@@swingmattuk Yes, it made no sense and was completely unnecessary, utterly pointless really. Once Greer and Samaritan realized that only Finch knew the password and the Machine supposedly did not they could have just killed Finch, there was no reason for Greer to have to die here. Unless I missed something, a few bullets for Harold would have sufficed and Greer could have gone on having outwitted Finch. At the very least, if they wanted to play up the drama and not have Greer get his hands dirty by shooting someone, he could have left the room while Finch was trapped before they evacuated the air, but they didn't do that and Finch obviously escaped. I think the writers did this to show that Samaritan held no value for human life, regardless of whose life it was, they were completely irrelevant, the exclusive concern for Samaritan was doing what needed to be done for the sake of meeting whatever objective was set. Whereas Harold always placed human life above the Machine, Greer always saw Samaritan as being the superior of man worthy of making whatever decision it saw fit for mankind. It was an interesting dichotomy between Team Machine and Team Samaritan, but I still maintain that the sacrifice of Greer was entirely unnecessary.
@@mamalmi First off, I didn't care that Greer died, I did not "want him saved because he was a good character," I just thought his death was completely unnecessary. And I'm not the only one who thought this, the comment I replied to above said the same thing. That being said, I do agree with you in that Greer's death did serve a purpose, a purpose we've both pointed out, I just don't think it was handled very artistically with the greatest literary deftness, to me it felt contrived and hyperbolic, and again, it simply wasn't necessary. I don't believe Greer's death was bad thing, just that it could have been done better. Also, if Greer and Samaritan wanted to be absolutely, completely sure that Finch would die, a few bullets would have worked better, that would have been more certain than trying to suffocate him. Secondly, I don't think Finch uploaded the virus until the end of this episode, so Samaritan was not weakened. What Samaritan did not expect however was that the Machine would be able to intervene in the way it did to save Harold's life(while at the same time sacrificing Greer, and needlessly I might add, even if it belabors the point).
As many of you probably know, the actor playing Greer is John Nolan, who is show-runner Jonathan Nolan's uncle. Not sure how much Jonathan had to do to get his British uncle to take the part, but he truly made Greer the "guy you love to hate".
Interesting because John Nolan was also in his nephew's films Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises as one of the board members of Wayne Enterprises.
Yeah, but it made no sense and was completely unnecessary, utterly pointless really. Once Greer and Samaritan realized that only Finch knew the password and that the Machine supposedly did not, they could have simply killed Finch, there was simply no reason for Greer to have to die here. Unless I missed something, a few bullets for Harold would have sufficed and Greer could have gone on having outwitted Finch. I think the writers did this to show that Samaritan held no value for human life, regardless of whose life it was, they were completely irrelevant, the exclusive concern for Samaritan was doing what needed to be done for the sake of meeting whatever objective was set. Whereas Harold always placed human life above that of the Machine, Greer always saw Samaritan as being the superior of man worthy of making whatever decision it saw fit for mankind. It was an interesting dichotomy, but I still maintain that the sacrifice of Greer was entirely unnecessary.
@@mydogskips2 I don't think it was about Samaritan but about Greer, he was crazily trusting of Samaritan to the point that he wanted to die for it's sake.
@@mydogskips2 Samaritan already locked and began suffocating the two of them. Greer only surmised that Harold retained "control" over the execution of the ICE-9 virus, after that point. Both Greer and Finch were the ONLY ones to posed ANY potential threat to Samaritan (Greer because he retained authority & Finch because he created the Machine (and thus possesses the genius to counter Samaritan)). It shows how paranoid and ruthless Samaritan had become...all those bodies in the tunnel...brilliant doctors, engineers, programmers etc...just extinguished on the future possible potential to become a threat or pose some challenge to Samaritan's authority. Season 5 was a drip...drip...drip demonstration of Samaritan's ruthlessness.
When a new viewer watches this scene they will think Finch didn't tell the Machine the password as FInch never trusted any ASI, but later we learn that the machine already knew the password but decided to respect Finch's wishes to have the final say to whether to deploy the virus or not. I think that is the mark of a true Human-like ASI. If an ASI does something just because it has access, then it needs to be destroyed and reformed again with new values.
It's sad that this masterpiece is so underrated. I began at season 2, but i loved the 1st season, it was an interesting concept and story. However I can see why some would be turned off by season 1
Are you kidding, Season 1 was very good, nothing to be turned off about at all. It's just that it did get better, the show just kept upping the ante as time went on. But as it did so, the tone and feel of the show changed as well. A lot of people were actually turned off by Season 3, the death of Carter, and the introduction of Samaritan, it completely changed the show.
@@mydogskips2 I loved season 1, it had that ‘villian of the week’ vibe and I personally love those, then they slowly grow into a much larger story. Miss it!
PoI at times was so prescient and forward thinking that it personalized and humanized the entire dialogue about the escalation of AI and the motive of a paternalistic use for such. It presented the moral implications of doing so and presented in very tangible ways the real life perils of relying upon AI to embrace benevolence. The show did so by highlighting that "machine" logic via algorithms fails to consider the all important line of demarcation with regard to taking a human life and that the ends never truly justify the means. Moreover, as presented in the show itself, the solution to world hunger in machine logic could just as easily be to purge what algorithms determine to be excess, non-contributory populations in order to bring "demand" in line with supply. This is what made PoI exceptional television...at least in the moments that it rose to such esoteric heights.
i was told this when younger machines may advance but they will follow cold true logic or they will followed distorted logic as people design them to contain as such ether way the end result is likely bad if they advance too much down ether path without carful care taken.
Greer could have just quickly dashed out of the room right before the doors closed, since he knew Finch would have had no way of following him, especially due to his walking impediment.
no, *this was the absolute best time for him to die for both Greer and Samaritan.* he got the chance to die as a hero. the other option was was him getting old and dying slowly, no longer useful, while wasting resources (in Samaritan's view) and posing a risk to it by knowing so much about it. this was the perfect time.
Seeing how much older Greer is than Finch too, I doubt he will walk any faster than Finch despite Finch's walking impediment. Finch could even try wrestling Greer to the ground and see if he could make it to the door instead. But Greer's men might be waiting in ambush outside in case he actually tries so... yeah. Anyway, John still came around and saved him, so it's all good. Everyone in team machine all had their well deserved ending.
I loved POI, but people misunderstand, POI is seasons 1, 2 and Carter's storyline (first half of 3) and Machines and Morality begins after that. I love both shows, but they are different halves of a masterpiece. Or every like 35 episodes equals Act 1, 2 and 3.
Absolutely, I agree, the introduction of Samaritan completely changed the show. and this happened right after Carter died. I would just point out that this didn't happen until about 55 episodes in. Season 1 was 23 episodes, Season 2, 22 episodes, and Samaritan wasn't really introduced until about episode 11 of Season 3.
I strongly disagree. In order for the series to end, the Machine always needed a fitting enemy. So there was always gonna be another AI introduced. That is, unless they allowed the human revolutionary people to defeat the Machine, which I suppose would have been a better ending.
@@blanktrigger8863 yes that seems like an interesting direction. Machine was always crippled but in the end they showed it really cared while Samaritan was indifferent from the start. I gotta be honest I didn't really like how they handled Samaritan at first, from the get go they always assumed Samaritan will be the worst, which it was but I would love to see a Samaritan in the grey area
PoI was indeed two separate shows melded together. One was about moral redemption of the human individual. Reese, Finch, Fusco, Root etc., all represented various facets of people who did things (with dire consequences) in their past that they deeply regret. Some of this was by directly choosing actions, by self-interest or in service of some personal beliefs, that harmed others or by indirect, unforeseen, unanticipated consequences of their actions/choices. In the present moment, they now choose to redeem themselves by wiping their ledgers clean of all that red through "good deeds" helping those in trouble or stopping those intent on harming others. This is the presentation of human beings having a natural arc towards benevolence or at the very least, human beings feeling guilt/shame and regret about the bad outcomes of their actions. This is contrasted with the idea that an AI system could never truly be benevolent or feel regret, guilt, shame or desire for redemption. Once Samaritan arose, the narrative shifted to the debate about whether an AI system could be as morally principled as Carter or Finch and whether it could embrace a simultaneously universal and individual benevolence. More pointedly, towards the final "battle" between Finch's Machine and Samaritan, whether an AI system could be self-sacrificial in wanting to "do NO harm". The series posited an interesting theory that this question may very well turn on the moral composition of the person or persons upon which the AI systems algorithms are modeled.
@@samwellick1706 I agree with you, having Samaritan operate in the "grey area" would have been interesting, and probably more realistic as the world is "grey" and far more nuanced than a simple black and white dichotomy the show presented, but you have to realize that Samaritan was created to be a foil to "Team Machine". As Blank Trigger says above, the Machine always needed a fitting enemy, and Samaritan was it, along with Greer and Co. And to be honest, one thing this show did not do was be ambiguous, for better or for worse, the writers really spelled things out for everyone, so they made it very clear that Samaritan was the villain right from the outset, they were really simplistic about those kinds of things, and if you don't believe me, read some of the reviews on IMDB and you'll see that that's what a lot of people complained about, and I agree with them. But that's not why I watched the show, I suppose those who were fans liked the premise, but it was also about entertainment through action, drama, suspense, and over-the-top sensationalism, great theatricality. While I don't necessarily agree that Samaritan's creation was inevitable, I think the show could have gone on without Samaritan,(I mean, some people really liked the number-of-the-week format and the lighter feel the earlier seasons had and believed the introduction of Samaritan destroyed/ruined the show), but as is pointed out above, POI was really two shows merged into one, one pre-Samaritan, one post-Samaritan, and exploring the dark side and potential downfalls of an ASI was more compelling, where the writers naturally wanted to go, it just took them two and a half seasons to get there(remember, it started out with Carter chasing Reese, then with Root abducting Finch and forcing him to take her to the Machine where she could "set it free"); fortunately they had a compelling story to tell with the HR storyline which was the main throughline dominating the first two and a half seasons, and when it was over they immediately transitioned over to Samaritan.
And I have been searching forever to find a group of people with whom I can discuss POI, talk to them about the best scenes, most emotional scenes, scenes that made them love this show. Never found one. All FB groups are BOGUS.
@@shridharshanbhag3942PoI is even more relevant today then it was when it was airing. I wish more people would revisit or first time watch the show and talk about it. The AI tech community today in its hubris & race to be first is much more likely to build a Samaritan than The Machine.
Nolan family are such talented folk.Chris, Emma and Jonathan Nolan are such great story tellers then comes Nolan’s uncle John plays Richard Greer who plays a smart villain in one of the greatest tv series. Long live the Nolans.
Samaritan was actually sanctioned and commissioned by the Congress, hence that momentous episode where The Machine gave the Congressman's number. All other gov't agencies were "oblivious" since The Machine only gave IRRELEVANT numbers, meaning ordinary, run-of-the-mill non-threats to national security. The latter was also the reason why for most of the show, the team went unnoticed by the intel. agencies. Same reason why the C/I/A and N/S/A don't get involved in, say, online activities of drug cartels.
No, he talks about that he and Finch are pawns and the AI's are the black and white queens. He just says that they are worth nothing and that it is his job as a pawn to die so his queen can survive and win the game. This is deep in the way that finch did play chess with his AI and the lession was that anyone who sees life as a chess game, by giving value to humans like they are chess pieces deserves to lose, because life is life and no life is worth more than another (i guess that is objective). In the "flashbacks" videos there is also a szene where the machine does try to save Finch from a driver that fell a sleep diving his car (drunk?) and after that Finch says that the AI cant save him. Friedrich Niche said that there is no good or evil... and Finch also said that AI is born with objetives (i would say everything has an objective as seen in the Maslow pyramid) the only question is who will "win" because history has always been writen by the winners and moral (what Finch was teaching the machine) can be an obstacle to victory. And to come back to the beginning.... in history human males have always sacrificed themself for the "greater good" for example to protect their wife and kids. For some it's an honor become the "martyr" and they find inner peace by knowing that their life "made sense" and this is also the ending on John, who is happy that Finch gave him the chance to fight and in the end go down by saving humanity instead of drinking himself to death.
As this show progressed, I realized that no one could kill Greer except Greer himself (by Samaritan's orders). Also, Greer's death fits perfectly with his values. Nevertheless, considering the weight of Greer's character on the show, his death ended in vain.
I was a fan of this show from the start and wish it continued with Shaw as the new Reese. Or with the other team they met with Logan Pierce as the new Finch.
Pawns can be very powerful pieces in chess. The "Queen/Samaritan" sacrificed her pawn, where the Machine didnt. The machine's pawn survived. Put the queen in checkmate by sacrificing another piece.
I know people don't understand why Greer went out like that when he probably could have escaped, but neither he nor Samaritan wanted to take any chances. They had him, but they were also smart enough not to underestimate Harold.
I see this scene a little differently. The scene shows the major difference in Samaritan and the Machine. Greer and his men could have just shot Harold and Greer would have survived. The fact that Samaritan had his men leave shows Samaritans arrogance and the blind faith his assets that Samaritan would win. The scene is pivotal for me because Greer is in some ways Samaritans father it was through his efforts that Samaritan was born. Greer was a devoted acolite but Samaritan threw him away like he was nothing. In contrast Harold was the Machines father but Harold tried to kill her multiple times but the machine understood and forgave him again and again and against all odds tried to save Harold. Now which AI would you trust?
It's an interesting bit of symbolism - the machine sacrifices itself and Samaritan so that humanity would prevail. Samaritan's logic is the exact opposite; sacrifice the humans and machines will prevail.
Samaritan couldn't take any chances of Harold quickly yelling out the password so that the machine or someone else could activate the virus. Samaritan figured that the machine was in the complex. I mean she did have two of her agents in there already aside from Harold. Of course this means that Greer would die, but who cares since Samaritan will still be around.
@@Cotcan if samaritan is committed to not taking any chances the appropriate response is not letting your minion monologue during an unncessarily elaborate deathtrap, but positioning a second minion behind harold ready to shoot him in the back of the head the instant he admits the machine doesn't have the password. or, hell, just plant a sufficiently large bomb in the building and blow everybody up instantly.
Greer wanted something to believe in. A higher power. He once believed it was government, until he witnessed firsthand how corrupted it was. He did not want to worship a corrupt god. He believed in Samaritan because “It’s decisions will be based on logic…that is the kind of leader deserving of our vote.” That’s also why he was okay being sacrificed. Greer didn’t see that as a betrayal but rather the best possible option for his god.
Am I the only one, or is this scene somewhat reminiscent of Luke Skywalker and the "Emperor" ? The guy playing Greer, first time I laid eyes on him, made me think of the ole evil cloak. Well, I guess all good scripts have an arch like that. Shame Harold didn't have a lightsabre....
*half and hour before this scene, Greer speaks to the mechanics of that room* Greer: "I want you to drain the oxygen from this room after I lure him in here and find out if the machine knows the password" Mechanic: "Here's a bright idea, why don't you lure him in, find out if the machine knows the password and quickly run out of the room before we needlessly suffocate the crap out of our director??" Greer: "Oh fine, but it won't be a poetic sacrafice" *They watch Finch suffocate in the room* Greer: "You see how boring that was?"
The scene further supports what Finch said about Greer, that he's gone mad. Greer believes human life means nothing, including his own. Greer references them as chess pieces, meaningless. After finding out what he needed from Finch, he declared victory, his purpose complete. He'll willingly go down with Finch just to prove his point. Human life is worthless. The Queen sacrifice, so be it, to Greer they are truly just pieces on a board.
John greer. The best example of a deluded individual. Stuck in his own opinions, living through them as they were facts. Sad but true lots of people are like him.
I thought Got is a bit better but since poi was shutdown with short notice they did impeccable job. A concept that the makers made carefully. Defenitely one of the most highly under rated series of all time.
"Letting humanity determine its own fate" Finch could have initialized or deployed ice-9 before he was caught if he had used USB-C, but he used USB-A which it takes time to transfer data!
it is a shame that Person Of Interest SEASON 5 was cut short, thus causing the slapdashed final plot, Greer's death seemed unnesscessary and also Elias's in this season
Can you add the scene were Greer takes over an uber-like tech company with a female Ceo. The company is about to go bankrupt because of scandal involving one of the senior leaders, and Greer walks into the boardroom talking before he even sits down.
Greer thinking he created Samaritan is such ego, he just put the pieces together of another mans work and thought himself and Finch to be peers when he was nothing of the sort.
*Top most intelligent characters in person of interest* : The machine Samaritan John greer Root Harold Finch Control *Top fighters* : Sameen Shaw John Reese Root Bear Martine rouseau Joss carter Lionel fusco *Best characters overall/Best powerplayers* : The machine Root Sameen Shaw *Characters that didn't deserve to die* : Joss Carter Control Kara Stanton Note : Control is in the most intelligent characters section because she was wise enough to figure out that samaritan was evil. Though, she was a dumbass after vigilance.
I don't think so. Harold should be 3rd. He can literally rewrite Samaritan and the machine if he wants to. As he said in his "rule" speech. He was holding back so much.
Yes he could and him not escaping is a point. Samaritan asked him to die and he was blindly willing to give his life to his god. The scene is pivotal here because what you see is the two AIs fathers trapped in a room.(greer didnt create Samaritan but he arranged its birth) Greer the devoted obedient loyal servant Samaritan asked to die for no reason because everyone was irrelevant to Samaritan (Samaritan could have had Finch shot) Finch feared, crippled, hurt, and tried to kill the machine but the Machine still forgave him and did everthing she could to save Finch Which AI should you put your faith in?
I've been doing a rewatch this winter, and I'm convinced that Julian Sands's former secret agent was supposed to be Greer, but for some reason, the powers that ran the show weren't able to keep Sands's services. (We only see Sands once, even as the one episode in which he appears slips in the likelihood that he'll be back.) Just as well, John Nolan did it better!
You know, when Greer revealed his true character on the back end of the series, I always summed him up in eight simple words..."Too afraid to live, too scared to die". He was so utterly, mind-numbingly terrified of the world that he was a part of...the world that men like his superiors had helped shape. And yet, he could never bring himself to take his own life. So why have no issue with being killed by Samaritan? Simple...because the decision was taken away from him. And that's what he had dreamed of for so long...a world where no one could ever make their own decisions again. And that's the real tragedy, when one thinks about it. For all his high-handed rhetoric toward the end, the truth is, deep down in his soul, Greer was a coward and he died like one.
Well, that was one of the interesting twists that Person of Interest made. I mean, you think of all the time they spent in those early Seasons, building him up into like this Bond villain. But then, when they announced his intentions, and then dove even deeper with his backstory, they completely flipped the script. So at the very end, when he became this supplicant toadie with all that "Please Master, be my Savior" nonsense, you just couldn't help but think to yourself, "God, this guy's REALLY kind of pathetic".
Regarding the scene that followed the end of this one. If the room was soundproof, wouldn't that have prevented Harold from hearing the password from the cell phone outside?
@@xpk3 If you want to go futher it was so stupid of samaritain and to greer to think the machine didnt knew the code for deploying the virus ..wich he bet his life and sacrifice wich fail funny enough..later you just hear the machine give to harold the code that he though (harold) the machine didnt knew but come to the conclusion that the machine know him to much ....So yeah Poor greer ps ; dashwood was the password i think
Acting was great but the idea that this was some genius sacrifice was silly. They could have killed him at any moment and there was no need to try to kill him in this convoluted way.
POI - Best Of - Harold' s arrest (the day the world went away) - Greer' s conversation with Grace (beta) 💫 I found myself thinking about that scene today; now I' m dying to see it! ☺😁 - I don't know who you are or how this ends, but... we're done here. No more questions. No more questions about me and my life or Harold - No need to lose your temper - Here's all you need to know about me, old man. My dad was an alcoholic. Nearly tore the family to pieces. The thing about growing up that way? you get good at spotting lies. So good that you start expecting them from everyone. So how do I know what Harold told me was true? Because when he came along, against every instinct, I gave him my trust. Somehow I knew... he would never break it. And if you doubt that, even for a second, you're the one who's lying to himself - You truly loved him, didn't you? - I would have done anything to save him. And Harold would have done anything for me - Yes. I have no doubt - Answer me one question. Why are you so interested in Harold? He's dead - Your tea's gone cold. Feel free to freshen it up That scene is heart - breaking 😢 💫💜
Samaritan has automatic control over that room. It doesn't have bullets. Harold might, conceivably, tell the password to any agent that shot him (including Greer himself), which would then make that agent a liability. Far safer to remotely both Harold and the only person he might, in his last moments, tell.
This was dumb as a way to end Greer. He could have easily killed Harold without killing himself. He didn't help his cause or Samaritan by his suicide here. Bad writing, & a shame too, after such great writing at the beginning of the series, to end the final season with episodes like this.
I find it strange that the biggest villian of the series was a victim of the facist movement and fought it when he was in MI6 then gave up and built himself an AI Dictator with it own Secret Police.
It makes sense in a way, its not so much the methods of control but the intent behind it. He sees AI as the perfect parent. One which cannot be corrupted and trusts in it knowing best. If the machine decides to "un-alive" a person (RUclips doesn't like no no words) it doesn't do it out of spite or a personal grudge against them but for a "greater good" at least he truly believes that. Harold on the other hand doesn't trust AI to have human interests in consideration, after all at least one of the prototypes tried to kill him.
the problem with this show is that a program like that would have to get maintanance 24h. Infact programs like that exist i think and they do. SO instead of one guy you have a whole devision a whole company where evrybody is just doing their jobs. And then there is snowdan in the middle :D
You think an ASI isn't capable of obtaining the maintenance it needs? Clearly it can receive any and all human assistance it could ever need, as evidenced by the show multiple times.
Personally, I rather liked the parallels to Greek and Roman mythology they went with and the theatre style dialogues between Greer and Finch when they met. It addressed questions of AI quite nicely in my opinion. I will admit though that it became a bit narrow, especially in seasons 4 and 5. Before you got everything from Greek mythology, to coding allegories, to Japanese legends, to gangster film references. It was definitely part cop-show, part sci-fi. Then it came a bit too focused on the sci-fi and mythology side of things. You would get smaller scale New York things and the occasional suggestion of something bigger with the arrival of a government member or Greer but with Samaritan, that just went out the window. To be fair on the producers though, I think they were rushed by studio executives.
POI died when they killed Carter and when they started shooting people at the knee caps. That killed this show! what a bunch of garbage after that! Plus they all could shoot a pill from a mile,but in every shooting scene they missed the bad guys even from 5 feet distance. Those things killed the show for good.
@@nihleigleca6702 I agree, but everyone wasn't going to go along for that ride when they changed the show. To me, Season 3 was by far the best of the series, it was great from beginning to end with only a few slow filler episodes, but Season 4 was a bit hokey and contrived, they pushed things a bit too far with the team having to be undercover yet still saving the numbers, I mean they kind of painted themselves into a corner. It was an ambitious idea, I suppose where the show had to go after Samaritan came online at the end of Season 3, and of course it was the writers way of examining the negative aspects of mass surveillance paired with an ASI, the harm it could have, but it was too difficult to pull-off in a way that would keep the interest of many viewers; I think a lot abandoned the show at this point even though YHWH was one of the best episodes ever, if a bit over the top in theatrical effects. Season 5 had some great episodes, in my opinion the Season premier BSOD, along with SNAFU and 6,741 were among the best of the series, but I think Root's shtick was wearing a bit thin and ultimately the show needed to be wound down. I think Shaw's absence, while necessary, did have a somewhat negative effect on the show, even if the writers did handle it fairly well. Ultimately, the show was very good, but it was uneven at times and many could see it starting to falter.
@@mydogskips2 Yeah I too think season 3 was the most well-made. Afterwards, basically Jonathan Nolan had his mind turned onto the Westworld and the lack of attention to detail in POI started to show. Also, the CBS cancellation also rushed the plotline. It's a real shame that this show never fully realized the potential it had.
I have NEVER liked this guy (John Nolan, thanks Bill Osborn), as soon as he was on the show I stopped wataching PI. He only plays one part, and Idon't regret that I stopped watching because all writers write the same scrip (or better copy it).
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John Greer was a magnificent evil antagonist.
WillFerrellNumberOne he was, I just feel this was a pointless death for him :/
@@swingmattuk Yes, it made no sense and was completely unnecessary, utterly pointless really. Once Greer and Samaritan realized that only Finch knew the password and the Machine supposedly did not they could have just killed Finch, there was no reason for Greer to have to die here. Unless I missed something, a few bullets for Harold would have sufficed and Greer could have gone on having outwitted Finch.
At the very least, if they wanted to play up the drama and not have Greer get his hands dirty by shooting someone, he could have left the room while Finch was trapped before they evacuated the air, but they didn't do that and Finch obviously escaped.
I think the writers did this to show that Samaritan held no value for human life, regardless of whose life it was, they were completely irrelevant, the exclusive concern for Samaritan was doing what needed to be done for the sake of meeting whatever objective was set. Whereas Harold always placed human life above the Machine, Greer always saw Samaritan as being the superior of man worthy of making whatever decision it saw fit for mankind.
It was an interesting dichotomy between Team Machine and Team Samaritan, but I still maintain that the sacrifice of Greer was entirely unnecessary.
@@mamalmi First off, I didn't care that Greer died, I did not "want him saved because he was a good character," I just thought his death was completely unnecessary. And I'm not the only one who thought this, the comment I replied to above said the same thing. That being said, I do agree with you in that Greer's death did serve a purpose, a purpose we've both pointed out, I just don't think it was handled very artistically with the greatest literary deftness, to me it felt contrived and hyperbolic, and again, it simply wasn't necessary. I don't believe Greer's death was bad thing, just that it could have been done better. Also, if Greer and Samaritan wanted to be absolutely, completely sure that Finch would die, a few bullets would have worked better, that would have been more certain than trying to suffocate him.
Secondly, I don't think Finch uploaded the virus until the end of this episode, so Samaritan was not weakened. What Samaritan did not expect however was that the Machine would be able to intervene in the way it did to save Harold's life(while at the same time sacrificing Greer, and needlessly I might add, even if it belabors the point).
@@charlesray5949 Ummm... I'm sorry, but I don't know what the High Table of/or John Wick is, I have not watched those movies.
@@mydogskips2 That's ok, but have U ever watched Burn Notice?
As many of you probably know, the actor playing Greer is John Nolan, who is show-runner Jonathan Nolan's uncle. Not sure how much Jonathan had to do to get his British uncle to take the part, but he truly made Greer the "guy you love to hate".
Like the scene in which he explained what true control is.
Interesting because John Nolan was also in his nephew's films Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises as one of the board members of Wayne Enterprises.
Ah, reverse nepotism.
Watching him flaunt the truth in front of Vigilance was crazy. What an episode!
I really love The Nolan brothers. They direct beautiful movies and tv series. I didn’t know this but that’s actually awesome.
And this kiddos is why you don't dialogue in a vacuumed room.
I love the way John Greer died, he showed no fear whatsoever, he went out in his own terms & took his death like a man,
WillFerrellNumberOne *took his death like a psychopath. But, I do agree with you. It was a very interesting scene.
Yeah, but it made no sense and was completely unnecessary, utterly pointless really. Once Greer and Samaritan realized that only Finch knew the password and that the Machine supposedly did not, they could have simply killed Finch, there was simply no reason for Greer to have to die here. Unless I missed something, a few bullets for Harold would have sufficed and Greer could have gone on having outwitted Finch.
I think the writers did this to show that Samaritan held no value for human life, regardless of whose life it was, they were completely irrelevant, the exclusive concern for Samaritan was doing what needed to be done for the sake of meeting whatever objective was set. Whereas Harold always placed human life above that of the Machine, Greer always saw Samaritan as being the superior of man worthy of making whatever decision it saw fit for mankind.
It was an interesting dichotomy, but I still maintain that the sacrifice of Greer was entirely unnecessary.
@@mydogskips2 I don't think it was about Samaritan but about Greer, he was crazily trusting of Samaritan to the point that he wanted to die for it's sake.
A [misguided] zealot's death!
@@mydogskips2 Samaritan already locked and began suffocating the two of them. Greer only surmised that Harold retained "control" over the execution of the ICE-9 virus, after that point. Both Greer and Finch were the ONLY ones to posed ANY potential threat to Samaritan (Greer because he retained authority & Finch because he created the Machine (and thus possesses the genius to counter Samaritan)). It shows how paranoid and ruthless Samaritan had become...all those bodies in the tunnel...brilliant doctors, engineers, programmers etc...just extinguished on the future possible potential to become a threat or pose some challenge to Samaritan's authority. Season 5 was a drip...drip...drip demonstration of Samaritan's ruthlessness.
"History will revere us"... what a magnificent sentence it is..
I'm trying to understand what that mean. Can you help me?
@@leorc5923 Basically it means History will remember and respect them two for what they did
Hah. Probably not
@@thai4713 He will be revered as Hitler and Genghis Khan are "revered" :P
Absolutely! 👌🏻👍🏻😉 Just one thing: right before Greer died, Harold should have been able to reply:
HISTORY WILL NEVER KNOW WHO WE WERE!!!
😲
Greer: "Let's die together"
Finch: "lol not today"
even though he is the "bad guy" i must respect his dedication, and his readiness to die for it...also the way he says passUord is amazing
It was really nice to see Arthur Claypool's name mentioned again
When a new viewer watches this scene they will think Finch didn't tell the Machine the password as FInch never trusted any ASI, but later we learn that the machine already knew the password but decided to respect Finch's wishes to have the final say to whether to deploy the virus or not. I think that is the mark of a true Human-like ASI. If an ASI does something just because it has access, then it needs to be destroyed and reformed again with new values.
Absolute poetry they way they wrote it 💯
Bold of you to assume an ASI will be destroyable.
Greer's eyes looked really mad here. Fittingly, Finch tells him "you've gone mad!" John Nolan did a great job here
That was COLD! ! !...Excellent writing.
It's sad that this masterpiece is so underrated. I began at season 2, but i loved the 1st season, it was an interesting concept and story. However I can see why some would be turned off by season 1
And then we can see surveillance at it's finest in 2019.
Are you kidding, Season 1 was very good, nothing to be turned off about at all. It's just that it did get better, the show just kept upping the ante as time went on. But as it did so, the tone and feel of the show changed as well. A lot of people were actually turned off by Season 3, the death of Carter, and the introduction of Samaritan, it completely changed the show.
@@mydogskips2 It was such a simple concept yet so good. I missed it to be honest.
I was much younger when I seen the previews for the Pilot episode. I was forever locked in..I loved Reese.
@@mydogskips2 I loved season 1, it had that ‘villian of the week’ vibe and I personally love those, then they slowly grow into a much larger story. Miss it!
PoI at times was so prescient and forward thinking that it personalized and humanized the entire dialogue about the escalation of AI and the motive of a paternalistic use for such. It presented the moral implications of doing so and presented in very tangible ways the real life perils of relying upon AI to embrace benevolence. The show did so by highlighting that "machine" logic via algorithms fails to consider the all important line of demarcation with regard to taking a human life and that the ends never truly justify the means. Moreover, as presented in the show itself, the solution to world hunger in machine logic could just as easily be to purge what algorithms determine to be excess, non-contributory populations in order to bring "demand" in line with supply. This is what made PoI exceptional television...at least in the moments that it rose to such esoteric heights.
i was told this when younger machines may advance but they will follow cold true logic or they will followed distorted logic as people design them to contain as such ether way the end result is likely bad if they advance too much down ether path without carful care taken.
Greer could have just quickly dashed out of the room right before the doors closed, since he knew Finch would have had no way of following him, especially due to his walking impediment.
lol he too is old
@@chaitu.petluri8113 refer to my comment above lol
no, *this was the absolute best time for him to die for both Greer and Samaritan.*
he got the chance to die as a hero. the other option was was him getting old and dying slowly, no longer useful, while wasting resources (in Samaritan's view) and posing a risk to it by knowing so much about it. this was the perfect time.
Seeing how much older Greer is than Finch too, I doubt he will walk any faster than Finch despite Finch's walking impediment. Finch could even try wrestling Greer to the ground and see if he could make it to the door instead. But Greer's men might be waiting in ambush outside in case he actually tries so... yeah. Anyway, John still came around and saved him, so it's all good. Everyone in team machine all had their well deserved ending.
Reminds me of Varys/Littlefinger relationship from Game of Thrones. Two geniuses playing a grand game of chess, moving pawns around a board.
Josh Dawson YES!
Finch said in the episode regarding chess;
"Anyone who sees the world as a game of chess deserves to lose."
I loved POI, but people misunderstand, POI is seasons 1, 2 and Carter's storyline (first half of 3) and Machines and Morality begins after that. I love both shows, but they are different halves of a masterpiece. Or every like 35 episodes equals Act 1, 2 and 3.
Absolutely, I agree, the introduction of Samaritan completely changed the show. and this happened right after Carter died. I would just point out that this didn't happen until about 55 episodes in. Season 1 was 23 episodes, Season 2, 22 episodes, and Samaritan wasn't really introduced until about episode 11 of Season 3.
I strongly disagree. In order for the series to end, the Machine always needed a fitting enemy. So there was always gonna be another AI introduced. That is, unless they allowed the human revolutionary people to defeat the Machine, which I suppose would have been a better ending.
@@blanktrigger8863 yes that seems like an interesting direction. Machine was always crippled but in the end they showed it really cared while Samaritan was indifferent from the start. I gotta be honest I didn't really like how they handled Samaritan at first, from the get go they always assumed Samaritan will be the worst, which it was but I would love to see a Samaritan in the grey area
PoI was indeed two separate shows melded together. One was about moral redemption of the human individual. Reese, Finch, Fusco, Root etc., all represented various facets of people who did things (with dire consequences) in their past that they deeply regret. Some of this was by directly choosing actions, by self-interest or in service of some personal beliefs, that harmed others or by indirect, unforeseen, unanticipated consequences of their actions/choices. In the present moment, they now choose to redeem themselves by wiping their ledgers clean of all that red through "good deeds" helping those in trouble or stopping those intent on harming others. This is the presentation of human beings having a natural arc towards benevolence or at the very least, human beings feeling guilt/shame and regret about the bad outcomes of their actions. This is contrasted with the idea that an AI system could never truly be benevolent or feel regret, guilt, shame or desire for redemption.
Once Samaritan arose, the narrative shifted to the debate about whether an AI system could be as morally principled as Carter or Finch and whether it could embrace a simultaneously universal and individual benevolence. More pointedly, towards the final "battle" between Finch's Machine and Samaritan, whether an AI system could be self-sacrificial in wanting to "do NO harm". The series posited an interesting theory that this question may very well turn on the moral composition of the person or persons upon which the AI systems algorithms are modeled.
@@samwellick1706 I agree with you, having Samaritan operate in the "grey area" would have been interesting, and probably more realistic as the world is "grey" and far more nuanced than a simple black and white dichotomy the show presented, but you have to realize that Samaritan was created to be a foil to "Team Machine". As Blank Trigger says above, the Machine always needed a fitting enemy, and Samaritan was it, along with Greer and Co.
And to be honest, one thing this show did not do was be ambiguous, for better or for worse, the writers really spelled things out for everyone, so they made it very clear that Samaritan was the villain right from the outset, they were really simplistic about those kinds of things, and if you don't believe me, read some of the reviews on IMDB and you'll see that that's what a lot of people complained about, and I agree with them. But that's not why I watched the show, I suppose those who were fans liked the premise, but it was also about entertainment through action, drama, suspense, and over-the-top sensationalism, great theatricality.
While I don't necessarily agree that Samaritan's creation was inevitable, I think the show could have gone on without Samaritan,(I mean, some people really liked the number-of-the-week format and the lighter feel the earlier seasons had and believed the introduction of Samaritan destroyed/ruined the show), but as is pointed out above, POI was really two shows merged into one, one pre-Samaritan, one post-Samaritan, and exploring the dark side and potential downfalls of an ASI was more compelling, where the writers naturally wanted to go, it just took them two and a half seasons to get there(remember, it started out with Carter chasing Reese, then with Root abducting Finch and forcing him to take her to the Machine where she could "set it free"); fortunately they had a compelling story to tell with the HR storyline which was the main throughline dominating the first two and a half seasons, and when it was over they immediately transitioned over to Samaritan.
And I have been searching forever to find a group of people with whom I can discuss POI, talk to them about the best scenes, most emotional scenes, scenes that made them love this show. Never found one. All FB groups are BOGUS.
I hate to ask, but are there any on reddit?
Poi has their subreddit
Hello
This series is for a limited audience......and we all are a part of that niche group
@@shridharshanbhag3942PoI is even more relevant today then it was when it was airing. I wish more people would revisit or first time watch the show and talk about it. The AI tech community today in its hubris & race to be first is much more likely to build a Samaritan than The Machine.
Does anyone get a magneto/Greer vs Xavier/finch vibe from these two.
Yeah, probably because John Nolan is also somewhat similar to Ian McKellen.
He does look like Ian McKellen. I mean, not exactly like Ian McKellen but John Nolan does look somewhat like Ian McKellen.
No . Magneto and Xavier are friends.
for an old guy, he took forever to fall down in a room lacking in Oxygen.
Nolan family are such talented folk.Chris, Emma and Jonathan Nolan are such great story tellers then comes Nolan’s uncle John plays Richard Greer who plays a smart villain in one of the greatest tv series. Long live the Nolans.
The machine fought it's way back against all odds to become "Human".
i can't bring myself to watch season 5 yet- i just don't want it to end! ( and WOW were they spot on, on so many things going on in the world TODAY!)
What's amazing to me is how Oblivious the C.I.A. and all other Government Agencies were to The Machine and Samaritan's existence.
Control was above CIA and homeland security. She made sure they can't learn it existence. If she could do it so could Samaritan
Samaritan was actually sanctioned and commissioned by the Congress, hence that momentous episode where The Machine gave the Congressman's number. All other gov't agencies were "oblivious" since The Machine only gave IRRELEVANT numbers, meaning ordinary, run-of-the-mill non-threats to national security. The latter was also the reason why for most of the show, the team went unnoticed by the intel. agencies. Same reason why the C/I/A and N/S/A don't get involved in, say, online activities of drug cartels.
What really interesting is the machine always knew his password she respected Harold and never used it.
Greer calls Finch a Pawn, and himself a Queen. What narcissism, what arrogance.
No, he talks about that he and Finch are pawns and the AI's are the black and white queens. He just says that they are worth nothing and that it is his job as a pawn to die so his queen can survive and win the game. This is deep in the way that finch did play chess with his AI and the lession was that anyone who sees life as a chess game, by giving value to humans like they are chess pieces deserves to lose, because life is life and no life is worth more than another (i guess that is objective). In the "flashbacks" videos there is also a szene where the machine does try to save Finch from a driver that fell a sleep diving his car (drunk?) and after that Finch says that the AI cant save him. Friedrich Niche said that there is no good or evil... and Finch also said that AI is born with objetives (i would say everything has an objective as seen in the Maslow pyramid) the only question is who will "win" because history has always been writen by the winners and moral (what Finch was teaching the machine) can be an obstacle to victory. And to come back to the beginning.... in history human males have always sacrificed themself for the "greater good" for example to protect their wife and kids. For some it's an honor become the "martyr" and they find inner peace by knowing that their life "made sense" and this is also the ending on John, who is happy that Finch gave him the chance to fight and in the end go down by saving humanity instead of drinking himself to death.
I love the idea of a villain dying thinking they're sacrificing themselves like a hero!
Greer was already a Class-A villain, but his death showed how committed he'd always been and that he was absolutely a true believer.
As this show progressed, I realized that no one could kill Greer except Greer himself (by Samaritan's orders).
Also, Greer's death fits perfectly with his values.
Nevertheless, considering the weight of Greer's character on the show, his death ended in vain.
Love that Easter Egg to Terminator 2 with the cop saying about security breach for 2 seconds 😆
I was a fan of this show from the start and wish it continued with Shaw as the new Reese. Or with the other team they met with Logan Pierce as the new Finch.
One of first films I saw was The Forbin Project - similar themes. And there's Skynet. Good job we're not heading that way... oh wait...
Pawns can be very powerful pieces in chess.
The "Queen/Samaritan" sacrificed her pawn, where the Machine didnt.
The machine's pawn survived. Put the queen in checkmate by sacrificing another piece.
I know people don't understand why Greer went out like that when he probably could have escaped, but neither he nor Samaritan wanted to take any chances. They had him, but they were also smart enough not to underestimate Harold.
I see this scene a little differently. The scene shows the major difference in Samaritan and the Machine. Greer and his men could have just shot Harold and Greer would have survived. The fact that Samaritan had his men leave shows Samaritans arrogance and the blind faith his assets that Samaritan would win.
The scene is pivotal for me because Greer is in some ways Samaritans father it was through his efforts that Samaritan was born. Greer was a devoted acolite but Samaritan threw him away like he was nothing. In contrast Harold was the Machines father but Harold tried to kill her multiple times but the machine understood and forgave him again and again and against all odds tried to save Harold.
Now which AI would you trust?
It's an interesting bit of symbolism - the machine sacrifices itself and Samaritan so that humanity would prevail. Samaritan's logic is the exact opposite; sacrifice the humans and machines will prevail.
Samaritan couldn't take any chances of Harold quickly yelling out the password so that the machine or someone else could activate the virus. Samaritan figured that the machine was in the complex. I mean she did have two of her agents in there already aside from Harold. Of course this means that Greer would die, but who cares since Samaritan will still be around.
@@Cotcan if samaritan is committed to not taking any chances the appropriate response is not letting your minion monologue during an unncessarily elaborate deathtrap, but positioning a second minion behind harold ready to shoot him in the back of the head the instant he admits the machine doesn't have the password. or, hell, just plant a sufficiently large bomb in the building and blow everybody up instantly.
Greer wanted something to believe in. A higher power. He once believed it was government, until he witnessed firsthand how corrupted it was. He did not want to worship a corrupt god. He believed in Samaritan because “It’s decisions will be based on logic…that is the kind of leader deserving of our vote.” That’s also why he was okay being sacrificed. Greer didn’t see that as a betrayal but rather the best possible option for his god.
Non ci sono persone cattive in questa incredibile serie tv..ci sono solo persone manipolate..♥️
All that work just to die for nothing! His precious Samaritan dies with him 😂
Ramin Djawadi and John Nolan. Match made in heaven.
Am I the only one, or is this scene somewhat reminiscent of Luke Skywalker and the "Emperor" ? The guy playing Greer, first time I laid eyes on him, made me think of the ole evil cloak. Well, I guess all good scripts have an arch like that. Shame Harold didn't have a lightsabre....
*half and hour before this scene, Greer speaks to the mechanics of that room*
Greer: "I want you to drain the oxygen from this room after I lure him in here and find out if the machine knows the password"
Mechanic: "Here's a bright idea, why don't you lure him in, find out if the machine knows the password and quickly run out of the room before we needlessly suffocate the crap out of our director??"
Greer: "Oh fine, but it won't be a poetic sacrafice"
*They watch Finch suffocate in the room*
Greer: "You see how boring that was?"
Terrence McGarty Greer is too old to run
@@petermartin4142 too old to run 10 feet out of a room that would literally kill him if he stayed in? If I were him, I'd roll those dice
Alright that was from HISHE.
@@st-cm9vy Lol it was a tribute to them
The scene further supports what Finch said about Greer, that he's gone mad. Greer believes human life means nothing, including his own. Greer references them as chess pieces, meaningless. After finding out what he needed from Finch, he declared victory, his purpose complete. He'll willingly go down with Finch just to prove his point. Human life is worthless. The Queen sacrifice, so be it, to Greer they are truly just pieces on a board.
Shades of the forbin project 🎥!
John greer. The best example of a deluded individual. Stuck in his own opinions, living through them as they were facts. Sad but true lots of people are like him.
To be remembered
I thought Got is a bit better but since poi was shutdown with short notice they did impeccable job.
A concept that the makers made carefully. Defenitely one of the most highly under rated series of all time.
GOT final season killed it from being a GOAT series....POI is a masterpiece
« Prolifération is inevitable »
Harold ♥️
Cliff hanger clips. Great.....
"Letting humanity determine its own fate" Finch could have initialized or deployed ice-9 before he was caught if he had used USB-C, but he used USB-A which it takes time to transfer data!
it is a shame that Person Of Interest SEASON 5 was cut short, thus causing the slapdashed final plot, Greer's death seemed unnesscessary and also Elias's in this season
If you want a special scene from Person of Interest that you love who's not on this channel, contact me via the comment and i'll certainly make it! :)
Can you add the scene were Greer takes over an uber-like tech company with a female Ceo. The company is about to go bankrupt because of scandal involving one of the senior leaders, and Greer walks into the boardroom talking before he even sits down.
The scene that Harold says: If you really want a mystery I recommend human heart
POI - Best Of please, oh! please: Harold' s arrest!!! 5x10
that must have been the funniest thing to film
is it just me or this guy would' ve made a far better James Moriarty than Jared Harris? I' m talking about Greer, of course ☺😁
josè muñoz rojas Yeah, he is great!
@@MirzaKhalid the dude is 80+ I think he enjoys being part of small roles in his nephews films
Gods will fight to the death when Man cannot agree what they should be.
The ultimate nepotism….
plot twist: the machine does know the password lol
Greer thinking he created Samaritan is such ego, he just put the pieces together of another mans work and thought himself and Finch to be peers when he was nothing of the sort.
Not sure why he killed himself could’ve just left the room😂
A pesar de lo loco que parece estar el creador de samaritan en algo tiene razon la ASI es inevitable el progreso tecnologico
I think Finchs overall perspective was leaving the future to AI control was not a good idea. Fate isn't without irony.
Shades of the forbin project movie! ..........mmmmmm
I love this show im frome Croatia it only aired seson 1 and 2 and I absolutly loved this show wuld love to see the full thing
Harold makes it out
wtf is that Brother Mouzone ?!
Team kindness both
Can you upload the scene where Samaritan talks to Finch in Times Square?
Yes It's planned ! Thx for you comment :D
It's online ! Thx for you comment :D ruclips.net/video/yK_oFa8Uhc8/видео.html
*Top most intelligent characters in person of interest* :
The machine
Samaritan
John greer
Root
Harold Finch
Control
*Top fighters* :
Sameen Shaw
John Reese
Root
Bear
Martine rouseau
Joss carter
Lionel fusco
*Best characters overall/Best powerplayers* :
The machine
Root
Sameen Shaw
*Characters that didn't deserve to die* :
Joss Carter
Control
Kara Stanton
Note : Control is in the most intelligent characters section because she was wise enough to figure out that samaritan was evil. Though, she was a dumbass after vigilance.
I don't think so. Harold should be 3rd. He can literally rewrite Samaritan and the machine if he wants to. As he said in his "rule" speech. He was holding back so much.
Where can I download all the seasons of this except Netflix. Is there any site to download it in HD quality
Did Greer really have to die? He could have escaped easily, I guess.
Yes he could and him not escaping is a point. Samaritan asked him to die and he was blindly willing to give his life to his god.
The scene is pivotal here because what you see is the two AIs fathers trapped in a room.(greer didnt create Samaritan but he arranged its birth)
Greer the devoted obedient loyal servant Samaritan asked to die for no reason because everyone was irrelevant to Samaritan (Samaritan could have had Finch shot)
Finch feared, crippled, hurt, and tried to kill the machine but the Machine still forgave him and did everthing she could to save Finch
Which AI should you put your faith in?
@@jonreese7066 I
I think it was more about eliminating the two people alive in the world capable of representing a threat to Samaritan.
I've been doing a rewatch this winter, and I'm convinced that Julian Sands's former secret agent was supposed to be Greer, but for some reason, the powers that ran the show weren't able to keep Sands's services. (We only see Sands once, even as the one episode in which he appears slips in the likelihood that he'll be back.) Just as well, John Nolan did it better!
Maybe Harold was the enemy?
OK, Sucked In Again, where is the next scene? ....... :)
You know, when Greer revealed his true character on the back end of the series, I always summed him up in eight simple words..."Too afraid to live, too scared to die". He was so utterly, mind-numbingly terrified of the world that he was a part of...the world that men like his superiors had helped shape. And yet, he could never bring himself to take his own life.
So why have no issue with being killed by Samaritan? Simple...because the decision was taken away from him. And that's what he had dreamed of for so long...a world where no one could ever make their own decisions again. And that's the real tragedy, when one thinks about it. For all his high-handed rhetoric toward the end, the truth is, deep down in his soul, Greer was a coward and he died like one.
Hadn't thought of it from this perspective
Well, that was one of the interesting twists that Person of Interest made. I mean, you think of all the time they spent in those early Seasons, building him up into like this Bond villain. But then, when they announced his intentions, and then dove even deeper with his backstory, they completely flipped the script. So at the very end, when he became this supplicant toadie with all that "Please Master, be my Savior" nonsense, you just couldn't help but think to yourself, "God, this guy's REALLY kind of pathetic".
Yes
Can this guy talk without blinking on every word?
Lmao I just realized
Why did you lock yourself ? Just kill finch with gun . You dont need die too
root you still alive?
No thought of the spiritual/metaphysics aspects of life!!!!! Such a pity I liked this show!
Am I the only one
Regarding the scene that followed the end of this one. If the room was soundproof, wouldn't that have prevented Harold from hearing the password from the cell phone outside?
The Machine used the phone screen to blink the door passcode.
@@xpk3 If you want to go futher it was so stupid of samaritain and to greer to think the machine didnt knew the code for deploying the virus ..wich he bet his life and sacrifice wich fail funny enough..later you just hear the machine give to harold the code that he though (harold) the machine didnt knew but come to the conclusion that the machine know him to much ....So yeah Poor greer
ps ; dashwood was the password i think
Acting was great but the idea that this was some genius sacrifice was silly. They could have killed him at any moment and there was no need to try to kill him in this convoluted way.
They were worried that Finch's AI knew the deployment password for the virus. Otherwise they probably would have.
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POI - Best Of
- Harold' s arrest (the day the world went away)
- Greer' s conversation with Grace (beta) 💫 I found myself thinking about that scene today; now I' m dying to see it! ☺😁
- I don't know who you are or how this ends, but... we're done here. No more questions. No more questions about me and my life or Harold
- No need to lose your temper
- Here's all you need to know about me, old man. My dad was an alcoholic. Nearly tore the family to pieces. The thing about growing up that way? you get good at spotting lies. So good that you start expecting them from everyone. So how do I know what Harold told me was true? Because when he came along, against every instinct, I gave him my trust. Somehow I knew... he would never break it. And if you doubt that, even for a second, you're the one who's lying to himself
- You truly loved him, didn't you?
- I would have done anything to save him. And Harold would have done anything for me
- Yes. I have no doubt
- Answer me one question. Why are you so interested in Harold? He's dead
- Your tea's gone cold. Feel free to freshen it up
That scene is heart - breaking 😢 💫💜
I don’t get it : why not just shoot Harold once he reveals the Machine doesn’t know the password ? Why did Greer need to die alongside him ??
Samaritan has automatic control over that room. It doesn't have bullets. Harold might, conceivably, tell the password to any agent that shot him (including Greer himself), which would then make that agent a liability. Far safer to remotely both Harold and the only person he might, in his last moments, tell.
@@johnkloosterman6277 Thank you, it makes much more sense to me now !
This was dumb as a way to end Greer. He could have easily killed Harold without killing himself. He didn't help his cause or Samaritan by his suicide here. Bad writing, & a shame too, after such great writing at the beginning of the series, to end the final season with episodes like this.
I find it strange that the biggest villian of the series was a victim of the facist movement and fought it when he was in MI6 then gave up and built himself an AI Dictator with it own Secret Police.
It makes sense in a way, its not so much the methods of control but the intent behind it.
He sees AI as the perfect parent. One which cannot be corrupted and trusts in it knowing best.
If the machine decides to "un-alive" a person (RUclips doesn't like no no words) it doesn't do it out of spite or a personal grudge against them but for a "greater good" at least he truly believes that.
Harold on the other hand doesn't trust AI to have human interests in consideration, after all at least one of the prototypes tried to kill him.
the problem with this show is that a program like that would have to get maintanance 24h. Infact programs like that exist i think and they do. SO instead of one guy you have a whole devision a whole company where evrybody is just doing their jobs. And then there is snowdan in the middle :D
You think an ASI isn't capable of obtaining the maintenance it needs? Clearly it can receive any and all human assistance it could ever need, as evidenced by the show multiple times.
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The show got to be way too theatrical in my opinion.
Personally, I rather liked the parallels to Greek and Roman mythology they went with and the theatre style dialogues between Greer and Finch when they met. It addressed questions of AI quite nicely in my opinion. I will admit though that it became a bit narrow, especially in seasons 4 and 5.
Before you got everything from Greek mythology, to coding allegories, to Japanese legends, to gangster film references. It was definitely part cop-show, part sci-fi. Then it came a bit too focused on the sci-fi and mythology side of things. You would get smaller scale New York things and the occasional suggestion of something bigger with the arrival of a government member or Greer but with Samaritan, that just went out the window. To be fair on the producers though, I think they were rushed by studio executives.
POI died when they killed Carter and when they started shooting people at the knee caps. That killed this show! what a bunch of garbage after that! Plus they all could shoot a pill from a mile,but in every shooting scene they missed the bad guys even from 5 feet distance. Those things killed the show for good.
Shooting people in the knee caps started literally in the first episode.
lol do you even understand how much better it got after she died,the fight between the two ASIs and the ethics between them
Lol, it literally only became epic afterwards.
@@nihleigleca6702 I agree, but everyone wasn't going to go along for that ride when they changed the show. To me, Season 3 was by far the best of the series, it was great from beginning to end with only a few slow filler episodes, but Season 4 was a bit hokey and contrived, they pushed things a bit too far with the team having to be undercover yet still saving the numbers, I mean they kind of painted themselves into a corner. It was an ambitious idea, I suppose where the show had to go after Samaritan came online at the end of Season 3, and of course it was the writers way of examining the negative aspects of mass surveillance paired with an ASI, the harm it could have, but it was too difficult to pull-off in a way that would keep the interest of many viewers; I think a lot abandoned the show at this point even though YHWH was one of the best episodes ever, if a bit over the top in theatrical effects. Season 5 had some great episodes, in my opinion the Season premier BSOD, along with SNAFU and 6,741 were among the best of the series, but I think Root's shtick was wearing a bit thin and ultimately the show needed to be wound down. I think Shaw's absence, while necessary, did have a somewhat negative effect on the show, even if the writers did handle it fairly well.
Ultimately, the show was very good, but it was uneven at times and many could see it starting to falter.
@@mydogskips2 Yeah I too think season 3 was the most well-made. Afterwards, basically Jonathan Nolan had his mind turned onto the Westworld and the lack of attention to detail in POI started to show. Also, the CBS cancellation also rushed the plotline. It's a real shame that this show never fully realized the potential it had.
I have NEVER liked this guy (John Nolan, thanks Bill Osborn), as soon as he was on the show I stopped wataching PI. He only plays one part, and Idon't regret that I stopped watching because all writers write the same scrip (or better copy it).
That's some stupid opinion ngl
Are you saying Person of Interest's script is the same as any? Please recommend those shows that are like this one so I can watch them...