The Gen 3 Roaming Legendaries Are Glitchy and Terrible
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Today we take a deeper, more technical dive into some legendary Pokemon from the Gen 3 games, specifically Entei, Raikou, Suicune, Latios, and Latias. In their Pokemon Ruby, Sapphire, FireRed and LeafGreen appearances, these Pokemon suffer from seemingly tiny glitches that can go the length of ruining the Pokemon entirely. Let's take a look!
Pokemon glitches and the like are always interesting to me, but diving into the context created by them and how they affect our playthroughs and stories with the games- that's what I LOVE! And this one has implications for any normal playthrough in gen 3 Pokemon, but also competitive, so it can definitely be far reaching.
Definitely got a little technical on this one, hope you still enjoyed it! I'm still figuring things out and experimenting with the medium.
Follow me around the internet:
my twitter: / droomishw
my twitch: / droomish_
check out my patreon: / droomish
Gameplay comes from Pokemon Gold, Pokemon, Silver, Pokemon Crystal, Pokemon Emerald, Pokemon Ruby, Pokemon Sapphire, Pokemon FireRed, Pokemon LeafGreen, Pokemon Colosseum, Pokemon XD, Pokemon Platinum, Pokemon Pearl, and Pokemon Diamond. #pokemon #pokemonscarletandviolet #pokemonemerald
should we make the shirt at 5:51 a reality or is it too silly
YES
go for it 👍🏽 should add leaf green side by side with fire red
I think it's a bit niche
Yes do it that sounds like a great idea
now that I've seen the video I can confirm this is a BANGER shirt I would buy
These glitches have always been so funny to me. Not only are the roamers even harder to get than usual to the point of some of them being downright impossible if you let them Roar, if you do manage to catch them you get a Pokemon with absolutely horrible IV's as your reward. It's the biggest accidental middle finger.
It’s Gen 3, who cares about iv’s?
At least Hyper Training will fix those terrible IVs if you transfer them to Sun/Moon
@@MrLump Why wouldn't you care about having noticeably lower stats than you could have lol
@MrLump Didn't play crystal so Gen 3 were the first games to give a reason to care about IVs à la battle tower.
@@QPoilyBecause most kids don't understand how EVs or IVs work, or that they even exist. When I played Gen 3, I was in elementary school. I only cared about how cool they looked and power leveled my starter to level 100 so he could one-shot everyone else. I hated the Battle Frontier because it required me to actually plan and strategise instead of powering through everything with superior firepower.
You unlocked a long-dormant memory of being roared away by Entei and then wondering what the hell happened. Thanks for giving my young self some closure.
Bro same, oddly nice to have an old problem solved
yep, also happened to me
imagine gen 1 having roaming legendaries with that ABSOLUTELY PERFECT ENGINE
Imagine having Gen 1 with gen 1's codebase.
Well, you can catch Mew in gen 1 even though it's not supposed to be possible to find Mew at all in the game…
they'd probably mess up and end up making it so every wild, trainer, and static encounter all become one of the legendary beasts at level 3591e+34 with Sky Attack and Growl as their only moves
There would be a bug where, if you ever pressed a button on an even numbered frame, they would all get switched for Goldeens
G3: *has a glitch that can permanently remove a legendary from the game through absolutely no fault of the player if the pokemon just happens to use one out of its four moves, and another glitch that makes them always have terrible IVs no matter what*
UHHHHH B-B-BUT G1 BAD
I remember the first time i ran into Entei on my firered, my jaw dropped and my confusion rose through the roof, I was so flabbergasted with disbelief, I was lucky enough to know about the pokemon cloning glitch in emerald and cloned a masterball and just used that the next time i ran into it, I was on route 1 just bullying pidgeys and rattattas and randomly ran into it, even my sister was surprised when Entei appeared
I never beat my LeafGreen copy as a kid before it was lost, so I never got to experience this. By the time I got around to emulating, I already knew about the roaming legendaries.
Entei here I'd like my virginity back
As someone who caught ALL 3 beasts on separate fire red and leaf green saves for a live dex… yeah it sucks
Getting my legendary only to find that 4/6 stat block bits read "0"
"Ohhhh brother THIS GUY STINKS!!!"
I did remember getting roared away by entei as a kid but I definitely just forgot about him too soon after, never realized until now that hes just gone forever lol
Another point, in Colosseum, catching all the shadow Pokémon is a major completion criteria so even if knock them out and still get another chance
i always use the master ball on roaming legendaries. it feels like it was made for them
facts
We have a difficult choice to make in sinnoh
So do I but for Entei Raiku and Suicune Entei is the most useful of those and Suicune is pure CRAP for battles.
@@veghesther3204gen 3 suicune has no weakness. use surf ice beam calm mind rest/toxic, it is a TANK
Finding them is such a nightmare.
I tried to use Mean Look even in the Gold/Silver/Crystal games and even if it went First I STILL had ROAR causing the legendary pokemon to still run away SUCCESSFULLY AFTER Mean look is used.
Yeah I remembered that as a kid. Spent a while training up a Mean Look Haunter that was quick enough to go first in battle, and then...Roar.
I think a character in the anime tried that exact strat but Entei just used Roar and fled.
@@johnmartinez7440lol I remember I happened to have a pokemon with mean look and was so passed about roar. Never could figure out the trick.
@@PerfectAzraelYou remember exactly. All it did was redouble their resolve to catch it because they knew what would happen next time.
I had a Haunter that had Hypnosis and relied on that with Mean Look.
While I never enjoyed roaming legendaries much, I can appreciate when the game incentivizes you to strategize more. I remember as a kid after a few failed capture attempts of Suicune in FR, I then prepared by capturing a Wobbufett, which I would've never used otherwise at the time, but realized it's ability could help.
But on another playthrough when I tried for my favorite of the trio, Raikou I had no idea of the glitch after I got roared out and saved my game, only to see the "Area Unkonwn". I had no idea what I did wrong, if maybe you only get a certain number of chances, etc. Man I was salty after all that work beating the game for that to happen lol.
It's something I miss from older Pokemon games...there's still stuff like Damp which stops (shiny) Pokemon from self-destructing, but I miss Sweetscent for auto-starting battles...and how it would force start horde battles in X and Y and ORAS.
I am amazed that a legendary using one of its normal moves causes it to permanently despawn itself. Where was the QA control? lol
it's no wonder why I hate roaming pokemon and cause you only get one damn master ball it makes them even more annoying as hell
Imagine getting that shiny legendary with bad IVs
Imagine getting a shiny beast, having it roar, and realizing you lost it
@@phyllojoe5346at least in that case, as long as you don't save, you can just reset and you know that your beast will always be shiny when you encounter it again.
@@every116your last save: right after beating brock 💀💀💀
@@Leo-nm1nethe thing is when you beat the champion it autosaves after the HoF
@@Leo-nm1neLiterally impossible.
The game forcefully saves when beating the Pokémon League.
Considering that the Lati twins are such great Pokémon in so many respects, it’s a shame that Ruby/Sapphire did them dirty in terms of IVs.
How so it's always random right
@@danf7411nope. It’s something like 3ivs are random and the rest are always 0
@@danf7411 The video literally goes over this:
- A Pokemon's Individual Values are stored within their data as a 32-bit integer value, in which only the first 30 bits of the value are used. 5 bits are used to store the Individual Value for each stat, which gives them their limit of 0-31.
- The data for the roaming Latias/Latios/Entei/Raikou/Suicune is generated upon having their event flags triggered, to try and ensure you're fighting the exact same one each time you encounter them. The generation and storing of this data within the cartridge's SRAM, by itself, runs without issue.
- Due to a programming oversight however, when you actually manage to successfully capture your roaming Pokemon, the game incorrectly copies the Individual Values within this stored data onto your newly-captured Pokemon -- it only copies the first byte (8 bits) of the value, leaving the remaining three bytes (24 bits) of it as zero.
- As a result of the above, and due to the exact order the bits are interpreted as, this error effectively locks their Speed, Special Defense, Special Attack and Defense IVs to 0 and caps the Attack IV at 7. Only the HP IV ends up being copied in full. The only way of circumventing this error without patching the game itself is via external modifications to the save data to write new Individual Values to the Pokemon.
- This error is only present within _Ruby, Sapphire, FireRed,_ and _LeafGreen._ It was fixed with the release of _Emerald._
@@danf7411 Did you not watch the video?
probably not, you'd be surprised how many people comment on videos without watching it.@@dusklunistheumbreon
Here from Chugga’s video, congrats on the shout out and great video on your end as well, thanks for both of you for the information.
Wow, had no idea Raikou and Entei were glitched if you weren't prepared for them. And also never knew they all had nerfed stats. This is sad, but honestly Suicune still felt extremely good regardless, but I wonder how competitive players dealt with this issue back in the day.
By playing Colosseum
Competitive didnt exist until Gen 4 buddy.
That's wrong. Ev training and IV RNG manipulation/breeding was used a bunch for official Pokemon tournaments in gen 3.
@@SnowboardinNinja What official Pokemon tournaments were being run during that time? Also, did they even have the tools to RNG manipulate in the early 2000s?
Using my Latios from Ruby in Battle Frontier was frustrating to say the least. I didn't bother resetting emerald until I got a good one thinking that I could always use Ruby to get a good one. Luckily with the beasts, you can purify them right away with the time flute to check their nature (although not having the master ball to catch them is kinda tough)
Maybe this is the reason why the legend cats were added to Pokémon Colosseum.
Oh, this explains why, when I transferred my old Sapphire Latias to Gen 7, it had awful IVs. I thought me as a child I just had terrible luck!
Here from the Chuggaaconroy video! I love learning and listening to how games work under the hood. :D
Here from Chuggaaconroy. I can imagine the pain someone had to deal with that. Thank God roaming legendaries are cut
It’s So Strange To Me That There’s An Unused Generation 3 Soundfont Version Of The Legendary Beast Battle Theme In Ruby & Sapphire, Yet It Wasn’t Used For Them In FireRed & LeafGreen.
Thanks, when you said that IVs were stored in 30 bits I got that 'ooooh that's why' moment.
Ah, I wish you mentioned the Latias and Latios glitch in Emerald that makes you able to catch trainers pokemon if you knock out Lati@s. This has been done to shiny hunt in the battle tower.
This is awesome, I remember catching Latios FINALLY only for it to be kinda mid as a Pokémon. You should Link this video in the comments of your short on the 3 dogs! Or in general maybe putting out the long form video first then your short(s) on a similar topic, linking back to the long form. It could result in even more traction! Love your stuff man
I remember I was at my sisters soccer game as a kid when I first encountered Raikou in FireRed. I kept tracking it, trying to ultimately catch it; until it used Roar. I checked the PokeDex and saw Area Unknown. I panicked and luckily turned off my game without saving. However, it wouldn’t be until my senior year of college twelve years later when I would ultimately find Raikou again and catch it. Shame it had bad stats.
I suspect this happened by it using an 8-bit copy instruction rather than a 32-bit copy instruction
On the note of catching legendaries theres one spot where two routes are together and you simply have to move one space to the side to change routes. I used that to my advantage since they change places whenever you change routes. Made catching them super fast. Probably had them all within an hour or maybe two.
God forbid strategizing 😮. I swear, every other comment is stupid.
@@JayceCH. Work smart not hard....I noticed that way back in the 90s. On the map there were two routes next to each other with no town or otherwise breaking them up. Found the border between both. Checked map saw the icone...moved once I saw them change. I knew then and there this is where I'll hunt them. Took way less time to get these than the originals in Red/Blue...
A similar thing happened in gen 2 but never made it to cartridge. There was a cancelled event for the mythical Pokémon Sploink in which they used a unique calculation for your shiny odds based off of your trainer ID instead of the random chance. This made it functionally impossible to earn a shiny sploink from the event unless your trainer name was exactly "funnelkaek" however because this exceeded the maximum number of characters for your name, shiny Sploink would have been unobtainable.
WOW, this definitely warrants more research and a deep dive from me
you're so real for this
Uncancel shiney sploink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@SleepyJuno he's sploinking
@@SleepyJuno Can you blame droomish? With all the whacky jank in these games, this is 100% believable.
Was anyone else surprised when you put it to sleep and then was still able to run away?
Hi Mr Droomish,
I have a feeling that your channel is about to get a lot bigger very quickly. Your recent shorts were recommended to me, someone who has not watched Pokémon content in a good while. This lead me to your main vids and then subbing. If it happened to me then my guess is it's happening to loads of people. 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I cannot believe all those hours spent trying to track down Entei were utterly wasted. AUUUGH
Good thing I got my latios at southern island and my legendary beasts in Orre.
VIP coming through
@@droomish1 Southern island latios carried me through much of the battle frontier. Calm Mind + Recover on a pokemon bulkier than alakazam is very powerful.
Latios is so busted at the BF 😂😂
i was minding my business in some tall grass and then an entei bit me! i used my bug spray but now ive decimated the population entirely! how do i fix?
Use at least 5% Deet bug deterrent
I remember my sister trying to catch the 3 dogs and specifically prepared a Gengar with Mean Look and then it used Roar anyway.
For whatever reason, I couldn’t catch Latios in my Ruby file. Every time I would run into it, it’s HP was all the way down and my game would freeze when I’d throw a pokeball :(
0:34 And that's why people actually despise roaming legendaries. They're hard not only to track, but to do anything meaningful to them. Glad they stopped that trend in gen 5.
Learning about this was so vindicating! A year or two ago, I was playing through Pokemon UltraViolet (FireRed, but all 386 Pokemon of the time are obtainable with no tricks or trading), and found myself completely unable to find or even track Raikou in the Pokedex after my first encounter with him. I ended up having to hack the game and manually add Raikou as a spawn on Route 1, without ever knowing what had gone wrong. I don't remember specifically, but he must have used Roar on me and deleted himself. Thanks for the informative video!
I got all 3 by speed running the games during early covid lockdown. Transferred them over to emerald and they’re just cool to have, took me a total of 8hrs to get them all since I already had Entei in my childhood save file
This video got a shoutout from chuggaconroy!! Congrats mr sploink.
I really love roaming legendaries, the dopamine hit as a kid was unreal. It would have you geeked out for hours, recalling the encounter in your head over and over.
Then finally catching them is like a big sense of accomplishment. Like I can still imagine my hands shaking, dropping my gameboy on my bed.
But then they quickly became box Pokémon trophies. 😅 I was kinda disappointed but still happy I got a rare Pokémon but for them to be so weak. Like I always remember them being weak and was shocked that they are valuable competitively. Lol 😂
Thanks for the video, you scratched a long forgotten itch. 👌🏽
just want to say I appreciate the pacing of this video, espeically the intro. really hooked me in without any bs. so many youtubers can't get that right. I didn't have to 2x speed ur video is essentially what im saying XD
I feel bad for anyone that didn't know about the dup glitch back then. Was a complete stress saver after trying to catch the first couple the "right" way.
Great video, interesting information for sure, glad I didn’t lose Entei or Raikou to roar, anyways, keep it up!
God, no idea it was this bad! But when roaming legends work, it’s the funnest thing, like a little sidequest! I spent so many hours in HeartGold catching Raikou and Entei. Because the legendary beasts aren’t the strongest things, they don’t unbalance the game too much. (Save for that lvl curve-), and having legendaries join you adds to the immersion.
Latias and Latios GOTTA be the hardest mfs to catch , so annoying
Man I haven't thought about Gen 3 since I was 9 years old. Thanks for the Nostalgia blast
I was traded a Shiny Suicune from a friend over a decade ago that I still have today. I never knew until now how it could be so unlucky to have 5 stats at 0 (all but HP), but it now makes perfect sense. I never played FRLG myself so I never knew about this...
I remember getting a Raikou in either silver or crystal and it glitch when i deployed it in battle to show a bulbasaur sprite. It also showed the pokedex entry for bulbasaur as well.
Makes me glad I just immediately yeeted a Master Ball at Entei as soon as I found him when I was a kid lol
I remember I got in the habit of calculating the IV's of My Pokemon back in generation 3 when I was the teenager still have time to do that kind of thing. I immediately noticed that my Raikou and Latios had incorrect stats because they both had zeros for their flat for Ivy's which meant that that couldn't be a coincidence more than likely
I remember specifically Tornadus in pokemon Black being really annoying, and i was still a kid so i didn't think of trapinch or something to prevent fleeing and my grand strategy became find Tornadus, battle him and throw one quick ball before he flees, pray, repeat
I was familiar with the roar despawn glitch, but I didn't know about the garbage IV error.
Remember when I lost my Entai.. It roared and I decided to wait until later and saved... I later check my Pokedex for location and... oh no..
Shoutout to my friend Stan, who patiently entertained me over voicecall while I caught Entei in FireRed. Soooo many resets -Entei kept roaring. Eventually caught it and named it "Loud Boy".
Also please make that T Shirt, and if you do, make it with different configurations (entei, leafgreen etc.) I have a mighty need
Had no idea that the legendary dogs were even in fire red
It's crazy that they went to such lengths to patch the berry glitch but not to patch this.
And now I know why I could never find the fucking legendary dog... What a fucking horrible mechanic...
I am not proud of how long it took me to find Latios in Ruby 😞
The Pokemon Company cannot program for shyte, and then they wonder why people cheated to get the Pokemon they paid for.
We see the mistakes but not the ingenious compression algorithm used to fit all the sprites into Gens 1 and 2.
2:27 this patch of grass is memorable to me too, cause this is where I was tryna catch an Abra
I've gotten Suicune before. I remember getting it pretty quickly, but this roar glitch certainly explains the difficulty I've had finding the others.
I made the mistake of saving after the Entei used roar in my first run before realising it had already gone poof. I wasn't even able to use a master ball on it because one of my siblings had used it earlier on a random wild pokemon.
I bred an Umbreon for hunting the legendary dogs. Give him mean look, thunderwave ,baton pass, and moonlight.
Mean look counters Roar. Baton pass to something with a type advantage. Catch
Gen 3 roamers were such a mess. I don't dislike roamers in general but that generation is one of the iconic generations with roamers in it and it was horribly messed up
Another banger vid! Love that RUclips always put a new vid of yours at the top of front page 😂 They finally do something right!
It's funny how thanks to another oversight in Colosseum, the legendary beasts can be caught as shinies as all the Shadow Pokemon were meant to be shiny-locked. Otherwise, getting a shiny form of those three in Gen 3 with decent IVs would be impossible through legitmate means.
I don't think I ever encountered any of the Gen 3 roaming Legendaries, let alone caught them.
Fire red and leaf green got the shaft they could’ve atleast made the sprites move
RAHHHH!! Oversights In The Game's Code, my arch-nemesis! we meet again!
Being 9 and figuring out how to baton pass my mean look made this the second most “wow it’s Indiana Jones” legendary encounter moment for me in gen 3 under doing the regi brail puzzles myself as well.
It's hilarious to think that even unintentionally, Charizard received favoritism all the way back in Gen 3 by giving access to the only Beast without Roar.
Nowadays I save my master ball for these roaming Pokémon. If the game has multiple then first come, first served.
And later i trade more with myself.
Suddenly legendary music playing
*Shows footage of fire red leaf green which had no legendary music*
Id just go in and out of a route gateway until the pokemon moved back where I was already. Took a while to get it lined up but it got me lots of encounters.
Never knew about this problem, I always saved my Master Ball for Suicune.
If trolling were pokemon....
Very rare that I subscribe after only seeing one video but here we are. Great shit
The legendary dogs are in Fire Red and Leaf Green, i didn't know that.
Hey I ran into the roaming legendary for the first time in that same patch of grass lol. I remember it vividly because it completely freaked me out.
Not Gen 3, but I remember playing Pokémon Gold on my Gameboy Colour when I was like 10 years old. I put in over 200 hours and managed to catch Raikou, but never even saw Entei or Suicune.
I remember walking east from Mahogany town and I got into a random battle in the patch of grass in the middle of the route.
It was Entei, and the second I got into the battle my gameboy ran out of battery. To this day I’ve still never went back to Gen 2 out of pure hate for these ridiculous encounters.
me as a kid, *clones masterball 4 times. flys to top of map and runs down to starting location, runs into legendary. repeats process catches all 3 in 5 minutes.* never encountered any glitches
When I was a kid, Roar was my least favorite move because of this crap. Though, I had no idea about the IV thing, and I like to think I know a lot about Gen 3. Cool video!
hah, I wonder just how many kids encountered a g2 legend on that patch of grass in FRLG. LeafGreen was the first game I never reset, so that's also the only place I ever encountered Entei (in g3). I was specifically making my way to cerulean cave and ran out of repel like three steps from the shore, or something, idk it was 20y ago. I just know that I was surprised af to see a johto legend in my kanto game and the master ball I had intended to use on mewtwo instead got used for entei. who replaced the persian on my team. I... my young teams were more about heart than tactics. One time I ran through Sapphire with two Mightyena on my team because they were a mated pair in my head. xD
Of all the mechanics Game Freak never brought back, I think roaming legendaries was the only one the entire fanbase agreed on was a good thing.
As a kid, I never even knew these roamers were in the game.
The game never told you about it so its understandable
the coding for these legendaries is basically just an unfinished product where they were like "eh no one will ever notice anyways right?"
It's probably more likely that the devs never noticed since this is endgame content and the game doesn't directly tell you what IVs are
That IV copy bug seems like a typical mixup of pointer types. Instead of using an int pointer, to copy the whole buffer of 30 bits (actually 32, as this is an integer value), they accidentally refered to that bit of memory with a byte pointer instead, which only captures the first 8 bit. And since the GBA stores multi-byte values in little endian, this means the least-significant (right-most) bits come first, in full bytes. This explains why only the most right bits are copied over from that memory location, and not the left most bits instead.
That's also a very easy to fix thing, if you know it exists, you just change the pointer type. But this is a very funny oversight.
I believe Gen 3 were the first Pokemon games programmed in C so I shouldn't be too surprised a mistake or two slipped through the cracks. I don't have any proof of this, but knowing what I know about Game Boy, you were better off programming games for it using assembler back then.
I believe Gen 3 were the first Pokemon games programmed in C so I shouldn't be too surprised a mistake or two slipped through the cracks. I don't have any proof of this, but knowing what I know about Game Boy, you were better off programming games for it using assembler back then.
If nothing else, an easy-ish 0IV in Atk for Suicune, Raikou and Latie for lower confusion and etc damage is pretty alright. And maybe there's a very specific use for a 0IV Suicune on a trick room team? Maybe?
I remember transfering a Latios from Ruby to Sun (ithink) and being baffled how low his IVs were. Good to know I wasn't just severely unlucky.
The year was 2011. I was 10 & played Ruby on my GBA so many times i was bored. One day chilling at my friend's place i had a team of dark pokemon and was running on grass and encountered Latios. I was flannergasted & when i tried to catch it ofc it failed & ran away. Now since i 've never heard of the term roaming legendaries i was scared i could never catch it but my friend said maybe check the map. When i did i saw it's head on a city. So naturally i used fly and went to it's location but then it's gone to another , so naturally I like the oblivious kid who spammed A while catching every fella i flew around the entire region (while this was happening the battery was red) so i asked my friend to plug the charger quick while i was chasing it. So while i got caught up with trying to catch it i finally encountered a 2nd time & trapped it with mean look this time. Finally I had done some damage to it and I had caught it. But then , the goddamn gameboy went off. Me & my friend both screamed in panic wondering if I saved. But alas my dumbass hadn't saved it & i never touched the game again thinking i could never meet it.
Just now finding out i managed to always avoid the terrible roaming stats by always using collosseum and the eon ticket for these guys
Huh, never actually knew that about the stats of Gen3 roamers. I still have my original Latias kicking about in Home, and just assumed it was terrible because of RNG. Who knew! (well, clearly some people, but not me lmao)
There is a way you can try to avoid the Roar bug in _FRLG._ All you need is a Vulpix/Ninetales with Mean Look, Imprison, and Roar. Use Mean Look on turn one then Imprison on turn two. Now the Legendary Beasts can’t run and can’t use Roar either. Just hope that they don’t use Roar on either of the first two turns.
And sorry but it’s pronounced “Rai-oh.”
Fire Red and Leaf Green are great games simply for being (mostly) non-broken renditions of the original adventure compared to JP Blue/Red/Blue/Yellow and especially whatever the unofficially called "Gen 0"-games were, but the roamers are sure a feature of all time.
It's always a pleasure watching your videos!
I would always wiggle between 2 different routes on a bike (or surf) till the roaming legendary i was after was in the same zone as me. Made catching them a lot easier.
i don't know how i feel about hearing that a legendary with bad IVs is "terrible" it'll still outclass a lot of pokémon lol