that is honestly the beauty of it. We have a choice. To be the best we can, or let anger and resentment cloud our mind. You don't even have to do terrible shit like what he did. Things like Dishonesty, theft, unfaithfulness. As long as you acknowledge you have done those things, a burden is lifted off your shoulders.
They manage to make young Kratos looking more ruthless and savage, I could feel his every rage through the screen sheesh.
6:18 pov: me finding thath one chair thath was really cormoftable i used when i was a kid
😂😂😂
I got to love how as older Kratos walk towards younger Kratos, he gets out of his comfortable seating position and sit upright. As if he's ready to attack his present self if older kratos attack first. All while giving his older self that same stare he gave Hercules 😂 powerful scene 💪🏾🗿
1:30 when i finally catch the guy whos been ruining my life.
Yourself?
Naaah bro’s life must be awful if it’s getting fucked up by Kratos 💀
i bet that guy is more complicated than that
Nah it's the damn door it's always the door
Difference is is that it wont be talking
I will be honest this is one of the best cutscenes in the God of war franchise as Kratos was able to confront his past and finally make peace with it and became the god of hope not war and I would definitely say that this is an example how he was truly changing how Pandora changed him and at the end of God of war 3 when Kratos finally got his vengeance against the gods he felt regret, knowing that vengeance destroyed his homeland, and he even went as far as to sacrifice himself to Greece could eventually heal. He tried to redeem himself for the crimes he had committed. Eventually, he finally found redemption He’s more than just the god of war he’s more than death. He is the god of Hope.
👏🏿Beautiful comment, Well said.
but when there's hope there will always be suffering, pain and all the darkness that comes with it a sort of balance, a necessity who knows maybe there will be a place when there's no hope but only contentment.
Too bad Athena got no conclusion. As far as I'm aware chick was still haunting Kratos
@@NinjapowerMS there are still lots of questions left unanswered. We'll find out someday.
@@lucky4d725 Eh kinda too late. Kratos already solved his inner conflict which was the only thing Athena was guilt tripping him about even in Egypt lol. They messed up not expanding on Athena in God of war 2018.
We were young and angry like kratos once too, we grew up had kids and families and now we know what it means to be patient and truly fight for something beautiful rather than destruction and revenge…
Man.... This was full of emotion. I'm tearing up at how good this is........ Truly phenomenal. They did an amazing job with this. You can feel the conviction in his words & realizations.
the music/score in this scene as well had me getting teary eyed with the emotions of kratos etched on his eyes and face
@@SuperRavensfan101 This scene alone is deep, but when you contrast it with the previous games, this is just peak glory. Master of self. Wisdom & reflection.
I was actually expecting TC Carson to start talking when young Kratos appeared
I was, too. Certain they would argue over their morals past and present, but in the end young Kratos accepts his older self and allows him a seat on the throne.
T.C. Carson probably wouldn't come back. I mean, when they made the reboot they didn't even call him to say 'Thank you for everything but we have other plans'. He explained how he was just ghosted so..
Kratos, the God of Hope.
Disrespect for young kratos whick is the prime and the best verison of kratos, sony is now the disney of gaming
@@DarkKing-z6bbruh u saying that the new games messed up Kratos character ?
@@DarkKing-z6b so you don't like character development? fine but don't make your opinion as a fact
@@heisenberg3206 You can have character development while the game still bloody and dark and this is a fact, there is no need to make Kratos the god of love and peace because there will be no point even in the name of the game in the first place
@@DarkKing-z6byou act like hope wasn't central to the plot before the timeskip, that kratos wasn't the villain by gow3 who tried to redeem himself after everything was said n done. Sure 'god of hope' sounds cheesy, but I like where that identity might lead him. And gods can be gods of multiple things, so it's not like he isn't still a god of war
I love that head tilt, such a classic Christopher Judge motion. Teal'c lives on in subtle ways.
You know aside from the menacing pose and lighting what makes young Kratos intimidating is the way they convey his seething rage through his eyes.
It's the fact that they glow more. They look reptilian like imo
A god of war, a god of pain. What a dialogue.
And ultimately a God of Hope in the end.
A god of hope
What a fitting ending. Well deserved solace for a tormented soul. Every, single, moment of this reboot has been an absolute masterpiece.
Wow. It looks like younger Kratos is much more patient than I've ever seen him. Someone came in, monologuing, and he just sat there.
Older Kratos is swole asf young Kratos was shredded
From Dorian Yates to Hafthor Bjornson
@@wasabi5338Nah he just became a lesser version of himself cause the devs cut his balls off
Same character model and structure, people are making stuff up
@@newhybrid101 No it isn't
@@newhybrid101only difference is his face was deaged in the new model
4:19 feels like a response to anyone who said he wasn’t a deep character in the Greek games
6:18 Mimir genuinely looks so happy when he heard kratos say that
This is everyone growing up with the God Of War series. A speech with one’s self
3:04 Young Kratos is so terrifying that with a simple gesture even Kratos himself closes his mouth for a second
Kratos is too damn powerful in the past and in future he get nerfed
Stopped him right in the middle of his sentence
@@mariacrislynvillanueva1981 future kratos is stronger than past kratos, as stated by Cory.
@@mariacrislynvillanueva1981 u do realize future kratos would easily fuck up his younger self lmao
@@mariacrislynvillanueva1981i thought so to but older Kratos learned to wield his own power got more battle exp and strategic young Kratos was just wild and reckless
This is such a beautiful and amazing scene. Is something so poetic but yet so outspoken about the scene. This is truly amazing and the writing is superb. This scene really brought his character full circle.
3:05
young kratos over there like "swing... i wish you would"
He was gonna ready for fight
"When all else is lost" gave me chills remembering the line from gow3
I absolutely love how they depicted young Kratos here, how he just sat there and looked at himself in the future, he wasn't a very talkative person and they got that perfectly here
I love how his theme plays in the background but in a really calm and hope inducing way.
Bruh young kratos just moving his arm down sent me chills lmao
Ngl I thought shit was bout to get real 😂😂😂
I thought he was just some kind of projection at first so I didn't expect him to start moving lol. Young Kratos is terrifying, full of pure malice and rage. You can see it on his face.
Genuinely one of the most beautiful cutscenes I have seen in ANY game, period.
Honestly felt like we were going to fight young Kratos but either way, I’ve had one hell of a time with this DLC. Santa Monica Studios must be protected at all costs 🙏🏽
I can't be the only one getting goosebumps from this music, too, right? It helps this scene so much with emotion!
Absolutely. It just beautifully accompanies the imagery but the Choir in the background every-time I listen still just goosebumps
5:03 hits so hard man. The slow descent as the weight leaves his shoulders. He may never be redeemed but he gave himself like what he gave the rest of us ..
H O P E🔥❤️
A huge respect for the guys who wrote this dialogue and gave the voice 🫡🔥...