It is very easy to quickly swap from overhand by lifting the spear into an underhand throwing stance from below. Roll the hand around the shaft during the upward and backward momentum of the transition. Pointing the spear tip downward can help.
Exactly the tossing issue is why I asked my cousin to give me color guard tips (she carried and twirled the flag in the school marching band) and now I can change grips without letting it go (or at least without it having to leave my hand, or within an inch of it) I also just like to roll my umbrella around in my hand when I don't have it open. It's fun.
Wonder if soldiers used a mix of overhand and underhand grips among them. Like if your comrade is going overhand getting the opponent to block high, you can come in low with an underhand grip.
It is also portrayed in pretty much all cultures, from reliefs, paintings to even photos of the 1800s, all hold it over hand predominantly. The oldest I have found is in Assyrian reliefs, it is very prominent in depictions of spearmen and cavalry. The Sumerians might have also used, it's almost certain, but seem to have favoured sarissa like phalanx formations
You've convinced me. Not that I had thought a lot about the topic as I don't have anywhere to practice with a spear where I currently live. But simple & natural ways of moving & transitioning usually work; I see no reason why this wouldn't have been done.
One method I use when just playing around with sticks, the largest now-a-days would be spare broom-handles, is moving it around my index finger. Basically from the "regular" grip put your index pinger above your thumb and hold the shaft that way then shift the rest of the hand, if this makes any sense but is the best I can do. Anyway nice to see new videos from you and best of luck to you.
I think they just asked the enemy to hold their shield while they switched grip on the spear. It's amazing what people will agree to if you just ask nicely! 😉
After watching you I have a few thoughts. One is that I agree, the spike on the back of the spear was exactly for this! Not just balance but switching hands, sticking into the ground for a solid base against cavalry, charges or just storing in a spear stack at camp. Second, I feel like switching your grip at all may actually be a negative in the over hand attack position. I feel like keeping the same grip overhand gives you more downward angle to actually get behind a shield while not poking anyone behind you plus you can instantly go from high to low attacks, no switching needed. Obviously you have a little less control until you work on your strength and muscle memory in that position but I can see it being very fast and also less fatiguing for the shoulder.
Good way to switch grip, I think in close formations like a phalanx the prevalent way the front ranks fought was overhead so your dory won't hinder men behind you.
In sword fighting, we know that bucklers for ex. were used to secure the sword hand. If your raise your speer high above it be a perfect target for the enemy to go for the spear hand. Am I wrong?
I agree with this sentiment. Resting the back end of the spear on the elbow makes total sense. I also believe the reverse grip was used sparingly. No evidence, just because it's a limited it how useful it can be. Stabbing down hard or throwing is about it. It's hard to parry using that grip.
Why the spin though? Hold it in armpit, switch grip, resume stabbing immediately from below the shield. Which you can do with an overhand grip too. For a moment, the spear is couched. Works in formation, you cannot see it as it is behind the shield, looks like a low thrust.
I see you using middle grip... what are your thoughts on gripping closer to the end, to make better use of the full length of the spear (also avoid whacking the guys in ranks behind you)
At 3:47 you just unknowingly demonstrated to everyone that you can quite effectively stab from overhand and underhand without any need to change grip at all. And again at 4:24 and again at 4:50, quite effortlessly and without thinking about it. Any thoughts on why this is not the simplest method?
cause in these moments its just the position of thespear however the whole topic is changing grip. A diffrent grip along with diffrent positions will have diffrent results and uses. The video talks about amore smooth transition between grips and not just positions
The overhand gives significantly more power and control when coming from above, as well as the opponent now has to beware that you may throw it at any time.
Wait... there's a technique to it? I've always done it automatically. The way I do it is I change grip in the up or down motion, continually resting my thumb on the spear. To me this comes automatically. The spear to shield resting I find more difficult.
How accurate was the sword fight in the movie Troy when Achilles fought Hector? Also if you could do when Aragorn and Gimli when briefly shown would fight at the Battle of Helms Deep in The Two Towers at the front of the gate how realistic it would be. When they took turns fighting/ circling around to fight that would be cool. Thank you Snap Jelly for your excellent content!
Couldn't they still knock the spear during the transition? It is tougher to see though. That way looks better if you were switching in a battle formation as well. I wonder if tossing it runs a bigger risk of the guy next to you bumping into it
Well that's not how I do it. Tossing the spear isn't something I'm particularly comfortable with, though the lighter the spear, I assume the more convenient to do. But why even bother, when you can transition quite easily and intuitively without releasing anything? It doesn't require any of these bizarre gymnastics, like resting it on the shield or tossing things in the air. ruclips.net/video/VqfKbQ-q8xY/видео.html
Do you really need to change grip at all? You can get your spear above your shield while it is in underarm grip. You actuall y did it in that video. 3:45 you stab above shield, your grip is underarm. 3:534:264:525:05 Unless you are going to throw your spear, there is no reason to change to owerarm grip
In some of the timestamps you linked the spear isn't always above the shield but just to the right of it, so in a tight formation there might not be space for such a grip. It's only above (on top of) the shield at 5:05 and you can see his elbow is already quite bent, restricting his mobility. Also, it's difficult to thrust _downwards over the shield_ using an underarm grip, just as it's difficult to thrust _upwards under the shield_ using the overarm grip. They rarely fought on even ground, so the enemy could be higher or lower than them, so they might want to swap grips for better reach. It would also be useful to change grip because you can, for flexibility, perhaps to change position to avoid cramp or give certain muscles a rest.
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It is very easy to quickly swap from overhand by lifting the spear into an underhand throwing stance from below. Roll the hand around the shaft during the upward and backward momentum of the transition. Pointing the spear tip downward can help.
Exactly the tossing issue is why I asked my cousin to give me color guard tips (she carried and twirled the flag in the school marching band) and now I can change grips without letting it go (or at least without it having to leave my hand, or within an inch of it)
I also just like to roll my umbrella around in my hand when I don't have it open. It's fun.
Wonder if soldiers used a mix of overhand and underhand grips among them. Like if your comrade is going overhand getting the opponent to block high, you can come in low with an underhand grip.
In practice the overhand grip is the far superior application in massed formation against a similar massed enemy.
It is also portrayed in pretty much all cultures, from reliefs, paintings to even photos of the 1800s, all hold it over hand predominantly.
The oldest I have found is in Assyrian reliefs, it is very prominent in depictions of spearmen and cavalry.
The Sumerians might have also used, it's almost certain, but seem to have favoured sarissa like phalanx formations
You've convinced me. Not that I had thought a lot about the topic as I don't have anywhere to practice with a spear where I currently live. But simple & natural ways of moving & transitioning usually work; I see no reason why this wouldn't have been done.
One method I use when just playing around with sticks, the largest now-a-days would be spare broom-handles, is moving it around my index finger. Basically from the "regular" grip put your index pinger above your thumb and hold the shaft that way then shift the rest of the hand, if this makes any sense but is the best I can do.
Anyway nice to see new videos from you and best of luck to you.
I was thinking about that too. What are the odds of the opponent hitting the spear and breaking your index finger?
@@bishopjackfrost pretty much the same as they already are, then again I only play around when I am really bored and have some excess energy.
Some interesting points, I like the mention of switching grips in formation by using the floor or your foot. Sounds logical.
I think they just asked the enemy to hold their shield while they switched grip on the spear. It's amazing what people will agree to if you just ask nicely! 😉
After watching you I have a few thoughts. One is that I agree, the spike on the back of the spear was exactly for this! Not just balance but switching hands, sticking into the ground for a solid base against cavalry, charges or just storing in a spear stack at camp. Second, I feel like switching your grip at all may actually be a negative in the over hand attack position. I feel like keeping the same grip overhand gives you more downward angle to actually get behind a shield while not poking anyone behind you plus you can instantly go from high to low attacks, no switching needed. Obviously you have a little less control until you work on your strength and muscle memory in that position but I can see it being very fast and also less fatiguing for the shoulder.
Good way to switch grip, I think in close formations like a phalanx the prevalent way the front ranks fought was overhead so your dory won't hinder men behind you.
In sword fighting, we know that bucklers for ex. were used to secure the sword hand. If your raise your speer high above it be a perfect target for the enemy to go for the spear hand. Am I wrong?
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I agree with this sentiment. Resting the back end of the spear on the elbow makes total sense. I also believe the reverse grip was used sparingly. No evidence, just because it's a limited it how useful it can be. Stabbing down hard or throwing is about it. It's hard to parry using that grip.
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Don’t knock the Under-the-shield attacks. One clean shot to the Achilles’ tendon renders them pretty much immobile.
Why the spin though? Hold it in armpit, switch grip, resume stabbing immediately from below the shield. Which you can do with an overhand grip too. For a moment, the spear is couched. Works in formation, you cannot see it as it is behind the shield, looks like a low thrust.
I see you using middle grip... what are your thoughts on gripping closer to the end, to make better use of the full length of the spear (also avoid whacking the guys in ranks behind you)
You lose pretty much all control of the spear that way
Great video. One can tell you speak from a practical perspective. Very good. 👍🙏👍
At 3:47 you just unknowingly demonstrated to everyone that you can quite effectively stab from overhand and underhand without any need to change grip at all.
And again at 4:24 and again at 4:50, quite effortlessly and without thinking about it. Any thoughts on why this is not the simplest method?
cause in these moments its just the position of thespear however the whole topic is changing grip. A diffrent grip along with diffrent positions will have diffrent results and uses. The video talks about amore smooth transition between grips and not just positions
The overhand gives significantly more power and control when coming from above, as well as the opponent now has to beware that you may throw it at any time.
Wait... there's a technique to it? I've always done it automatically.
The way I do it is I change grip in the up or down motion, continually resting my thumb on the spear. To me this comes automatically. The spear to shield resting I find more difficult.
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How accurate was the sword fight in the movie Troy when Achilles fought Hector? Also if you could do when Aragorn and Gimli when briefly shown would fight at the Battle of Helms Deep in The Two Towers at the front of the gate how realistic it would be. When they took turns fighting/ circling around to fight that would be cool. Thank you Snap Jelly for your excellent content!
Couldn't they still knock the spear during the transition? It is tougher to see though. That way looks better if you were switching in a battle formation as well. I wonder if tossing it runs a bigger risk of the guy next to you bumping into it
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I feel like I'm watching Zeus or any other Greek God teaching me how to switch grips.
DanVaska you mean Jesus
@@hoop6988 nah. Jesus wasn’t a Greek god.
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There is Another Method For Grip Change to Keep the Spear Betwen Triger Finger and Midle Finger And Turn the rest of Your Hand
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He just sorta dropped off the face of the Earth
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There is an other way that is quicker and safer. Hard to explain, but easy to show, however it cant be used a forms of formation.
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Well that's not how I do it. Tossing the spear isn't something I'm particularly comfortable with, though the lighter the spear, I assume the more convenient to do. But why even bother, when you can transition quite easily and intuitively without releasing anything? It doesn't require any of these bizarre gymnastics, like resting it on the shield or tossing things in the air.
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Both ways still look awkward and pretty obvious to the enemy that you're switching grips and being vulnerable.
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Nice responce
Do you really need to change grip at all? You can get your spear above your shield while it is in underarm grip. You actuall y did it in that video. 3:45 you stab above shield, your grip is underarm. 3:53 4:26 4:52 5:05 Unless you are going to throw your spear, there is no reason to change to owerarm grip
In some of the timestamps you linked the spear isn't always above the shield but just to the right of it, so in a tight formation there might not be space for such a grip. It's only above (on top of) the shield at 5:05 and you can see his elbow is already quite bent, restricting his mobility.
Also, it's difficult to thrust _downwards over the shield_ using an underarm grip, just as it's difficult to thrust _upwards under the shield_ using the overarm grip. They rarely fought on even ground, so the enemy could be higher or lower than them, so they might want to swap grips for better reach.
It would also be useful to change grip because you can, for flexibility, perhaps to change position to avoid cramp or give certain muscles a rest.
Overarm from above the shield is faster and stronger. Underarm is quite awkward in that position.
Hey, dude! Could you get a review at the fighting scenes from Netflix film's The King?
haven't watched it yet but i'm sure ill get around to it sooner or later ^^
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Sorry, SanpJelly, is your video of you watching sword accidents still on youtube ?
that video got deleted by youtube, not sure why but probably because there's some blood in it
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Come back
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Good video
Uhh, interesting comments! Nice video.
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i switch grips by rolling my hand.
Ahh SnapJelly..
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what?
If you know how to fight with a spear and shield then switching grips is not needed.
Safest way to change grips is calling a "n'est pas du jeu".
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