Can it Compete with the Ionosphere? - Snugpak Ionosphere VS Winterial Bivy Tent
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Since Snugpak raised the price of the Ionosphere I've been looking for an alternative that I could recommend to my viewers....
This is the Winterial Bivy tent and today we are comparing it directly to the Ionosphere.
How are they similar and how are they different?
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Obtained one Winterial in orange. Being 6’4”, I just barely fit laying on my back, but I’m a side sleeper so feel very comfortable in it. Easy access, easy getting out. Easy set-up. I recommend it.
Too short for me. It's the same length as the $25 kid tents on Amazon with the end opening. I picked up two of those in silver $5 from a hardware store clearance...as a cold weather windbreaker for motocamping. 2lbs3oz. Works for that and to keep my sleep and cook gear zipped up at camp while riding.
If I curl up I can fit inside, but I don't sleep that way for long, so I just unzip the bottom and stick my legs out. I never use those tents in the rain, but they do fold away very small.
Guess if I added a poncho fly to the front...it could handle a light rain. A truly stupid looking tent I was hoping to replace with this.
Yeah I’m also 6’4” and that’s a concern for me, I tend to toss and turn in my sleep so I’d be worried about running into the mesh constantly.
@@STho205sounds like you got a different tent since these o Lu come in green and orange. Or are you talking about the Snugpak?
@@JasonWicklund no. It is a completely different bivy tent. I was considering this one, thus I watched his review. It is way too short and since the door is on the side...it can't work for a full sized man. Fine for average to smaller...likely scaled for Asian men.
And no to Snugpak, a $300 bivvy is WAY WAY overpriced for a sleeping bag cover.
that is nice to know considering i am 6'3 myself. who sleeps on there backs anyway? psychopaths?
I agree about the color of the Winterial. HOLY COW I was writing a comment "Have you ever dyed a rainfly? Have you ever thought of doing a one off video of customizing a rainfly?" and you then said "Could i dye this rainfly?" That blew my mind for a second. lol I would LOVE a rainfly dying tutorial since most tents i find are bright colors. I'll never customize a rainfly by just winging it because I'm inexperienced with customization but I've trusted your opinion in previous videos. So if you could please make a rainfly dying video, I might feel more confident about customization! I know i'm not the only one who'd appreciate it.
Rustolium, krylom or and metal spray paint will work in very light coats. Your rainfly will be totally waterproof and won't allow ventilation, but yea just metal spray paint.
I hope you know how important your reviews are to the outdoor community. Especially to new campers I've been doing bushcraft survival for years and know my gear but I find myself always checking your channel your awesome my man keep up the good work 🌲🏕🔥
An easy way to dye the fly of the tent is make a strong pot of coffee and soak it in it. The longer it soaks the darker the color.
Works until a coffee drinking bear comes along and finds coffee you can eat
I just love the honesty and how this channel seeks to help us as consumers with quality and affordable products.
The opinion of your average nobody, I have had the ionoshpere since 2017/2018 (can't remember which). I believe I was lucky enough to get the tent before sungpaks quality cratered. I mostly kayak camp so I have the ability to take a hammock and the ionosphere as a back up. I have ridden out countless storms in the ionosphere with absolutely no issues. Sungpak side stepping quality is giving other producers a great opportunity to "do it better" which I would say winterail is on their way to doing. If the color of the winterail was the same as the snugpak I would buy it in a heart beat. That side entry door alone is a step above and beyond the snugpak. Since I am usually on a sandy beach, getting in the ionosphere from the front usually ends with me getting sand everywhere.
When I kayaked the Mississippi River I had snugpaks jungle hammock. The quality was... ok... It ended up tearing on me about half way down the river. I ordered a replacement and shipped it to myself to finish the trip. After the trip I reached out to snugpak about the failure and never received a reply. Since, the 2nd hammock had failed and again I reached out and never received a reply. I made a video of the failures of the hammocks to warn others of their quality issues. I have gone from a snugpak supporter and recommender to a "never buyer". I can no longer recommend their products, their prices are absolutely insulting based on their quality. 2 tents, 2 hammocks, countless dry bags and several jungle blankets and jungle bag I was a loyal customer. Not any more and that is a self inflicted wound. They let me down when I needed them most and the worst of it, they didnt care to respond to my emails.
O well, bring on better products and companies. Thanks for doing the comparison
I'm 6ft2 and 18stone. Myself and my 8-year-old had spent a night in ionosphere. It didn't rain, it wasn't spacious, but surpisingly we had a good nights sleep.
I did purchas the tent before the pandemic though, when it was going for around 80 Eur.
There's no way in hell I'd pay $300 for that. They've lost their minds.
Just an FYI, it's "For all INTENTS and purposes". I used to say it the same way until i was corrcted by the wife.
Keep up the good work, Luke. Love the videos. The new channel kicks a**.
Hurry up rain! Luke needs you for testing!
Right ?!? Lol !!
Yea I agree, give some sweeter colors for the winterial and I'd buy one right now
I have used Rit Dye 155854 Synthetic on nylon tent fabric before, with good results, not tried it with Poly although it should be suitable. You need to dye at a high temp(cooler temps I found dont work very well) , so be careful with any shrinkage + you will probably need to reseal any taped seems and waterproof the fabric afterwards. If you are not using the tent for anything special its a fun experiment. On my experiment I went from Tango Orange to Brown.
The fly on the cheaper tent looks like it fits way better. You are right I dont like the color of it, but besides the color, I like how that tent looks much more and the door opening like you said.
If I wanted a tent of that configuration with a great green colour, I'd buy the Jack Wolfskin Gossamer 2 for 150 quid and be really happy with my purchase.
I've been in a pretty decent rain storm with the Winterial Bivy. The storm flap did it's job keeping the water away from the zipper but, I'm worried that if you don't set it up properly, rain will be able to get under the zipper flap. I also hate the color and use a camo netting to cover it when stealth camping.
I bought the Winterial tent in 2016...It's been on 3 sections of the AT and a handful of wilderness excursions...It's a fantastic value and holds up extremlely well!
My one experience with snugpak was a bag...That broke as soon as I reached the top of a mountain...
Useful video. I'm looking for a bikepacking tent and the Snugpak is well liked over here in the UK, but then again, it's priced at around 160GBP, so it's crazy that it's been hiked to $300 State side.
Terra Nova’s Laser Compact AS tent became the one I wanted. Although it doesn’t fit in your category of a bivy tent like yours but from its footprint and ability to stealth camp in it in all 4 seasons, the ability to withstand heavy winds and tiny pack size, this is the one I want to go for when I camp high up in the mountains. Pricy af but you only live once
+1 on Terra Nova tents. They are generally very good. Love the waterproof ratings on them.
Ty for the compare and contrast on these two tents Luke. I have to admit that I too dislike the mint green on the Winterial tent, especially considering who these tents were designed for initially, which was for military/law enforcement. Bivi tents were designed to be a low profile alternative to a traditional bivi and tarp set up that the military uses for their field shelter system. Therefore to have a color that sticks out like a sore thumb in the wilderness negates the ability to stealth camp, even if the profile is low. And as for civilian camp use, the color is fine (If you like it). But the tents themselves lack a key ability for civilian and even military tents that are not in a front line area, which is the ability to sit up in the tent to read, change clothes, etc. If you buy either of these tents, (switching from a more traditional tent), I would think many would miss the ability to do this. Add to the fact that the vestibule space is also very limited on both tents, poor quality on the Snugpack and that the Winterial tent is a good deal shorter + an awful color scheme, these end up being a no go for me. I get the concept for military/law enforcement. But even then these tents would not make the cut for low quality/stealth camp color fails, not to mention cost.
Great Job. Answered many important questions, including the actual dimensions
Many thanks.
Heroic like virtue...strength and honor
Oh snap!! Finally a review he didn’t unnecessarily add “…and so on and so forth”
Keep up the good work!
I feel like the AquaQuest hideaway bivy tent is the best option on the market right now.
I bought the Winterial and placed a $20 camo netting over it and at that point a $110 tent / camo netting combo beats the Snugpak by a longshot. Next I'm buying a tent cot to see what it's like with a short cot under it and if it's still feasible for stealth camping.
Lone Wolf Mountain rocks!
Head to head videos would be a good idea for similar products such as this one. "3 Tarps in a Rainstorm, Which One Did Best?" type of format would certainly be of interest to me.
Picked up the orange one, for the AT thus year. Just set it up and did a Extra coat of water proofing and seam seal as well just for shirts and giggles. Nice and light. I also pick me up a winter tent the onetigris stella love it. Thanks for your review and helping find a good reliable 4th season at a price I could actually own one. And this one as well which will probably see more use as a summer tent. YOUR AWESOME MAN. THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO FOR US. GOD BLESS 🙌
Praying for rain! I've eyed the Snugpak for awhile now but this Winteria is very interesting. Hoping it passes the test.
"Telly - Tubby green" haha, that's great... I was thinking snot green, but your version wins!
In england we also have the oex phoxx from go outdoors usually find it for around £100 or less
SUGGESTION: Good afternoon. I love your videos! they have become one of my "go to" sources on gear. I have a suggestion/request: would you mind using a couple inch pad when showing the tents? One thing that has been bothering me on reviews is presenter lays on the bare floor and says "im sure with a X" pad I'll have a couple of inches left". The visual of that would be fantastic and really show that statement. Maybe a 20 and a 25"wide (2 most common sizes) also on certain tents. Thank you and keep these videos going.
Very good point. Especially w/how low a ceiling these tents have. And what about a winter pad like a Sea to Summit Ether light XT Extreme!! That pad is about 4” thick!!
I think the color is fine for where I live (Arizona). This color is fine for any place that has a lot of Sage brush.. Probably not all that great of the eastern forests though.
I ordered the Winterial in Orange from Ebay for $90 w/ free shipping. Based upon this, and your most recent rain test. At 5'9" I'm expecting it to be roomy enough for overnighters. I'll still bring the Aquaquest 10'x10'. Looks like my old North Face will be getting gifted to one of my Boys.
Great review! Strength and Honor
Walmart sells a dye for polyester that I have used to dyd military pouches. It works well, I use white vinegar to help.
$300 Vs $90 No contest... Great information great review. Looking forward to the rain test.
Me and two friends all had snugpak ionospheres but after years of use they needed replaced. we kept hearing about the drop in quality and insane price increase. We ran into two others with brand new tents they just open for the first time that day and our hearts sank the quality was abysmal. One of the tents had to be resoed about 2 foot where there was no stitching at all. After a lot of searching my two friends bought the winterial and I got a grate deal, 60 bucks for a TUCKER tent, same tent just a darker color. Winteral and others, is everything snugpak used to be. In a year and a half no leak problems as of yet. But I still worry about the flap over the zipper. In a hot climate these tents/bug net cannot be beat. If no rain I keep the rain fly off if many rain or dew I keep the rain fly unzipped and tied back. Hint: if not under a tarp when raining unzip the mesh and tap on the outside fly to remove water before opening. Your dry sleeping bag well thank you:) most times I use a tarp over it to stay dry getting in and out.
Mountain warehouse makes a nice tent like these . I rain tested in down pours and stayed dry.
I did buy the ALPS Mountaineering Lynx 1 tent on your recommendation. All though I haven’t camped in the rain with it, I find it to be Very good tent. Strength and Honor ✌️🇺🇸
This was a great write up and very responsive to your viewers. I like the ionisphere but I bought it years ago when it was a better quality and a cheaper price I paid around 160 for it. It has functioned flawlessly for me in rain and even some snow but sounds Like it is no longer the same tent.
FWIW, I bought an Ionosphere back when they were under $150 and I have spent a lot of nights in it now. Good: It handles storms more like a 4 season tent because it is so well staked out and presents so little surface area to the wind. I've been in some absolutely crazy weather in it and it barely moves, assuming you can get the stakes in the ground securely. It is so long that I am 6'4" and can fit in it with my pack comfortably. Bad: It isn't as light as you wish it was given how small it is, and it is not freestanding so you have to find ground that will take the dozen stakes it needs. It isn't a fly first setup so setting it up in the rain is a bit of a hassle. Like all these bivy-style tents it doesn't breathe as well as a larger tent, so it can get hot if you need to totally button it up all night. Overall: I would be shocked if the storm performance of that cheaper tent comes anywhere close to the Ionosphere. Storm performance isn't just about keeping you dry but also about not flapping and bucking all night in strong winds. But the price of the Ionosphere now is absolutely nuts. It is a great $150 tent, but at $300 you are now competing against ultralight and really premium tents with the best quality materials.
I certainly wouldn't spend $300 (UK £240) on the Snugpak, it's a nice stealthy tent but too overpriced now, in my opinion you're paying for the name only.
The Winterial makes much more sense price wise, can't beat $90 (UK £72), very affordable indeed. I am not keen on the minty green colour, prefer it be in something like woodland green camo, moss green or juniper green.
The Winterial tent is not as stealthy looking as the Snugpak but I prefer it's extra width top (3") and bottom (2") at the cost of some length (10"), height top (6") and bottom (2").
I like the practicality of the Winterial over the Snugpak too, being able to get in and out the tent easier is way more convenient and appealing.
Let's all wish for a good and heavy downpour of rain, I can tell Luke is itching to test the Winterial tent for waterproofness, and I'm sure there are many people including myself who are looking forward to it.
I'm gonna stick my head out right now and say that the Winterial tent won't leak, that's my hope anyway...let the rain test begin soon. 😃
Snugpak is not expensive here in the u.k.. Half the price. It's a great tent.....
I bought my Ionosphere when it was $90. I enjoy it, but WOULD NOT pay $300. Great video, Luke.
Couldn't help thinking of Dr. Suess, when you talked about the winterial green. Lol
Enjoy watching the video..👈👍👍
Drowned that Teletubby in dye. The trick is too hold it under until the bubbles stop. 😉
Ty. Now I can’t get the image out of my head of someone Drowning a Teletubby in Dye !! Lol !!
Can't wait to see how this holds up in the stress test. I have been thinking about purchasing one for motorcycle trips and pairing it with my military sleep system. It comes with a bivy sack but I really don't like how it has an opening for bugs and sneks to just crawl in and join me.
As long as it will not out right leak through, I can easily apply seam seal and coat it with Scothgard for a few extra bucks and some elbow grease for its price.
Luke, wow! Maaaan, I’m an avid RUclips “Everything hiking junkie”. How have I missed your channel? I AM loyal but your channel is a next lvl. So I feel no guilt! YOU OTHER GUYS, KEEP UP! Love the channel, you’re talking about all things that Don likes. Especially this review. This is wear I found you. In between the thru-hikers and Survivalist. Lol.
I’m an avid hiker, mostly sections and then town fun. Sometimes…. I gotta do a ditch camp or “improvised” pull off. I feet much safer in the woods. I’m looking for the stealthy 1p on the market. I prefer camo but can do browns. Don’t care about the cost. Staying dry is key, space is not. My first question, why is there not a cuban fiber 1p tent? Any suggestions? I love your channel. I’m subscribed. I’m actually like a fan boy. Lol. I’m binging your channel right now.
I love watching on your tent reviews I've been working on my gear list for about a year now God I'd do anything for a new tent😮
I love the color of the Winterial, and dislike the color of the Snugpak. I find the green of the Winterial to be very pleasing and unobtrusive. The length difference bothers me a little, but since I’m only 5 foot six, I don’t think it really matters that much, whereas the increased width of the Winterial would be much appreciated. As long as it doesn’t leak, I think $99 is an excellent price for it. I remember when the snug pack cost around $125. I used to contemplate buying it then, but for me, it’s probably a little too small and I would feel claustrophobic. I’m interested to find out more about the Winterial and whether it has a vestibule, etc.
I like both colours. Maybe its just my screen, but the green reminds me of eucalyptus leaves. Weight is good for both. Length not so much of an issue for me, so price, ease of access and height are my deciding factors. I wish it was a bit taller, but think I could live with the Winterial.
I like the winterial tent and price. I cold remove cover and sleep under tarp if needed or wanted.
Ionosphere. $300. Never would purchase it.
I would purchase one of those Kevlar tents or make my own tent.
Thank you much!!
74" is a bit of a nonstarter. Both will get wet if you enter or exit when it's raining. A tarp and a bivy combined weight about the same as either, and the tarp/bivy combo has a lot more pitching options.
Hope the Winterial is waterproof! Looks good! The color, though is kind of weird!! Definitely more affordable than the Snugpak!!!
Us NC boys and our “for all intensive purposes” lol. I was 25 years old before my dad heard me say it and called me out on it.
I definitely wish that I had bought the Snugpack Ionosphere a few years back. Their gear, before the offshoring to China, was outstanding, 🤙
Luke measured the length of the Winterial as 74”, while the Amazon listing is stating 90” length. Of course, I would trust Luke’s measurements even over the manufacturer. It’s just odd there is such a massive 16” (40.6 cm) discrepancy in measurements.
Snugpak is out of their mind for that pricing. I agree 100% on that hideous green. Blaze Orange would be better. You can always pitch a camo tarp. I'd like to see the results of dying it.
300$! Luke..I will watch your reviews and pic up a coyote brown or O.D.Green 2 person. 3 +season tent for My adventures...I do have a couple of good tents from a time back and will water proof seal them with a Camping water repellent untill I order a new One Tigeris Stella or Cosmos 2.0..i dig the shape..From your reviews ❤😅😊
I like the winterial tents entrance better
$300 for a no-stretch nylon in medium to dark brown or green with Quality mesh, YKK zippers, and Quality stakes sounds good. For what you get I wouldn't pay even $75.
Yes please, see if the color can be darkened even if it must be Scotch-Guarded or waterproofed some other way afterwards.
greetings from germany. the ionosphere is only 150 € here. it is also available in camo pattern. cant say anything about quality thou
I ordered the winterial after your other video, it looks good but I haven't used it yet. Thanks sir.
Most of the dye companies (RIT, etc.) say while it is possible to dye polyester, they do NOT suggest dying any polyester that has been treated to make it waterproof.
That was what I was thinking, Especially if you have to mix the dye w/warm/hot water. No telling what will happen to the PU coating !!
Check out the Magellan Kings peak 2 person back packing tent. Seems to good to be true.
Hey Luke, greetings from México. I have to say that I like snugpak products, I have some of them and I really wanted to buy that ionosphere tent...but...really, no matter what, I will never pay 300 dlls. I really want to know about your winterial rain test. I have high spectations abou it. There are a lot bad comments about winterial tent. Let's see.
I'm not fussed about the color if I use the winterial it would be for stealth camping in which I would use a camo net aswell or for lighterweight backpacking.
I agree about using camo netting when conditions are Nice. But what about strong wind, rain, etc? If the netting rips/blows away then your left with having to repair it (unless beyond repair), use a tarp to cover it, ( IF you brought one), or use natural vegetation, all of which have + -. Not to mention that if the netting is beyond repair you are carrying an extra weight item that is near useless.
I have seven items left to complete my gear list and first step is a brand new tent I am so exhausted working towards this list God my knees are really starting to hurt 😣
The title sounds like the hawkers in Thailand 'same same but different' 😂
@1:29 "intensive purposes" 🤣
Also at 06:33 😄
I wouldn't pay $300 for a 6 person cabin tent outrageous
Ionosphere Busted. way to go
Jack Wolfskin Gossamer 11 all the way for me.
If the fly could take dye, it isn't waterproof or water resistant.
You could camo spray paint it.
My Snugpak is a few years old and going strong. I would’ve never bought my Snugpak for $300 😆. I do have a video of my Snugpak in a 70mph dust storm.
Yes
The snugpak Ionosphere also comes in the colour camo , Terrain pattern
If Snugpack gets anything right here it is most definitely the fly. Thicker 210T polyester in 3 earth tone/camo colors are the way to go!!
I will be interested in the results of your storm testing. Would you compare both of these tents during that test? I am not a fan of bivvy tents...but some shelter is better than no shelter, as I have found in using this style on a few stormy overnights. Rigidity is a big deal for me: there has to be a reliable and functional way to keep the fly off the sides of the tent. More stake-out points are worth paying for.
You're not wrong, but they're not worth paying $300 for. You can always buy a pack of tarp clips and back them up with little pieces of something like Tyvek so they don't damage your fly and put additional guy outs anywhere you want them.
Not sure what’s so bad about the pastel/mint green color? Coyote brown would be my preferred also but that green is okay too, unless it looks different in person…
I like the color of the Winterial, but only as a tshirt. Not as a tent. (and I'm pretty girly too, but there are limits.)
Thanks so much! winterial it is. no one person tent is worth $300.
Hilleberg soulo is
Is The Jack Wolfskin gossgamer 2 no longer recommendable?
Quick, get the seamseal tape, and silicone sealant!
have you checked out the GEERTOP Ultralight Bivy Tent , Luke , comes in camo , or green
At the moment cost the Snukpak Ionos. 169,95€ in EU i think cost 182,51$ in the us maybe
As always, thank you❤
Make a video testing the Dragoon Unlimited Ridgeback One Person Tent bivy in the rain. I'm seriously considering buying this bivy at the moment, it's heavy but big and seems to have better quality control than its competitors, after all it's made in the USA. It's not mass-produced like many products made in China.
The Ridgeback is 100% Chinese mass production. Dragoon just likes to market themselves as a USA/Veteran owned company and wave the American flag around. It's basically just a sized up and rebranded Geertop bivy tent for an extra $30, and Geertop is on the low end of Chinese tent quality. It might be an okay tent, but the lighter, smaller Geertop is like $30 less.
The Mountainsmith Lichen Peak is a really good bivy style tent for $90 (Amazon) from a reputable budget brand. You might even find it cheaper somewhere like Campsaver. Unless you just have to have big and camo or something natural, the Alps Mystique 1.5, which is 8' long, is a great tent and costs less than the Ridgeback. I own and recommend both of these.
If you've got an extra $45 over the Ridgeback to spend, there's ONE 2022 model year Sierra Designs High Side 1 left on Amazon for $170. That's a $300 tent, nylon, very good quality, very light and has a lifetime warranty. That tent is going to disappear at any moment, though. You can count on it because $170 is a stellar deal for that tent. I own this tent as well. In fact, it's pitched up in my backyard right now. I've not had a chance to use it yet, but it's a very well reviewed tent and I really like the design. Plenty roomy, too.
@@Im_With_Stupid Thank you very much for the advice, I was really determined to buy the Dragoons Unlimited, but after learning that it is the same as the GeerTop I gave up on the purchase, the reviews I have seen about the GeerTop show that it is not really waterproof, but only water resistant.
I don’t like bivy style tents anyway as I am slightly claustrophobic. Although I like the height of the snugpak one and the price of the Winterial one.
I sold my Ionosphere as it was too difficult to get in and out of (I am on the large side) gracefully. The bug mesh was good though - do you think the Winterial bug mesh is as fine for the smaller bugs such as midges/no-seeums etc?
I've been looking for a low profile BIVY tent for motorcycle camping.. to replace my "2 person" kelty- The kelty is still fine I can use it. ITS TOO BIG tho. and I need a lower profile + something free standing for sleeping in the occasional parking lot. [it happens while traveling by motorcycle, sometimes you cannot put on as many miles some days to get to the next camping site.]
Way to small for me so I really don't care one way or the other. Don't care for the Winterial color either, just dye and be done with it. What? $300....Really? No way. Keep on reviewing Luke, you'll eventually find something worthy...👍👍
Have you ever considered a portable water tank and agg spray rig for rain test on the mountain , when you aren’t feeling normal and rain doesn’t come to you
I bought the winterial and immediately hated the color, but fell in love with the size and set-up. Unfortunately the tent leaked, so I tried another. 2nd one did not. I ended up sewing on a pullout on the bottom of the fly at the head end for some separation and airflow. Unfortunately the tent leaked on its second outting. Could not pin down from where, but it was somewherealong the top. Definitely not the new pullout as it is on the bottom edge. Since it was not going back at this point, I gave it a horrible camo paint job with some upholstery paint and hit it with some sealant. Will have to get it back out in the rain to see how it fares. Great but ugly tent, if only it was waterproof.
In the uk the snugpak is roughly 186 dollars {150 pounds} while winterial is 124 dollars {100 pounds}, the price increase for the snugpak is ridiculous!!
i think some companies are using the rise in prices to justify an even further increase in prices. the fact that there's this much of a price difference is pretty clear cut evidence that a certain brand is trying to take advantage of this situation. i'm very likely going to stay away from snugpak now...... what a shame, i just got into rucking and outdoor living. oh well.
Although I would agree their tents are now of poorer quality I don’t think it holds true for all of their products. I have their poncho and a fleece liner of theirs that is very good. It is just getting to be hit or miss these days for certain companies.
VERY surprised the Winterial weighs more than the Snupak since it's shorter....you would automatically think lighter. I wouldn't pay $300 for the Snugpak, but I WOULD pay the $90 for the Winterial even if it fails waterproofing tests. It looks like a great bug free mesh bivy tent for dry days, plus a simple tarp can solve the rain issue if need be. Luke you should dye the Winterial for fun and post the results after waterproof testing is over.....and I won't ask how you know Telitubby colors🤣
You night want to check out the Macpac Bush Cocoon Bivvy. It looks perfect for stealth camping
Looking buff Luke.
Luke I think you should dye this tent. Of course after you’re sure it’s water proof…. And then test again after dying it.
Take the 3rd option and go with erika solitaire
Love your channel! what do you think about Borah Gear cuben fiber bivy? Only 7 oz, good combo with a rain tarp